BATMAN 1989 ISN'T PERFECT

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BATMAN 1989 ISN'T PERFECT

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Batman 1989 is one of the most beloved Batman films of all time... but does it really hold up?
Let's find out!
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@yogenz Жыл бұрын

A lot of people make the confusion, but Batman is not sleeping when he's upside down. He's clearly moving his arms in the scene and he wakes up on a sofa. He's most likely simply bored out of his mind as he's usually on the streets during that time, but instead Vicki is there.

@StudMacher96 7 ай бұрын

Exactly. No human can eve sleep like that anyway 😂

@mitchbray6637 Жыл бұрын

I think Bruce not knowing that Jack was his family's killer until he saw him again, could be explained by trauma. Maybe he had blocked out the face of his family's killer? That's a possibility.

@owie4070 Жыл бұрын

That makes sense to me

@mattjacobson3616 Жыл бұрын

It could be that or it could be he was so young at the time. Im not saying that im right just throwing it out there.

@benraffe1817 Жыл бұрын

Right, and his repressed memory was triggered by the Devil in the pale moon light phrase

@SidNightWalker Жыл бұрын

Well Napier looked completely different anyway. He hadn't suffered an unfortunate chemical mishap yet, and was far younger on top of it. Perfectly explainable actually.

@Xman_supreme Жыл бұрын

Man that scene where Joker is backing out of Vicki's apartment laughing...always gives me Tim Curry Pennywise vibes and it's creepy af.

@michaelsinger4638 Жыл бұрын

Honestly it always felt to me like Burton wasn’t that interested in Batman himself. The villains got more focus than Batman did. This REALLY was the case in the second film.

@KenMasters. Жыл бұрын

No wonder, because I wanted Robin to be in the movie as Batman's equal rather than his sidekick. (With Johnny Depp playing him.) Everytime a director makes a Batman movie with a dark-setting, they always have something against Robin.

@speedracer1945 Жыл бұрын

If you notice Jack got top billing over Keaton and paid more .

@Wh4L205 Жыл бұрын

@@speedracer1945 Bc jack is the reason the studio cut the big budget check. No one but Tim burton wanted Michael Keaton to play Batman.

@Gogetta80 Жыл бұрын

Batman 89 was a Batman Burton film. Batman Returns was all Burton but I loved it

@Ian-hj4yt Жыл бұрын

@@Gogetta80 Not really

@chomama1012 Жыл бұрын

I find it weird that Jack Nicholson is still probably most comic book accurate Joker that we've seen in live action movies... but I think that has more to do with how movie makers simply refuse to give us a "comic booky" Batman and instead focus on "realism" which saps a lot of the fun you can have with the character

@234cartmanrules Жыл бұрын

Nah man you can totally do a realistic joker, I feel the closest we got was the end of 2019s joker sure it was a little “we live in a society” cringe, but the way he carried himself, the dancing, the difference between his laughing sickness and his genuine laughing at the end was pretty good

@234cartmanrules Жыл бұрын

Actually I take it back Cameron monoghan sold a live action mark hamill pretty well

@undeadcowboy1266 Жыл бұрын

@@234cartmanrules are you a monkey or what the dude literally said they gave us a comic book movie

@arcadeassassin7176 Жыл бұрын

Yea I don't understand why they keep doing that. They should use the more fantastical comic booky elements. An idea I've had for a while like to see is a tv series where each season would be based around a different era of the comics and would be made using the filmmaking techniques of that time. So season one would adapt comics from the 30s and be made in the style of a universal monster movie. season two would do the 40s and so on and so forth. also batman would start as a silent protagonist who delivers his first line at the end of the first season. Batman would begin season two as the more ruthless version from the golden age and his character ark from there to season four would see him slowly softening and becoming more like the batman of the Adam West series. season 5 would see Dick Grayson going off to college as batman has to adapt to the changing landscape of Gotham City. I could go on but you get the idea.

@jamesoblivion Жыл бұрын

I think the issue with Nicholson's Joker (aside from retconning him into the Waynes' killer, and killing him off at the end) is that, while he's obviously inspired by the comics, the inspirations aren't consistent. Often, he's a menacing Modern Age Joker, but just as often, he transforms into a goofy Silver Age Joker. Those are two very different characterizations, and they never quite mesh.

@Trekapedia Жыл бұрын

I think in the novelization or comic book for the movie, it was said Vicki Vale didn’t really reside in America much. She was traveling the world and was localized in Corto Maltese if I remember the name of the place where she lived before correctly. So that could explain why she didn’t know who Bruce was or his background until she moved back to Gotham.

@thomasgoree7976 Жыл бұрын

You're right actually she was a photojournalist and she did work all over the world she wasn't based in Gotham city like Lois Lane is mostly in Metropolis

@IcyDiamond Жыл бұрын

While I do like the Tim Burton movies, I feel they’re always more focused on the villains and the love interests then on Batman, and I wish Batman got a bit more love in them

@JunAoi Жыл бұрын

That's legit my biggest problem with the movie. It's like 80% Joker, 10% Gotham, 10% Batman, and like.. if you wanted to make a Joker movie... they did one in 2019. I guess it took 30 years for a remake.

@Aistis1918 Жыл бұрын

I disagree. This entire movie is about Bruce choosing to be Batman while sacrificing his chance at happiness with Vicki.

@StevieStitches Жыл бұрын

He gets love from Vicki Vale and Selina Kyle in them

@StevieStitches Жыл бұрын

In 1985 Tim Burton was gonna do a Batman origin movie as Tim's script treatment with Julie Hickson shows, but the screenwriter Sam Hamm got the idea to instead treat Batman as a mystery so Batman (1989) plays up Batman's mysteriousness in the shadows, which is back to how Bill Finger originally did it in 1939, his origin wasn't revealed until months later in a two page origin. Sam Hamm explained in Back Issue 113 (2019), "You don't start with Batman's origin. That's the mystery. Batman is a mysterious vigilante, a shadow, a rumor. He has the Gotham underworld in a panic. Which happens to be exactly the way he was introduced in Detective Comics #27 [1939]." Batman needs a strong nemesis. Of course Jack Nicholson Joker steals the movie. Jack Nicholson stole Batman (1989) and Heath Ledger stole The Dark Knight. Tim Burton explained in the book Burton on Burton, "There is an inherent difference in the characters. The Joker is an extrovert and Batman an introvert. So you can't match the energy, the balance. You have this character [Batman] who always wants to remain in the shadows, to remain hidden. If these two were standing on the street, Batman would always be wanting to hide [in the shadows], whereas The Joker would be, 'Look at me. Look at me.' So that's part of what the energy of it was. I certainly wasn't less interested in Batman, it's just that he is who he is, and The Joker is who he is. Some people got it, some people understood it. Obviously, a lot of people thought The Joker was the thing, but a lot of people found Michael [Batman] to be more compelling because of that. He captured a certain subtle sadness in his character. And there was a pent-up, bottled-up feeling to him."

@Critic_Chris90210 Жыл бұрын

@@JunAoi TDK doesnt count? That film was more focused on Joker than Batman. Same goes for TDKR as for villians being focused on over Batman. Imo, Batman Begins to date is only one most focused pn both Bruce Wayne/Batman.

@VI_V2 Жыл бұрын

The first and last of the month and every Sunday are going to be for re-uploads, remasters, and compilations. Any videos that were taken down or have been altered---- like having one of the new background tracks added to it. I've mentioned this in my discord and twitter, so here it is here. Trying to be as transparent as possible here.

@InspectorSpacetime333 Жыл бұрын

I think Bruce hanging upside down has been misinterpreted for years. He's not sleeping. He's moving, so he's not sleeping. I think the scene is meant to imply that he doesn't sleep at night. You know, because he's Batman. He's restless and exercising, and I think Vickie waking up in that moment is meant to be somewhat of a "huh, he's upside down. That's odd" moment.

@xenos_n. Жыл бұрын

I was born in 1984 so you can imagine how this was a very formative movie for me. I remember the hype and marketing was insane, the movie was huge, the toys were awesome, and the NES game was dope as hell and had excellent music. The movie just had an aura that no other movie had, and the nostalgia for all things 1989 Batman is potent. It's not a movie I like to judge in hindsight, it's one that I like to bring me back to that time it came out.

@jackthomas6952 Жыл бұрын

84 baby myself! First movie I saw in a theater at 5 yrs old in 89.

@interstellaroverdrive3658 Жыл бұрын

You nailed it.

@snbks4ever Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the 1989 Batman movie but my favorite Batman and Joker representation is from the DCAU, especially the Batman animated series from the early 90's and Justice League. Great Retro spective

@featherguardian6023 Жыл бұрын

I Know Batman 1989 isn’t Perfect but in my Honest Opinion it’s One of the Best Batman Movies that Revolutionized the Lore Forever to a Parody from a Serious Tone,Plus Micheal Keaton and Jack Nickelson portrayed Batman and the Joker very and is Better than the Dark Knight Trilogy.

@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын

You didn’t like Ledger as the Joker or the movie? What did you think of the solo Joker movie (I think that it was decent. Not really good, but decent .)? Can you review that one?

@random__joe Жыл бұрын

Fair points. The Adam West version was so campy, which was great for the time, but the combo of Burton and Danny Elfmans iconic score really showed the tone that batman was a right on the line of psychotic/heroic

@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын

@@random__joe - I think that Burton’s version is also better than Snyder’s version in Batman Vs Superman .

@moonknight4053 Жыл бұрын

I think the 89 movie is on par with the raimis spider man movies, I just didn’t like that Batman killed. He’s way more interesting when he has morals.

@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын

@@moonknight4053 - I agree. I didn’t mind it in the first Burton movie, but I hated him killing in the Snyder movie.

@illithidlore Жыл бұрын

It's best to ignore Batman fans when they complain about casting. They said that Michael Keaton would be awful and unbelievable as Batman (which is kind of the point of Bruce Wayne), I remember Adam West expressed disappointment in not being approached to reprise the role, people thought Ledger would be awful, people thought Bale would be great, people thought Robert Pattinson would be bad...the majority of Batman fans are wrong about casting pretty much all the time.

@KenMasters. Жыл бұрын

The most interesting thing about how Michael Keaton played the role: As Bruce Wayne, he looks like Tom Hanks. As Batman, he talks like Charlie Sheen. It makes sense because both Hanks and Sheen turned down the role of Batman before Keaton took it.

@tyronetnj79 Жыл бұрын

Man I loved Prince’s soundtrack in this😩😭

@middleschoolgravy Жыл бұрын

I love this flick, but there’s always things I catch in rewatches that kind of baffle me. Why does nobody seem to know who Bruce Wayne is? They’re at his party and they don’t even know what he looks like? Isn’t he like “famous”, at least by Gotham City standards?

@MistyDusker Жыл бұрын

I never realized how ridiculously handsome young Joker is in this movie. Hugo E. Blick's face had to have been sculpted or something. Jesus Christ. I'll also say I enjoyed this film but felt like it was more style over character, dialogue, and story. It's quotable but kind of missing something. Nicholson is one of my favorite actors so he's my favorite Joker.

@mikesteelheart Жыл бұрын

If you watch closely during Bruce Wayne's party scenes you can see that same actor playing an extra in the background...

@talariswatts-el9196 Жыл бұрын

Good video and good review. However I think the prince music works for The Joker's colorful personality.

@lonreed9743 Жыл бұрын

At the time, Batman was bigger than Superman. People were ready to pay over $100 for a VHS copy before it released months after theaters. Watching now, it has its flaws but still stands as a classic. Good soundtrack also.

@SeasideDetective2 Жыл бұрын

My personal theory is that the Joker targeted Vicki specifically not because he found her sexually attractive, but because he hated women - and "beautiful" blond women in particular. He blamed his near-death and disfigurement on a woman, after all, and this woman looked not unlike Vicki. I think this could be true especially because it is true in real life. Many rapists, for example, are not attracted to the women they rape. But they do feel a lot of fear and anger toward women, and rape can be a way of expressing these emotions. Also, serial killers who have stalked women have often expressed misogynistic attitudes.

@rickjay2011 Жыл бұрын

This is a very good theory.. I never looked at it like this before.

@mangrove Жыл бұрын

A Star Wars reunion of sorts: not only Bill Dee, but also Porkins (Eckhart) and Biggs (the dad of the family that gets mugged at the beginning of the movie).

@Bundeskaiser Жыл бұрын

I think the changes to the Joker's origin in the movie worked quite well in the context of the movie, I really liked this symbiotic relationship concept. It's a matter of taste if you like it or not. But for me, it's a great bit of character work when you see it over the first 3 movies where Batman develops into the character we know, at least when it comes to the no kill rule. I think that Jack had some relly great Joker moments. The exact moments that the Ledger Joker did not have and when he did, they were almost 1:1 copies from this movie. That's why I think that Heath - while his performance was really good - wasn't a good fit for the Joker. Or the movie didn't handle him well. He would have been a much better Anarky. Yes, this movie isn't perfect and even I don't like all scenes in it. The whole museum scene and the music aren't my cup of tea, this doesn't serve a real purpose for me. But overall, they give me what I want from the characters. Maybe I'm biased because I'm both a fan of Jack and Burton. But both Burton movies are the gold standard for me, even when they are not perfect. I think Batman and Burton were the perfect match, because unlike some others, I want my comic book characters to feel like comic book characters. Not in the campy way of Adam West, but with the awareness that they are comic book characters. That's why an attempt to show a "realistic" Batman doesn't work for me, especially not with the villains movies tend to select because they are popular.

@pinoyjona Жыл бұрын

I always find it interesting how older fans who grew up with the 1989 Batman makes it sound like the 1989 is the holy grail of Batman movies for decades. One guy I can think of who praises it heavily is the Nostalgia Critic. I only watched his video once so I can’t recall everything, so I remember him admiring it more than criticizing it and had to be reminded the issues from other KZfaqrs on the film like Vee here.

@randallflagg3700 Жыл бұрын

Pretty much everyone praises it heavily, but the movie deserves such praises... before 2008 with *"The Dark Knight"* , it used to be everyone's favorite Batman movie, (sometimes tied with his direct sequel, both Tim Burton's Batman films were always highly regarded). And for a while, TDK became the new Holy Grail, and if before that Jack Nicholson was considered untouchable as the Joker, the frenzy peaked with Heath Ledger's Joker, to the point where lots of people love to repeat the same thing as before, "he will never be topped!" Now that we got *"The Batman"* in 2022, there's a third candidate for the "Holy Grail"... I guess I'll always be a little bit sad that we never got that solo Batfleck movie with Deathstroke and Leto's Joker (with much better material than what he got in the SS cut we got... I liked him much more in JL Snyder cut), it could have been a nice way to say goodbye to the DCEU for good, instead of getting a non-released Batgirl solo movie... Oh well, I better enjoy Batfleck in the upcoming Flash movie then. Just 9 days left...

@cesaracosta5483 Жыл бұрын

Not only that. Most act like it’s the definitive version of the character from comics and the movie itself took a lot of the freedoms with the source material.

@vincentharris2259 Жыл бұрын

@@cesaracosta5483 Batman 89 Could Of Been Better

@WhoCaresAnymoreTho Жыл бұрын

It is the best just accept it lol

@edgaracajabon9522 Жыл бұрын

Nahhhh I think Batman 89 was more authentic than Christian Bale. Bale just felt fake compared to how Keaton portrayed the Dark Knight Detective

@KenMasters. Жыл бұрын

One thing that superhero movies were always missing is an entire rogues-gallery of villains brought to live-action, namely: B A T M A N • Black Mask (played by Clancy Brown) • Carmine Falcone (played by Robert de Niro) • Deacon Blackfire (played by David Carradine) • Joker (played by Jack Nicholson) • Professor Pyg (played by Bob Hoskins) • Ventriloquist & Scarface (played by Mel Brooks) B A T M A N R E T U R N S • Catwoman (played by Michelle Pfeiffer) • Killer Croc (played by Michael Berryman) • Killer Moth (played by Christopher Lee) • Man-Bat (played by Christopher Lloyd) • Penguin (played by Danny DeVito) • Ragdoll (played by Will Smith) B A T M A N F O R E V E R • Deadshot (played by Wesley Snipes) • Deathstroke (played by Dolph Lundgren) • Riddler (played by Robin Williams) • Two-Face (played by Billy Dee Williams) B A T M A N & R O B I N • Blight (played by Andrew Bryniarski) • Clay Face (played by Tommy Lee Jones) • Firefly (played by Robert Englund) • Mister Freeze (played by Patrick Stewart) B A T M A N U N C H A I N E D • Calendar Man (played by Bruce Willis) • Cornelius Stirk (played by Anthony Hopkins) • Creeper (played by Jim Carrey) • Harley Quinn (played by Madonna) • Hugo Strange (played by Sean Connery) • Victor Zsasz (played by Ben Kingsley) B A T M A N W O N D E R L A N D • Bane (played by Arnold Schwarzenegger) • Mad Hatter (played by Prince) • Poison Ivy (played by Nicole Kidman) • Scarecrow (played by Brad Dourif) • Tweedledee (played by Jack Black) • Tweedledum (played by Meat Loaf)

@PeterParker-ff7ub Жыл бұрын

Alfred is perfect in this. batman isnt psychotic, he only wants to actually solve world problems

@yuri7885 Жыл бұрын

Batman in these movies kills so many people tho lmao

@moonknight4053 Жыл бұрын

Keaton is Bateman tbh but if he didn’t kill people in the movie…. He would’ve been perfect, joker was pretty gud but yeah I didn’t fully like him. Like cmon what? He’s joe chill?? Bruh

@marionlawless Жыл бұрын

Another alternate universe Alfred: John Cleese

@calebfasnacht8698 Жыл бұрын

Personally, I like this Joker. If I had my way, every Joker would be different to every other one across mediums. That way, I get to be surprised whenever I see people inevitably ignore all of Bats' other rogues gallery in favor of the clown.

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Жыл бұрын

If Batman 89 is the best Batman movie then It's begins

@NeutralChaotic Ай бұрын

What?

@chrisl4422 Жыл бұрын

Batman is a masterpiece. One of my favourite movies. As a mature, gritty, lively, fantasy, crime, action movie it can't be beat.

@SidNightWalker Жыл бұрын

It's pretty goddamned close, all things considered. Now Batman Returns, on the other hand? Perfection.

@mikesteelheart Жыл бұрын

Other way around. Burton got too zany and weird with Returns which is why it was better he had less creative control from the studio like in 1989...

@SidNightWalker Жыл бұрын

@@mikesteelheart ummm, weird, yes, because weird is Burton's bread and butter and he is a master at it. Zany? Not so much....a movie where you send out an army of penguins to, say, steal stuff would be zany. An army of penguins equipped with rocket pods that can genuinely blow shit up and kill people is bizarre, and wonderfully creatively brilliant darkness. If you can't tell the difference, then you are the unfortunately all too common standard viewer of art that doesn't comprehend a damn thing about it, now more than ever these days in particular, with the endless inanity of stupid complaints about genuinely well crafted movies and shows, just because they don't follow some bog standard plot.

@chadarcher13 Жыл бұрын

Joker disfigured and eventually killed Alycia because its implied that she ratted him out to Carl Grissom regarding their affair.

@randallflagg3700 Жыл бұрын

When is this implied?

@chadarcher13 Жыл бұрын

@@randallflagg3700 well not ratting him out on her own but I always figured that Eckhart knew: "where ya been spending your nights" Alycia knew that he knew: "if Grissom knew about us, he might hand you something" Alycia was probably confronted by Grissom with Eckharts info and admitted to it which Joker would have taken slight against for sure, enough to disfigure and eventually kill over

@robertbarnes1828 Жыл бұрын

Omg you're right. I have never put that together.

@davidsavage5630 Жыл бұрын

I always thought he just disfigured her for two reasons. To make her "beautiful" like him and because she was the catalyst for Grissom betraying him. Whether she ratted him out or not..

@Chuck_EL Жыл бұрын

vee, the reason why is because michael jackson was supposed to have duet/battle soundtrack with prince as "the joker" of it and michael as the "batman" of it michael turned it down, which he did alot then

@YSL8704 Жыл бұрын

This is the reason they didn't cast Billy Dee Williams as Harvey in Batman Forever: "I always wanted Tommy Lee Jones," explains the director. "I didn't consider Billy Dee Williams for the role, because I think that he is a hero. I always see him like Clark Gable. I had just finished working with Tommy Lee Jones on The Client, and I thought he would be a great Harvey Dent\Two-Face."

@paulcarpenter7844 Жыл бұрын

I personally love this movie I grew up with this movie I love all the different Batman and I also love the detective Batman the Batman

@camaronshoultz6137 Жыл бұрын

I think you’re missing the point on a lot of this. And I think it’s more egregious that Knox didn’t know what Bruce looked like at the party even though he’s a reporter in Gotham. That’s far worse than not knowing about his parents.

@cynicalthoughts4695 Жыл бұрын

Vee ... you were the chosen one 😢 😂 i agree with you, i love batman 89 because it was my introduction to a serious cool batman but even as a kid i wasnt happy with some parts like the museum scene, it was weird. But still one of my all time favorites movies 4ever, but indeed it ain't perfect.[also keaton's bats un-alives ppl with no remorse lol]

@Dr_1212 Жыл бұрын

Batman Dedication 🦇 It was good movie

@54raynor Жыл бұрын

I’m only now realizing just how much the first Batman movie has in common with the first Superman movie. Neither title character gets much in the way of development, both villains get way more attention (and are closer to Bond villains than anything), and all of the side characters exist primarily to react to the existence of a superhero. Along those lines, Michael Keaton is Batman for the same reason Christopher Reeve is Superman: they were the first to do it on the big screen. Don’t get me wrong: both were great in their respective roles. But the biggest reason is because they were the first to do it on the biggest stage and therefore set the standard going forward.

@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Жыл бұрын

No movie is perfect, I never heard someone say Batman is perfect

@emperorsean1 Жыл бұрын

I always found jack nickolson was just playing himself rather than the joker. I never thought that this was Mark Hamills joker. Traditionally batmans villains have always been older then him. I've never seen joker as the same age as batman. Also its interesting having the joker be the killer of batman's parents but canonical it's Joe chill.

@docbones213 Жыл бұрын

The movie of the decade! 🤣🤣🤣 This was phenomenal at the time.

@devontehuntley6274 Жыл бұрын

Is this a reupload because I recall this same video lie a year ago and it says you uploaded this almost two months ago.

@chrisbell6471 Жыл бұрын

Bruce isn’t sleeping upside down like a bat, he is working out because he can’t sleep. Look at the scene more closely

@davidsavage5630 Жыл бұрын

It always looked to me like he was reflexively moving his arms in his sleep. That's how I saw it anyway. But I can accept either explanation. Either way it still gets the point across. Batman is inextricably tied to his psyche..

@billa107 Жыл бұрын

It’s not really a perfect film. But it is iconic and well acted and directed. It just needed that streamlined story to drive it. Because it feels like more if I’m watching a series of Joker plots and Batman having to stop him and court Vale.

@johnnytobin5203 Жыл бұрын

No said this is perfect, just classic

@letsgetdangerous1925 Жыл бұрын

I can understand your logic on the Joker and the killing and everything. But how, when going into the positives of this movie, did you fail to mention the amazing Bat mobile and Bat plane and the scene of it making the bat symbol with the moon?

@jackvalentine5784 16 күн бұрын

This film is still till this day the best live action film along with "Returns". If it wasn't for this film we wouldn't have the modern Batman. The Animated series which is the definitive version of Batman was inspired by this film.

@THEBATMAN_396 Жыл бұрын

It's not perfect but it's still the best live action batman movie

@DeAngryDan Жыл бұрын

You know what else is far from perfect..The Batman.

@HistoryandHeadlines Жыл бұрын

I still liked it overall, though.

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Жыл бұрын

Didnt you already do this video? I know for a fact you already made this video

@Lusciouslysorry Жыл бұрын

This movie does NOT showcase Batman as an expert in hand to hand combat. Batman gets his ass handed to him repeatedly. He struggles with almost every single henchman. In regard to fighting, this movie is probably more realistic than any of the "realistic" versions of Batman movies. This Batman is NOT the master martial artist from the comics.

@KenMasters. Жыл бұрын

You know what Batman also struggles with? The way the costume-designers made his mask, Keaton can barely move his head. Why couldn't they just make it a removable, pointy-earred, Bat-helmet instead?

@HeroJournalism Жыл бұрын

12:51 - when Batman '89 came out, the guy that played Knox did an interview where they asked him if there were plans for a sequel, and he went on and on about how he hoped so, so we could see where his character goes, but he kind of made it sound like he was playing the main character.

@anthonyclark9441 Жыл бұрын

I usually agree with you, but you lost me with this one.

@marvelstarwarsfan8410 Жыл бұрын

In my opinion,I didn’t like the Joker’s Preformance and I personally never really liked Michael Keaton as Batman and Also I thought Vicky Vale was a nothing character,I agree I didn’t like the Joker being responsible for creating Batman,and I didin’t like Batman killing.

@Che1Angelius Жыл бұрын

I always thought the Joker is older, but not high age range. The Joker is weird, he was red hood and had a child. Batman/Gordon protects them. Weirdly enough, he semi cares about Punchline than Harley. Harley was manipulated, but Punchline choose and accepts. Punch seek him out, Harley did too but for psychiatrist exam. edit: He did sex with both, I am thinking he was bored.

@Witt2687 Жыл бұрын

No offense, but isn’t this just a re-upload of “WHY I DIDN’T LIKE BATMAN (1989)”? Feels like I’ve seen this re-uploaded into a few videos 🤔

@pheenmachine Жыл бұрын

Did you get Matt Berry to do the opening?

@D35p3r4d0 Жыл бұрын

That's it, Vee, we're done. ...j/k '89 was my Batman. Kinda still is, really. I keep going back to it and just loving every second of it. For me it just feels quintessentially 80s and Keaton is my favorite Live-Action Batman for various reasons. Jack's Joker is still my favorite as well, despite how much I loved Heath Ledger's portrayal. That being said... I was three years old when '89 came out and I grew up with the Animated Series thereafter. I recall this was probably the first time my father and I disagreed on something so fundamental in my upbringing, because he grew up with and loved the Adam West show. As I grew I exposed myself to everything Caped Crusader. From the old comics my dad still had, to the new stuff being produced in the 90s and nearly everything I could get my hands on pre-Internet. This gave me a greater understanding of the characters and what I loved about them. And despite my previous statement of still loving this movie, I have to agree with you on many of your points. In fact, '89 is still my favorite Batman movie to watch, but is not my favorite Batman movie. That title now goes to The Batman. And although I still love Keaton and Nicolson, my favorite portrayals of the characters are Conroy and Hamill. '89 is my favorite movie to put on and get my dose of nostalgia and love for the character, but it is far from the best Batman depiction out there today. However, yes... It is thanks to '89 and everything that it both got right and got wrong, that we have what we have today. Keep up the great work, man. Love your channel, and it's not just because we have a very similar mind about this stuff.

@Axetwin Жыл бұрын

I agree, it's not "the best" but it's still pretty darn good. I enjoy this one and Batman Returns because the characters in the movie isn't treated like a joke AND it still has a sense of fun while being serious. Batman Forever and Batman and Robin both take the series too far into the childish. While the Nolan trilogy and The Batman both take the source material too seriously. I hate this idea that Batman must be brooding about his parents death at all times, and if he isn't well then that's just not Batman. Which for a franchise that is as heavily invested in mental health as it is, I think is a bullshit take. On the topic of race swapping. There are times when race doesn't matter to a character, and times when it does. As you said, Harvey Dent worked his way up through the ranks based on guile and charm. I would argue that story works BETTER when it's told from the perspective of a Black man. But anyway you want to look at it, Harvey being white doesn't matter to his character. But there are few Black men like Billy Dee who could've made that work. And finally, one of my favorite quotes still to this day is "you are a vicious bastard Bertelli and I'm glad your dead!". It still cracks me up, and I don't think anyone BUT Jack Nicholson could've pulled it off.

@dreadhoney4373 Жыл бұрын

Um reupload??

@kevin10001 Жыл бұрын

To be fair if it wasn’t for my favorite version of Batman from 1966 the 89 movie wouldn’t exist cause Batman was declining in sales in the 60’s and dcwas on the verge of canceling him but the success of the show and movie saw a resurgence with what was called batmania and his sales picked back up saving Batman from cancellation by dc but for me it’s because of the 89 movie Imy 5 year old self ound Adam west’s version cause a second wave of batmania happened for the 89 movie and Adam got syndicated on family channel now known as freeform and that’s where my love of Batman started but has grown into a general love for Batman as a character Also the series and movies started my love of behind the scenes information by looking online for ways to watch the series when it wasn’t being syndicated and finding the websites with the information on them to now watching interviews the cast has done over the years talking about the series and movie Michael is in my top 3 of Batman actors

@bruceradau4096 Жыл бұрын

I can't help but agree even though the first ever movie I saw in theaters was Batman Kevin Conroy is my Batman. Since Kevin's untimely passing Michael is the only other living man I Trust when he says " I AM BATMAN"

@sidd_not_vicious2609 Жыл бұрын

love this movie..I remember the crazy Batmania that was everywhere that year..was sixteen when it came out..long ago

@thegladve Жыл бұрын

I don't know about you guys but I miss the clown aspect in the clown prince of crime when talking about the Joker, the closest that came to recapture that energy was Cameron Monaghan but even then it became a show reel for the history of the character rather than a separate thing standing on it's own and I don't know about you but I love the idea of the Joker being a sociopath that terrorizes Gotham just to amuse himself.

@alchemistofsteel8099 Жыл бұрын

Its only a matter of time. I have fairh in James Gunn

@d.t.sdimensionstheaterstud4410 Жыл бұрын

Will you do more Buffy videos?

@thomasgoree7976 Жыл бұрын

I always thought that the joker was a little older then Batman

@supergeoff Жыл бұрын

I understand man but I enjoy it

@docbones213 Жыл бұрын

He's been using Brand X!!!

@aultra-magawhostandsagains7974 Жыл бұрын

I don’t like that The Joker is Bruce Wayne’s parents murderer. It doesn’t make any sense at all,yet even after Burton and Keaton are gone this is still canon in Shumuchers “Batman Forever”,when Robin moans and says “your parents weren’t killed by a homicidal maniac” with Val Kilmer’s reply “yes they were”.

@KenMasters. Жыл бұрын

They wrote it like that to force some kind of way to get Batman heated against the Joker, too us both of course this is lazy and uninspired. The best old-school revenge story was when the Joker crow-barred Robin II to death. I'd rather see a live-action version of that, but superhero films unfortunately often kill off the villains during every final battle, instead of coming back for more like Darth Vader.

@aultra-magawhostandsagains7974 Жыл бұрын

@@KenMasters. I always hate it,when they kill The Joker,I thought his animated version death made sense when Tim Drake killed “The Joker”. It was showing The Joker went too far.

@kolbythurlow2422 Жыл бұрын

imagine back than instead of playing The Joker Jack Nickleson was cast as Harvey Dent/Two-Face

@fmyates 7 ай бұрын

I always thought the Prince music was the music that was playing on local radio stations in Gotham City. If there’s a bat guy running around in your city? I’m sure the local bands in clubs are writing and playing songs about it.

@helixsol7171 Жыл бұрын

You ever dance with the Devil in the pale moon light?

@Anthonycheesman33 Жыл бұрын

No movie is perfect though especially over time .

@theresidentteacher2438 Жыл бұрын

People MIGHT SAY this is the BEST one because it's the COOL thing to say....LIKE YOU SAID KEATON "IS" BATMAN. 🤔 I seem to remember you saying that about Kevin Conroy also. Imo, i think Batman Begins or The Batman are the Best movies with Batfleck being the most visually accurate. You make some good points though.

@t0k3verse Жыл бұрын

Why do I feel like I've watched this before now?

@starman9933 Жыл бұрын

Why reupload a video with a different name and thumbnail?

@tainadesouza28 Жыл бұрын

Joker being Joe Chill in Tim Burton's movie, probrably inspired Todd Phillips. 😅

@user-dk9vt2eq3u Жыл бұрын

It's different times today. Back then a race swap wasn't a big deal because actors were still cast on merit. Billy Dee encompasses the smooth politician and fit for Harvey Dent. Today race swaps are done for click bait Twitter hype and hate clicks. The actors usually do not encompass any qualities like the original and the white male characters are written to either die and make way for the diversity hire or be utterly incompetent or a villain.

@tornadochaser2457 Жыл бұрын

Harvey Bullock is unpleasant to work with as he can be gruff, rude, and abrasive, but, although he can be scummy, he has passionate morals, and is not a dirty cop - I assume this is why chubby Lt. Eckhart isn't a dirty cop in the film, and I think fans would definitely agree that this is the right call.

@mikearchibald744 Жыл бұрын

The very first scene when he says "i'm batman' is so cheesy that its ridiculous. Who wouldn't laugh their ass off at that point.

@andrewgordon7662 Жыл бұрын

I really wish Tim Burton understood the relationship between Batman & Jim Gordon. Other than 1 scene in Batman Returns they have no relationship and barely work together to stop crime in Gotham. It made since in this movie because Batman was still a mystery and Gordon didn’t know if he could trust him but no excuse in Batman Returns

@coreybuystedt Жыл бұрын

I agree with almost all of this. As a kid I was always confused about bruce sleeping upside down lol. I was all waaaa? 😑

@davidsavage5630 Жыл бұрын

Whether you think he's asleep or not...I don't see how it's confusing. Bats hang upside down. Bruce is hanging upside down. Tim Burton likes on the nose visual metaphors..

@PeterParker-ff7ub Жыл бұрын

Not one movie is but people will act like certain movies are.

@pinkraven4402 Ай бұрын

Burton's movie did Bruce/Batman super well and Nolan's movie did Joker super well, but not vice versa

@JaydenBowman-vf4jg Жыл бұрын

13:19 I’m happy it wasn’t Harvey Bullock. While he’s got the look and mannerisms, Harvey was never a dirty cop, just a dirty man. He may take things into his own hands from time to time but never to the level of dealing with the criminals

@LukeLovesRose 3 ай бұрын

I don't remember anyone ever saying Batman was perfect. It's still a great movie and a great Batman movie

@Batman88878 Жыл бұрын

Gotta disagree that the movie showed the perfect balance of Batman. It's not his movie & he's the title character. I maintain that Joker is the protagonist, while Batman is the antagonist. The movie needed more Bruce/Batman. It should have cut a few Joker scenes & added a Batman scene or 2 of him on the case & maybe visiting Gordon, though we did get these things in Batman Begins.

@matthewschwartz6607 Жыл бұрын

Did HE kill Alicia? I thought that she killed herself . Someone who worked on this movie actually committed suicide (Anton Furst, I believe .).

@3dartistguy Жыл бұрын

You sound like Wil Wheaton from Star Trek

@slicedbysethh Жыл бұрын

Didn't this video already come out?

@starman9933 Жыл бұрын

Its a reupload from a year ago. Idk why he would do that lamo

@bamafan9283 Жыл бұрын

Michael Keaton made the movie, no other person who played Batman can say that.

@christopherdavis678 Жыл бұрын

IMO Robert Pattinson can absolutely say that because he was the best.part of The Batman and Keaton again IMO was not the best part of Batman 1989...Nicholson stole the show as the Joker!!

@yuri7885 Жыл бұрын

Actually Michael Keaton is mostly why I don't really like it lol Just is not a good fit at all

@thomasgoree7976 Жыл бұрын

In The Joker movie with Joaquin Phoenix he was way older then Bruce Wayne in fact older then Jack Nicholson Joker was to Michael Keaton Batman

@KenMasters. Жыл бұрын

Bruce Wayne and the Joker Brothers ages in CW's Gotham is more consistent for them.

@ravager48 Жыл бұрын

No one ever claimed it was...

@TheUnseenPath Жыл бұрын

Joker being a wiseguy makes sense when you look at it as a pretense. He wasn't the embodiment of chaos and anarchy before becoming Joker so a wiseguy makes sense. I don't care for the multiple choice origin because it's saying "write the story for me" his origins matter otherwise Batman's doesn't. He's evil for the sake of being evil and no one likes that. Batman doesn't look for problems he stops a crime when it happens the crime looks for trouble. Batman's mind is in the right place as you can see he can form a cogent conversation and has no problem with detective work. No in the case of superhero movies accuracy and performance matters no race or gender swapping, period.