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@reverendB
@reverendB 6 ай бұрын
George commented that he was only used to seeing Batman serious and dark. When this came out, this WAS serious and dark. For 30 years prior to this, our only live action Batman was Adam West. This was a radical departure from what we knew. 35 years later, looking back, yes it's a little corny compared to the more modern iterations of the character. But in 1989, this was IT. EDIT: This came out before the creation of the Harley Quinn character. She came from Batman The Animated Series. This movie paved the way for that show.
@aimmethod
@aimmethod 6 ай бұрын
Burton nailed it in terms of atmosphere ( _set design, costumes, dramatics_ ). Nicholson's joker is the closest portrayal of the original comic book Joker. The later Jokers ( _Ledger, Leto and Phoenix_ ) were grittier versions and not true to the original comic.
@Johnny_Socko
@Johnny_Socko 6 ай бұрын
@@aimmethod My favorite reaction of the Joaquin Phoenix Joker was from Ralph Garman, who does a podcast with Kevin Smith, but has also written for DC Comics (including "Batman '66"). He said, "The Joker is someone who has panache. He has charisma. He's not some sad loser who rides the bus!"
@mugbarron2172
@mugbarron2172 6 ай бұрын
Yeah wtf!? I love George, but has he seen Batman Forever or Batman & Robin 🤨 lmao?
@darkamora5123
@darkamora5123 6 ай бұрын
​@aimmethod actually Ledger was probably the truest. In the original comic The Joker was a murderous genius with a clown theme. His plans were elaborate but not silly like Nicholson. There were many years of stories portraying him like this, but this was not how he was originally in 1940.
@cindygray6009
@cindygray6009 6 ай бұрын
I was going to make this same reference! I grew up with the Adam West Batman and remember vividly when these films came out. To us, these were dark but with just enough humor and cartoon quality to make the crossover for us at the time.
@gregbard
@gregbard 6 ай бұрын
Guys, you have to understand that when this movie came out for the vast majority of people, their only image of Batman was the comical campy tv show from the 60s. This version of Batman was completely new, and radically different.
@mediumvillain
@mediumvillain 6 ай бұрын
The darker, more gritty version of Batman around that time in the comics was the one with the blue cowl & grey suit with the spotlight chest logo. It was after this time when it started becoming more gothic and mature (more bc of Frank Miller and Alan Moore's stuff than these films I should add), but sometimes in a kind of goofy & overwrought way as per 1990s comic books lmao.
@treetopjones737
@treetopjones737 6 ай бұрын
The TV show, as kids we didn't realize how campy it was. It's a fun show to watch as an adult, the campiness was intentional. Eartha Kitt as Catwoman was fun. Cesar Romero was Joker, Burgess Meredith ( Rocky's trainer in the movies ) was the Penguin, Frank Gorshin was the Riddler.
@brachiator1
@brachiator1 6 ай бұрын
Hail Caesar Romero, a very good Joker. He refused to shave his mustache, so they used makeup to disguise it.
@GhostWatcher2024
@GhostWatcher2024 6 ай бұрын
​@brachiator1 if that was made in the 2010s they'd have CGI'd over it.
6 ай бұрын
@@treetopjones737 I could never see what people like in the 60s Batman TV show. I still can't. I'm probably too old :D
@mhar805633
@mhar805633 6 ай бұрын
I saw it in the theater opening weekend, and when he said "I'm Batman" the entire theater started clapping and cheering. It's hard to explain to someone younger who has been bombarded by superhero movies most of their lives, how big a deal this was. Kinda like being a kid and seeing Star Wars when it came out in 1977, and experiencing something new and incredible for the first time.
@theduckfromthejoke152
@theduckfromthejoke152 5 ай бұрын
Awesome man... Those are the moments like being around the first week. Song comes out from In artist people barely know and you hear it like the first Day or so and you just know it's gonna be a classic... And you can always say you were there for that... Big ups
@jp3813
@jp3813 4 ай бұрын
More like seeing Richard Donner's Superman back in 1978.
@joshhansen2643
@joshhansen2643 6 ай бұрын
Vicki Vale is one of the older Batman characters she was from the late 1940s. She was pretty popular in the silver age not so much in the last 30 years or so and was many of Bruce Wayne’s love interest over the years.
@SJ-ty5rw
@SJ-ty5rw 6 ай бұрын
Whats interesting for this movie , is they had chose Sean Young , from Blade Runner to play the part of Vicki Vale . But she got injured before filming , so Kim Basinger was given the role at the last minute . I can understand why she was upset for decades about losing the part . It was a big deal at the time this movie .
@Avocado11
@Avocado11 6 ай бұрын
Was popular enough to get into the Arkham games.
@fynnthefox9078
@fynnthefox9078 5 ай бұрын
Basically Batman's own Lois Lane.
@MrGBH
@MrGBH 6 ай бұрын
Harley Quinn first appeared in the Batman cartoon in 1992, 3 years after this movie came out. Whether her civilian designed was based on this actress, I dunno
@dg-my9pn
@dg-my9pn 6 ай бұрын
Harley Quinns design was based on her voice actress Arleen Sorkin
@fighterck6241
@fighterck6241 6 ай бұрын
​@@dg-my9pn RIP😢
@michaelblaine6494
@michaelblaine6494 6 ай бұрын
It was cool seeing that character develop into an icon real time,when you go back to her first appearance it’s obvious they had no idea how important she would become to the lore
@jimiewilliams7623
@jimiewilliams7623 6 ай бұрын
That actress is Jerry Hall. Before this movie, she was mostly famous for being a supermodel and Mick Jagger's long time girlfriend.
@mayapeterson3072
@mayapeterson3072 6 ай бұрын
I love that Harley Quinn is such an iconic character that she feels like she's been around for longer than she has.
@misterprickly
@misterprickly 6 ай бұрын
people forget that *THIS* was the original dark & gritty Batman.
@partypoppers1988
@partypoppers1988 6 ай бұрын
Jack Nicholson is *very* much like how The Joker was in the comics around this time. Probably the best realisation of a comic book Joker in film.
@xhagast
@xhagast 6 ай бұрын
Ledger, Leto, the new Joker guy. They are good actors but only Nicholson played him like in the comics.
@ApexG321
@ApexG321 6 ай бұрын
More like how the original Batman TV series. Batman comic books of the late 80s and 90s were not like this.
@OzBaxter
@OzBaxter 6 ай бұрын
@@ApexG321 Yes they were, after Tim Burton's movie came out, the books shifted to a darker noir tone for a while. Jack's Joker is a mix of the original gangster Golden Age version and the Dark Knight Returns psychopath. The Batman TV show made every character a childish caricature of their 50's versions. Nothing like this film.
@ApexG321
@ApexG321 6 ай бұрын
@@OzBaxter I disagree completely.
@jonathancunningham8739
@jonathancunningham8739 6 ай бұрын
No the 80's comics were like that jack was like the 80's comic joker he was very dark.@@ApexG321
@DankHillCometh
@DankHillCometh 6 ай бұрын
Vicki Vale is a DC Comics character who is a journalist and reporter for the Gotham Gazette. She is often depicted as a love interest of Bruce Wayne, Batman's alter ego. Vale first appeared in August 1948 as Batman's equivalent to Lois Lane. She is often romantically attracted to Batman and Bruce Wayne, and she eventually proves that they are the same person in the story Bruce Wayne: Road Home.
@MrHarbltron
@MrHarbltron 6 ай бұрын
His other two major love interests are Selina Kyle and Talia al Ghul, the mother of Damian Wayne.
@kebernet
@kebernet 6 ай бұрын
Harley literally didn't exist at this point. She was created for Batman: The Animated Series which was created in the wake of the Tim Burton movies.
@timhibbard4226
@timhibbard4226 6 ай бұрын
The Hollywood legend I have heard on that one is that one of the show’s writers created the character specifically for his partner, a professional voice actress to play in the show.
@stephenhumphreys9149
@stephenhumphreys9149 6 ай бұрын
@@timhibbard4226 I don't think that's completely accurate. I read that the writer was a friend of Arleen Sorkin and based Harley on a scene she had been in on another show where she dressed up as a clown - I think she was mainly a normal actor rather than a voice actor. I believe originally Harley was meant to be a one-off character, but the character was so popular they brought her back.
@youdosuck
@youdosuck 6 ай бұрын
That is correct. Batman: The Animated Series "Joker's Favor" (September 11, 1992)
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 6 ай бұрын
@@stephenhumphreys9149 Harley was supposed to be a one-off character. It was when Arleen Sorkin came up with the character's voice that Dini and Timm realized Harley's potential and made her a series regular. Cartoons have to have much more lead time than live-action, so Harley's appearances were already locked in before the show aired.
@stephenhumphreys9149
@stephenhumphreys9149 6 ай бұрын
@@reidmason2551 Yeah, that's just about what I'd heard too - particularly that she had been planned beforehand but once Dini got Sorkin hired they then altered the character to fit her better. I actually read somewhere that Timm wasn't a big fan after the first episode but warmed up to the idea of bringing her back as time went on, but I'm not sure how accurate that is.
@philrob1978
@philrob1978 6 ай бұрын
In 1989 - this WAS our "dark" on screen Batman. Hard to gather I'm sure, but this is where we were - and Tim Burton and the screenwriters nailed it. I was obsessed with this as an 11 year old. Which means a lot of us over the age of 40 will always love this movie. I can understand though that for younger generations used to the Nolan trilogy - it isn't really going to cut the mustard. Very much enjoyed the reaction though - :)
@RyoHazuki224
@RyoHazuki224 6 ай бұрын
Yep, well compared to what we had before, good ol colorful Adam West Batman tv series and a movie! This was dark as hell in comparison!
@nebularain3338
@nebularain3338 6 ай бұрын
I didn't think Nolan's films were particularly dark. Grounded yes, but that's not the same thing. Burton's Batman was dark in a highly stylised way that felt like it nodded to a comic book feel, but again that doesn't make it less dark.
@Mugthraka
@Mugthraka 6 ай бұрын
@@nebularain3338 Yeah i agree. Nolan's are grounded and somewhat gritty, but still on par with any kinda thriller/crime movies that allready was in the begining of the 2000's. They did some cool things, but nothing really ground breaking, it was down to the actors performances, Bale is really good, Nesson was not bad as Rhaz, if somewhat a bit of a misscast, and Ledger was great has the Joker that is the Anarchist Agent of Chaos. But Nolan's isn't particularly "Dark", itys just, Crime ridled New York like city.
@MichaelJordanGoat2324
@MichaelJordanGoat2324 6 ай бұрын
As a younger person Batman 1989 and Batman Returns are so much better than the Nolan Trilogy.
@LittleGalaxyBoy
@LittleGalaxyBoy 6 ай бұрын
Visually Burton went for a more timeless aesthetic pulling heavily from the 1930s mixed with the 1980s from fashion, vehicles, weapons, and technology. Gangsters with Tommy guns, Death of the Waynes everyone is wearing 1920s to 1930s clothes. This is heard in the sound effects as well such as the bullets sounds, very 1930s noir film. Gotham itself was designed by Anton Furst who gave it a very timeless Art Deco meets Gothic Revival designs. In return giving Gotham a very Deco Punk look and feel. This style was also captured in the Batman: Animated Series (1992) but they dived deeper into the timeless aesthetic by having more 1930s to 1940s elements such as people driving around in retro 30/40s cars to blimps flying across the Gotham skyline. The Animated Series was also more Art Deco, dubbing it Dark Deco and using the Chicago World Fair as inspiration, A world where the fair never ended. Funny enough for the Superman: Animated Series also used Art Deco but they gave it a more 1950s retro-futurism look to showcase Metropolis being the city of tomorrow. The cars for example were very 1950s retro-futuristic like a mix of Fallout and even some 1980s sports cars. While people dressed like a mix of the 1950s to the 1990s. This was something the Nolan films lacked for me. Begins featured a cool art deco-like tram system and the narrows looked cool but Dark Knight (Love the film) just looked like Chicago while Dark Knight Rises was just New York City. The city lacked any personality for the sake of Nolan wanting to showcase that “Gotham could be any city” which just removes any uniqueness from this amazing city. Thankfully The Batman (2022) captured Gotham pretty well with heavy amounts of Gothic Revival being filmed in the UK within Liverpool and more importantly Edinburgh a VERY Gothic-looking city. Combined with Chicago as well but edited enough with unique Gothic and Art Deco skyscrapers so it doesn’t just look like Chicago.
@BarryHart-xo1oy
@BarryHart-xo1oy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the design history of the Batman movies.
@indiatastic
@indiatastic 3 ай бұрын
I never even heard of The Batman 2022 Jeez how many are there....
@stygggian
@stygggian 6 ай бұрын
I can't explain to you how excited we were when this was first announced, and how confused we were that Beetlejuice was playing Batman.
@terrylandess6072
@terrylandess6072 6 ай бұрын
He was always Mr. Mom to me before playing a dead guy or a bat guy.
@somthingbrutal
@somthingbrutal 6 ай бұрын
i was a projectionist back then we had people asking which screen had the batman trailer running
@MrUndersolo
@MrUndersolo 6 ай бұрын
Not confused here; just a little anxious until we saw what he could do.
@glamazon6172
@glamazon6172 6 ай бұрын
@@somthingbrutal What a time! People buying tickets for a movie specifically for a trailer and then some just walking out!
@Educated2Extinction
@Educated2Extinction 6 ай бұрын
Tom Hanks must have really freaked you out over his career.
@LeChaunce
@LeChaunce 6 ай бұрын
Vicki Vale was Bruce Wayne's love interest in the early 1940s. She was basically Lois Lane, constantly trying to prove Bruce was Batman.
@dngillikin
@dngillikin 6 ай бұрын
Vicki Vale's first comics appearance was in 1948, and she lasted until 1963. Bruce's early 1940's love interest was actress Julie Madison, but she didn't last long.
@yermatedave4930
@yermatedave4930 6 ай бұрын
To add, Vicki still shows up from time to time in the comics and adaptations, bit rarely as a serious love interest anymore. She pretty famously showed up in the first issue of Frank Miller's All-Star Batman and really brought the fanservice
@LeChaunce
@LeChaunce 6 ай бұрын
@@dngillikin Thanks for the clarification! I could've sworn Julie Madison only appeared a couple of times.
@clevelandcbi
@clevelandcbi 6 ай бұрын
With all respect to Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix, Jack didnt have to immerse himself or study nonstop to become the Joker. He just had to show up.
@Grayskul04
@Grayskul04 6 ай бұрын
Explains why he wasn’t anywhere near as good as those two.
@Hooga89
@Hooga89 6 ай бұрын
@@Grayskul04 I think he is very good tbh, his take on Joker fits the overall vibe of the movie. Ironically the fact that we've all come to expect that the Batman universe should be gritty and darkly realistic is kind of funny when the source material is in actual fact very goofy.
@pencilnecked1579
@pencilnecked1579 6 ай бұрын
@@Grayskul04 He is great for how Joker had largely been written before the more "realistic" Joker took hold in the comics. This is much more the Clown Prince of Crime Joker longtime readers would have been familiar with at the time.
@donnyouttheway4091
@donnyouttheway4091 6 ай бұрын
@@Grayskul04 please get off their --s . They were good but not better than Jack. Not sayin Jack was the greatest thing since peanut butter but neither one of them is better than him. They couldn’t even get the laugh right. Heath was trying but barely could do it. Phoenix couldn’t do that shit at all. He just resorted to laughing annoyingly hard and calling it a disability. Which was so corny to me. The standard ,imo is mark hamil. And the person who was closest to him was Jack. Jack had the jokes, the laugh and craziness. That makes him better than both Heath and Phoenix. And plus they tried too damn hard with those two. Joker isn’t some wet haired, drugged out looking dude that cut his own face and told 19 different stories about somebody else doing it. Or some mental patient with family problems who has a laughing disability. The joker (imo) is a regal, well dressed and hilarious psychopath. Who was once a regular dude who went through a Traumatic day and became the joker. Thats Jack Nicholson. Besides being a regular dude who went through something traumatic. He’s the joker I grew up watching in the cartoon. I don’t see heath or phoenix as that. They’re both modern 2000s , generic run of the mill dudes who chose to throw on some makeup and call themselves the joker. And if you actually studied all three , you would see how they both took pieces from Jack. Heath growling when he talked (just like Jack talking to his “number one guy”) or when Phoenix shot Robert deniro and danced after. That was literally Jack while shooting his boss. You may say they’re better but they know/knew they were following after him.
@jessecortez9449
@jessecortez9449 6 ай бұрын
Joaquin Phoenix is Joker in name only. His movie only used the names Joker, Wayne, Arkham Asylum to bring in broader general audiences. His movie is based on Taxi Driver and King of Comedy. No inspiration from the comic source material. It's a bit of a pity, honestly, that people lump him in with everyone else because they end up missing the message of the film; a man struggling with mental/emotional issues while living in a society that fosters those issues. General audiences wouldn't have seen that movie though. It's kinda like if Requiem for a Dream was presented as a Spider-Man movie it would've had much greater box office success.
@visiblepixels4632
@visiblepixels4632 6 ай бұрын
It can't be overstated how huge this movie was when it came out - I'm not really talking about box office (though it was the highest grossing domestic film of that year) - I'm talking about culturally. As others have said, the superhero landscape was pretty barren after Superman. But like Supes, Batman was (and is) one of those iconic fictional characters that transcended every medium - everyone on Earth knew him. To have such an iconic character appear on screen for the first time was massive. You literally only needed the logo to advertise. It was a movie that was able to bridge the gap between the campy live action 60s Batman everyone knew and the grittier, gothic tone of then-contemporary batman comics. Having someone like Michael Keaton - a popular actor many thought was miscast - play the lead only added to the allure. Finishing it off by featuring a top-billed, Oscar caliber actor like Jack Nicholson was the cherry on top. All the stars aligned. Batman merchandise was literally everywhere - you couldn't take two steps without seeing that logo on hats, belt buckles, happy meals, toys etc. Prince's songs charted on Billboard. Posters, art, etc. were plastered on every surface that summer. When I was little, this was the first film in my area that theaters used to test raising ticket prices, and no one cared. The closest comparison in terms of hype/awareness at the time would probably be Jurassic Park. Obviously, when we look back, it doesn't compare with modern day blockbusters - but at a time with no social media and no internet, this was a real pop culture "moment."
@Mugthraka
@Mugthraka 6 ай бұрын
Also Batman is more interesting as a character honestly. He's a man with flaws and in gripes with his own demons and Traumas, who tries to make a better world even if he has to use methods that would also earn him to be thrown in jail. Superman is just, OP...
@Chasmodius
@Chasmodius 6 ай бұрын
@@Mugthraka It's kind of funny to me that because Superman is so overpowered, the only real personal emotional struggle the writers could come up with for him is staying grounded and "human" in an attempt to keep himself from just going full dictator and taking over the world. Supposedly, that's the _real_ reason he works at the Daily Planet as Clark Kent.
@garrettreganhobbs6949
@garrettreganhobbs6949 6 ай бұрын
Not only did Prince make songs for the movie, but he also made a song to promote the movie "Batdance". It went to number one on the charts for one week in 1989.
@NearEastMugwump
@NearEastMugwump 6 ай бұрын
And it was *weird as all hell*.
@de68a
@de68a 6 ай бұрын
Also a "Batman" album - he played "Partyman" and "Scandalous" live throughout much of the rest of his career but the rest of the songs he barely (if ever) played.
@jesoko6724
@jesoko6724 5 ай бұрын
Yep. He was supposed to basically be “scoring” the movie until Burton realized pretty late in the process that the music Prince had written didnt match the vibe he wanted. So he tapped Elfman, who had never scored a movie before. I’m pretty sure that all the diegetic music in the film (at least with words) is all music Prince wrote for the movie.
@greenbeech3055
@greenbeech3055 6 ай бұрын
Back then, making a serious movie about a comic book was considered ludicrous.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 6 ай бұрын
Not quite. Richard Donner's *Superman* had already been out for 11 years by that time, and it was a massive success. It was more that a serious Batman was a risky venture because the Adam West show was still so popular and had shaped people's view of the character.
@Cadinho93
@Cadinho93 6 ай бұрын
Tim Burton's "Batman" films still has best atmosphere there is. Music, gothic-horror style, color palette added with Danny Elfman's intense theme. Never fails to give me goosebumps. Also, not just a Jack Nicholson dance routine, a Jack Nicholson dance routine set to a Prince song. This movie is gold.
@justindenney-hall5875
@justindenney-hall5875 6 ай бұрын
"Vicky Vale" was created to be Batman's equivalent of Superman's "Lois Lane".
@Don-ol8ze
@Don-ol8ze 6 ай бұрын
Nolan's Trilogy may be "realistic" (in tone, if not in concept or plot execution), but Burton's two films are unsurpassed when it comes to sheer gothic mood and personality. This film manages to be both a fun superhero film, and take itself seriously with some pretty subtle work and acting when it comes to Bruce's trauma. And Jack Nicholson's Joker is supremely quotable. Also, the acclaimed animated series was clearly founded on Burton's vision. So it deserves a lot of props.
@jrobwoo688
@jrobwoo688 6 ай бұрын
“I am the terror that flaps in the night, I am the fingernail that scrapes the blackboard of your soul.” - DarkWing Duck
@user-qp4xq5jd3g
@user-qp4xq5jd3g 6 ай бұрын
For many of we older fans the 60's TV Joker was Cesar Romero. He refused to shave of his trademarked pencil mustache and so they just powdered over an obvious mustache. That's how camp it was.
@martynhill3479
@martynhill3479 6 ай бұрын
I would love to see Simone and George react to the 60's Batman film, it's so camp it's basically a comedy
@cormano64
@cormano64 6 ай бұрын
@@martynhill3479 It wasn't just "basically" a comedy, it was *literally* one. Directly pulled from the censorship-enforced silliness of the superhero silver age comics. They made the best they could with the limited source material of the time.
@Nizamm1
@Nizamm1 5 ай бұрын
That just showed how unprofessional he was and he didn't give a damn just to get it done
@jomeke101
@jomeke101 6 ай бұрын
I love to see young people trying to wrap their brains around these classic movies. I was 26 when this movie came out and the whole world went Batmania. The younger generation not having lived it and experienced it at the time need to understand that they will never understand how monumental this movie became in 1989. Even though I do love the Nolan Batman trilogy, Batman and Batman Returns will always have a special place in my heart.
@user-yg4id4oi5d
@user-yg4id4oi5d 6 ай бұрын
In one of his interviews, Jack Nicholson said that Batman is one of his favorite films because the studio and the director had no influence on him and he just had fun and got drunk until he lost consciousness. Nicholson was drunk in all scenes of the film.
@timhibbard4226
@timhibbard4226 6 ай бұрын
Joe Chill is historically the murderer of the Waynes not the Joker. Nolan uses the character in his first movie and how he portrays him is typically how is portrayed, as a desperate street level crook. Burton was probably aware of the character but wanted to make the story in his film a little more self contained and also more dramatic.
@RustyChilders
@RustyChilders 6 ай бұрын
Probably also didn't expect to turn this into a series when he first made it either. This was more popular than expected, I'm pretty sure.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 6 ай бұрын
Chill is in the movie, as Napier's sidekick during the origin sequence. This is per co-producer Michael Uslan, who's still involved with the Batman movies to this day.
@Cheepchipsable
@Cheepchipsable 6 ай бұрын
There is this unfortunate trope that events have to refer back to themselves and be connected in media. People have been trained to expect it.
@Stogie2112
@Stogie2112 6 ай бұрын
When this film was first released, fans were supremely excited. Theaters were PACKED. Then, when the Batmobile was first shown, audiences all gave a loud "OOHHHH WOW!" It was magnificent!
@SJ-ty5rw
@SJ-ty5rw 6 ай бұрын
I saw it opening night as when i was a kid . The line to get in was out to the parking lot .. lol
@Mugthraka
@Mugthraka 6 ай бұрын
The Thumbler is cool and all. But THIS is the coolest Batmobile, i had a keychain of this when i was a Kid, kept it for 12 years till the thing nearly fell apart.
@gluuuuue
@gluuuuue 6 ай бұрын
Yup. My family stood in a line that wrapped all the way around almost the entire theater and it wasn't even opening night anymore.
@eddiejravannen
@eddiejravannen 6 ай бұрын
Fun fact. The in lore reason for the bright yellow bat symbol is to draw gunfire to the most armored part of his suit.
@MrUndersolo
@MrUndersolo 6 ай бұрын
I really cannot explain just how popular this was when it came out. I finished an exam, caught a bus, went downtown, and waited in line for my friends to see it. They even handed out free comic books at the theatre and I just remember our minds being blown away by this! Still one of the best cartoon-themed comic book movies ever!
@klemminguk
@klemminguk 6 ай бұрын
I think the main reason for Batman not showing a lot of martial arts stuff was that Keaton literally couldn't do it in the suit. As a massive rubber monstrosity it looked great, but seriously limited mobility. (Nolan's Batman is the first live-action one to get full movement of his head, and even that took more than one movie to get right)
@Rocket1377
@Rocket1377 6 ай бұрын
Keaton also injured his back in a horse riding scene that got deleted from the film, so they had to use a stuntman for most of the Batsuit scenes (apart from the close ups) while he healed up.
@taejaskudva2543
@taejaskudva2543 6 ай бұрын
Came here to say this. But weirdly, I feel like the immobility of the suit added a weird, other-worldliness to Batman, his whole body having to rotate to look around or navigate corners. I know it wasn't specifically the case, but I could see Tim Burton making the suit very constricting just to make movement seem creepy and alien.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 6 ай бұрын
@@taejaskudva2543 The Batsuit in the 1989 film weighed between 80 and 90 pounds. Carl Newman, the ballet dancer who doubled for Keaton in many scenes, had to use all of his dance training to make the suit flow as needed. (Newman's involvement with the franchise was limited to this film, due to the sequels filming in Los Angeles instead of England.) In *Batman Returns,* the suit got whittled down to 55 pounds. In *Batman Forever,* they got the suit down to 35 pounds (although Val Kilmer thought it felt heavier because it was still painful and constrictive to wear). In *Batman & Robin,* they switched over to using a latex foam for the bodysuits as opposed to using straight latex, resulting in a 14-pound costume that was easier to move in. But between the latex foam and the neoprene undersuit, the suit was still unpleasant to wear and felt heavier than it actually was. George Clooney remarked that even lifting his arms over his head was uncomfortable, and that he felt like a little kid could beat him up easily.
@ThreadBomb
@ThreadBomb 6 ай бұрын
The main reason for no martial arts stuff is that Batman '89 was made well before that kind of combat became a thing in Hollywood movies. AFAIK Blade is the movie where that really started, a decade after Batman.
@alucard624
@alucard624 6 ай бұрын
At least it gave us the epic Bat Turn.
@fynnthefox9078
@fynnthefox9078 6 ай бұрын
When it was announced that Michael Keaton was going to be Batman, fans were furious because he was just in Beetlejuice and they couldn't see him as Batman. But that's what makes it so genius, Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne, I would believe it if someone said he was Batman. Keaton's Bruce Wayne would be the last person I'd suspect of being Batman.
@Deegee_1969
@Deegee_1969 6 ай бұрын
We were also upset as it seemed Adam West had being overlooked or forgotten about. But as it turned out, Keaton did an ok job with the character.
@kenchristie9214
@kenchristie9214 6 ай бұрын
Keaton is a better Batman than Bale. Keaton was able to change his entire persona between Wayne and Batman, giving the impression that he was dual personality. All Christian did was just talk in that raspy voice.
@terrylandess6072
@terrylandess6072 6 ай бұрын
So Keaton messes with Baldwin, then gets to mess with Baldwin's girl. Hollywood writes 'itself'.
@chuckshingledecker2216
@chuckshingledecker2216 6 ай бұрын
When Heath Ledger was announced as the Joker fans had a similar reaction to the reaction my generation had to Keaton. Both turned out to be fantastic in their roles.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 6 ай бұрын
@@Deegee_1969 The only way you could have used West in this movie would have been to cast him as Commissioner Gordon. He would have been too old to play Thomas Wayne and never would have agreed to the role even if he'd been offered it (and it would have come off as an insult to older fans), and having him play an older Batman was never an option. In fact, one of the TV show's producers pitched a movie sequel to the series to WB around this time, and the pitch was so awful that WB doubled down on doing a full reboot with a new cast. (One of the proposed gags in that failed pitch? Bruce and Dick burning their crotches on the Batpoles due to not having used them in years. You can see why WB was less than impressed.) Keep in mind, DC Comics at the time was very hateful toward the Adam West version of Batman in general, and was hellbent on pushing Frank Miller's psychotic, villain-in-hero's-clothing reboot of Batman. So overlooking and disregarding West was intentional at the time. It took decades before DC finally was forced to accept that the West version of Batman was never going to go away and made peace with it.
@andrewgrant6516
@andrewgrant6516 6 ай бұрын
In the comics, Batman's parents were killed by an ordinary criminal called Joe Chill. The movie decided to switch it to Joker for the "I made you? You made me!" symmetry. Fyi, they were killed on the way home from the cinema, having just watched The Mask of Zorro. Clark Kent was also at the same cinema that night with his parents, but they watched To Kill A Mockingbird. Don't forget to also give a react to the 1966 Batman: The Movie. It's what these four movies are in opposition to, and the Clooney one purposely leans back towards it. For thirty plus years, to the general public, this was Batman.
@treetopjones737
@treetopjones737 6 ай бұрын
Clooney still apologizes for it.
@marqmorningstar
@marqmorningstar 6 ай бұрын
On the original Nintendo Entertainment System(NES), there is a Batman game. Also Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were originally one universe. There was supposed to be a Batman vs Superman movie and Nicholas Cage was Superman. He had long hair like in ConAir and wore both the blue suit and the black suit. Then there was supposed to be a Batman Arkham Asylum movie with Scarecrow and all the villains capture Batman and put him on a conman led court trial. And Batman even was supposed to see Joker via the Scarecrow toxin. The plans for the 2 movies were cancelled after Batman and Robin didn't make as much money as the studio expected.
@djsone3499
@djsone3499 6 ай бұрын
It's important to remember for context that at the time this was the first onscreen depiction of Batman since the campy Adam West version. By contrast, this was dark and a novel approach. I saw this at the theaters when I was 7, so this is the definitive version of Batman for me.
@terrylandess6072
@terrylandess6072 6 ай бұрын
It was only campy if you were older. I was 9 and it was the greatest thing on TV. I try to remember that when today's kids get excited over 'stuff'.
@ThrashCommand
@ThrashCommand 6 ай бұрын
Keep in mind no-one in the mainstream population read comics. This film captures the aesthetics of the comics from that time almost perfectly.
@JebWCManning
@JebWCManning 6 ай бұрын
You two should definitely watch Batman Mask of the Phantasm and Batman the Animated Series. Both feature Kevin Conroy as my favorite Batman and Mark Hamill as my favorite Joker.
@parker469a
@parker469a 6 ай бұрын
There are a bunch of BTAS episodes that are really good especially in the first season or two. After a while they started changing the design and trying to tone it down on the more adult themes. The first round of Clay Face, Man-Bat, and HARDAC are all pretty memorable to me. The ending to the first Baby Doll episode is pretty bitter sweet as well. "Robin's Reckoning", "Night of the Ninja", "Day of the Samurai", "His Silicon Soul" and "Perchance to Dream" as well. Anyway, I would say "Under The Red Hood" and "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" are really good as well. Ra's al Ghul with Talia is also interesting.
@Jpew2007
@Jpew2007 6 ай бұрын
@@parker469aI forget what season it is (I’m pretty sure it’s season 2 but due to “production code” or something it might be considered season 3) but one of the best episodes is “Trial”. Anybody else agree? Disagree?
@J_Gar
@J_Gar 6 ай бұрын
Might as well just watch a lot of DC animated series/films. Arguably better than most of the live-action presentations.
@bullseyecello
@bullseyecello 6 ай бұрын
Part of me hopes you watch the 66 Batman movie for some lighthearted fun
@stobe187
@stobe187 6 ай бұрын
Mask of the Phantasm just might be the best Bats movie out there.
@1938superman
@1938superman 6 ай бұрын
14:22 For a long time I didn't think that Vicki Vale existed before this movie, but apparently she existed in the comics all the way back to 1948. I believe she's always been portrayed as a journalist in one way or another and usually centered around investigating Batman. This apparently isn't even the first time she appeared on screen. The character was in a Batman adventure serial back in 1949 called "Batman and Robin."
@nimblehealer199
@nimblehealer199 6 ай бұрын
Canonically, Joker didn't kill Bruce's parents. A thug named Joe Chill did. The chemical company is named Ace Chemicals, no Ajax
@tracy4290
@tracy4290 2 ай бұрын
...different medium, different canon.
@DaveCiskowski
@DaveCiskowski 6 ай бұрын
This film plays so differently now compared to when it came out. In 1989, superhero TV and movies had mostly been pitched at kids. The Christopher Reeve Superman wasn't a kids film really, but it was definitely kid-friendly and wholesome. Then Burton came out with this film, which had a far darker edge to it, and more complicated themes. It wasn't "adult" in the sense of an R rating, but it was pitched for adults moreso than kids. So yeah, it's definitely got its campy side and its humor... but it was a new thing in its maturity, and it was both a huge hit and had a good bit of critical acclaim. The later films in this series (culminating with Batman and Robin) leaned more and more into the campy side, which turned them into jokes in the end (as George rightly calls out). I think after that bombed, the lesson was learned that people didn't need so much of the silliness to enjoy the films, and that they could lean into the more serious tone. So now that we've had Nolan and Bale and Ledger and Phoenix, the dark and gritty side is completely ingrained for us. But this was completely surprising and different at the time.
@mattd7828
@mattd7828 6 ай бұрын
Many great points here, but as a kid from the 80s, the one thing most of these comments seem completely oblivious to is Adam West's Batman from the TV series. I vivdly remember at the time this Batman movie came out, many parents were drawing fond comparisons to that show and Burton's many nods to its camp humor, while also embracing Burton's darker edge (as you noted).
@Liofa73
@Liofa73 6 ай бұрын
Yeah it definitely had more of a comic book feel like the 60s show.
@Xanderj89
@Xanderj89 6 ай бұрын
The more cartoony ones will always have my love, it fits the comic vibe more before everyone went all le darque edgelord
@cormano64
@cormano64 6 ай бұрын
@@Liofa73 A 1960's DC superhero comic book feel, to be more correct. Comic books were always far more than just simple plots with costumed people being silly for child audiences.
@drudle
@drudle 6 ай бұрын
Simone's love of her own intros is always my favorite. She has pure joy over the chaos of it all.
@CraigKostelecky
@CraigKostelecky 6 ай бұрын
Even if I haven't seen the movie they're reacting to, I'll always check out the intro.
@imbateman
@imbateman 6 ай бұрын
This was the first great bat suit. Everything before this it was basically blue spandex. By far the best car as well. This pretty much set the stage for all the movies to come.
@SG-js2qn
@SG-js2qn 6 ай бұрын
Keep in mind that in terms of lore, there's been like 30 years of Batman stories since this film came out. They went with more of the classic, very early Batman. Early on, there was not much said about Bruce's family or Gotham. That was not a prominent part of stories. In fact, Arkham Asylum didn't get invented till '74. As for Batman, my understanding is that he's supposed to be in his 20s when he dons the cape, but Michael Keaton - as is often the case with actors - is about 10-15 years older than he should be to be playing the role. They always want a leading man with gravitas, which virtually always results in hiring an older actor, like Maguire's Spider-Man, who once again was about 15 years older than the character he was portraying. Vicki Vale's first appearance was in 1948. The Jack Napier identity for Joker was invented for this movie, but the vat of chemicals origin is classic lore. Also, Batman's abilities and tech have been greatly leveled up in the last few decades. For the first few decades, he used to wear a cloth suit that was getting ripped all the time. Now he's like Iron Man, and he doesn't even bother to dodge bullets. Originally, he didn't really have the ability to glide, and mainly was just running around at street level in his cape and sometimes swinging from a batline that was thrown, not a powered grappling hook. He did have the full set of vehicles early on, and he did have the bat cave. His early martial arts training was along the lines of some boxing and judo. Early on, your average person could get the drop on him and knock him out.
@Mugthraka
@Mugthraka 6 ай бұрын
Also unlike what you would see today, it was easier to have your life under warps than exposed to everyone. Nowadays its impossible for a celibrity or billionaire to wipe his ass, without twitter and the media writting about it 5 mins later. But this is still a movie that takes places in the 80's, so with the correct ways and "bribes" it would have been easier as a Billionaire to keep things under wraps and people would've forgotten about it, specially if it happened in the late 60's. Plus while being important in later Lore like Nolan's trilogy, the Waynes, despite their wealth, were Less Public figures.
@RonJomero
@RonJomero 6 ай бұрын
Billy Dee "Lando Calrissian" Williams took the small roll of Harvey Dent because he understood what villain he'd become. Unfortunately Burton never did more than 2 Batman movies and Williams never got the chance. He did get some redemption by voicing Two-Face in the Lego Batman movie (which many unironically consider to be one of the best adaptions of Batman to the big screen).
@lainwakura
@lainwakura 6 ай бұрын
i weep for the two-face we could have gotten with billy dee williams. i would have LOVED to see him as Two-Face.
@timhibbard4226
@timhibbard4226 6 ай бұрын
They actually recently did a comic miniseries titled Batman ‘89 and it was written as Tim Burton’s unmade sequel. The story features William’s Dent becoming Two-Face. The artist for the series is really good at likenesses/caricature too, so his art of Dent looks like 90’s Billy Dee. There is a sequel coming out now and it stars a certain Dr. Crane drawn to look like he is played by Jeff Goldblum. It’s definitely worth a read for anyone who likes comics and was bummed we never got that sequel.
@cedricbrookins4851
@cedricbrookins4851 6 ай бұрын
Marlon Wayans was going to be robin but still got pay for it.
@The-Underbaker
@The-Underbaker 6 ай бұрын
He also got paid a lot of money due to his contract which guaranteed he'd play Two-Face, but when Joel Schumacher (aka the man who killed Batman) wanted Tommy Lee Jones they had to buy him out of the contract.
@johnbernhardtsen3008
@johnbernhardtsen3008 6 ай бұрын
thanks to Mcdonalds!they paid a couple of millions to endorse the 3rd movie, so they had a say in it!they didnt wanted a darker movie than the 2nd which Burton was moving towards!they didnt want the baddie to kill anyone in the movie, so WB paid back the money and got sued since they probably already had made bat toys for Kids Meal!
@davidmcleod5133
@davidmcleod5133 6 ай бұрын
Anybody who says this is too cartoonish or campy, you GOTTA look at what Batman had been before this came out: the Adam West TV show, and Super-Friends. That was it! That was all the exposure the general non-comic reading public had to the character. Given what had come before, this was mind-blowing at the time.
@smavtmb2196
@smavtmb2196 6 ай бұрын
I went on my first date to this movie when I was 14 We were both so nervous that shortly after finding our seats she spilled the popcorn, and I spilled our drinks. Fortunately the theater was nice enough to replace everything. I remember the theater was the old Richmond Square Famous Players cinema beside the mall in my home town of Richmond BC.
@MoleyRusselsWart_
@MoleyRusselsWart_ 6 ай бұрын
I watched this in the cinema and audiences were so freaked out! We’d never seen anything like it.
@miriam8376
@miriam8376 6 ай бұрын
Supposedly, Jack Nicholson loved playing the Joker. He seemed to put a lot into the character, so the feeling that things seem forced is probably either a bit of 80s humor not quite landing for you or a purposeful character choice to complicate his personality. Joker is, after all, born out of a real person who probably didn't like losing himself to madness. It's an interesting idea, that Napier is still in there somewhere, fighting against losing himself.
@Cheepchipsable
@Cheepchipsable 6 ай бұрын
I think the makeup didn't help either.
@treetopjones737
@treetopjones737 6 ай бұрын
A great moment showing who he is as a person is when his girlfriend says "You look great!" and he responds "I didn't ask."
@ericstarkey551
@ericstarkey551 6 ай бұрын
Michael Keaton surprised me, I was so used to his comedic roles, I didn't think he would make a good batman. I saw this and he killed it. He is the best Batman to date.
@dante340
@dante340 6 ай бұрын
6:26 Harley Quinn actually didn't exist yet at this point in time! She was not introduced until an episode the animated series a few years after this film
@PenneySounds
@PenneySounds 5 ай бұрын
Harley Quinn didn't exist yet as a character at this point. She was created for the Batman animated series that started around the time of this movie's sequel. She was an original character for that series.
@speedy_brennan
@speedy_brennan 6 ай бұрын
In this version Batman is more detective. I watch another video that points out that Jack becoming Joker didn't change him. It just made the outside match the inside and be himself. Also Bruce is more of a confident person as Batman implying Batman is the real him.
@fynnthefox9078
@fynnthefox9078 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, Jack was already crazy before becoming the Joker.
@yvonnesanders4308
@yvonnesanders4308 6 ай бұрын
Here Bruce is more socially awkward
@jessecortez9449
@jessecortez9449 6 ай бұрын
Bruce is more confident as Batman because Batman is his true (internal) identity. Bruce Wayne is the mask. That version of hin died with his parents in the alley.
@redmoonbloodmoon3161
@redmoonbloodmoon3161 6 ай бұрын
Young Jack Napier was free and able to just have fun, his psychotic murderess carefree-ness, his true and enjoyed nature of chaos and anarchy Old Jack Napier was restricted and confined, and was dead inside within that criminal business system/group, trying to work his way up, having lost his youthful "freedom" and fun "innocence" in becoming the Joker (his acid-bath/chemical-mutation), Jack Napier was able to once again be his true self, of being free and having fun again, his true nature of chaos and anarchy
@KevinKrayden
@KevinKrayden 6 ай бұрын
​@fynnthefox9078 he was an A1 nut boy and Grissom knew it.
@VforVictory00
@VforVictory00 6 ай бұрын
The Wayne family are one of the founding families of Gotham. The reason many people aren't aware of Bruce Wayne is because comic book-wise, the lore is that after his parents death, he travelled the world learning criminology, hunting/tracking, martial arts, etc., so people don't really know much about him or what he does because his family name was out of the public eye for many years. Also, in the comics, it was a common criminal known as Joe Chill (same as in the Nolan movies) that was responsible for the Wayne's murder.
@1newbert
@1newbert 6 ай бұрын
The Waynes being a big famous family is new canon. In the original Batman origin, you never know who the killer of his parents was.
@SaulOhio
@SaulOhio 6 ай бұрын
I think this movie was just the right balance between gritty realism and comic campiness. It came out about when the generation that watched the Adam West Batman had grown up and wanted something more serious and adult. But it still acknowledges that a guy dressing up as a bat and fighting crime at night is very unrealistic.
@bamzilla.
@bamzilla. 6 ай бұрын
Jack Palance, who plays Joker's boss, was one of the great old-Hollywood villain actors. Iconic.
@Stogie2112
@Stogie2112 6 ай бұрын
He was a natural. For one thing, he had "the look". How could he NOT play a villain, vampire, or creepy guy?
@bamzilla.
@bamzilla. 6 ай бұрын
@@Stogie2112 Right?! Him and Vincent Price.
@Stogie2112
@Stogie2112 6 ай бұрын
@@bamzilla. ... and Christopher Lee. Then comes Donald Sutherland and his son, Kiefer. They all have The Look!
@bamzilla.
@bamzilla. 6 ай бұрын
@@Stogie2112 I've never put the Sutherlands in that "villain" community because most of their roles are "good" or good-ish characters. But they definitely have the look.
@reidmason2551
@reidmason2551 6 ай бұрын
Palance could play heroes pretty well, too. He's terrific as the wise (if crusty) cattle driver in *City Slickers.*
@okeefe757
@okeefe757 6 ай бұрын
Vicky Vale debuted in Batman #49 in 1948. And Harvey Dent comes back in Batman Forever played by Tommy Lee Jones.
@jeffk.9075
@jeffk.9075 6 ай бұрын
Vicky to Batman was supposed to be what Lois is to Superman.
@martynhill3479
@martynhill3479 6 ай бұрын
She came back to the Comics in the 1970s as well
@BubbaCoop
@BubbaCoop 6 ай бұрын
Billy Dee Williams only took the role of Dent because he thought he'd get to play Two-face eventually.
@SimoExMachina2
@SimoExMachina2 6 ай бұрын
If you wanted a Disney reference, you could have gone with "I am the terror that flaps in the night. I am the bubble gum that sticks to your hair. I am... Darkwing Duck!"
@skiptrace1888
@skiptrace1888 6 ай бұрын
Batman is a comic book hero. It is supossed to be unrealistic and with unexpected gadgits. What doesn't make sense is trying to make him into a "serious" character, like the later movies do. Enjoy it, it is a fun trip! You don't go to roller coaster ride and complain that it can't take you to your job.😊😊😊😊
@chappie_nottherobot
@chappie_nottherobot 6 ай бұрын
Simone’s Batman Returns story was very innocent and wholesome. I’m sure I would have had the same experience in my youth if my Grandma didn’t own the first one on VHS and all I saw was the poster for Batman Returns when my family and I went to Red Robin every weekend.😂 Now I’m stoked for George to witness Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. He will be appropriately SCROUSED when he sees her. Maybe Penguin too, who knows…
@jimhsfbay
@jimhsfbay 6 ай бұрын
I laughed at that opening!
@autoworld9681
@autoworld9681 6 ай бұрын
Batman Returns... is awfuI.
@blackraven85_1
@blackraven85_1 6 ай бұрын
​@@autoworld9681 Um, that's your opinion. Batman Returns was darker and I love it
@Stogie2112
@Stogie2112 6 ай бұрын
@@blackraven85_1 .... Yes, we all have our opinions about the Batman films, and no one is wrong. The same goes for any film. Some people like it and some don't. It's all just entertainment. It's not worth all the bickering.
@cormano64
@cormano64 6 ай бұрын
@@Stogie2112 That was a very polite response to a very categorical and negative take. No bickering to be found there.
@ceruleanblu3184
@ceruleanblu3184 6 ай бұрын
Nolan’s “Bat Man” was so grounded in reality and plausibility, to the point where it was more of a straight-up crime thriller than a superhero movie, and the idea of The Penguin was considered too silly to be considered as a future villain. This Batman universe had fantastical elements to make it more dynamic and comic bookish.
@jessecortez9449
@jessecortez9449 6 ай бұрын
Nolan definitely made a psychological crime drama more than he made a comic book movie. He also infused a whole lot of James Bond since he's always wanted to direct a Bond movie. He made Lucius Fox into Q for Batman giving him all his tech gear. Most of the action scenes are almost direct copies of Bond action and crime thrillers like Heat.
@Johnny_Socko
@Johnny_Socko 6 ай бұрын
I was actually a little disappointed in the second movie because of how realistic it went. Like, "That's not Gotham City, it's just Chicago!" Whereas Batman Begins had a lot more of that stylized version of Gotham.
@jessharvell1022
@jessharvell1022 6 ай бұрын
one of the reasons i dislike dark knight rises (aside from the fact you could kinda tell nolan only made it because they bankrolled inception) is because it's super over the top but nolan also wants it to be gritty and realistic, never quite comes together for me.
@Johnny_Socko
@Johnny_Socko 6 ай бұрын
@@jessharvell1022 I had the exact same reaction. Conflicting styles that each detracted from the other. I much preferred the first two Nolan movies.
@ThreadBomb
@ThreadBomb 6 ай бұрын
@@jessharvell1022 I think it works. I find it more satisfying than pure fantasy or pure realism.
@brianwashines2645
@brianwashines2645 6 ай бұрын
It's crazy how much Tim Burton was my childhood, with this and "Beetlejuice". Not only do I remember how phenomenal the trailer and ad campaign were but the moment my dad told me that we were going to see this. Batman was everywhere in 1989. You can imagine how much an 8-year-old little guy just loved every minute of this movie.
@crwydryny
@crwydryny 6 ай бұрын
Fun fact: the surgical props used in joker's facial reconstruction are the same props from the dentist in little shop of horrors Bob kane who created batman personally viuched for castingnjack Nicholson as the joker Michael ketonn hated the batsuit because it set off his claustrophobia, but bith he and burton decided it would help his performance (which isnwhy he looks so uncomfortable) The last act in the cathedral was tacked kn last minuet by producer jon peters behind burtons back. The film was filmed in london with many ofbthe extras actually being british. Sean young (rachel from bladerunner) was originally cast as vickie vale but was injured in a horseriding accident just before filming so had to drop out The film was released on the 50th anniversary of the day that the first comic depliction of batman was released. The axis chemical plant was the same disused powerstation used to film aliens, and even still had then hive set inside During filming kim basinger split from her husband and hooked up with producer jon peters resulting in jack Nicholson calling her out for showing upmlate because she was "f#*king the producer" When vicki and knox are exploring the mannor and looking at the armour the jokes were all adlibed The famous "I'm batman" line was adlibbed by keton. In the script he says "I'm the knight" Keton being cast as batman was on purpose because he looked the least likely to be batman Originally batman's parents were killed by a random thug, when the creator saw the film he kicked himself for not thinking of it himself calling it genius. For a while it was batman lore among other people over the years, but officially it was joe chill
@silentjay01
@silentjay01 6 ай бұрын
Mark Hamill has the best interpretation of Joker, but he probably benefits from getting so much material to work with in tv, animated movies, & video games as opposed to just a single movie for most others.
@pigs18
@pigs18 6 ай бұрын
Mark Hamill and Heath Ledger's Jokers don't exist without Nicholson's Joker.
@RazbaqueDirge
@RazbaqueDirge 6 ай бұрын
Kevin Conroy is my Batman... Mask of the Phantasm (1993), yo'.
@OzBaxter
@OzBaxter 6 ай бұрын
When actual good comic book movies equaled SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN II from 1979, getting this ten years later was an absolute delight. The world went BAT-NUTS. I'm not exaggerating. Billboards, teeshirts, music....Batmania broke heavy into mainstream and has been since that moment.
@treetopjones737
@treetopjones737 6 ай бұрын
The Juaquin Phoenix Joker is an alternate universe, not canon. A speculative "what would a realistic human Joker be like?" film.
@infin8um
@infin8um 2 ай бұрын
​@chandllerburse737they kept flip-flopping over Joker's origin story to the point where they did a limited series with four canonical Jokers in it.
@NoelMcGinnis
@NoelMcGinnis 6 ай бұрын
“That’s why you don’t get your surgeons from Wish”. 😂 That was a good one George.
@richwagener
@richwagener 6 ай бұрын
As a Batman fan, I knew Jack Nicholson could portray the Joker once I saw him in The Shining.
@lazyperfectionist1
@lazyperfectionist1 6 ай бұрын
12:46 "Could you pass the salt?" "Sure. Go long."
@O_Towne_Bear
@O_Towne_Bear 6 ай бұрын
This movie made Nicholson HUGE cash. He took a small fee for the roll in exchange for a percentage of the backend (all toys, collectables, t-shirts...everything).
@williamirwin4154
@williamirwin4154 6 ай бұрын
Fun fact. Some of the surgery tools used by the guy who worked on Joker are the same props used by Steve Martin's dentist character in Little Shop of Horrors.
@LacoSinfonia
@LacoSinfonia 6 ай бұрын
Jack Nicholson isn’t short (5’10), Jack Palance was decently tall (6’3)
@doughbafett
@doughbafett 6 ай бұрын
Nicholson is NOT 5'10". I don't care if that's what he's listed at. He looks maybe 5'8" in his movies at best. Watch him standing right next to Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men and how they're essentially the same height.
@TheDevilsReject2785
@TheDevilsReject2785 6 ай бұрын
@@doughbafett It's well known that Tom Cruise has been known to stand on things to raise his height in movies, particularly in two shots with another character that he doesn't wanna look tiny next to.
@meu02136
@meu02136 6 ай бұрын
5 “10 is still pretty short. Maybe not in America but in Europe it is.
@wilder11
@wilder11 6 ай бұрын
LOL unfortunately 5'10" is still too short by many people's standards. XD
@Wittynametag
@Wittynametag 6 ай бұрын
@@meu02136 average US male height is around 5'10 behind a lot of EU countries, like the Netherlands and Estonia where it's over 6ft.
@aarrgghh
@aarrgghh 6 ай бұрын
while the toxic-waste-burned joker origin (1951) first appeared a full decade after his debut (1940), this movie was the first to put the joker behind the trigger that killed bruce wayne's parents. canonically, the waynes' killer was a nameless stick-up man, who was eventually given the name joe chill in 1948, as seen in the nolan version.
@DumblyDorr
@DumblyDorr 6 ай бұрын
So, how much German Expressionism do you want in your sets and costumes? Tim Burton: Yes
@DoppelSkumm
@DoppelSkumm 6 ай бұрын
Bruce Wayne and fame.... You need to remember that in the 80s there was no internet. There was no ability to google someone and find out their entire life history. Unless you read the newspaper at the time, you were unlikely to have known anything about Bruce Wayne's parents and nothing about him as a person at all if he didn't advertise himself or get himself in the papers alot. The whole "Bruce Wayne is a multi-billionaire and could buy half the city" is a reasonably new thing and the story works better if he is "just" a multi-millionaire. Once you start get billions then he could do far more to help the city through direct funding and support than running around beating up badguys where as a millionaire detective with gadgets it makes sense that he does what he does. Great reaction, can't wait to see Batman Returns here!
@MaskedSongbird
@MaskedSongbird 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, in retrospect making Bruce Wayne into a guy who's richer than god (if you'll pardon the expression) was a really bad move. It's no wonder you get so many people these days trying to argue that he's more villainous for his inaction as a philanthropist when modern tellings of the Batman story seem to do everything they can to make him less sympathetic by making him richer and richer. It's even crazier because of just how unnecessary it is--when being a millionaire is more than enough to make him into an eccentric high-tech detective, there's really no need to make him a Bezos-level billionaire magnate. Personally, I blame this problem primarily on DC's insistence on having Batman be in the same universe as all their other heroes--when you have almost literal gods among men, the only way a guy like Batman can compete is if he has enough wealth to be able to artificially recreate similar capabilities. As good as Justice League stories can be, I personally think that the JLA was probably the biggest misstep they could have made with regard to how the writers over the years have handled Batman as a character.
@bigsarge8795
@bigsarge8795 6 ай бұрын
I graduated high school when this came out, and the movie was EVERYWHERE. The soundtrack from Prince was just icing on the cake.
@JurassicReptile
@JurassicReptile 6 ай бұрын
this movie's Joker is probably the most accurate to comics (at least the ones I've read). He's psychotic and scary but still really funny, I love all of the joke-themed gadgets that he uses.
@Bat-Twenty-Two
@Bat-Twenty-Two 6 ай бұрын
Even though the actor could not turn his neck, I think the Keaton cowls are a lot cooler-looking than what we'd get in later films.
@christopherbowers7236
@christopherbowers7236 6 ай бұрын
the music from this movie has become THE batman theme, it was the theme of the animated series that came after this for years.
@JH-lo9ut
@JH-lo9ut 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, Danny Elfman is really the star of the movie.
@rylok
@rylok 6 ай бұрын
"Were those cabbages?" "Is this Avatar?" - two questions I did not expect in Batman. :D :D :D :D
@phantomzone2725
@phantomzone2725 6 ай бұрын
I'm so happy you're watching the ORIGINAL version, because now they re-released the movie with a blue filter and added new sound effects, especially on the guns and the punches, removing all the noir aesthetics. It's a totally different movie now
@tristramcoffin926
@tristramcoffin926 6 ай бұрын
I grew up with this Batmobile in my uncle's warehouse. It was won by someone from my hometown in an MTV contest and subsequently stored many years. Pretty cool when you are a teenager and anytime you go see your uncle at work you get to see the Batmobile again.
@Cotsos88
@Cotsos88 6 ай бұрын
This WAS the most serious and grounded Batman we'd gotten at that time. :)
@Retec
@Retec 6 ай бұрын
A thumbs up for Simone's "Pew. Pew. Pew." joke! 🤣
@TorchySmurf
@TorchySmurf 6 ай бұрын
I did not get it
@WG55
@WG55 6 ай бұрын
@@TorchySmurf Hint: What are the seats in a church called? 🤫
@hbron112
@hbron112 6 ай бұрын
Great reaction, and really great comments. This Batman was much closer to the comics of the 50s and 60s where everything was over the top with giant props and big fights. And the first Batman was a 1930s movie serial (like Buck Rogers) which is fun. The Batmobile was a 1936 Buik lol.
@HypoRex
@HypoRex 6 ай бұрын
Here is something funny, if you time from joker called the chooper til it finally arrives, it takes exactly 10 minutes just like joker asked
@Gr8movies12
@Gr8movies12 6 ай бұрын
That small effect of Joker wiping his forehead to show the white underneath was an incredibly difficult effect to pull off. If you’re interested definitely check out some of the behind the scenes features.
@infin8um
@infin8um 2 ай бұрын
Jack is also allergic to spirit gum, so the Joker prosthetics would be more difficult to work with.
@timhibbard4226
@timhibbard4226 6 ай бұрын
Vicky Vale does appear in the comics as a side character and occasionally love interest for Bruce. However her most prominent appearances beyond this film were arguably in the classic Fox Batman the Animated Series from the 90’s. In that show she was actually a tv news reporter and basically appeared any time Bruce or other characters were watching the news on the show.
@fynnthefox9078
@fynnthefox9078 6 ай бұрын
Summer Gleason is the reporter in TAS.
@moviewatcher1127
@moviewatcher1127 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, I was just about to comment on this, she's been around since the 40's apparently, and has her own Wikipedia page. Also known as Victoria Vale, and seems to have been mostly associated initially with investigating the stories around Batman or the links between Wayne and Batman.
@SauerkrautSandwich93
@SauerkrautSandwich93 6 ай бұрын
22:15 FUN FACT: When the designers showed Tim Burton the design for the Batmobile, Burton replied "Great! Where's the door?". The top opening up was a last-minute edition that proved to be affective.
@dcaslick
@dcaslick 6 ай бұрын
When this movie came out my brother and I spent 5 hours in line to see it the day of its release. I can remember the lineup for it went around the block. It was insanity.
@RazbaqueDirge
@RazbaqueDirge 6 ай бұрын
Mark Hamill is my Joker... Mask of the Phantasm (1993), yo'.
@merchillio
@merchillio 6 ай бұрын
The Dark Knight trilogy is amazing, but Keaton will always be my Batman
@Lightningrod75
@Lightningrod75 6 ай бұрын
Vicky Vale's first appearance was in 1948. Harley was a character created for the animated series that would debut a few years after this movie. Most continuities, the Waynes are killed by Joe Chill or someone nameless. Being killed by the Joker is a rarity.
@alien5589
@alien5589 6 ай бұрын
lol. Nice bit for the ad. I appreciate that y’all had fun with it!
@JeffKelly03
@JeffKelly03 6 ай бұрын
“I thought Jack Nicholson was a big guy” - it’s easy to look small next to Jack Palance. He was 6-4, and a Western movie legend, most famously as the villain in the movie “Shane.” (Well, his most famous role now is probably “City Slickers,” for which he won an Oscar, but in terms of classic Westerns.)
@anthonyleecollins9319
@anthonyleecollins9319 6 ай бұрын
Burton said at the time that he had to work to find an actor who could convincingly intimidate Jack Nicholson. Height was a factor, but Palance also had tremendous presence.
@nsasupporter7557
@nsasupporter7557 6 ай бұрын
@@anthonyleecollins9319fun fact: Jack Nicholson wasn’t interested in playing the Joker at first, so they teased Robin Williams with the role… and Williams said yes. So they told Nicholson that Robin Williams was gonna take the role if he didn’t do Nicholson changed his mind. So they basically used Robin Williams as bait which is pretty f*cked up
@captainchaos3667
@captainchaos3667 6 ай бұрын
This was halfway between silly, campy 60's Batman and serious, gritty 21st century Batman in every sense.
@Rocket1377
@Rocket1377 6 ай бұрын
The big difference is that this still feels like a comic book movie. Whereas the Nolan movies onwards decided to take a fantastical character like Batman, and attempted to make him fit into the real world (which doesn't work, in my opinion). It's virtually impossible to imagine superpowered Batman villains like Clayface and Mr. Freeze in his version of Gotham.
@stephensmith8316
@stephensmith8316 6 ай бұрын
​@@Rocket1377I've always felt that as well. He's a comic book character and this feels like a super hero movie off the pages of a comic book. The Nolan movies didnt do anything for me. Too much dialogue and boring at times and lacked the feel of theatrics and a good score.
@terrylandess6072
@terrylandess6072 6 ай бұрын
I've seen every live adaptation of Catwoman and I can't deny the 60's Batman gave us Julie Newmar and was never topped (no pun intended).
@cormano64
@cormano64 6 ай бұрын
​@@Rocket1377 It's always deemed impossible until someone comes along and does it. For the ones who are not in the business of creating, they only believe in what was already done because they can't imagine something besides what they've already seen.
@lemonherb1
@lemonherb1 6 ай бұрын
Having young Jack kill the Waynes was something Burton did for the movie. As far as I can recall, this was the first live action superhero presentation where the character wore a molded muscle suit. All superhero characters had some variation on the concept afterwards. Even Henry Cavil's Superman suit had some padding. I think I recall hearing in the news that Prince was paid $2M to do the soundtrack. I loved Simone's "Pew pew pew" joke!
@evanwarped5870
@evanwarped5870 6 ай бұрын
OMG, I was looking away when the commercial started and I totally thought that was an ad from KZfaq. It took a second for me to go "wait, that sorta sounds like...". 😂 Killer job. Now I'm already smiling before the movie starts
@MrGorn25
@MrGorn25 6 ай бұрын
I remember getting the VHS for this for my birthday from my dad, I watched it soo much that it wore out the tape in the cassette. I would run around my living room with a batman mask and cape a act out the scenes with my dad. LOOOOVE THIS MOVIE and best Joker tied with Dark Knight.
@sheens43
@sheens43 6 ай бұрын
We got the VHS for Christmas when it first came out, I still remember that Christmas, 35-odd years later. We watched this basically on repeat
@aaronberger9377
@aaronberger9377 6 ай бұрын
One thing I always got a laugh about with the VHS was the Diet Coke advertisement before the movie actually began. Michael Gough must have been paid well for that, especially with the long sigh of enjoyment after taking a sip at the end.
@Rocket1377
@Rocket1377 6 ай бұрын
I always wanted to be the Joker for Halloween. He stole the show in this movie.
@stevenricks1703
@stevenricks1703 6 ай бұрын
When this film came out in 1989, the only other superhero films around were the Christopher Reeve Superman films, which were made in 1978, 1980, 1983, and 1987. Batman was much darker and felt very serious and gritty in comparison.
@Journeyman.71
@Journeyman.71 6 ай бұрын
I was a senior in HS when this came out, and, for a comics geek, it was absolutely astounding! The thing about this film, as opposed to the Nolan movies, or the Snyder-verse, or that dreck starring the sparkly vampire boy, this movie was/is like a Batman comic come to life!
@armchairgravy8224
@armchairgravy8224 6 ай бұрын
Jack Palance saying, "You're my number one guy" is iconic. You both need to check out the '60s Batman with Adam West! Yes, there was a movie made in 1966. Yes, it's called Batman. So complete the reverse chronological order, dang it!
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