Basement Home Theater - Using REW to EQ & Add a House Curve to Your Subs
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Күн бұрынThis is how I used Room EQ Wizard for my Bass Management in my home theater. I will walk you through the steps I used to get to my final House Curve and get even bass throughout my entire theater area, minimizing peaks and nulls for a more consistent bass response throughout all seating areas. Please keep in mind I am not an expert - but have done a lot of research before I went through this process.
Home Theater Gurus REW How-To Guide:
• Ep. 7 - REW Tutorial M...
Home Theater Gamers MiniDSP Guides:
• miniDSP Tutorial Series
Details and links to all products used in my build are below:
**My 5.6.4 Home Theater System**
~Speakers~
LCR Mains & Rear Surround x 5: www.htd.com/VERSA-HTS1
Atmos Angled In-Ceiling x 4: www.htd.com/HDX-R65AIM
~Subwoofers~
Stereo Integrity HT-18 V3 x 4: bit.ly/3pBtgyM
SVS PB-1000 Pro x 2: amzn.to/3ygzqIU
SVS Soudpath RCA Cables: amzn.to/3dGEEUx
~Audio~
Denon AVR X4700H: amzn.to/31DEprf
Behringer NX3000 Amp: bit.ly/3pKQqmn
14AWG Speaker Wire: amzn.to/3IDSGEF
12AWG Sub Speaker Wire: amzn.to/3GNz1Rh
Sewell Banana Plugs: amzn.to/31MHqVF
Monoprice Binding Post Plate: amzn.to/3GuubrO
HTD Whole-Home Audio System: bit.ly/3wzVPPe
~Video & Screen~
Epson 5050ub Projector: amzn.to/3oIFaYB
140" AT Screen Material: bit.ly/2Th9e0e
Nvidia Shield Pro 4k Streaming Device: amzn.to/3oGT9xW
Panasonic 4k UHD Blu Ray Player (UB820): amzn.to/3oHzz4R
Ruipro 2.1 Fiber HDMI Cable: amzn.to/3IDVvpd
Ruipro 2.1 8k HDMI Cable: amzn.to/3rUnYkI
KabelDirekt 3' 8k HDMI Cable: amzn.to/3Ix7G7v
Screen Push Latches: amzn.to/3lSDsSE
Screen Gas Struts: amzn.to/3IwkdIa
~Lighting~
Lumary 4" Wifi Recessed Lights: amzn.to/3ELmdtM
Govee Smart Wifi LED Strips 32.8ft: amzn.to/3pJcNsG
Govee Smart Wifi LED Strips 65.6ft: amzn.to/3GudBZ9
~Rack Stuff~
AC Infinity AVR Cooling Fan: amzn.to/3rQAcLm
Echogear 20U Rack: amzn.to/33ctiFP
AC Infinity 2u Rack Shelf: amzn.to/3ICSIwy
AC Infinity 1u Rack Shelf: amzn.to/3Gyt4HG
Monoprice Metal D-Ring Lacing Bars: amzn.to/3dDXtrt
Velcro Ties Cable Management: amzn.to/3yfKBRZ
1" Wire Loom Tubing: amzn.to/3lRR3JQ
~Power / Other~
Panamax MR4300 Power Conditioner: amzn.to/3EIY86N
Panamax In-Wall Surge Protector Outlet: amzn.to/3DMOQFI
3rd Gen Amazon Echo Dot: amzn.to/3ELssOb
Harmony Elite Remote Control & Hub: amzn.to/3pF552C
TopGreener In-Wall Outlet Kit: amzn.to/3DCCXSI
Leviton 20amp Dual On/Off Switch: amzn.to/3DNhZQZ
12"x12"x2" Foam Acoustic Panels: foamforyou.com/wedge-tiles.html
2" Flexible Desk Grommet: amzn.to/338TvFi
10' USB Extension Cable: amzn.to/3rS0r47
Bluerigger 32' USB Extension Cable: amzn.to/3pRshuO
3.5mm Audio 12' Extension Cable: amzn.to/3Guyq6I
Monoprice 3.5mm to RCA Adapter: amzn.to/3DGBYAX
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Neutrik SpeakOn Cable Connector: amzn.to/3s9uHYv
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00:00 Intro
01:15 Products Needed
03:35 How to Connect
04:40 Installing Software
07:14 MiniDSP Setup
10:31 REW Setup
14:34 AVR Setup
17:14 Level Match Mains
19:28 Level Match Subwoofers
21:55 Gain Matching
24:32 Initial Measurements
29:56 Time Aligning Subs
31:34 Time Align Results
34:58 EQ Process
39:11 Setting up EQ in MiniDSP
40:48 Manual EQ
42:48 Manual EQ Results
43:28 Final House Curve
43:45 Adding a Crossover
45:20 Final Comparisons & Thoughts
@nemakis 29 күн бұрын
Two points. 1. The benefit of double subwoofers is to better cover nulls and spikes in frequencies. To achieve this, the 2 subwoofers must be far from each other in the room. Ideally in the two front corners, or diagonally in the corners, or in the middle of the room on the side walls, etc. Placing them almost next to each other, I doubt if ideal results will be achieved. 2 The amplifier you have supports both multiEQ XT32 and SubEQ HT, Sub EQ HT is a method we came up with to deal with multiple subs. If you only have one sub then it's not in use. The idea is to first measure each sub separately, then apply delay and level settings so that the two subs are now time and level aligned. Then we ping them once more as "one" sub to derive the room correction filter. By using the two subwoofers in an output as one, there is no use of the ability to first calibrate between them in level and time alignment, so that later both aligned between them, to calibrate in the room as well. You could connect them both to the two outputs of the amplifier and eliminate the mini dsp. And then if you need dsp setup, you could use the built-in dsp that the svs 1000 pro have, through the mobile app that the svs subwoofers have.
@andrewfogerson7110 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Slow and thorough, best tutorial I've seen yet, and I've watched many. I'm a firefighter as well out at Cannon AFB. I got Denon x3700h, 2 svs pb 2000 pro subs, svs prime center, replacing my polks with svs prime pinnacle towers next week. I'm trying to learn REW and about to try to implement a mini dsp 2x4. Thanks for the help!
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great setup! Just take your time, have fun, and be patient! You'll get it. Maybe not on the first attempt, but you'll learn something every time you do it. Thanks for watching - and thanks for your service! 👍
@L3x4Pr0ne 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job on this. Great follow-along tutorial too! Heading over to watch the new one after the new subs
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@petemarra1579 6 күн бұрын
GREAT VIDEO !!!! Thank you so much for this.
@nedkulic2164 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Ty.......very well presented - So very Helpful- Welldone!
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I'm glad it can help as it is quite confusing at first
@genelowe7209 2 жыл бұрын
I also wanted to send a "thanks" your way for the effort put into making this tutorial as succinct and straightforward as you have. I too watched Home Theater Guru's video (episode 7, I think) 3 or 4 times. For being relatively new to this, you did a great job of making it look easy. 👍 So, thanks again. And enjoy those additional 18" subs you added. Your home theater must sound as good or better than any commercial movie theater by now!
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I appreciate it. I hope it does help others out. I'm biased for sure but I think my room sounds great, and it can only get better once I add some acoustic treatments as well. But yes the bass is awesome now! It was an upgrade that really made my theater come alive. Thanks for watching!
@genelowe7209 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele Just subbed to you.👍 Looks like you've got some really good content! Keep up the great work while having fun doing it. You're a very effective communicator... And as long as you're having a good time creating, I can't imagine why your channel wouldn't keep on growing and growing. Thanks for your earlier reply, BTW. And while catching up on some of your past videos, I'll keep an eye open for anything new that drops.
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@genelowe7209 Thank you again! That's very kind of you - I appreciate it.
@Jesperreijonen 2 жыл бұрын
Newbie on DSP and this one was great for me 🙏 thanks from Sweden
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Glad to help
@Jesperreijonen 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele Filters on input doesn't seem to work for me tho. Checking the video again but maby asking for help 😅 need to boost a big dip at 75 Hz..
@Jesperreijonen 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele LF slope, is that okey to set 48 or should i leave it on 24? 48 follows my curve better
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jesperreijonen 48 should be just fine! If I remember right that's what I used as well because it slopes off faster than 24 does.
@Jesperreijonen 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele don't really get rid of a big dip on 75. Suggestions? Happens nothing when i add something to peq on input and then match respond to target
@rafmil13 Жыл бұрын
Very very Good video. Try to do again a new set up with the new version Room EQ Wizard software.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
I'll have to look into the new version. Is it that much different? What are the new features?
@M-J-P 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Every detail is explained. May I request you to now look into MSO? And then teach us how to use that. 🤔
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
I have heard of MSO - I haven't looked into it at all at this point. I can put it on my list, but it might be a while as I just haven't had much free time this summer! Thanks for watching 👍
@brnmaull 2 жыл бұрын
For your first time doing it you have a nice flat response. You also did a good job explaining it. I'm still nervous as hell to do it even though I watched gurus and home theater gamer and co guys videos multiple times. I no dsp is a game changer for alot of people. I know you said you are getting bass shakers in previous videos are you going to run the shakers to the dsp? Looking forward to seeing more of your videos. It was fun watching your room become what it is today
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much - I appreciate it! I learned so much. And honestly - go through the process several times! You'll learn something each time. Since this video is slightly outdated, I've already been through the whole process several times since, and it goes better and better every time. Don't think that you have to get it right the first time. You'll do great 👍 I haven't installed the bass shakers yet. I don't think they will be going through the Minidsp at all, but rather hook straight to the old receiver I plan on powering them with. Hopefully that'll be a project I'll be working on here in the very near future 😁
@fernandoayllon6376 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Ty. I’ve been following this channel and your build thread at AVS and just wanted to thank you for all the information you are sharing. Also, you say in the video you ran Audyssey after the set the HC. Did you let dynamicEQ on? Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of the HC? Maybe is something worth mentioning to your viewers.
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
First of all, thank you very much! You make a good point. In my case, since I have set my own house curve (HC), I chose not to use Dynamic EQ. there is nothing wrong with turning it on and trying it to see if you like it or not, because you can always turn it back off in the settings. The purpose of running Audyssey after setting your HC is for it to set room corrections and distances properly. It'll now see your '1' virtual subwoofer (even though physically you have more than 1) and it will apply corrections as needed. I also went a step further and purchased the MultEQ Editor app - which allows you to prevent Audyssey from changing the subwoofer corrections at all to further retain your HC. I'll try to do a video on that app soon - stay tuned!
@dharminderkalsi2311 2 жыл бұрын
Superb video!! A very well done tutorial! I would caution against using severe EQs to address response nulls. It’s an inefficient use of power. It’s a product of cancellation, as opposed to lack of energy. Perhaps adding a third inexpensive could be considered - you wouldn’t need a SOTA sub to produce 58Hz with sufficient volume.
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and your advice! Check out my newer video where I added 4 18" subwoofers to these two.....I now have a total of 6 subwoofers 😁👍
@CnetDennis 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice results you’ve got there. Home theater guru’s explanation paid off. @hometheatergamer also have good video’s about this subject 👍🏻
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Yes they both helped me understand and accomplish this! I linked both of their videos in my description. Thanks for watching!
@scott-richardson 16 күн бұрын
That 10dB boost you applied at 58 kinda added a big boost for the left and right seats. I would probably want to find a middle ground at 5db boost so the boost isn't as intense for the side seats.
@terrisharkles2313 2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial video of which I have watched many and some very confusing. Anyway can I ask a question which you touched on at the end of the video. Am I better to disable the audyssey subwoofer calibration in the Audyssey editor app so when i re run audyssey room correction audyssey wont try and flatten the House Curve and flatten the minidsp setup which you performed. After setting my subs up with minidsp what is the best way to integrate into audyssey. You stated re run audyssey then to check and SPL all speakers to 75Db @ the listening position and be done with it. Is that all there is to it. I would be very grateful if you could reply as I have read when you re run audyssey it flattens the curve what has been done in minidsp. Thanks
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Here is how I did it, and what I recommend. At the end of this video, you want to re-run Audyssey before disabling anything at all in the Editor App. If you have multiple subs, after you have completed all the steps in this video, Audyssey only 'sees' one subwoofer in the system, since you have time aligned and made them all work properly together. Audyssey will do some additional time alignments to the Mains and set distances, so you don't want to disable it just yet. After you run Audyssey (and I only run it in the first 3 mic positions then stop), then you can open the Editor App and disable all the Audyssey subwoofer corrections by dragging the line all the way to the left in the subwoofer menu, and it will revert anything that it changed to the subwoofer, but will keep all the distances and the other stuff that Audyssey does during it's corrections. Also - make sure you run Audyssey from the Editor app initially - it makes it easier to take your measurements and then adjust the subwoofer at the end. Does this make sense? If not , just let me know! Good luck 👍
@PRADEEP-bt7fd 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for creating the contents. may I ask if you would know. Would hpf 10hz be able to work on this SI 18?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
I assume it would work on it, but to be sure I would probably go to Stereo Integrity website and ask them for confirmation. Thanks for watching
@Vamon_Kinctuarinwhe Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video. I have a question, and I'm not trying to be a wiseguy, but did you do anything extra with your sub alignment over and above what Home Theater Gurus in Ep 7 did? Or can we just follow along with their video and get the same results you wound up with? Thanks.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
Hopefully the end result is pretty much the same. Depends on which delivery method you find easier to follow along with. I did what works for me with input from several videos and made it my own. Do whatever works best for you!
@MartinHAndersen 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks great video. I have two questions. First a 10db boost is a lot. I think this should come with a warning. Second: couldn't you have made all the filtering in REW?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks - Yes you are correct, 10 db is a lot of boost, maybe a warning is warranted here but it got my curve to where I wanted it. I would have to do more research on the negatives of boosting that much I guess as I'm not an expert like I mentioned. I couldn't do any more fine tuning inside of REW as I remember. The fine fine tuning is done with the MiniDSP - unless someone else can chime in and let me know otherwise. I'm sure sub positioning would've helped too, but in my room that was't really an option.
@MartinHAndersen 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele I am on the same journey as you. Have just build two dipole subs for my hifi system. Have done some measurements, and god damn (: the peaks and nulls changes so much when you move the microphone just 30cm
@christiangroneberg1368 2 жыл бұрын
Most „serious“ subs are capable of slamming a room on reference level. Now it‘s up to your listening level. If you enjoy movies with -10db on your AVR (after calibration) what probably is roughly the limit for most people, you are just playing your sub on reference level which should be fine.
@faysalusman 2 жыл бұрын
excellent tutorial.. you made it look so easy... I think the home theatre gamer says to have all speaker trim level to be zero before adjusting to 75db spl whereas, you only adjusted your sub to zero. Are you using a Y cable to have both your subs connected to the single output on your denon ?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! And that is a great question. Here is my answer to the speaker trim levels: At this beginning stage of tuning, we are only concentrating on the subwoofers. Since I had previously run Audyssey, the individual speakers distances and levels had been set already. The reason they don't matter in this case is because we raised our crossover to the highest setting which is 250 hz. What that means is when we are running our sweeps we won't get any sound out of the main speakers. And after we are all done with our subwoofers, we re-run Audyssey anyways which will re-set all the distances and speaker levels again. So we only need to turn out Subwoofer trim level to 0 at this stage. As for your second question - I am not running a Y cable. I have the single subwoofer output going to Input 1 on my MiniDSP, then using output channels 1 and 2 to go to each individual subwoofer. That way each individual subwoofer can be adjusted inside of the MiniDSP seperately from each other. Does that make sense? Good questions and thanks for watching!
@faysalusman 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele thanks for ur promptness. soon i will be going thru my first attempt using the mini dsp following each of your step. Will put up a question if i run into a situation. Plz let me know if you have any other means of responding your fans queries 😊
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@faysalusman Awesome - good luck to you! I think you will find it works really well and isn't that hard to go through. But please let me know if you do have any questions along the way and I will do my best to answer them for you.
@Mike_v_E 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, but why would you run Audyssey after you calibrated your subs?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Because Audyssey still needs to time correct them to the mains, and will set the sub distance accordingly as Audyssey will now only see one virtual subwoofer. Audyssey shouldn't have to correct much with the subs because you are already offering a very nice curve to it. It will also set the subwoofer trim level, which you can adjust afterwards to personal taste of how much bass you prefer. I hope this helps to answer your question - it's how I understand how it all works anyways. Thanks for watching!
@msoles30 2 жыл бұрын
Do you know what the setting is to make the spl volume be the same for each measurement on the graph
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
I do not know what setting that is, I'm sorry - if you happen to figure it out, please feel free to come back here and leave a comment so everyone that see's this can learn, including myself!
@almiragustin2262 2 жыл бұрын
When you do your subs sweeps it's all done at 75db? Eg your amp was at -18db at 75db so when do just your sub sweep there all done at -18db?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Correct!
@mitcheastwood5471 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ty. Thanks for all your work help with these vids! I set my speaker CAL to 75 by adjusting the volume on my Denon. Now when I switch to Sub CAL and hit play most of the sound is still coming from my left speaker (selected output) Should this not be all going to the sub as I set the crossover in the receiver to 250 already? 🤔
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome! Are you set to Java in the Drivers section of the setup?
@mitcheastwood5471 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele Yep, Should I switch to ASIO and output to channel 4?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@mitcheastwood5471 No it should be on Java at this point. I'm just trying to figure out why it's doing what it's doing. Maybe go through the REW Setup portion of this video again to make sure you didn't miss something? I'm sure you've already done that several times already thought......the only other thing I can think of is to make sure the Denon is set properly using the Green button on the remote for Sound Mode...maybe try a few of those to see if that fixes it? Let me know if that works.....
@frankeezee Жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele Ty, I had the same problem. I ended up disconnecting the L and R to assure sound was not being picked up. Did I do wrong?
@frankeezee Жыл бұрын
I had the same problem. Did you ever find a workaround or solution?
@deadfishthesecond Жыл бұрын
The only real critique i have is why boost your null? It's easier to cut then to boost, so why not just up your subs' volume gain on its plate amp to the point where your null is at 75dB? I also wonder if going further with the delays on your sub alignment would help fix your null as well. The only other thing I can think is that maybe because you stated your subs are close together, time delays won't fix a null. Either way, you did a great job of explaining the steps and I appreciate the shout out to the OP home theater guru.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I agree cutting is easier. But I know I tried doing that and wasn't getting the results I wanted....and since I can't move my subs location to see if that helps, I think I was down to my last option to boost to get a nice response that I wanted. Either way, I re-did it all after adding the 4 infinite baffle 18s to the setup, so it's all changed since thos video anyways. 😁
@deadfishthesecond Жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele i saw your new subs! Holy, nicely done sir.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@vijaykumar-ko6zl 2 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot for the detailed video and it was very informative. i have one question though, at the start you set subwoofer distance and level to 0 and then did the eq. after you ran audessy, did you leave subwoofer distance and level to zero or kept it what audessy changed after the calibration?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you want to leave your distance settings alone AFTER running Audyssey. I initially set it to 0 when I began because I had previously ran Audyssey, and you want everything at 0 when starting the whole process. Audyssey sets various room corrections and timing adjustments, so leave distances set after running it, which is also why we run Audyssey at the very end after you have everything else dialed in prior to. Hopefully this makes sense! Thanks for watching!
@vijaykumar-ko6zl 2 жыл бұрын
thanks@@TyEichele. one last question. after i finish with everything and if i still need to run subwoofer hot, can i still use subwoofers gain to increase it or any other way to do it as i am not sure if i still use subwoofer gain nob since we time aligned them and made them as one subwoofer.
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@vijaykumar-ko6zl Shouldn't use the subwoofer gain control after you've done all that work. You can adjust the subwoofer trim level in the AVR or in the MiniDSP to increase sub output. I use my Denon AVR to increase sub output, trying to stay below -4 at all times to prevent clipping or distortion. Nice work!
@vijaykumar-ko6zl 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele thank but how will you stay below -4 since we set the level to 0 in the beginning. does it mean that before doing minidsp, set distance and sub level to 0, do the minids, do the ypao after minidsp and leave both level and distance what ypao set?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@vijaykumar-ko6zl I think I understand what you are saying, sorry for the confusion. Inside of your AVR, you want to set the Subwoofer Output (or trim level) up or down to increase or decrease total subwoofer output. But it's best practice to keep your AVR in the negatives so you don't run into distortion or clipping issues if it is trying to bump up the signal too much. You can let the MiniDSP turn up the volume too using the Gain setting under Inputs and Routing Tab. Watch the video above starting right at 46 min and it explains how to add gain in the MiniDSP. I would try to get your gain set in the MiniDSP with your AVR subwoofer output set fairly low - maybe around -10 or -8 and see how it sounds. Then you can simply change the sub output in the AVR when you need to adjust it up or down some, and still remain in the negative region within the AVR settings so it doesn't have to work as hard. Here is a great reference on setting all this up like I've mentioned: www.avsforum.com/threads/guide-to-subwoofer-calibration-and-bass-preferences.2958528/
@jonathanyoung7050 2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea how you got your metrics so perfect. My system is in a big room (kitchen/living room) together and I think it creates a lot of null. I would love to see if you could help me with my system. Running Marantz SR6011/Outlaw 5000/pair of PB2Kpros/paradigm Speakers.
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure room nulls are a big part of it! If it worked out I could try to remote into your computer sometime if that's what you were thinking? Have you tried moving subs around to different locations to see if that changes/improves anything? Sometimes that's not possible I understand. Otherwise just keep changing things and I hope you can get it dialed in!
@jonathanyoung7050 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele Hello Ty I would like to do an appointment with a remote into my computer but it would have to be 21 May 22. I cannot move the subs from current location which both subs are sitting in front. Looking forward to your help.
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanyoung7050 Are you on AVSforum.com? If so, let me know what your username is so we can start a private converstation that way.
@CarlosGomez-THX_1138 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele try putting your sub in the MLP then move the mic around the room to find its best location for the sub.
@terrystimestwona5049 Жыл бұрын
When you run the setup minidsp to calibrate your subwoofers you set the volume to 75db. That would be reference 15 db or so on the av receiver instead of the usual zero reference db. So after you have set your house curve when you run Audyssey on the app do you set the volume on the AV receiver to reference 0db or do you leave it at minus 15db. Would like some clarity on that.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
That's a great question! I'm not sure it matters where the volume is set at when Audyssey runs it's calibration tones. In fact, that volume disappears completely when running it through the app and I believe the display reads something about Audyssey App in use. So if I understand your question properly, I don't think volume matters when running Audyssey, but I would leave it at -15 anyways so it matches your other calibrations just to be safe. Then if you really want to fine tune it, after Audyssey is done, using your Umik-1 or whatever calibration microphone you have, put it in your main listening position, and go into the individual speaker test tones menu in the AVR, and adjust the volume of each speaker to make sure they are all set to the same db level. I had to adjust a couple of my speakers even after Audyssey was done to get them all at the same level, and I even set my Atmos speakers to 76 db instead of 75 to run them a little on the 'hot' side as well.
@terrystimestwona5049 Жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele Thank you for explaining that to me just wanted to know and make sure if it made any difference as when you set up the minidsp you tuned everything to negative -15db on the AV Amp so assumed you had to do the same when running Audyssey as it is usually set to 0-db reference when tuning using audyssey. I assumed when you run audyssey through the app it sent the test tones to the AV receiver are you saying it does not send test tones to the receiver for speaker calibration maybe I have picked your meaning up wrong. Anyhow what you have explained set the volume on the AV receiver to -15db while calibrating using Audyssey though I assumed using the minidsp software you used the LF Rise Slope to boost the signal 10db so when you are at -15db listening level on the AV receiver you have boosted the signal during lower listening or have I got that wrong so maybe better calibrating using Audyssey at 0db in that instance.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
@@terrystimestwona5049 I think you have it right for the most part. Let me see if I can clarify. Wheny ou run Audyssey through the MultiEQ Editor app, it doesn't actually send the test tones from your app or from your phone. It just remotely connects to your AVR and runs Audyssey the same way it normally does. I would leave the volume on the AVR at whatever volume you used to calibrate everything, which for me was -15. I'm almost positive though it doesn't matter where you set your volume for Audyssey though because it sends the signals at a pre-determined volume level when you are running Audyssey anyways. And yes when you are using REW and creating a 'house curve' you are boosting the lower octaves 10 db so they can be heard better at lower volumes. This is kind of like turning on Dynamic EQ in your AVR (basically does the same thing to an extent). The lower octaves are hearder to hear so boosting them with a house curve is the ideal solution. Did that help explain things??
@terrystimestwona5049 Жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele Yes, that explained things crystal clear thank you so much for replying really appreciate that. Just one last question is it ok to go back and revisit to check levels in REW like you said by generating the pink noise from the receiver to check all levels are at 75db at the Main Listening Position is it ok to use the internal pink noise from the AV receiver and set the levels to 75db. I will do it that way what you have suggested. By the way love your new subs I am so jealous that must be a gut thumping sound must be a trouser flapping experience can’t imagine what that must feel like God damn it, health to enjoy those bad ass subs. Thank you kind Sir truthfully thank you for your help. I shall go forth and play with the minidsp in conjunction with audyssey.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
@@terrystimestwona5049 Thank you for the compliments on my subwoofer set up - I am very happy with it also! 😁As far as generating the noise to check your levels, I would just use the built in test tones in the AVR receiver, because then if you find that you need to make any adjustments, you can do it right there in the AVR test tones menu by turning it up or down a little bit until you see it settle right around 75 db through your calibration mic hooked up in REW and using the SPL meter.
@zarintms 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, what universal device do you use to control all the equipment that is located in another room? thanks
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Hello - I found a Harmony Elite Remote and Hub used on the Facebook marketplace a few months back during my build. I purchased it right before they announced that they were no longer going to be supporting this Harmony device. However, it is still working good for me and I will continue to use it until it quits working, then I'll have to see what options are available at that time. Thanks for watching!
@dougfox5312 2 жыл бұрын
Logitech announced the discontinuation of the harmony remote and now the price skyrocketed for used remotes. Not sure what people are using. I’m using a appletv remote which turns off my receiver most of the time through the hdmi cable. I wish Logitech didn’t discontinue but eventually our receivers will be smart home devices.
@joseespinola3604 Жыл бұрын
I'm trying to setup my miniDSP 2x4 HD but all the tutorials are with the old version of the plugins. Is there a way to download the old version of the plugins?
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure to be honest. I just checked my account on the minidsp website and it looks like the only option is the March 2023 version as well. I have installed it but I haven't even used it myself, so I guess I'm not sure how different it really is? Maybe you can email them or google search for an older version of the software somewhere else? I don't have any other ideas for you sorry. Good luck!
@joseespinola3604 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for replying, I already sent an email and you can't download the old versions anymore….you still have the old plugin saved on your pc? if you have it, it is possible that I can get it
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
@@joseespinola3604 I checked just to be sure but I don't have it. I usually always delete them after installation, sorry.
@jorgejovel5313 11 ай бұрын
I ran into the same problem my self and I can't take any measurements my 2023rd version looks completely different. This sucks cuss I so wanted to fine tune my 3 subs now i can't get the mini dsp and rew to work together. 😫
@michaelbested123456 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why at 13:45 you do the level test to be between -30 to -50 and then afterwards adjust volume, first on the AVR to reach 75db L front and then the subwoofer gain to also reach around 75db
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
The first one at 1345 is just a test that is built into the REW Software. It's a starting point is all. Later in the video when level matching to 75 db that is where you need to be to level match the mains with the subwoofers.
@michaelbested123456 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for The reply
@bikall1 Жыл бұрын
i understood boosting more then 6 db can damage your speaker. Basically you put more power into your speaker on that frequency where it doesn't want to play
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
I'm m sure that could be the reason to not boost so much and cut instead - I haven't researched it enough I guess. I've since re-done my curve and will be redoing it again when I get my acoustic panels installed. Learn something new everything you go through this process that's for sure! Thanks for watching
@bikall1 Жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele i just finished working on a new sub and also had a huge dip. I just laid the reference lower and cut the rest. The amp has plenty power to compensate that.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
@@bikall1 Makes sense yep! Did the same when I re-did mine.
@okcyurwin Жыл бұрын
The peaks and dips are a result of the room acoustics and very little to do with the speakers. REW reveals how the frequencies from the speakers interact with your own personal room. Take the same speakers into another room size and shape and the REW graph will be totally different. In less your in an Alnwick chamber the only real thing you are measuring is the acoustic response of the room. To an extent the peaks can be trimmed because eq will lessen the energy at any peak frequency. So the peak will have less pressure in your room and hopefully sound better at the point where the mic is. Deeps are different as certain frequency waves bounce back from the room boundaries and can cancel themselves out in certain areas. Trying eq more energy to bring up a deep simply adds more energy into a frequency that is already to big to behave nicely in your sized room. EQ is always the very last process after room treatments which is a whole science of its own. But once you have experienced a well acoustically treatment room you will understand that the majority of what we here is the result of the rooms dimensions. Folks that keep upgrading speakers and amps just get to hear their same room in a different tone. The best upgrade anyone can make is probably placed quality acoustic treatment. Your kick yourself for not doing it sooner👍🏼😁
@almiragustin2262 2 жыл бұрын
Veryyy good vid. Was this done thru Java or asos?
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This was done with Java.
@almiragustin2262 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele great going to try your steps. Iv got the basics but yours seems more clear to understand :).
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@almiragustin2262 Good luck! You can do it 👍
@almiragustin2262 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyEichele can it also be done thru asos? Didn't have time last week :( hopefully this week
@TyEichele 2 жыл бұрын
@@almiragustin2262 Are you referring to ASIO? I'm not familiar with ASOS.....
@douglasberry9168 Жыл бұрын
I ran it saved it and when I ran Audyssey... Subs were to loud. Turned down gain on the input on the MiniDSP but when I ran Audyssey it put the subs at -12 on level. Ran the internal test tones and set everything including subs to 75db again. Is this right?
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
Almost! If you want your subs to be a little on the 'hot' side, turn them down when running Audyssey but keep them just into the 'red' zone instead of turning them all the way into the green zone when it tells you to adjust your subs volume. After calibration if your subwoofer gain in your AVR is -12 that means it's trying to cut the signal as much as possible and it can't go any further than -12. So you need to re-run Audyssey and turn the volume down a little more than you did the previous time. See if you can get the sub volume in the AVR to be -10 for example. That way you know it cut the subs enough to calibrate properly and there was still -2 db of room before it couldn't adjust any more. I think I got my sub system to come out to -10 if I remember right, but that gives me plenty of room to fine tune how much bass I want because chances are you will be turning it up some as Audyssey tends to cut it out quite a bit. Does this make sense hopefully?
@douglasberry9168 Жыл бұрын
After that, do I use the internal tones on the Denon to level match to 75db? (Mains and sub)
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
@@douglasberry9168 Correct! Using your measurement microphone in your main listening position as close to ear level as you can get it.
@douglasberry9168 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@douglasberry9168 Жыл бұрын
I have the gain on minidsp at -20 and I keep getting -12 on sub final after Audyssey. More???
@larry9079 Жыл бұрын
I am not 100% sure but the house curve is for if your not using audyssey and dynamic eq but if you are I think you should set up a flat response because audyssey will try to flatten your house curve
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
I don't use dynamic eq because I have a house curve. Dynamic eq is meant for people that don't manually set up a curve or have the equipment to do so. After my house curve was set up, I further used the Multi EQ Editor app ($20 app) to run Audyssey, so that I can cancel out everything that Audyssey tried to correct in regards to the subwoofer, so that my house curve remains in-tact and untouched. But I still get the other benefits of Audyssey and room corrections, etc. Hope that makes sense and thanks for watching!
@larry9079 Жыл бұрын
Thanks I have the PC version multi eq x I will try out a house curve when I get home tonight good idea of removing subwoofer correction 👍
@terrystimestwona5049 Жыл бұрын
Could not have said that better myself I do understand anyone who is considering doing this with their setup you will have to look at this video and other videos to get a grasp of what you have to do and the how to go about it as without that fundamental knowledge you will be shooting in the dark and you wont have one clue what is really going on until you master the minidsp and Audyssey setup using the editor app to stop Audyssey messing with your hosue curve that you so meticulously created it is akin to learning a new language but one you have cracked it then it is as easy as pie. It took me over 3 months learning bit by bit a wee bit every day watched all the youtube videos over and over and over until I was totally fed up watching minidsp videos relating to the minidsp it was a task and a half. It is a leaning curve and you will have to set time aside to fully understand the process there is no easy fix you either want to learn this method or simply dont use the minidsp. Ty Eichele video is a fantastic starting point there are other videos as mentioned in his video have a look at those too. I orderd my umik1 and minidsp from soundimports.eu in Netherlands I got a fantastic deal. Give it a whilr you will never look back.
@TyEichele Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad it all helped you dial in your system. Enjoy it!
@davidt8438 5 ай бұрын
I was going to invest in the microphone and mini dsp but after seeing this video I can see it’s way more complicated and requires too much computer savvy for me to use. You say to input this and click on that and adjust this to there but because I don’t know why I’m to do that it’s just meaningless to me.
@TyEichele 5 ай бұрын
There's much better videos out there for this. You can totally do this. It'll be worth it. In fact, the newest version on REW is making this video that I made obsolete as far as tuning goes. It's going to simplify the process so much. I'd keep watching other tutorials on this until you start to grasp the concept. Check out this video for a demo of some of the new REW features: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oKp-npyHs7Tegas.htmlsi=Xy2Jp6H7V7GL7ckj Sounds like Brad is going to do a bunch of new tutorials on the newest features in REW. I might even re-do my room just so I can use the new features and take full advantage of the power of REW.
@iampuzzleman282 5 ай бұрын
I see the dip in the curve but in all fairness I doubt anybody can discern the difference when they listen to things.
@terrisharkles2313 10 ай бұрын
I managed to get my subwoofers built took for ages to complete but finally completed just threw some floor paint over them they look fine and play as expected wow is all I can say, anyway I tried the minidsp and like you got the same result, only thing is did you take a sweep after you applied or re ran Audyssey as for me the Audyssey messes with the house curve and makes it look something similar to before you started. Now I used the Audyssey editor app to tell Audyssey to not mess with the subwoofer basically I told Audyssey to leave it alone. I got nulls and peaks back into my house curve which made it similar to how it was before I started. I actually got a better result just using Audyssey on its own by looking at the rew graph. So did you run a sweep after you ran Audyssey and can you confirm did it mess with your house curve as it gave me a null @ 55Hz by as much as 10 dB I am totally disappointed and I have ran the tests over and over I even asked experts on the AV forums USA who know minidsp inside out they told me it is my room and sub location would have to change to improve the curve but no matter Audyssey should not interfere with the house curve after it has been set. As using Audyssey on its own has given me better sub response with a null @ 40Hz of only 5dB. Is minidsp umik worth it I am beginning to wonder. Would be fantastic if you ccould reply on that front would love to knwo if you experiencced the same situation as me did you just accept it, maybe continue using the minidsp even if it does mess witht he house curve. I must do a video myself to show the whole rew minidsp and Audyssey to show what it is I am talking about it is really frustrating I got a fantastic house curve at its peak 87dB then it swept down to 77dB it was fantastic house curve I set a high pass filter @ 18Hz everything in Minidsp sub land look bright the furture was wonderful looking. I retested it in rew it confirmed the same I saved it out to a file to keep if anything ever went wrong as I was never going to do this setup again after doing it previouysly for the umpteenth time it was then I applied Audyssey room correction it was at that time I kew I had F****** UP..
@TyEichele 10 ай бұрын
I'm not an Audyssey or minidsp/rew expect by any means at all, so I'm not sure either. I believe some people don't use or run Audyssey at all in their systems. I think there are benefits of Audyssey, especially when it comes to timing of everything together. When you retested it in REW, this was after Audyssey was applied? I'm not sure that's accurate, because if I remember right when you go to test everything in REW, in the initial set process, you have to turn everything off - from Audyssey, to crossovers, etc. etc. so that everything can filter through properly to get your raw measurement. Once you run Audyssey, at that point, you can just hop back into REW and take another measurement, because crossovers, etc. have been applied. So I'm not sure if that's what you are seeing? I think you also just have to trust the process and if you know you had it dialed perfectly before Audyssey, and you used the multi-editor app so Audyssey doesn't mess with your sub system at all, you should be good to go. Use you ears to be the judge at the end. This is the only other thing I can offer to you. It helped me out a bunch initially. Maybe you've already seen it, but if not I suggest you check it out: www.avsforum.com/threads/guide-to-subwoofer-calibration-and-bass-preferences.2958528/
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