Bass Drum Pedal Spring Tension

Bass Drum Pedal Spring Tension - James Payne

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6 жыл бұрын

The spring of the pedal can be our best friend or our worst enemy. Learning how to setup your pedal, how to deal with the spring and its role it's foundamental to play relaxed and have the perfect control of our foot technique. Let's understand how to take advantage of the spring and how it can help us to make fast drumming effortless on our feet with this video.
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@matts.9644 3 жыл бұрын

This is actually the best tension video on KZfaq! Perfect explanation!

@MrLomasdezamora 3 ай бұрын

Those things that you Say in this video, sadly I learn it on the hard way, bcos the lack of internet or KZfaq Etc. in the 90s -2000. You master class will be a inmaginable value for the new drumers 🖤

@tcr4451 6 жыл бұрын

James (and this video, in particular) helped me through a serious drum issue that I had been struggling with for years. Several pro drummers had given me pieces of the puzzle, but James put them all together. I have officially broken through a barrier that almost destroyed me. Back in business. Thank you, James!

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

So glad to hear that Todd!!

@bighouse5804 2 жыл бұрын

what was your drum issue? for me its my bass drum is super weak compared to my hands : /

@walkingdude87 5 жыл бұрын

Finally someone who isn't focused on pure speed. Great explanation. I will look at more your vids. Excited to see a teacher like rob brown who understands each person is different.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Exactly, speed is just a consequence of having the right posture, motions, settings etc... what fascinates me is everything that makes speed possible :)

@walkingdude87 5 жыл бұрын

@@JamesPayneDrums I just upgraded to trick dominator so adjusting spring based on how my body is felling day to day is so easy, not mention they are smooth as a baby's butt, including the slave. Almost equal inertia and momentum when realeased.

@BurrenSHdrums 7 ай бұрын

Funny BC he's the fastest LoL

@CorridorOfChameleons94 5 жыл бұрын

I really like how you keep saying you have to set the spring tension that works best for your body. I think that is the most crucial part

@bacobill 5 жыл бұрын

Your explanations and descriptions are very clear even if they are sometimes somewhat complex.. Your teaching skills are right up there with your drumming skills and I am extremely grateful for what you do.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Thanx Bill! Yes, explaining such details concepts is very difficult sometimes, especially when the details are what make the difference, but I always suggest to watch the videos, try the exercises, then whatch the videos again, and everytime there will be an information that will become helpful in that moment :)

@radoslavradosevic4586 4 жыл бұрын

so young ,and so good technician...

@vieiradrumss 5 жыл бұрын

Great job James! I will try this. Thanks for the tips.

@mikesperling9878 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah you are absolutely right with your point of setting the spring to your body "speed". Great video!

@carguysr8163 4 жыл бұрын

The best explanation of the purpose and use of spring tension I have seen. Great job. Thank you.

@yrussq 3 жыл бұрын

Best explanation videos on bass drum pedal concepts hands down. Never played fast double bass and had major problems with transferring Bleed from floor to the pedal but these videos helped me to understand some settings/technique issues. Thanks!

@kyledrums702 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the great detail of explanation on spring tensions, makes complete sense. 🤘🏼

@17kHz 3 жыл бұрын

So helpful. Good lesson. Thank you.

@eddyvilar 3 жыл бұрын

Perfectly explained. Thanks!

@mikep6967 4 жыл бұрын

Great explanation! Very Helpful!!

@jphifer2848 3 жыл бұрын

Outstanding explanation!

@Biggensan 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! ThNks!

@qhnguyen7593 Жыл бұрын

Best teacher on KZfaq !!!

@littlebear2477 4 жыл бұрын

A lot of important points!!

@9HeXaCoN9 10 ай бұрын

Great job, to explain so well, ty

@jcdrums2798 3 жыл бұрын

perfect and great explanation.

@AntarioPiano 9 ай бұрын

Amazing video. So that's why I've been struggling with ankle technique. My spring tension was too high and i wasn't prepared for that speed. That makes a lot of sense. Great video.

@abdelhafidabdelaziz7533 4 жыл бұрын

helps a lot!thank you.

@markielinhart 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much James, the bass drum pedal has been a huge barrier for me as a beginner drummer. Off I go to experiment with spring tension 👏🇦🇺✌️

@claesblomquist3510 5 жыл бұрын

Very good explanation. Thank you.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Glad you liked it!

@fishfinderchartersdavis9556 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve adopted a lot of bad techniques regarding bass drum techniques this very infancy explanation is just gold ! Please please follow and study James guide to progressive learning to foot techniques this is so awesome man unbelievable thank you 🙏🏻

@blonep 5 жыл бұрын

This is a great way to explain it, thanks James! I've been looking for a tutorial like this for a while because I struggle with the ankle motion.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Glad the video helped you man! You're very welcome!

@fishfinderchartersdavis9556 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@3L3V3NDRUMS Жыл бұрын

That video helped me so much!!! Thank you so much! I'm 13 and with my teacher I only learned playing swing, merengue bossanova etc. But in my freetime and on my YT Channel I cover normally only Powermetal stuff with much double bass. Until I saw your video my maximum velocity was playing Arch Enemy House Of Mirrors. But now after your helpful video I gave more tension to the spring and now (with training) I'm able to get higher speed! That's so cool! Subbed

@TamatoaDrummer 4 жыл бұрын

This video blowed my mind when I saw it some years ago

@zarwarrior 6 жыл бұрын

Very good explanation, a little lengthy but I think is needed for some of us that just don't understand the physics behind it! Thanks James!

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked the video! Yeah, I try to be as clear as possible and sometimes it gets lengthy, but hopefully people will find some information that help fixing their issues!

@ajmbcr8965 6 жыл бұрын

Again, as as always in your vídeos: Genius explanation!!!!! (JR_PORTUGAL)

@pitbullpitbull2357 6 жыл бұрын

I bow u boss. For ur good mind

@EarthtonesCymbals 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@bobsmokes1026 3 жыл бұрын

Nice

@serpentscoil9868 2 жыл бұрын

You were amazing in hours of penance!

@joaberios2499 3 жыл бұрын

"The spring tension has to be regulated based on our body preparation."

@MattGWalters 2 жыл бұрын

One question I have is how this works when playing different tempos, since the song bpm probably wont match the spring right? Enjoying the channel by the way!

@4got2sleep7 5 жыл бұрын

Great, I finally know what to do with the spring. I tried ankle motion and my pedal was completely not synchronized and bounced of from the foot. Now it makes much more sense.

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Great to hear that man!

@ryanb1874 4 жыл бұрын

Please explain. I hate lifting at the kneee.

@ryanb1874 4 жыл бұрын

Marcin Skowronski, how s that again? 🤔

@breezyamar 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. Are we supposed to increase the spring tension gradually until we are no longer in sync with the spring?

@fishfinderchartersdavis9556 3 жыл бұрын

Take the spring OFF , to under stand the bounce techniques and incorporate the below follow his guides it’ll be amazing 😉

@CoredusK Жыл бұрын

So would you set the spring tension to feel good for each foot? Or keep the spring tension for both pedals similar and work the muscles up from there?

@udaman100 3 жыл бұрын

Just curious if this same tension spring concept can be applied to the compression spring on Trick pedals. I have Trick Black Widows

@mykkot 5 жыл бұрын

Great video and explanation James. Thanks. How much will the head tension matter here? If i find my tension of the spring with a certain tension of the head then when i play on another head with another response. Will that make it feel different? I'm thinking the tension of the head might effect the speed of the swing?

@viktorbjornstad_drums2nd440 5 жыл бұрын

martin karlsson It does but slightly. Check out Erce Arslan on youtube. A lot of drummers say: Your tension on your head should be determined by SOUND mainly. NOT SPEED. It doesn’t effect the feel that much. :)

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Hey man, I agree with what Viktor replied too, it does affect the feeling but not too much! if you relate to the pedal settings they will give you pretty much the same feel on any bass drum tuning (unless the bass drum head is very tight, then it will feel a bit more different)

@markuschelios6891 3 жыл бұрын

It's a symbiotic relationship between the pedal and the player so it only makes sense to adjust the pedal to the human and not the other way around. The only way to sense where the perfect tension is is to play relaxed and "listen" to the feedback from the pedal.

@psychlyeslg 3 жыл бұрын

Should it feel like pushing down wood to water?

@KamalBensra Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the video. It's very helpful. I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I play heel up and I bury my beater. When my spring is tight, my pedal sometimes makes unwanted hits when I bury the beater. I hope you know what I mean. I hit the bass drum, and then because the tension is high, the pedal has an extra unwanted hit. How do I avoid that?

@BurrenSHdrums 7 ай бұрын

Burying the beater+ high spring tension= ghost notes. You need to eliminate 1 of those 2 things

@bobandgang5411 7 ай бұрын

@@BurrenSHdrumsthank you!

@francescorabitti4993 4 ай бұрын

mi piace! però non capisco una cosa, se la frequenza di oscillamento è tot, con quel set up della molla andrò ad ottimizzare lo sforzo fisico solo a quella velocità per assecondare l'oscillazione. come faccio in tutti gli altri bpm? bisogna spostare il piede sulla pedana per variare il fulcro?

@JohnyLim6393 4 жыл бұрын

I am always feel tired and pain on my leg if I am using ankle only without moving my leg, I think because I don't know where my leg should rest. I don't have any problem using heel down at all.. Any advice?

@jamesandrewhamilton8920 3 жыл бұрын

Are you thighs angled downward when you sit at the kit or are your legs pretty much level? Sitting higher up definitely helps

@matenorth 6 жыл бұрын

When you say cheating with leg motion, do you keep your knees a bit high or the heel is resting on the pedal?

@JamesPayneDrums 6 жыл бұрын

I do keep the knees a bit high!

@ryanb1874 4 жыл бұрын

How about drruming with the old, rail sliding shoes, to let the soap dish rock on a damn fulcrum added to the back of the heel plate. GOD that's terrible.

@thedruminator6560 4 жыл бұрын

Hey man ..I need your help..I'm planning on buying a new pedals either the speedcobra 310 or iron cobra 600 don't know what is good for me ..how will the longboard differ from the short board ?

@Benjamin-bj6xj 4 жыл бұрын

lamshuwa manbha I went with the pearl p-932 and it’s great

@boneys3607 4 жыл бұрын

the good thing about a longboard (for me at least) is that you get more power (and speed) when you put your foot on half of the pedal. this is also possible with "normal" pedals (like the 600s) of course, but you have a lot less room for your foot (swivel e.g.). on top of that a longer pedal is already useful with big feet ;) in the end it is anyway important that you have an upright posture and height from the stool, so that your legs are not overstrained by the normal movement. most people forget this.

@ryanb1874 4 жыл бұрын

Would you ever disatach the spring, to practice. ?

@ojosdefuego3 4 жыл бұрын

My teacher told me to adjust the spring to the maximum, but I have less speed, now I use the loose springs and I don't get tired. Should I have medium tension?

@dbmdrums1105 3 жыл бұрын

Yes ..but do you have control and dexterity at what ever speed you play the double bass. I recently loosened the tension because my ankles lacked the control and dexterity .

@salvatorearrigo4909 5 жыл бұрын

Ciao james, ma video in italiano non ne fai? O con i sottotitoli...grazie

@JamesPayneDrums 5 жыл бұрын

Ciao Salvatore, purtroppo ci vuole troppo tempo a fare video in diverse lingue, anche perchè se dovessi accontentare tutti dovrei farle in tutte le lingue del mondo ahah, per questo faccio solo in Inglese, essendo la lingua più usata per comunicare. L'unica cosa che ho con sottotitoli in italiano è il DVD sul mio sito.

@salvatorearrigo4909 5 жыл бұрын

Grazie james sei un grande!!!

@BurrenSHdrums 7 ай бұрын

With articulations, he means joints

@jeigan1628 4 жыл бұрын

speed this video x1.5 it's perfect

@SpaceTimeManipulatorSTM 4 жыл бұрын

For real, this video could be like half the length if he would just get to the fucking point.

@jameswyatt6076 4 жыл бұрын

@@SpaceTimeManipulatorSTM somehow 2x doesn't feel fast enough

@SpaceTimeManipulatorSTM 4 жыл бұрын

5 minutes in and I'm starting to wonder if I'm being trolled. In this time you have explained: the spring pushes the pedal back and you need to work with it not against it. FIVE MINUTES to explain that.

@Interwurlitzer 3 жыл бұрын

finally , someone articuates the utter conceptual confusion demonstated here with redundant and awkward verbality by the otherwise technically highly proficient instructor.... just scrolling thru the reactions in the comment section is like vivisecting a psychological experiment / which show the result of a collective trolling/...dont get me wrong , the dude helped me out many times , but this lecture is one of a kind;)