it got 59% winrate and 5/8 top8 with 25% presence, not even Hogaak did that

This was suppose to be a showcase of the new cards to sell the new set but all the cards became irrelevant being eclipsed by the bird. Never let middle managers design the set. They hate the game and dont play.

All I know is that the Rhystic Studies video on the bird is going to go HARD

Bird needs a ban. Whoever got to design ALL the things it has should have their design card taken away. Unboltable at 4 toughness (especially with Fury banned for the greater good)? There is no "major" limit to triggers since it can be bounced for a reset? Triggers aren't draws? Triggers off ALL targeting not just opponents (which is more reasonable)? 3 mana cost? Also, not as important but still silly, they gave it flying. Yeah. Seems balanced on the surface. No one HAD to break that card before launch. Sleeper card for sure.

Yes, Nadu should be banned. As Saffron Olive on Mtggoldfish pointed out. Nadu had a more dominant performance than Hogaak in its first Pro Tour performance, which got Bridge from Below banned. Taking into account that if they ban Shuko. There are other enablers that can enable the combo. Plus, as pointed out, the combo is non-deterministic and can be overly complicated to track. Those things alone have gotten cards banned.

not based on the win but based on how the tournament turned out

It's interesting to note that, while Bant Nadu went 50/50 against Jeskai Control, which looks like a strong showing for the control deck, 4-Color Nadu *crushed* Jeskai Control. It would be interesting to break down how the differences in those deck lists have such a strong impact, and ponder from that why 4-Color wasn't assumed to be the better version going Into this tournament.

A-well, everybody's heard about the bird B-b-b-bird, bird, bird - b-bird's the word A-well, a-bird, bird, bird, - well, a-bird is the word

From watching the games there's two things that stood out to me about Nadu 1. The game play of a Nadu deck going off is horrible to watch and experience. It's not fun, it's not interesting, but it's non-deterministic enough the opponent shouldn't auto concede. 2. It's not a pure combo deck. A "fizzle" of the combo still leaves the Nadu player with an extremely dominating, probably winning, board state. It's extreme value and advantage even when it doesn't immediately win.

This is what Magic looks like when design's first goal is to avoid feels-bad moments for Timmy.

This is what happens when they design for commander in every product they make. Either they just thought it'd make a cool commander that people would get excited over or they're completely ignorant to their own design. Probably both.

The thing thats so hard about magic is when they fuck up like this, it's not like a video game where they can quickly tweak it to be once per turn or have lands come in tapped. The only way they can change it is by banning it which feels so bad when you design a card. Granted, I agree that the card was poorly designed, but having the extremes be either have the card stay the same and legal or completely ban the card feels so bad. I don't see there being a way to reword the card or change it anymore either. The only times they've done that was for old card and reprints and mostly just for clarification, not to change something completely

the solution to the problem would be to errata the text on nadu, making it only able to do its ability twice per turn ( not per creature but for the turn). similar to what they did to the companion mechanic.

I wish you hadn't said, "Wizards shouldn't have made Nadu say 'Only twice a turn', it should have only been 'Only once...'" Unfortunately, that's the exact - and wrong - lesson Wizards is going to learn from this card, too. That's surface level thinking. Since Wizards' introduction of the "Only once per turn" limitation (something I hated at first, but has ultimately resulted in less random "Oops I went infinite" designs, which is all around a good thing), each card has either had uncapped triggers or has been limited to a once a turn trigger, with no in between. "Only X times" is a fantastic knob to turn to tweak the power level of cards, and they should do it more often, not less. It's the equivalent of how they realized Lightning Bolt (R) was too good, but Shock (R) was too weak, yet increasing the cost of Lightning Bolt by a colorless to create Lightning Strike (1R) was the perfect middle ground for the Standard environment. "Only twice" is a great idea. That's not the problem with Nadu. I hope they don't shelf it. However. Nadu IS culmination of multiple years of idiotic power creep. The design is straight up clown shoes. Any one of the following changes would have made the card fair: 1.) Consider the power and toughness. This card is a 3/4 for 3 with flying. That is absurd. With it's effect, if it was a 2/1, it would still be broken. At least make it die to damage based removal. 2.) The ability might say "Twice a turn", but it isn't actually, since it does it for each creature. It should have only worked twice IN TOTAL a turn. This would be the new text: "Whenever a creature you control becomes the target of a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability only triggers twice each turn." Note I've omitted "Each creature you control has" from the text box. Wow, they might even has space for flavor text, which could explain where this OP-ass bird was during the Amonkhet block in the first place. 3.) The ability could have been gated behind a mana cost, since Simic is supposed to the the color of endless ramp, and it would have given them a mana sink. This would be the new text: "Creatures you control have 'Whenever this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, YOU MAY PAY (1) AND reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land card, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability triggers only twice each turn." Stop making things free, Wizards. You suck. 4.) The ability could have put the lands into play tapped, like every other damned ramp card has understood since the dawn of time. Extra.) Also, an observation of sorts. Why does this card literally secretly give all of it's owner's creatures a one-sided Ward tax that let's them get a two for one for nothing? Why do I have to let you draw a card when I kill your Nadu? Suppose I manage to kill it, you get to can trip for MY efforts?

Maybe they can errata the bird to say the ability happens twice per turn PERIOD. Not twice per turn on each creature.

Not testing your set for Modern is gonna end up wrecking the format who woulda guessed?

The really surprising part is everyone knew nadu would be the deck to beat and it still had 4/4 representation in the top 4. That’s insane

There is no more individuality in the pro tour any more it feels like. Just pros using the best decks instead of using decks that kinda represent them or their respective strengths. I know it’s cheesy but we had pillars who were known for using infect, or burn or affinity or etc. MTG feels like it’s going away from the core of the spirit of the game and it’s diving into step two ships battling in the night.

I'm super happy and proud of Simon who I've known since he was a young man just starting out on his MTG journey. Played against him several times at FNMs and he always handed me my backside! I guess there was a very good reason for that. Should Nadu be banned? Yeah, maybe, unless a catch-all answer comes along to stop it.

Wizards will want more data.

Yes. And for good measure hit the Ring and Necro too. You just know Mono B is going to go nuts as soon as the bird goes.

think about how Bant is "brokers". evil money types wanted this... sad what has happened to the game. think about how much Theros duals and filter lands have been printed... they want to devalue when packs were a decent price "old stuff" and have new sealed product be "worth something" its awful...its why collector boosters and commander precons are the same price basically others have said what's more worth your dollar but few see what these people are doing

Are there any cards that shut it down? Do they expect people to run dress down as “removal” or final showdown maybe? I can’t think of other effective ways to stop something immune to bolt. Maybe wizards wants new types removal used in the format

Wizzards probably will try banning the "enablers" even tho anything that targets ia a potential combo The real solution is never again developing a 3 mana simic card that has anything to do with ramp, card draw or elks

Yes Nadu absolutely NEEDS a ban. Playing more removal won’t stop it from triggering when targeted, I feel that having it around just stifles other decks from seeing play since it is just so effective, I think that the only thing that will result of “letting the meta develop” as people say will just give Nadu decks more time to develop and also find their own answers. Wotc probably won’t ban the bird right away but they really should.

Nadu. Grief. One Ring. Get them out. WOTC, please do not make the bridge from below mistake. Get rid of the freaking bird.

Sucks to be the one nadu player left out of T4 haha

Saw someone call it hot bird summer 😂

Give me back Hogaak and Looting or ban the bird

Thoracle is old news and most of the decks didn't run it because it is unnecessary. You just blow up the lands and bounce any permanents with Otawara and Boseiju and keep doing it over and over with Evoking Endurance and stacking the triggers so Endurance goes into the graveyard and then is shuffled.

Can't wait for shuko to be banned instead

As feel bad as grief is… is it a necessary evil to keep combo decks in check?

Even the pro players think we should bant nadu

WOTC making that surprised Pikachu face lol

Lands entering tapped doesn’t balance it. It just becomes the better amulet deck

Tell us you didn't test that card without telling is you didnt test the card 😂

Better question. Why SHOULDN'T we ban the bird? This is not meant to be a leading question. I'd like to hear the argument against banning Nadu immediately

the drastic comparison of games played alone is worrisome. B A N N E D.

make it a 1 of in modern or a 2 of in modern and then ban it as a commander

I don't think it should be banned, I just think the metagame needs some adjusting

unban fury and violent outburst!!!

Is this Birdemic!? yes

Galvanic Blast the Bird!

You know its busted when you bolt the bird and the bird lives... and ramps a million

I mean the deck is called banned Nadu 😅

You have to ban other things in the deck first, just like Hogaak, right? I mean Hogaak is the MH1 version of Nadu afterall.

Congrats to him, He was lucky the control player was his teammate and knew on how counter his deck, and suncleanser carried so hard

That settles it. Gotta unban Hogaak

Yes. Moving on-

I'm extremely confused on why everyone is stuck on whether to ban or not. Why is no one talking about just making a simple errata, lands enter tapped. If needed, shuko could be banned as well. That would preserve a still strong card in a new archetype, while significantly lowering it's power. And I know someone is going to say, why ban shuko for nadus crimes? Because shuko sees zero play outside of nadu. No deck gets hurt by removing shuko accept nadu decks.

59% winrate 62.5% top 8 presence 100% top 4 and it won ya its ban worthy

Nah I wanna fight against Nadu, Blade of Miquella.

let the meta shift around it

Is in the f-ing name, ban nadu :v

Wizards would ban shuko first

Unban twin and like 10-15 other cards leave nadu. Let the format be degenerate. DRS artifact lands p fire shoal glimpse fury ponder twin jitte GSZ outburst

Easier to win when you cheat your own teammate out of the quarter-finals.

In fairness. At the end of the day, it’s a sorcery speed creature deck. Halfling prevents it from being countered but it being a sorcery speed deck (especially) on the turn it comes out it’s difficult to use (free) counter magic. I saw the deck list of the Jeskai control and it doesn’t seem all that impressive. 1 snap, 1 subtlety. A few spellsnare, etc. being weak to removal REALLY matters here. And well it’s modern. Dies to removal isn’t a great answer but dies to removal + sorcery speed wins. The cards strong no doubt, deserve a ban. Mehhhh

Birds 100% fine. What does need a ban however is that new ulimog. Im not taking arguments.

Just play suppression field

Nadu should have been banned before release. It was obviously way to broken.

If it should be banned it's shouldn't be just because it won, that's what Yugioh does

Should nadu be banned? probably.. Should we not cheat and play fairly, and also have judges available when having champion chip matches? probably!

Good that Splinter Twin is banned :)

Nadu.. 5/8 top 8! is less impressive than... Nadu 4/4 top 4!

B I R D S U M M E R

Nadu needs to banned from Modern, and probably Commander, too.

I want it banned in commander.

Yeah, we need to ban the bird.

Ban him lol

it is just too much. Should be banned

"DECKS ARE GOOD WE SHOULD BAN THEM." Gosh I hate the MTG community

BOLT the bird

He cheated to win. And yes. ban the bird.

Hes fine. Pro tour had a terrible representation of what the format really is.

Banning cards because they performed well in an event vs adjusting to new metas is why modern is a lame format.

I'm liking your video only to support you and your content, I do not agree with burning the bird just yet. Yes it is a menace but I think it needs to cause more damage first so wizards can sit back and really assess what the power creep has become over the past couple sets. Now I know the modern sets aren't your normal card set. A lot of cards in these are more powerful than what you would see in the main story, but I feel as though some of these cards are getting far too out of hand and creative needs to slow it down a bit before this game turns into Yu-Gi-Oh with consistent one to two turn win conditions.

This deck is strait up boring as hell to play against and the fact that i jyst cant scoop to it sucks on mtgo. I have no issue to scooping thing like yawgmoth but watching my opponent combo for 10 mins to nit win is awful. The only good part is shit talking my opponent and then just killing them and they are always like your just playing for time no bro you wasted 10 minutes to not even win your just like eggs and you wiffed and now your dead