HiTop Films no problem

That is one of your best videos!

Excellent video & points. I agree how it was stupid In Batman v Superman how Batman killed more then 15+ people.

I know you only really do videos on superhero movies but I would like to see you do something on the Netflix show end of the fucking world I loved the show and it explores some interesting questions and its only like 2 hours long

Alex, I want to thank you for explaining the MARTHA SCENE, Yes that scene you interpreted contradicts the very fact that Batman in BVS killed lot of people, but holy shit, I'm one of those people who made fun of these, you shared this info. Noe I somewhat realize Zach did add something good, funny thing is that that scene is in the wrong movie.

Haha!!

Maybe

N.n.noooooo... Whyy r u asking :)

He copied MY STYLE

You and me both, dude.

Do you remember where you read that? I'd love to take a look at it.

@@dylang1138 I believe it was David Cain who trained him in it but I am not sure of what comic

"I know 6 ways to end this fight; 3 kill, 2 disarm with minimal contact, and the last one hurts!" The Batman. You can guess which one he chooses.

@@Fifthmiracle Is that from the Dark Knight Returns?

Yes that is true

BATMAN DOES NOT KILL

It's what being a good man is

maybe you had a heart attack

Killing is not easy

@@IronheartvsMiles EXCEPT ALL THE TIMES WHEN HE DOES

“Never again.”

I remember this too. Good example. It freaked me out too but I loved how it made sense to explain how terry took the suit

Honestly would’ve been better if he just resorted to lethal with his normal kit, in the Arkham games if he used those blades or snapped some necks as many times as he knocked someone out with a ton of punches the game would be much more face paced Hell, imagine if the batarangs were all designed to kill? The freeze grenade? The gel? Etc (although not the same Batman lol) Batman, even while old, resorting to a lethal fighting style without the gadgets and just his suit… I’d imagine he’d be make insanely quick work of everybody.

@@mansgotplans Sadly that misses the point. Having Bruce almost use the same kinda weapon that killed his parents has a far greater effect. It’s not about his gadgets. It’s about Bruce and his trauma

​@@animationdude9 Yeah sure, a traumatized overgrown child Who does not kill because he's enjoying himself with all the bone-cracking... Quite borderline I'd say

CraftySam Netflix punisher would probs comfort some scared kids. Netflix punisher is great

Hey, can you tell me the video where she said that? I'm legitimately curious.

@@batshineman174 Red said that in the Trope Talk about Realism at about the three minute mark.

@@TheCraftySam Thank you. 👍

JigglyUnicorns yeah. Season 1 and some of season 2 punisher is my favorite depiction of him. Granted I can’t stand him in any over version. Because there is an actual reason/justification for any and everyone he kills in the nexflix series. Season 2’s ending is the punisher I hate. Some a-hole with automatics gunning down dumb kids who need guidance not a grave.

This is what defines batman

Young justice is sooo good

i think bruce doesnt want anyone in the bat family to become "batman"

@@nolawnoorder384 it's not about the title of the "batman" its about what Bruce went through and what he saw in that alley. He wants nobody to experience what he did and that is what makes him a hero

@@jackchapelle4133 agreed

I guess the person that flipped the switch on Ted Bundy's electric chair is a despicable human being and another murder in the world huh? That person also went onto become a serial killer after flipping the switch on Bundy's electric chair

No, he just makes the stupid selfish one.

​@@Powerhaus88 I'd also argue that he's hypocritical too. No killing, but breaking bones' fine?

​@@Powerhaus88 kid you need to read the Batman who laughs comics 💀

​@@edoardocastelnovi7154 causing a trauma works like an antidote that reminds a criminal, he needs to be changed. Ever heard of plastic man? If not go read it

You seriously commented this and The Batman trailer drops 1 hour later with him beating someone so hard to induced coma

@@letwen THE BATMAN TRAILER DROPPED WHAT THE

@@letwen hahaha well this is a movie of young batman

He breaks their bones and then says, “now talk.”

the movie is based on his first 2 years as batman HE HAVENT IMPLYED THIS RULE YET YOU DUMBASSES

😂😂 This made my day

Okay but if you kill like a hundred killers, then it goes down by like 99 lol

But the remaining killer is a better killer more likely to kill so the amount of killing is more or less the same. In fact if kill a bunch, there would probably be bunch of friends and family members which might increase the number... That's why the right thing to do for reducing number of killers is to burn the world down.

@@GnosticLucifer A better killer of killers, so it kind of evens out.

@@xaero5150 ohhh, I didn't realize that cause I put myself in there and I'm more like the people who relate to the characters who just love killing after their first kill... Majo no tabitabi episode 9 still haunts me AND makes me feel exited! It's on youtube, go scar your soul!

Same with captain America

Batman is a villain responsible for the death and suffering his boyfriend the joker has caused.

@@AmanKumar-ty8kc To be honest that is the ONLY reason why I have a problem with his "NO KILLING" rule, I mean fine don't kill him but at the least paralyze him or break his bones or something(to the point where he can't do shit). simple🤷‍♂

​@@goldj6471He lets him die, which will happen sooner or later due to his own plans to break Batman, but he does NOT pull the trigger

​@@goldj6471like every common thug in the arkham games basically

this... this right here is my exact thought process for my story I'm in the works of.

When preserving your soul means letting innocent people die then you are not a good man.

@@JDoe-gf5oz No... I see a different meaning. Killing a life, to save a life... doesn't make you a villain. Your hands are tainted, but your soul only becomes tainted if you choose killing as your first option. It is a last resort that is never to be considered until everything else has failed. Some foes... can't be reasoned with, it is not wrong to fight or kill for the sake of protecting the lives of others. Your soul only becomes tainted if you let yourself enjoy taking the life of another, even if they were a monster incapable of redemption. Look at Superman vs Zod in Man of Steel. He killed Zod, saving people's lives, but he didn't rejoice over his death, his soul remained pure for the mere fact that he felt guilt for taking a life.

@@JDoe-gf5ozIt isn’t Batman’s responsibility to kill villains, that is the work of the Justice system. Bruce cannot be Judge, Jury and Executioner, then you’d be demonizing him for that. He takes on the role as protector of the innocent, minimizing the harm the villains cause. It is the role of the government to decide what their fate is when they’re caught. It is not Batman’s fault they are corrupt, and even a billionaire can only do so much to actually fix what’s broken. He is already despised by many, imagine how many more would hate him if he took it out of the hands of the police?

That's the point of a lot of Batman villains.

@@ryanli8371 And that's EXACTLY why Arkham city's Batman is so good. The game would be over in two seconds if Batman killed. In Asylum, joker literally offers himself to be killed multiple times, and Batman always refuses. And even in the end, after hundreds of dead people and am entire city in danger, he still would have saved him. And then there's Affleck Batman, that kills without mercy. That's not Batman. That's the Punisher.

@@ryanli8371 So he doesn't kill Superman and then he goes out on a killing spree blowing people up? Honestly, I think it's just bad writing. Also because Snyder said he was inspired mainly by the Dark knight returns, except Batman never kills there.

@@thebatman1482 Yeah, they say they took inspiration from Dark Knight Returns, yet it was all different lol. The only similarity was Batman vs Superman in a fight. The animated movie was how it should be. Though a female Robin was weird lol.

@@thebatman1482 also its interesting to point out how joker only works cause of batman's no killing rule. yes the joker is quite dangerous and is really smart, but batman is smarter and is always physically superior to him. joker is interesting to challenge batman;'s no killing policy. he really should be killed. there is no redemption. but that's batman flaw. its his strength as well. he can't kill anyone, not even someone as morally repugnant as joker.

@@aryan7767 That's his advantage. That's the only weakness he uses to fuck with Batman. He always offers himself to be killed and that would solve everything, but Batman can't do it and everytime it ends up with dozens of people killed. That's the beauty of it. The fact that Affleck still hasn't killed him is a plothole.

It's worst part about his portrayal in the DCEU. It doesn't make sense for Batman to have snapped and become a killer if the Joker is still alive.

and in the Arkham games too, but Batman fans live in a echo chamber of false morality and have convinced themselves IF HE DOESN'T KILL, THEN THEY DID HIM RIGHT, kinda like how All Star Batman made Dick Grayson eat rats and shit also he says Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller didn't kill but he literally killed the Joker la mao.

@@bulletchains8205 Batman doesn’t kill in the Arkham games Bruh.

@@bulletchains8205 Lmao he literally tells the Joker "even after everything you've done, I would've saved you." at the end of Arkham city and he only goes ham on enemies that are almost impossible to kill (Solomon Grundy, Clayface) and those who can resurrect themselves (Ra's Al Ghul).

@@angel_aeon he literally bashes people's heads off concrete how are they alive yo

Im my opinion batman shouldnt kill without hesitation like tim burtons batman(still they are my favorite batman movies)but should kill if he has no other choice,there a ton of batman stories like that and in my opinion they work better than most.writing a pascifist Batman is too hard.

@@user-jj5pm4xo6n Arkham Batman.

While Superman shines light on the things that lurk in the dark, Batman works behind those things and pushes them into the light. That's one thing that makes them such a great pair.

It makes you think, maybe there was somebody in the writers' room who had a clue, but then it just got buried in all the movie's bullshit.

Seriously! It made the tension and weight of the scene bring a tear to my eye. The impact of, “you’re not even a man!” Juxtaposed with having a mother makes the whole scene actually make sense. If the movie had been laying the groundwork for Batman to not kill and be a good guy like he always had been, suddenly that choice to kill Superman becomes significantly more impactful and heavy.

because you just want these characters to live in a vacuum

@@jessicapinkman-hd4bw yeah, no kidding. My favorite version of Wolverine has no claws, no adamantium, doesn't smoke cigars, and isn't a smartass. He's just a "different take on the character." Has nothing to do with the character, but because people who know nothing about the source material say he's the same guy, it must be true, right?

@@jessicapinkman-hd4bw wdym

Tell joker just watch the movie

@@candraningtyas2260 English?

I thought it explained in the story the war of jokes and riddles that the main reason the joker is infatuated with batman Is that batman is a giant joke. And its just fun to push the mans buttons and see him respond

TheFatPotato that is English

@@thesatelliteslickers907 joker push's batman's buttons to see if he can get him to respond with murder.

in his line of work killing will make it so much easier..this defines his skills in combat and strategy

Thats why in the dark multiverse the grim knight (a version of batman that does kill) is weaker and less skilled

It takes more to pull your punches than to fully follow through. Especially in rapid succession.

I've read somewhere that Bruce purposely learned some assassin and killing techniques, but doesn't actually use them, but instead uses that to know what not to do something that could kill someone.

@@sketchydude8431 He learned them from David Cain a villain in his training before he became batman and he still hasn't used them

That Batman would had been one of the "heroes" that Superman has to save people from in Kingdom Come

Best take

Batman refuses to kill criminals because he doesn’t want to be anything like Joe Chill- his parents murderer. If he killed he would be even more haunted by his parents death knowing he is a killer just like Joe Chill. Batman wants to be nothing like Joe Chill or any other criminal worse than Joe Chill.

Okay. But no. The problem with Injustice was never that Superman killed. Which is something a lot of Injustice fans (and Injustice 2 itself) seems to not realize. The problem with what Superman does in Injustice is that he and a bunch of his super powered friends decide to establish a totalitarian regime that forces the entire world into subjugation. The issue with Injustice is the exact same as the issue with the storylines where Superman is a Nazi or a Communist. Superman's propensity to kill people who quite frankly should've been legally executed by their world's government is irrelevant.

What Batman are you even talking about? That's pretty specific and doesn't match many of the versions we've seen over the years, especially the tv and movie versions.

@@JDoe-gf5oz ngl i dont remember. i just vaguely remember that being the main reason he doesnt kill.

wow, that actually makes sense. I've always been confused about that signal, tks for the answer

Whoa, never thought about it like that

*"It's not just a signal. It's a warning."* 🦇

@@bmvthemoviefanatic7282 that you're about to get your spine ripped in half

Eu pensava que era para avisar os policiais sobre quando o Batman iria entrar em ação para eles não invadirem o local e colocar vidas em risco, eu escrevi em português porque agora o KZfaq tem tradutor automático

Underrated comment is underrated.

Just finished playing the first Dishonored a couple of months ago on low chaos. Great game. Tried high chaos for shits and giggles a few weeks back and when it came to the last part of the game where Simon told me that he hated me I couldn't take it and stopped the playthrough lol

I read that as soon as you said that lol

I love dishonored

Too bad the second one is so hard it's retarded

...That movie was pure garbage, he made the scene better, but it wasn't intended by the producers.

@@gshepherd6141 The movie wasn't "pure garbage", cinematically it was EXTREMELY well done and beautifully well shot and acted (ex lex luthor), it's just that the script was really REALLY bad for rushing SO much iconic plot lines right off the bat and mischaracterizing some characters.

by the way, if batman does kill he'd use a gun, He wouldn't be traumatized by a gun because that would be definition of a coward which batman isn't. He'd snipe every criminal out there and there would be 0 left making his life easier and able to focus on all threats of earth 100%. But then no one would trust him.@@Gadget-Walkmen

​@@gshepherd6141 cry us a river ironman fan

the movie was very good, unfortunately tho, he kills people in that movie, which is probably why i barely remember any of zack snyders movies

A comment that is both chilling and hilarious

The number won’t change, there will be people who seek revenge for them.

That only goes for the first man you kill though, because killing a man for the first time makes you a killer. After that you can indeed decrease the number of killers by killing them, since you already are a killer at that point.

@@SirQuadrat what about people seeking revenge for the people you kill

@@meatboy5714 Well, only one person can take revenge on me at best, so that's not really relevant

👌

Well said man, well said! 👏

Thanks Red from OSP

The real important thing is not the not killing rule, but the not killing JOKER rule. No Batman has ever killed a Joker, wether that be from sheer will power, or because that’s your fucking wife. And you may say that The Batman Who Laughed proves the rule wrong, but when you think about it, that Joker never really died. He just lived on through Bruce’s body, carrying out his sadistic dreams, with nobody to stop him. And Batman knew this was a possibility, but was to blinded with rage to realize. And think about it: whenever a Joker died, Batman is the one who always carries the guilt, even when the Joker kills himself.

Exactly like what Batman did to Ace in Justice league unlimited. If your Batman can't do that, he isn't Batman

So he doesn’t kill people because he wants his parents dead?

Bro is like naruto 💀

Thats why I think there should be a comic where Batman actually does save the villains from insanity. Run the message straight through our brains. It would be a great end for Batman’s story. But that’ll never happen because reasons.

@@Data-Expungeded I think Batman the Animated series probably did it best. He would visit people in their cells, try to save them from self inflicted “fall into the pit” deaths, and the way he calls most villains by their actual names when talking to them, god I miss Conroy.

​​@@Data-ExpungededThe think about helping others IS there IS a limit of How much You can help then, but They can only be saved with They thenselfs have The Will to continue and never relapse.

It's true, Batman pulled out the Bat card, and I wanted to shoot myself!

batman doesn't kill..... but alive is a very broad term.

Facts

Jokes on him I want to die anyways

Swivel Shivel He just breaks every bone in the bodies of the people he fightss

Damn right

The animated movie was so good.

what if their nobody orphans?

LudicrousKid Didn’t think of that... probably got kids or, like an uncle or something... mates at least

Remember that time batman locked KG Beast down in a sewer and left him to starve? Or basically was cool with Jim shooting the joker? Oh no you don't because your dumbass doesn't read comics.

Batman? Darling.

The Killing Joke's ending is better IMO.

@@tgkthebawse the joke at the end lowkey isn't even funny

@@karmicpiper1358 it's not supposed to be it's supposed to be symbolism for there situation

That first line is probably my favorite Batman quote. To me at least, it illustrates the guilt and devastation of letting Joker live all those years, only for him to repeatedly escape and kill innocents. Imagine that crushing feeling of repeatedly putting Joker and other psychos in a cell for all those years; but only to realize you made virtually no positive impact on Gotham, while crime & murder is still rampant and all that work was for nothing. By letting Joker live all those years due to Batman’s self-righteous moralist “no kill policy”, Batman is just as much responsible as for the demise of many innocent lives as Joker. His no kill policy actually killed more innocents than if he killed one villain, thus preventing the demise of many innocents.

Deadpool lol

The only thing that separates a hero and villain is morales that line is thin but important.

Brayden Holland sorry to be a fucking asshole but u misspelled morals

@@grandpaeren6839 your a fucking idiot

@@cryptosword5937 you're*

Absolute respect

EXACTLY

Exactly. You know what? Snyder is a hack.

Theodore Roosevelt congrats on 600

At some point not being like him is being the victime of the story,sometimes its worth fighting,and sometimes its not

Underrated comment right here

He was a killer before, used to carry gund

@@libertyprime619 Yes, we all know this already. And how long has that been? Nearly 80 years since he was a killer? Has there ever been an actually interesting Batman story where he killed people? Killing Joke, Red Hood, ectera.

@@PrestonK_Productions every live action batman movie so far has batman killing people hahab

PandasDontBreed no, the Christopher Nolan’s ones didn’t. Also, the Tim Burton ones are cool but Batman isn’t interesting. Also, he doesn’t kill in the Joel Schumacher films or the Adam West film.

Apparently Superman will always turn evil if Lois dies, so Batfleck was right to want to kill him.

@@JDoe-gf5ozi mean lois didn’t just die he literally murdered her, his unborn child, AND the entirety of metropolis

@@JDoe-gf5oz Not always, look at Kingdom Come for example.

@@biggrimace6506 Still not a reason to turn evil. To get revenge maybe, but not to become a demonic god from hell.

You got something better.

same but I got something better

All the people superheroes knock out in one blow? There's no way in hell they're not getting horrible brain trauma. They die from brain damage years later, with mental disabilities and personality disorders, like our football players. I enjoy the action of cartoons, movies and videogames. But remember, Houdini (who actually trained Bruce) died from a punch to the stomach. Also yes, derailing that train in Batman Begins probably killed a bunch of pedestrians.

Tbh I did too 😂😂😂

batman kills so many people, its what makes him awesome.

Because he understood it unlike most of the people

U don’t understand the rule mate

"Because that's what heroes do"

"Why did you say that name??!!" 😂

Just got to ask, how the hell does Lois knows what name Clark had said ? I don't think he says it when she's in any distance to hear "Martha".

They just reasemble after a couple of hours

Technically u break their legs and arms but doctors just put em back

Lego games were low-key gore bro.

@@Hybrid225 Haha yes. And I'm pretty sure they're all just clones.

😆 🤣

@kavikiru kavikiru or Tim Burton, Joel Schumacher or Christopher Nolan

@@angelacosta1412 but batman doesn't kill in the Christopher Nolan movies... it's literally one of the main sources of conflict.

@@oneeyedsleep4107 He killed several members of the League Of Shadows when he blew up their lair in Batman Begins, killed Joker's goon when he drove the Tumbler under the truck while in the Narrows & killed Harvey Dent when he tackled him off the ledge in The Dark Knight & shot Thalia's driver before she crashed to her death in The Dark Knight Rises.

@@angelacosta1412 The Nolan Batman only killed out of necessity. He still tried to uphold his no kill rule, and it was touched upon within the movies. Yeah, but he killed someone a few times haha let’s make that justify gunning down criminals with machine guns in Batflecks movies haha

@@Synsity As long as you can admit that Nolan made Batman kill. The comment I was responding to said Nolan never made him kill & you confirmed that he did. Doesn't matter why or how, people need to stop saying Nolan never had Batmam kill when he clearly did.

See like that is an excellent instance of the no kill rule. It was a parody, and they used the rule in a comedic effect. If those guys could use the no kill rule in an interesting and unconventional way, then I don’t see why Hollywood can’t.

*weakly* You wanna know, how I got these scars?

Batman *would* learn how exactly to hit someone with a bike and not kill them.

@@ALJ9000 "Mmm..from Batman?" Nurse questions

@@nobilityknight9949 “From Batman.” Joker responds

he did i think

@@kaiphan1346 No, he just used clips from an official media source and edited the clips for the joke

@Raihan Nafis kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npaKd5mI0tuWfGw.html

@@kaiphan1346 Lmao the video is that convincing huh? 😂😂😂

@@kaiphan1346 no he didn’t I saw the interview but hitop wasn’t there plus The youtuber was being rude to znyder But znyder had a ok feeling So he faked it

Yeah but Daredevil is kind of something inbetween of Batman and Spider-Man. He doesn't have crazy powers like Spider-Man but he also doesn't work without any powers at all. He has more subtle powers. He is not rich, but he is also not a poor student either. He is a lawyer. And he is fighting street-level crime like Batman and Spider-Man.

U do kno he’s not comparing the two right🤨

Iron Man is literally the opposite of Batman in every way except they're both rich

@@JJSogaard well my comparison was strictly the hero itself. Tony Stark is Marvel's Bruce Wayne, BUT Iron Man is NOT Marvel's Batman. Separating the the hero persona from the person. The Hero Daredevil is more so the Marvel Batman than Ironman. Yes Daredevil has super Blindness lol but at the heros core, Batman doesn't kill, Daredevil doesn't kill. Batman relies on military gear and armor, Daredevil relies on something similar. They're not exactly the same, but they're more similar than Batman and Ironman.

Orry Maine. I agree completely. I use Marvel Unlimited to read comics (which I am still a newb at) and I prefer Marvel over DC. But my favorite hero overall is Batman. Since every Batman comic I read has to be bought separately, I was looking for a Marvel character that would scratch my Batman-itch. I like Daredevil because he has a lot of the characteristics that make me enjoy Batman (e.g. the detective aspect). So he has a lot of similarities to Batman in crucial areas but is still very much his own character and not just a Batman ripoff. And then he also is more Marvel-ish (more normal and human) and integrates into my preferred superhero universe.

only if batman doesn't kill at that point, to the point.

@@Gadget-Walkmen that’s why he said “could have”

@@thekachigga9255 sure.

I mean it actually works, if u think about it regardless of Batman killing or not

@@ebrahimmunsif LMAO no it doesn't work at all. We ALL thought about it and it's still nonsense. The Martha moment is complete nonsense and not plausible in the slightest. Essentially Batman just suddenly becomes friend with Superman just because they’re mothers share the same name. By that logic Batman should just become friends with everyone he has problems with if they’re mothers name is Martha. Whatever ptsd crap he was going through in the moment is still illogical because he was killing people before and AFTER the scene with Superman so he really only became friends with him because they’re mother’s name is Martha and nothing more. That’s not happening in anyway since it's pure nonsense.

context I guess Zack Snyder said some shit bout Batman not killing a little before the time of writing this and I’m gonna post this vid on a Reddit post just forgot how damn good this vid is

​@@mansgotplans I see this video linked on Reddit a lot. Usually by new accounts with Alex or Hunter in the name, conveniently. LOL. They always get laughed out of the threads by people who know this is an ACTUAL TEENAGER WHO MAKES 3DGY BATMAN FANFICTION.

@@user-tm2ks6vs2v r/batmanarkham isn’t exactly like the rest of Reddit, I can say that for sure

@@mansgotplans thanks for telling me where you'll be posting another sock puppet, Alex. Such a mature place. The pinned thread is about banning words that begin with N and R. Sounds like a place for ACTUAL TEENAGERS. 😆

love the hostility out of nothing

"So you have chosen............. PARALYZED"

you took this comment of a batman arkham knight video

josé camarão no one cares. It’s still funny

@@unsharded8503 smd

"So, you have chosen JAIL!

zingtea your comment made my day 😂

😂

"You better run, run, run.. outrun my gun"🎶

“I don’t have to kill you but I have 16 little fast hallow friends who would like to talk to you”

zingtea Even in that scene Batman kills him. Batman knows he can't get off and he knows that Gordon is going to derail the train AND Batman just bet the crap out of him.

Which passage is this from again?

Beyond Hope Son of Batman

Except that the right thing is to kill the bad guy, and that's a fact.

@@CarlosSantana-gi6rt No. Not if ur Batman

@@CarlosSantana-gi6rt yeah no.

Bruh

EXACTLY

He is, yeah. Those cases where "he" kills are just misinterpretations, just like the ending says.

BIG BIG FACTS!!!!!! This would change the whole movie of BVS!!!!!!!

The whole video.. boy, that’s just craaaazy.

i 100%agree

Agreed as Well, the scene can be so much better, if it was built up properly and the things that happened before that scene were well thought out and written

I literally reply that part because it's so dam good.

Batman does not kill? wrong. Batman *didn't kill*

I'd say less than average

I wouldn't be surprised if he actually was.

It wasn’t real but ok

Abraham Sanchez im talking about the real one the clips are taken from lol

Yeah, Snyder also said that HIS Batman could be raped in Prison. Talk about having no damned idea.

@@michaeldavis2001 that was a joke but whatever

theyakkoman then why did he let al ghul die? 🤔🤔

@@alexwade5785 because he knew al ghul would not stop. he was not responsible for al ghuls death, but he didnt have to save him either. al ghul made his choice when he tried to commit genocide in gotham.

+Alex Wade Choosing not to help someone isn't the same as killing them. Leaving someone to their own devices is not the same as ending them. Walking away isn't the same as murder. Thousands of people are killed worldwide at this very moment, and yet we (you, me, cousin Tom and Lisa next door) are not doing anything about it, are we killing them? Is that the same as killing them? Sure we can't help all of them, but we could choose to even help just one, yet we aren't even trying to find out who we can help; whose death could we prevent if instead of watching youtube videos we went out and saved someone. For whatever reason we are making a choice not to, and that doesn't make us killers. We just deem it's not worth the trouble, not worth sacrificing ourselves, not worth our time nor our comfort. We aren't even trying (giving money to charity is just a way of bribing one's own guilt) I know this is a shitty thing to say, but it still doesn't change the fact that we aren't trying everything we can - and that is something we have to come to terms within ourselves. Everything in life is a trade off, with what choices are you willing to live with? Is someone else's time more important to you than your own? These are the questions everyone should be asking themselves. So if someone has a moral stance of not killing, it isn't an obligation to save everyone.

Kingdom Come is one of my favourite comics. And i really like that Batman doesn't kill too. It's just that when he does kill, it's interesting to see what pushed him over the edge. And how in the end he became good again. Or how maybe in this universe, he never becomes good. The reason why Kingdom Come and many other comics are popular, is because the writers have liberty to deconstruct characters..just like in The Dark Knight Returns, where Batman kills. Saying that Batman should never kill, is denying Batman the story arcs that have been so important to his character, that reinforces why he should not kill. It's like saying Batman can never fail.

@@alexwade5785 Because he have the Lazarus Pit...duh.

Which is ironic because Batman has broke 90% of all laws.

the DCEU's batman went crazy because Joker killed both Dick Grayson and Jason Todd plus the DCEU's batman isn't the batman of DCEU's Earth 0/Earth Prime

True, maybe that doesn't work for NoN Earth 0's batman

he constantly breaks the law. he is a fucking criminal himself.

In the dark knight returns comic he told superman that they are criminals, and always have been

Roman Neill Damn right

Bullshit, killing isn't always evil. The death penalty for example.

@@CiastekStudio Killing is never okay. Never is it alright to take a human life off of the planet

@@viceonafridaynight I haven't said it can be "okay", I said it's not always evil. Sometimes it's necessary to kill. For example, if someone attacks you with a knife, you can defend yourself.

@Mrimchaelson Wishful thinking. It's not that simple in every situation to just not kill your attacker when you defend your own life.

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Nevah

Doesnt he give up on him in the third movie? Lol

Gets me every damn time.

Fuck Batman he's a pussy! The Punisher is the real hero Gotham needs and deserves! Say goodnight Joker and Harley Quinn! You're miserable existences are about to come to an end when real punishment comes for you! He's a mortal man. Not a god like Thor, or a Super Soldier like Cap, or a mutant like Wolverine. This is a battle he can't win. But he already knows that. So he'll keep fighting until he dies. Both sad and beautiful at the same time.

thats the batman we want

It's the version of Batman we ALL want to see. If Batman killed he'd wouldn't be a symbol. He would be a coward and a murderer.

@@the_addict1711 then i guess he's a coward and a murderer 🤷🏿‍♂️

@@dobi287 N O, if batman kills, he's a failure

@@electri-citywatts based on?

Ace from the DCAU...

The Batman got so many things right with the character

Pretty sure cops killed a bunch of serial killers and can still comfort children, soldiers have also killed and could comfort refuges. I dislike the fact that killing=evil, because there are genuine reasons especially in self defense. Oh these armed soldiers are invading our country, better disarm and tie them up while fighting a war... surely this won't give them a major advantage. It also feels like batman can wreck no-name thugs and spare the actual main villains, like batman doesn't actually check if that thug he threw off the 13 floor is still alive

Red from OSP? "Can you imagine this batman comforting a scared child? If you can't I'm afraid you've just got the punisher in a silly mask" (The video is trope talk: antiheroes)

@@khaledm.1476 None of the occupations you mentioned or the people that fill them are equivalent to being Batman. The point stands.

holy glaze

He's a killer in that movie as it's meant to be a version of Batman that's gone bad but becomes good by the end. He starts the film killing and branding criminals, but at the end chooses to spare Lex Luthor, as his whole arc is about putting aside his vengeful vigilantism to instead believe in something greater and more just.

Leaving criminals in the cold street with internal injuries is fine . Since they'll be dead in a few hours. "Batman does not kill" indeed

@@y.kazayaki3681 Batman has not intention of killing.

@@y.kazayaki3681 police will pick them up

Exactly as Spider-Man's moral code

just because a choice is easy doesn't mean you shouldn't choose it sometimes the easy choice is the best choice and exactly whats happening that situation the easy choice was the best choice

There are multiple scenes in The Last Jedi that are WORSE than anything in the DCEU.

John Stavropoulos okay?

By adding real plot and real character which the film never have.

@@muhammadagungwibowo3068 You mean which you never understood. There is plenty of plot and character your mind is just too simple to see it.

I TOTALLY AGREE

Real fans of batman understand him

Right before killing somebody but that's besides the point

Yes.

“So your fine with talking back but not with getting bitch slaps” -Batman

This will hit harder after The batman will be released

Joker likes to say batman is just as crazy as he is. Batman is crazy in the sense that he doesn't kill because that would mean he's just as bad as the criminals he beats down. But he beats people to near death and thinks it's ok. Batman thinks differently to others and always has done. The moment he kills he knows that he will never stop. That doesn't just go for criminals but the innocent also

true

I always loved the irony of Thomas Wayne (who's a doctor) was the batman who kills

Facts

@@blingiman I do understand your point, but rather than irony is something deeper, Thomas was a doctor, meaning he took the Hippocratic oath, a vow to life and do everything you can to save it, he was well aware of his oath and decided to willingly break it, that is pure anger towards the tragedy that is losing a son.

I would add Jason Todd (If he ever dawns the cape and cowl) and Jean Paul Valley. Both are two people who has been in the Batsuit and has pushed the limits.

Of course it is easier to leave people with broken limbs and injuries close to death, what a noble bastard he is. The world's greatest detective thinks that this is the best choice for him? He looks more like a stupid psycho. Better a bullet in the head because it is more logical. There is no person there is no problem with him. But he is obviously too stupid for a detective to think about it at least once

@@gsv740 Wow. You are actually brain dead.

@@gsv740 Man that's gotta be the dumbest, most ignorant thing I've read all week.

GSV you’re actually thinking of Jason Todd,(Batman), or Thomas Wayne,( Batman), that’d go around killing people with guns while doing detective work for them to figure out the next criminal to kill.

Not killing the Joker is just stupid. By letting him live, he indirectly killed thousands of people. Had he killed the fucking clown from the beginning he would have saved thousands of innocent lives. But hey, killing a mass murderer is better than not letting him kill more and more innocents.

YES, thay is batman!! There also was a simular conversation with damian in I believe "Son of batman"

"because he took me away from you, bruce" hits me every time

@Stevean2 did no one teach you this is the internet?

"It would to damned easy to kill one murder to save thousands of lives."

Fuck Batman he's a pussy! The Punisher is the real hero Gotham needs and deserves! Say goodnight Joker and Harley Quinn! You're miserable existences are about to come to an end when real punishment comes for you! He's a mortal man. Not a god like Thor, or a Super Soldier like Cap, or a mutant like Wolverine. This is a battle he can't win. But he already knows that. So he'll keep fighting until he dies. Both sad and beautiful at the same time.

Wait, what did you think of the dark knight when he killed two face? Because I think that was a spot which tested his morals and was a good scene.

@@knoxcool9657 to be honest it felt a bit forced like the writers decided early on the Batman would shoot our event and then wrote their way to it. Harvey was the victim and he gets put down like Old yeller. Read the dark Knight returns graphic novel, it's a lot darker in more intense. The animated versions okay but it leaves out the internal dialogue and is a bit less tense as a result.

Coe T. I watched this video multiple times and I never laughed at that line in the video but if you take it out of context it’s a lot funnier

THWIP😠😩😤😐

Spiderman killed in endgame

@@DivvayKhatri i never thought about Marvel universe spiderman as OG one, like he never had any of the OG spider-man problems and at the end he literally just becomes Tony Stark 2. Raime films, video games, broke Parker from Spiderverse. That whats for me OG spider-man, a man that always choses between normal life or being a spider-man to save people, and he always choses to help people even if its cripling him.

Isn't his unwillingness to kill the only reason he's "unworthy" of Mjolnir?

He accidentally killed a woman, but i don't think its canon anymore

Batman probably has some of his own, so yeah...

Just kill joker and lex luthor already. Why just kill his minion but not kill the master mind, stupid rich people.

Remove their brain surgically, that isn’t killing them.

@@alexglase765 yes it is lmao we are in our brain

@@adil0466 he doesn't kill the minions either

Perfectly said. Thank you.

Please. Batmans no kill rule was started to cover up the fact that Batman was a ripoff of the shadow

@@metaloverload7374Who is that? Shadow The Hedgehog? Lol who cares.

Other than the fact that its at this point based on the writer. In THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS he straight up snaps jokers neck, then lights his body on fire. But then theres comics like Injustice where he would rather imprison a Tyrannical dictator superman.

@@DevinEMILE A broken neck doesn't always kill people. The Joker killed himself by snapping it. Batman then set the dead body on fire