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Barbara Branden on the Passion of Ayn Rand

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Arguably, no two people were closer to Ayn Rand than Barbara and Nathaniel Branden, whom Rand once named as her "intellectual heir." Indeed, when the Brandens married in 1953, the author served as bridesmaid (Rand had also urged the pair to wed).
A decade later, the Brandens would collaborate on the first biography of Rand, Who Is Ayn Rand? In 1986, Barbara published a second biography, The Passion of Ayn Rand, which eventually was made into an award-winning Showtime movie starring Helen Mirren.
Despite the ruinous and controversial romantic affair between Rand and Nathaniel Branden and her eventual ouster from Rand's inner circle, Barbara still feels fondly for the author of The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. As Branden, now 80, recalls in this Reason.tv interview, "I felt like she's answering questions that I've been looking for answers for, and nobody's been giving me any sort of answer until now."
Approximately seven minutes. Interview by Seth Goldin, camera by Alex Manning, and editing by Hawk Jensen.
This is part of the Reason.tv series Radicals For Capitalism: Celebrating the Ideas of Ayn Rand.
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@legendre007
@legendre007 15 жыл бұрын
I love Ayn Rand's books. When I'm feeling down, I can pick up "The Fountainhead" and get absorbed in its beautiful sense of life. And every time I read "Atlas Shrugged," I get something new out of it - it's like a new experience every time.
@pedrozaragoza2253
@pedrozaragoza2253 6 жыл бұрын
Ayn Rands philosophy is profound and simple, that’s how you know something is brilliant. She believes people are free and that they should be able to live as they choose. Furthermore, she strongly believes that one persons beliefs should never be imposed upon another. How can anyone disagree with her? She’s a little understood genius.
@betiona1507
@betiona1507 4 жыл бұрын
There have been thousands of atheists like her, what's so extraordinary? And who can be against personal decisions?
@szililolabu
@szililolabu 4 жыл бұрын
@@betiona1507 perhaps the fact she reached millions. not everyone gets their ideas across to others so well.
@betiona1507
@betiona1507 4 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, thats true!
@dawrightleo13
@dawrightleo13 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@betiona1507
@betiona1507 3 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Bennett You don't know anything about me, you can't judge by a comment. I have studied a lot Rand and objectivism, but obviously I am not a fanatic, I study philosophy in general, characters like Diogenes, Shopenhauer, or Nietzsche
@erpollock
@erpollock 4 жыл бұрын
Barbara Branden has given a perceptive view of Ayn Rand. I especially was impressed with her identification of John Galt as Ayn Rand herself. That was insightful. Ayn Rand was fortunate in her choice of confidant, in Barbara Branden. She was empathetic and truly a great friend of the great writer.
@CaptainStottlemeier
@CaptainStottlemeier Жыл бұрын
She most certainly was a rare bird. Had that cold Russian exterior that is almost impossible to take to her yet felt compelled to listen to her and her well different views on life. We will never know if she was right or wrong since we have never lived by what she states as the way to live our lives. Hard to imagine she could even love someone but yet she did. Whether you agree with her or not you have to admire her for the work she created and where it took her. She created something, can't say that for most of yall. 🌻
@seanduchinsky2632
@seanduchinsky2632 9 жыл бұрын
it has been written in several sources that rand died of the effects of lung cancer and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, brought on by years of smoking cigarettes. an anecdote about this is that rand thought the statistics surrounding the correlation medical science makes between cigarette smoking and disease were bogus, until she saw the picture of her chest x ray indicating a large lung mass. at that time she was unflinchingly remonstrated by her doctor. it is said she never smoked again.
@kirsteni.russell5903
@kirsteni.russell5903 6 жыл бұрын
I read that story too. At least she did believe the picture of a chest x-ray indicating a large lung mass was a picture of HER chest x-ray. She wouldn't accept the statistics that medical science had already published, which is a shame, because that could have convinced her to quit smoking much earlier. But maybe being "unflinchingly remonstrated by her doctor" helped convince her, because few people could win an argument with her.
@GetToDaChoppa-k5r
@GetToDaChoppa-k5r 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad she's dead.
@stefanburns3797
@stefanburns3797 4 жыл бұрын
no hassle she was already old, man. You still have to deal with her ideas whether she be live or dead. Good luck
@AlexAndra-jh6hv
@AlexAndra-jh6hv 9 ай бұрын
Smoking was "fire tamed at man's fingertips" according to Rand. When she was diagnosed, people close to her urged her to warn her disciples and fans that smoking really did cause cancer, but she refused. Now, THAT's selfishness. Living the dream.
@EyeLean5280
@EyeLean5280 9 жыл бұрын
I am very skeptical about people who never, ever doubt themselves. There is no way such a person can be correct about their own perfection.
@soapbxprod
@soapbxprod 8 жыл бұрын
You're a collectivist. Who hides behind a pseudonym. Who are you and what have you created of any benefit to anyone else? I await your reply. Google my NAME. Luke Sacher (Grandson of Harry Sacher)
@EyeLean5280
@EyeLean5280 8 жыл бұрын
I'm not "hiding" behind anything. My KZfaq handle is my name plus my childhood phone number. Anybody who knows me in real life will instantly recognize me here. I helped create and help run a private school in which students can study what they want, instead of what the state forces them to. They and their families tell me they benefit from this. I looked you up, but since I'm from New York City myself where, as you know, geniuses are a dime a dozen, it takes a bit more than just being in television to impress me. My first boyfriend was in television. My husband started out in television. My best friend also did free-lance work for Frontline.
@soapbxprod
@soapbxprod 8 жыл бұрын
I think that you're lying. What is the name of your school? Where is it located? All private schools must be registered, licensed and accredited.
@soapbxprod
@soapbxprod 8 жыл бұрын
Geniuses are not a dime a dozen anywhere- especially in New York City. As for "being in television", not many who are get nommed for Primetime Emmys or win DuPont Silver Batons. Your best friend worked freelance for Frontline, huh? Not possible. Maybe for a company like mine which held a production contract with WGBH, but inside Frontline, it's a closed shop of salaried employees.
@EyeLean5280
@EyeLean5280 8 жыл бұрын
***** Well, seems I'm mistaken about the freelance part. It was awhile ago and he did different stuff at different times. I hadn't known him yet back then. And yes, geniuses are indeed everywhere in New York City, which is what I meant. Now I'm in the Princeton area, so, same difference. I know plenty of super-smart, super-talented people. I can take my pick among them for friends. All that aside, I'm afraid your award nomination doesn't impress me much, considering your general behavior. I went to college on award money I got working at a bank (I actually won my award, wasn't just nominated) and I manage to refrain from attacking strangers on the internet out of the blue. Awards and nominations for awards don't give anyone license to behave the way you do and they're not weapons to bludgeon people with.
@barbfrmsf
@barbfrmsf 10 жыл бұрын
May she rest in peace Thanks for sharing your talent with us
@EarthSurferUSA
@EarthSurferUSA 2 жыл бұрын
If you actually read some of her non-fiction, and like her philosophy,---what she did for you was allow you to "validate" your own mind. I found she thought a lot like I did, but she gave me detail to the core of philosophy, filling the troughs of my ignorance between the peaks of my knowledge,--to a almost perfect fit on the torn edges. Today, "I Know", and that is the road to your personal greatness. Those who preach against her,---don't want you to do that.
@mr.giraffe7076
@mr.giraffe7076 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I believe Rand saw the sheer arrogance of the communists and the incredible meekness of the advocates for free markets. She wanted to build up our confidence, knowledge, and understanding of our convictions. While I am not a laissez faire capitalist, I think we needed someone to help us understand our desire for liberty and those that seek to destroy it.
@noneofyourbusiness47
@noneofyourbusiness47 12 жыл бұрын
If you have read her NON fiction work, you have already met her. This will never die.
@karend99143
@karend99143 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I would Loved to have seen some of those discussions & arguments between these two women!
@MadMax-dr6mf
@MadMax-dr6mf 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting, Barbara Branden. I read Passion years ago, and although her love and admiration for Ayn Rand is obvious, there's also a slight resentment, possibly unknown even to herself. It's almost a mother - daughter relationship. She was Branden's girlfriend/fiance when they met the author. It was Rand who encouraged them to marry. It was Rand who had the affair with her husband and had the gall to announce the fact to her and Frank O'Connor, Rand's own husband. Barbara 's descriptions of meetings of the Collective were especially cringeworthy, with Nate denouncing someone's choice of career and Rand clapping ecstatically, all the time, and known only by the cuckolded spouses, they carried on their unsavoury affair. Don't get me wrong here: for her ideas and her work I loved Ayn Rand. But her personal life was fucked up, and led to the destruction of NBI in 1968.
@-RandomBiz-
@-RandomBiz- 4 жыл бұрын
If there was ever a better reason for cancel culture...
@-RandomBiz-
@-RandomBiz- 3 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Bennett Ayn Rand is a mongrel for what she did to that marriage. Her objectivism, as she calls it, is a complete sham. It is only a desire for bolstering your political view, or rather inability to see a different view, do you defend her. Maybe you should see if Paul Ryan has any other books for you to follow like an athiest bible.
@-RandomBiz-
@-RandomBiz- 3 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Bennett Hahaha you so desperately want to sound smart but come off so triggered. Fail.
@-RandomBiz-
@-RandomBiz- 3 жыл бұрын
@Andrew Bennett God I'll bet the ladies are just lining up for this snooty aloof snobbery. That's the trouble with you Rand idiots. You just don't know when you're beaten.
@KPenceable
@KPenceable 3 жыл бұрын
@@-RandomBiz- so you're saying Rand's political view came first then she made objectivism to bolster it? I think objectivism is interesting, but there's no reason to be beholden to any philosophy in this life. Plus there are contradictions and weird things in her philosophy, such as induction and free will and assuming you can make generalizations about "man" etc.
@MichaelThomas1
@MichaelThomas1 14 жыл бұрын
"You had better stat recognizing people of ability, or else you're not going to have a world left."
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
@olga2415 Also she was correct about the pyschology of the collectivist. Her explaination of altruism, is extremely helpful, no one again will make you feel guilty about rejecting the altruist con game.
@mf91007
@mf91007 14 жыл бұрын
Objectivism/Atlas Shrugged is very comforting for me. Public school really tries to beat the shit out of your confidence and your ability, but I fought it and constantly trumped and stumped the fools who run the public education system. How pathetic of them to become intellectually bankrupted by a 13 year old! It got so bad that they just modified my schedule so I only had to go to school from 8 to 10:30, then I got bussed home so that I could teach myself using books and the internet. Pathetic.
@scottbaker4534
@scottbaker4534 6 жыл бұрын
I applaud your tenacity. Though I have a similar history of successfully fighting "the man" in the public youth warehousing and indoctrination system, it was born of an irrational, highly emotional reaction to authority in general, based on very personal circumstances, and could not be placed among my proudest accomplishments, based solely on my methods of achieving it. I'd like to know more about that which you describe as "Pathetic." at the end of your comment. You clearly need a good composition tutor, but if what you decry is their intellectual bankruptcy, I would challenge you if you say that you brought it about. That makes no sense. They either had been bankrupt and your actions revealed it, or something else happened. After all, you merely changed your own daily schedule, probably to no greater extent than relieving them of your challenge and your physical presence at school. A victory for them, I think, despite their bankruptcy. Not that I am proud of it, but my own actions changed policy FOREVER throughout the entire school district and my "actions" were to simply do...NOTHING. I forwent homework and concern over my grades for the rest of the year after getting straight "A"s in my first semester. The teachers, who knew of my intellectual abilities, were frustrated enough with my failing grades to "threaten" me with being held back, but I knew the regulation well. Once upon a time, one need only have a cumulative GPA of 1.0 or above in all core subjects to graduate. I earned that in my first quarter. I won't go into my reasons for doing what I did (or NOT doing what I did NOT do), aside from the motivation to "punish those in authority", but the notion that they could have simply bused me home for half the day would not have met my objective. As I matured, became far less angry with the intellectually bankrupt and felt more pity, I actually went into the teaching field myself. I ran into one of my teachers from that "victory" of mine a generation earlier and that horrid woman still held a grudge against me. I'll never forget how unprofessional she was in the lobby of the school as I came in to get the key to my classroom. "Oh my God!" She exclaimed in front of more than a dozen students, parents, and school personnel, "Please tell me YOU don't have a kid coming to this school! " She was not saying this with a smile, but a genuine look of horror, as this was her last year before a thoroughly undeserved retirement. "No, Diane." I said with a much more subdued demeanor. "I am joining the staff as your colleague. Nice to see you again, too." That failure of a human being once gave me an "F" on a spelling assignment because I followed the directions precisely as she had worded them. "Place all spelling words in a sentence." said the instructions. I underlined the instructions, doubly underlining the article "a", and proceeded to write ONE SENTENCE, using all ten spelling words, in a properly punctuated, grammatically-correct composition which, if it had mattered to a REAL English teacher, would have been seen to show an understanding of the meanings of each word in the sentence's context. Since Diane had been re-using the exact same dittoed assignment sheets for the 20 years she'd been faking her way through a teaching career, it was too much for her to merely glance at my work and see it for the superior effort it was. This was one of many such run-ins I had with her as a student. As a colleague, I left her crude and obnoxious greeting in the office to speak for itself and I didn't bother to tell her what a flunky SHE was, or have any other verbal contact with her individually. It would have done no one any good if I had
@adrianainespena5654
@adrianainespena5654 7 ай бұрын
I hope you have accomplishments to back your comptemptuous attitude.
@fredh3152
@fredh3152 8 ай бұрын
What about Patrecia Scott? Are there any interviews featuring her? She appears exceptionally attractive based on the one photo I came across online.
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
No gestet,I was'nt in the inner circle, just one of many 'students of objectivism' (that was what we were supposed to call ourselves, by our leader Ayn Rand(lol) The NBI (Nathaniel Brandon Institute) gave a number of courses,usually moderated by Nathaniel Brandon, at the Atlantic Sheraton. Many of the people who were close to Rand gave lectures. Any Rand always attended & had a Q &A session at the end of the first lecture. She was usually accompanied by Frank O'Connor, her husband.
@RobertBMenke
@RobertBMenke 13 жыл бұрын
@Bill4Banco I wish more people came here like you, that's what made America a great nation. Now we have immigration with the aspiration of welfare and entitlement.
@bcsizemore
@bcsizemore 13 жыл бұрын
The music in the background is from the game Braid.
@noneofyourbusiness47
@noneofyourbusiness47 12 жыл бұрын
I believe it was Rand who first pointed this out: why should the definition of "human" necessarily be "fallible"? That is a rather ugly definition of human nature. That attitude unjustly excuses a multitude of corrupt practices. It is human nature to overcome, not to fail.
@adrianainespena5654
@adrianainespena5654 7 ай бұрын
We are fallible because we need failure to learn something new. We are born ignorant and grow wiser with time. And learning comes from failure.
@kev3d
@kev3d 14 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the Ken Burns "Civil War" documentary soundtrack.
@adrianainespena5654
@adrianainespena5654 7 ай бұрын
Reading about the Brandens and Rand I come to the conclusion that Philosphy and Ideology do not grant common sense "Lo que natura no da, Salamanca no presta" "That which Nature does not give, Salamanca (famous university) does not lend"
@monicarao382
@monicarao382 5 жыл бұрын
My God , the music and her portrait in tiny black cubes the video starts with makes me for a moment live the passion of AR.... by the way , by god I meant Ayn Rand
@s0lid_sno0ks
@s0lid_sno0ks 4 жыл бұрын
I love what Ayn has shown me.
@latinaalma1947
@latinaalma1947 11 ай бұрын
We have gone a long way in not recognizing ability and America is FAR the worse for it. My forefathers settled Virginia and Maryland in the 1600s...they were Scots and English Loyalists to Charles I and fled for their lives when he was murdered...one an Ambassador to Spain,,another a former court chaplain to Charles I,,another a Scots laird desended from Robert the Bruce and later Scots royalty. The Great American experiment is now so bastardized they would never recognize the place. I myself dont recognize public life in America...it is a foreign land I did not grow up in... all the people I admired are dead....so I choose to live abroad a stranger in a strange land BUT I am surrounded by many of my cohorts who still share my same values. When we ALL are dead what will,nefore of America...just another once noble fallen civiliztion...I too had a dream and it wasnt what exists today. When character and competnecy no longer matter a society is doomed to extinction...
@noneofyourbusiness47
@noneofyourbusiness47 12 жыл бұрын
fntime, may I suggest that you not fail to read "Who Is Ayn Rand?" by Nathaniel and Barbara Branden. Do you only read gossip, or have you bothered to read Rand's nonfiction work?
@deborah3912
@deborah3912 11 ай бұрын
she sounded like a cult leader
@noneofyourbusiness47
@noneofyourbusiness47 12 жыл бұрын
Thank you. It was intended for you, gestet.
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
Philosopher, I hope my comment didn't seem like I was rebuking you. I was your age when I entered the world of Ayn Rand & Nathaniel Brandon....they had an extremely profound effect on my life, both good and bad. If you are interested in my slant on them and the pitfalls, please send my a note. Good luck, they are a good starting point.
@sgsmozart
@sgsmozart 2 жыл бұрын
She seems like a very lovely person.....
@nyneishabaratam3310
@nyneishabaratam3310 4 жыл бұрын
Deeply inspiring
@PanhandleFrank
@PanhandleFrank 9 ай бұрын
She called herself a rationalist. But there's nothing rational whatsoever about denying the existence of the very God who made you rational, in His own image.
@simontherockpeter2134
@simontherockpeter2134 6 жыл бұрын
What is strange, wrong in the manner she is speaking and answering the questions? There seems to be something absurd about it.
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
@paulk314 Curious? What's your point? Paul, you're probably a 'giant' in your personal life, BUT, most of us, are multi-faceted, how about you?
@sjohnson1216
@sjohnson1216 11 ай бұрын
"Stronger," eh? Hm.
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
@olga2415 I once attended a debate between Brandon and Albert Ellis, he represented the philosophy of the 'logical positivism'... it never took place because the 'objectivist contingent walked out, over some point I don't remember. Also, she is a wonderful writer, Atlas and Fountainhead, are brilliant & enjoyable.
@AlexAndra-jh6hv
@AlexAndra-jh6hv 9 ай бұрын
Branden hated to be challenged. He once ripped off his mike and stormed out of a TV Q&A because some student asked him a question he didn't like. Totally weird.
@fntime
@fntime 9 ай бұрын
@@AlexAndra-jh6hv Have YOU ever met Brandon? I think your statement is VERY untrue. Both Rand & especially Brandon were patient with those not familiar with their ideas. What's weird is your post. Does 'Greatness' repel You? Even the idea of Greatness is 'Kryptonite' for those lacking potential & envy those with it. Have YOU ever considered 'civil service'? You have the aptitude. :)
@AlexAndra-jh6hv
@AlexAndra-jh6hv 9 ай бұрын
@@fntime Yes, I've met Branden. I asked him afterwards why he had reacted so apparently irrationally to the question. He had no reply. Those who were deferential of course got patient explanations. What I said was "challenged".
@fntime
@fntime 9 ай бұрын
@@AlexAndra-jh6hv You are full of it (lol)
@AlexAndra-jh6hv
@AlexAndra-jh6hv 9 ай бұрын
@@fntime You have trouble accepting that others have more life experience than yourself?
@marcallen4532
@marcallen4532 Жыл бұрын
I loathe the music here.
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
Philosopher, you are very wrong. I attended many classes at NBI in the mid 1960's. Not knocking Peikoff, but he was a relative of N Brandon and was a bit younger. His contributions were minor, a few articles & lectures, similar to Alan Greenspan. Rand had not much of a relation with him, until the break between Brandon & Rand 1968. You are commenting about things that you have no first hand knowledge, as a young person, I would recommend you don't acquire book knowledge only.
@adrianodemelo
@adrianodemelo 9 жыл бұрын
Very touching! Thank you so much!
@nyneishabaratam3310
@nyneishabaratam3310 5 жыл бұрын
Nice presentation
@sanjaivkovic9126
@sanjaivkovic9126 5 ай бұрын
Ellitist got your self MANIFESTO. Good for you
@scottbaker4534
@scottbaker4534 6 жыл бұрын
No one who wishes to be taken seriously as a person of reason can discount the great contributions to the tradition of philosophy by Ayn Rand. If you agree with that statement, you have proven the value of collectivism and must burn your Ayn Rand Fan Club card immediately. Our brilliant sister, Ayn, had many more fears (phobias, as Barbara failed to properly name them) than mentioned in this clip. Her fear of personal poverty drove her pedestrian materialist ambition. Her fear of the Soviets drove her irrational generalizations about and denouncement of all forms of collectivism. Her fear of dogmatic hordes (such as the Soviets) fused with her other fears into a hatred of all religion, even those which value reason. Most of Ayn Rand's modern "followers" (a horde of dogmatists themselves I think she would disown) magnify the most obvious flaw in her personal philosophy, this being the phobic disdain for all things collectivist which negate her claim to true objectivism. You cannot claim to hold as a value the absolutist notion that no form of collectivism can benefit the individual and advance their well-being and potential of greatest self-realization. A social system that can balance the needs of the collective seamlessly with the rights of the individual is what Ayn Rand would probably be seeking had she lived to this day. Indeed, no form of collectivism makes any sense unless it meets the needs of each individual of the collective and the need for self-realization and achieving one's greatest potential lie chief among those needs. There is nothing inherently anti-self about collective concern for the well-being of one's own species, the other species with whom we share the biosphere, and the ecology that sustains us all. Had Ayn Rand survived to this day, I believe she would have reconciled her old phobias and worked to settle the fallacy of this long-standing false dichotomy in political thought. The bulk of those who profane Ayn Rand's work by calling themselves "objectivists" yet cling to the worst of Ayn Rand's ideas as if they were the best (the notion that NO amount of self-sacrifice is acceptable) do disservice not only to their greedy, self-worshiping, soon-to-be-worm-food selves, but to all that they truly are, which is an integral part of the whole of the cosmos. We are all one. Individual lives, led honorably, are significant and are worthy of great celebration, for without them, the whole of what we truly are is not merely incrementally diminished, but wholly intrinsically different, indeed ABSENT, without our role in it. Yet a sacrifice made by one of those honorably lived lives is not a sacrifice at all if it is done in the interest in the betterment of that collective whole. Our lives, because they are finite, must be valued as a whole, not a tally of fleeting joys over lingering misery, but in the sustained value they represent for all that comes after. This DOES include the degree of our own personal joys, but it is not dominated by it. No blind obedience to "states" nor numerical calculation of one's worth against the mere survival of a larger group of organisms is acceptable to a true objectivist, but to intentionally starve millions, to poison them, to intentionally hamper efforts to raise the intellectual and physical well-being of millions for mundane creature comforts like luxury or other trappings of wealth and power are not consistent with a rational and objective view of reality. They are the same sort of dogmatic blind worship of false values which Ayn Rand herself rejected. A person's highest personal ambitions must be greater than their own temporary ego stroking. No structure that exists with a person's name emblazoned upon it will have any value or meaning if we sacrifice our species for the sake of money and power-crazed egotists. A balance is easily found once an understanding of the fundamental nature of the oneness of all things is accomplished. Until it is, individuals stumble blindly through a series of fallacious arguments that pit self-interest AGAINST the interest of their society. No society truly IS a society if it does not exist to serve the interests of the individuals in that society...ALL of them. The "objectivist" charlatans (like Ryan Paul, who also claims to be "Catholic") voting to dismantle needed regulation of proven polluters and high finance con artists who attempt to justify their contempt for humanity by holding their pitiful individual brief existence above it all are not rationally observing reality at all. They are observing their own dicks (or clitorises) in their hands, mistaking their self-stimulation for true happiness, therefore virtue, therefore a higher ethic. Ask yourself ten seconds after climax if the effort was worth the payoff. Ask yourself if your brain is not biologically programmed by millions of years of evolution to think so. Ask yourself if any other ego-stroking pursuit is objectively a virtue, or does it just make you "feel good" in the moment. Ultimately, I fear Ayn was shamed for masturbating, and it led to a movement of cold-hearted reptiles re-purposing the otherwise promising fruits of brilliant thoughts centered on enlightened self-interest into a tool of self-defeating politics heavy on the self and light on the enlightened.
@dcissignedon
@dcissignedon Жыл бұрын
Her politics is excellent, her ethics is good, her metaphysics and epistemology are as good any any other, and better than most, but her novels are awful. The only thing good about her novels are the speeches her heroes make. But the fact that they need to make such long speeches shows her failure as a novelist. Though the speeches are excellent, they are are clumsily and artificially included in the stories. Also, her heroes and her villains are cartoonish. She's a good writer, but not of novels.
@gestet
@gestet 12 жыл бұрын
@noneofyourbusiness47 you addressed fntime but sent this to me.
@gestet
@gestet 14 жыл бұрын
fntime, were you one of the collective? If so, could you identify yourself.
@Bill-uo6cm
@Bill-uo6cm 3 жыл бұрын
I read her book about Ayn Rand, it was pretty good.
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
@olga2415 I always loved Reason magazine. Ronald Reagan often contributed articles, which at the time surprised me, because in the early 70's, I didn't look upon him as an intellectual. In the field of ethics, politics and defense of achievement & capitalism, she is the best. But there were many opinions, that she had, that she thought was truth! Objectivism to me, is not a philosophy.
@gestet
@gestet 14 жыл бұрын
I'm almost finished reading Ayn Rand and the World She Made by Anne C. Heller which is a fascinating & riveting biography. Rand's bouts of depression as well as her fits of manic rage when challenged with her philosophies are well documented in the book. Did you find her to be this way whenever challenged or disagreed with during any of the Q &A sessions at the end of the first lecture?
@Geopolitic157
@Geopolitic157 6 жыл бұрын
What is defined as virtues in humanism?.. Giving is a virtue... Caring is a virtue... understanding there is greater than one self is a virtue....Selfishness is not a virtue, and to say it is, is an utter lie and distortion.... Rand was lying about this..... Her view was a distortion of logic Ayn Rand is a crutch that people reach out to in order to feel good about being selfish. It allows and justifies the greed of such entities as the Koch Brothers, and the one percent wealthy to justify inequality, and their right to have so much, while so many have so few..... This is the most corrupt philosophy mankind can have for self destruction in moral decay, ethics, compassion, empathy, caring, love, and all the good that humanity entails.... The Capitalist system of Milton Friedman, and American politicians such as Paul Ryan, current United States speaker of the house, that have embraced this selfish system to justify their greed for the one percent wealthy mass... Only but a very few people in the world does well in this philosophy.... while the majority of the world suffers????? This is abhorrent... It is logically and systemically ridiculous on any level you care to argue as a functioning species for the majority to survive. The perpetuators of this idiotic selfish philosophy should be utterly ashamed of themselves for perpetuating it at all. The end result is counter productive to a harmonic world, and it creates chaos and revolution between the 99 percent and the one percent elites. That is factually being maneuvered in the world today as we speak.... Does not work!
@MadMax-dr6mf
@MadMax-dr6mf 6 жыл бұрын
Altuisminservice. Oh dear. The whole statement reads like a loser's manifesto. Still, I won't bother arguing, or pointing out the .huge holes in your reasoning. I'll continue to live by the rational, individualistic, and yes, selfish code as described by Rand. Years from now I fully expect to be happier, richer, surrounded by friends and family and in rude health, both physically and mentally. Can you say the same, with your pathetic hodgepodge of half-baked platitudes passing as a philosophy?
@Geopolitic157
@Geopolitic157 6 жыл бұрын
MadMax382. Hmmm.... I am doing well personally.... Frame of mind is everything.. ....Give me a few minutes to explain.... I see my view as a "win win" manifesto for all... I don't mean to insult you personally... Let me say however, philosophically, your view, to me... is a "win lose" for you at the present, and can easily be predicted to be heading towards the dreaded "lose lose" In the end, it is clear that you lose.....Let me further explain.... Lets use economics as the analogy.. Most "Randers" love economics.... You can see this play out in economics very well..... We have the history and we have the present to illustrate..... Before Neoliberalism with Reagan and Thatcher, and onward now, regardless of the political party, you had business leaders like Henry Ford. Ford who once said " I pay my people enough money to have a good living and buy my cars".... This was a "win win" economic view... And it worked as it took the unselfish viewpoint that "We are all in it together"..... We pay people good fair wages, and in turn, they buy the products, profit is made.... We share, keep it fair... Lots of people working, lots of people paying fair taxes to pay for great social systems... vibrant communities , cities.... again "win win"...... Now lets go with where we have selfishly progressed under Hayek, Mises, and Friedman since the continued neoliberalism of Reagan and Thatcher....... With Milton Friedman's "selfish economy; corporations search the globe for slave labour in China, Mexico, Taiwan, India, Africa.. wherever they can get it. They don't want to pay fair wages for labour. In fact they refuse it. Terrible things happen to people- homelessness, lack of health care, education etc... No one is working, no one to pay taxes, communities fail, cities fail, and the list goes onward.... Corporates are wealthy (*for now)... but that is spiralling downward.... Heading towards "lose lose... .... In any case, The United Nations estimates now there are 21 million people now producing 150 billion dollars in products. Corporations like Amazon sell those slave made products... Owners make extreme wealth, and pays it's worker minimum wages.. Many of their workers are homeless and live in their cars.... Still.... This is all "win lose"... Corporates are still winning.... but for how long? As it begins to get worse, and begins to implode on itself.... and eventually it ends .. with corporate market share continually shrinking with continual collapse.... After all, the market is really "the workers", who buy the products, and create the profit... but with using slave labour, the workers shrink... hence the "buyers of the products" shrinks... eventually the profit shrinks..... The selfishness eventually becomes the "LOSE LOSE".... ...... it is quite apparent the selfish philosophy is not a good economic road to be on..... The good news, is the people... and even the Neoliberals themselves, are beginning to understand this, and a progressive movement is rising.... But lets leave It there for now... The moral to my economic analogy is that selfishness always end up as a "lose lose" whereas "we are all in this together" as Henry Ford would say; is a "WIN WIN"....... Incidentally...... "The proof of the fallacy of Rand, is in the pudding" as they say...... Despite arguing that government benefits constitute an immoral redistribution of wealth, Ayn Rand received Social Security payouts later in life. Rand discovered at the end of her life that she was only human and in need of help. Rather than starve or drop dead-as she would have let so many others do-she took the assistance. Rand died in 1982, totally going against her own life's philosophy.
@MadMax-dr6mf
@MadMax-dr6mf 6 жыл бұрын
Altruisminservice (Sigh) The same old crap and specious reasoning. Here's one of the things wrong with your socialist viewpoint perhaps the main thing: you arrogantly assume that you are responsible for everybody else. The great irony is, that you can't take care of yourselves, and deep down you know it, hence all the 'brotherhood of man' talk. Objectivism isn't about win - win or win - lose. It's about the individual taking rational actions that benefit himself. If the whole world did just that, without trying to apportion guilt on anybody about duty and looking after people less well - off, the world would be far better off. Like Ayn Rand once said when someone asked what would happen to the poor in her type of world, If YOU want to help them, no-one will stop you. Yes, Rand 's philosophy is at the heart of wealth creation. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with saying to all you mealy - mouthed bastards, politicians, social workers, charity organisers and the like, to Get the hell out of the way? And actually, but for the selfish, individualistic nature of the unjustly maligned capitalistic system you wouldn't be able to communicate with me now.
@Geopolitic157
@Geopolitic157 6 жыл бұрын
MadMax382. I will begin where I left off... Ayn Rand is no philosophical hero.... She was highly flawed. She illustrated that when she aged, and then threw her philosophy out the window, and asked for her social security, and medical help, and received it....And so she should "We are all in it together" ... That is the point..... Hers... Not so much On viewpoint, my view is one that involves socialism and even within some capitalism . There are good and bad in both..... Take a look at the Scandinavian countries- Especially Finland..... A great place. Lots of belief in "We are all in it together". You point out that I am arrogant in assumptions...... and then you make many assumptions yourself? Might be a tad hypocritical here.. But worse; you assumed wrong assumptions to boot...... Clearly, I do not believe I am responsible to everybody else.... I will say it again, for emphasis... I believe that we are all in it together.... So lets be fair, help one another where we can, enjoy the planet, the life, and do some good things. No reason why Corporations can't make some money, and pay some reasonable wages........There I go again right....Win Win......What can I say..... Anyway..... I gave you an example of all that previously..... You don't accept that. So be it.....That is okay with me. Well, since you made so many assumptions I think I will have at er to.... Here are some really arrogant assumptions that I will make, and I will arrogantly tell you they will come true.... There will be a time you will want and ask for help. We all do.... We all want to be loved, love, have some successes, good friends, family, spouse, children, career...you name it...." but we can do all do this together"..... Share and be there for one another.....it does not have to be selfish.... It all works better this way... There will come a time you will be glad there are people that are there for you, and that are of giving, and willing to help you. These will be thankful times for you....Hopefully, you help them at times.... You will eventually come to appreciate that better side of humanity..... Like Ayn Rand, you will come to realize there is more to this life than being selfish... She did. I have been fortunate in life, and therefore have the capability to choose to help others...And I do'. Hopefully, you will see some merit beyond selfishness......it's a lot better. If you don't.....So be it.... If I have helped, good.. Happy to have done so..... If not, so be it. I have enjoyed the conversation with you. People can learn through disagreement.... Sorry, if I insulted you in any way.
@MadMax-dr6mf
@MadMax-dr6mf 6 жыл бұрын
Altuisminservice Funny how my threads disappear for a day, I write a message above, and they reappear again. Are you hoping that I remove it so that these can mysteriously vanish again? Unlike you I don't claim to be concerned with the feelings of my opponents, especially platitudinous relativists like you. I know how your kind use so-called 'good manners' as a weapon, trying to confuse the issue. I said at the outset I didn't intend to engage in an argument with you, because I knew that would be fruitless. So I'll just make a final statement. We are not our family, or society, or a nation. We are individuals. The value of any larger grouping comes only from a recognition of its individual members. The only thing individuals truly share is their ultimate solitude. We're born alone, we die alone, we experience love, cold, hunger, pain alone. Our greatest moments of joy are felt by us alone. Because we recognise that other people feel as we do we feel sympathy and empathy, love, friendship, respect. But it's all based on our individualism. Remove that sense, as people of your ilk seem determined to do, and everything is lost as we cease to be human. Ayn Rand lived some ten years in the horror of the kind of system all the 'brother-lovers' are pushing the world into. Her answer to it was a philosophy that would make such a monstrosity happening again an impossibility. Maybe that's what her opponents realise, and why she's so vilified. Don't bother replying, I'm done with you.
@fntime
@fntime 14 жыл бұрын
Philosopher, 'none are so blind, as those who will not see'. Enjoy your delusions. You who never met any of these people, but read someone elses interpetation is better informed than people who were there. Good luck pal, you'll need it!
@timeWaster76
@timeWaster76 11 ай бұрын
She was psycho
@martincull4914
@martincull4914 10 ай бұрын
Classic cult leader. When you have no faith in God, then best to have supreme faith in yourself. By their fruits you will know them?
@topguy4uok
@topguy4uok 10 ай бұрын
very cult like...libertarians getting in touch with their inner sociopath
@timyoung8935
@timyoung8935 8 ай бұрын
The old Godless speed freak had a lot of selfish fans
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