Barad Dur vs Minas Tirith in Lords of Battle - MESBG Battle Report

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Now For Wrath Gaming

Now For Wrath Gaming

4 ай бұрын

The boys are back with a 1000 point big ol' Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game battle report! Minas Tirith with Gandalf, Boromir, and Hurin vs Barad Dur with Sauron and friends. The scenario is Lords of Battle.

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@thefinalseries
@thefinalseries 4 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth
@jmaccsarmiesofmiddleearth 4 ай бұрын
I love those black num proxies. What a game also
@DesmondDentresti
@DesmondDentresti 4 ай бұрын
As a barad-dur enjoyer, my thoughts are that you got defeated in list building with this scenario, which is pretty typical with Barad-dur but especially so when its Bannermir MT on the grind and Gandalf's spellcasting on support. Think you need more ranged and magic in your list for options to threaten Gandalf or kill models that sandbag Sauron at an inopportune time. I could talk about the Troll too, but we all know if we get into list building this is going to be even more of a wall of text and I'd probably just end up copying what I posted on a previous video but bigger. A Fell Beast Witch-King or a Siege bow probably go towards the extra points. Barad-dur doesnt really scale well outside of getting more spellcasting, more knock downs and more trash 6 point meat on the board to get in the way. Diving into this game specifically: 1a) I think the scenario heavily favours MT against Mordor forces. This is a grinding scenario and Orcs are worse at grinding than MT Warriors even at a baseline. Barad-dur has half the number of heroes nowhere near as much Might to throw around to get heroic combats off and win position against the enemy. Even if Sauron doesnt die, he is an infinite pool of potential Wounds for the enemy to try to gain victory points from. 1b) Barad-dur really only has any kind of advantage in split objective and 'VIP' scenarios where you can snipe the VIP and force Sauron to be or at least bodyguard your VIP. In VIP scenarios you can force literally every model you have to die in service before your opponent can get to the VIP. 1c) In scenarios with split objectives, being able to deploy a mobile warband first and then Sauron far away can give you a chance to ditch half of the enemy warriors if they deploy opposite your cavalry - this tactic of doubling back with a warband turns into an uncontested objective (and still having the risk Sauron wining his 1v20 and getting larger hurls into tightly grouped enemies on the other side of the board) if the enemy doesnt position to respect it. 2) Even outside of split objectives, centre charging a battle line with Sauron is bait. I like the Compel into Hurl, thats basically your bread and butter after the cheap shots with Chill Soul are done. But you always want him on one side of the line because you want to limit the choice of enemy models to charge him and ideally only ever want to be fighting in one direction with a hurl or a heroic combat. If you kill the three models on the left, you get to walk closer to the right. If you kill three in the centre, any model from the left or right can try to tie him up and now he can only hurl through one model. Once the enemy has surrounded him, you are basically at the whims of Priority and Heroic Moves to decide if you get to fight where you want any more. So finding ways to press the enemy into a traditional battle line and limit their movement is to your benefit, sometimes even to the point you want to reroll to lose a combat with an orc so that the enemy do not shift back and rotate cleanly to block your cavalry or Sauron. 3) If magic resistance isnt on the enemy, you would want to sit back with Sauron and Chill Soul the heroes but when it is, you just have to try to get your hands dirty in melee. You still want to try to get your spells off consistently by staying around the edges of fights unless you see a really juicy dive opportunity though like if you could get a single model duel with a Hurl and charge into a prone hero. You just have to wait for that combo, and sometimes it never comes, which is why the above scenarios are so vital to exploit. 4) Your easiest target was the Bolt Thrower Veteran. You probably should have B-lined it to him with your cavalry and gone for the free Might point on your Marshal and tried for a heroic long bomb Lance charge off into Gandalf if he was on that side of the board you have to assassinate him or its just over. Most heroes tend to rotate away from Sauron when you pick a side of the fight, so you want to trick Gandalf to rotate towards where your lances are going to Heroic Combat off of. If you get EXTREMELY lucky, you take out Shadowfax before the lances hit and have him knocked down on the end of a lance... In reality, you probably get read, the Gandalf avoids any Hurls, only has to spend his Fate and survives the charge, so your Marshal likely rides to a glorious death at the hands of Glamdring or gets mobbed afterwards if he is lucky to survive. It is a chance to get rid of a huge problem piece so you have to take it, even if you utterly flub and die, your chances only go from like a 2/10 to a 1/10 vs potentially going from a 2 to a 6/10 of getting to do some real damage if the Istari is gone. BTW, I hope this isnt the last we see of Sauron on the channel. Maybe in a month, two, three we get a good showing for the big man.
@czarvak9186
@czarvak9186 4 ай бұрын
Excellent something to have on while I pack for adepticon!
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
Love that Andrew left my hobbit impression in- complete with my belly hangin' out. Gotta lay off second breakfast. -S @44:07
@captainofnumenor8221
@captainofnumenor8221 4 ай бұрын
Haha I like it, adds a nice hobbity charm to the video . Cheers
@donluca4507
@donluca4507 4 ай бұрын
Came trough facebook. Keep going👍
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@thefinalseries
@thefinalseries 4 ай бұрын
Sauron has 4 attacks too btw, you were only rolling 3..
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
Yuuuuuuup lesson learned! -S
@Jewus19
@Jewus19 28 күн бұрын
No need for a shaman while using black nums as Frontline. Bring a secondary transfix instead.
@ArronSmart
@ArronSmart 4 ай бұрын
Cant you still do the 2+ ring saves from banisment wounds?
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
That's only for wounds that would have killed him.
@Jewus19
@Jewus19 28 күн бұрын
-Troll +20orcs
@pc1491
@pc1491 4 ай бұрын
Collecting the 500 subscriber award 😂
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
Woooo!! Thank you!!
@panosgiannopoulos5279
@panosgiannopoulos5279 4 ай бұрын
Well Sauron is 4 attacks so it can have a huge impact on the dice rolls
@DesmondDentresti
@DesmondDentresti 4 ай бұрын
Four is indeed better than three. Though if Sauron had killed literally everything he duelled this game, it still wouldnt have really mattered. This scenario ends the same way every time. Barad-dur cant out grind Gondor with Bannermir and Sauron cant pressure heroes with Gandalf on the board unless there is a combination of terrible positioning and some lucky magic rolls.
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
@@DesmondDentresti I clearly have not run Sauron enough! Totally didn't even realize he was 4 attacks; though not super confident it would have made a big difference here. Still- makes him a tiny bit better :)
@czarvak9186
@czarvak9186 4 ай бұрын
WHERE IS MY WELL!
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
hahaha oh man! Sorry! -S
@craig3111
@craig3111 4 ай бұрын
Always bring swift reload!
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
This is a spicy debate in our game group. I almost never take it and still love the bolt thrower. 20 points is a lot! -S
@Tsunamiash80
@Tsunamiash80 4 ай бұрын
@@NowForWrathGaming rather take 2 and forget swift reload!
@muesliman100
@muesliman100 4 ай бұрын
Point per shot it isn't worth it, and you don't get any more models on the field either.
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
@@Tsunamiash80I 100% agree with that. -S
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 4 ай бұрын
@@muesliman100 yup!
@sebastiencarrieres8825
@sebastiencarrieres8825 5 күн бұрын
Next time, tell your sick to go home and do the video, geeze! 😂
@NowForWrathGaming
@NowForWrathGaming 5 күн бұрын
We're tryin over here! haha
@Thescotlandman
@Thescotlandman 4 ай бұрын
Yeah Sauron is worth 400 because he has 4 attacks and chill souls.. can basically take off 5 dudes a turn when capable
@DesmondDentresti
@DesmondDentresti 4 ай бұрын
It is almost impossible to charge more than two models and that Chill Soul is a 50/50 unless you expend a resource to make it more likely. If you charge two warrior models with shields, there is only about a 50% chance Sauron rolls a 6 to win the duel against an equal number of defender dice, so it isnt uncommon he doesn't kill anything in melee. Charging a single warrior and using the Hurl brutal power attack will make you more likely to win your duels and is almost always going to threaten more models.
@jostme12
@jostme12 4 ай бұрын
@@DesmondDentresti If Sauron is fighting equal or more dice he is very easily able to do much more damage than a normal hurl will. Unless you are hurling through most or all of an enemy battleline there are a lot of situations where the hurl doesn't do much. Anything less than D7 you are wounding on 3's in normal combat so should be getting about 3 kills per combat against most armies. Put a banner next to Sauron and all the sudden those models are losing very consistently. Against D6 a hurl only wounds on 6's. So if you hit 10 models with the hurl you are lucky to get more than a couple wounds out of it. Unless you are hitting a key model with the hurl to impact a mount or banner or setting up a bunch of prone fights for your other models to win(which they have to still win the fight) Sauron is going to typically get more done by just taking the fights against four dice and typically killing 3 of them and leaving a hole in their battleline. With priority (or a move from Sauron) the next turn you can bust through the line potentially compel a key model into Sauron and start trapping the battleline. This leads to perpetual double dice instead of a turn of them from a hurl. Obviously there are situations where you want to use hurl as it can just do this really nothing else can. However, if your goal is to actually reduce enemy numbers effectively then attacking is typically better. Also, against a good and aware opponent they may never give you great hurl lines nullifying it even further.
@DesmondDentresti
@DesmondDentresti 4 ай бұрын
@jostme12 I wish I played the same game with the same Sauron that you did. But equal dice is fewer than three models and that's only a valid charge if the enemy just 3 on 1 charged (but didn't trap) and then won a duel against a cavalry model. It simply doesn't happen. You as Sauron get to charge 1 or 2 models, and you want to get optimal angles so you can hurl that model through 5 or more enemies. You are highly likely to win the duel, unseat cavalry and kill more than the two models you would have charged.
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