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Same here

Ooo iam heer cmon

It’s called money.

They did have a foundation for making changes in 1995. That’s absolutely true. It’s just one of those things in retrospect, When you look back at the entire franchise, Batman returns was highly underappreciated and is a far better movie than Batman Forever..

@@dbreiden83080 let's say that Batman Returns is a much better movie (at its core, a movie about outcasts unable to find happiness) but Forever is more enjoyable in terms of superheroic shenanigans/Batphilia (meaning an honest love for the gadgets and the vehicles...and nipples).

@@jjrj8568 Val Kilmer did a great job but the script is too silly and even though I am a Jim Carrey fan he basically wrecked the movie for me.. He is just hamming it up to a level 20 in every scene. You can tell Schumacher gave him little direction on the role. Carrey just went nuts..

@@dbreiden83080 I don't have a problem at all with Carrey, as you've said, utterly over-the-top and cartoonish, '60s Riddler updated for '90s cheese. I don't have a problem with Two-Face either: too loud/cartoonish for some, but he truly looked deranged and very murderous. This movie is darker than most people remember it.

You got to remember that during this time period, majority were put off by how dark Batman Returns is... which is why WB changed the tone which lead to us to getting Batman Forever and the disastrous Batman and Robin. It wasn't until people looked back in retrospect that Batman Returns got the respect it deserves.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't help but feel that you acknowledging the fact that Keaton's Batman does kill as an excuse to prove that he's not a wimp does comes off as you complimenting him killing his enemies.

@@DarkHeroesForever Yes I do. I like my vigilantes to be hardcore, not have some wimpy code about not killing villains.

​@@Illustraful Then read or watch Deadpool or The Punisher, which don't get me wrong, I do like those characters (Punisher especially), but their motives for doing what they do are totally different by comparison. Batman's whole moral is that if he kills then he proves that he is no better than his adversaries. Why do you think the Joker is often regarded as the greatest among those adversaries? The reason is that the Joker would go to great lengths to break his moral code, which is played greatly in stuff like the Arkham games or in The Dark Knight. It's things like this that make Batman such a compelling character because he'll go to great lengths to do what he can to stop the worst of crimes without becoming it, so when I read comments like this, it just comes off as idiotic and brainless, as it reads as someone who doesn't get or care to understand the full aspects of the character (which to me makes you not a real fan), and/or someone who thinks every single superhero/vigilante should kill, for it makes them look cool and badass. You and Zack Snyder would get along just fine.

The Flush

Only for big movies, like Batman. We did it again a couple years later for Batman and Robin, but we left with a much different attitude.

Jimmy Leszczynski If you don’t mind me asking, do you still feel the same way about this film? Currently, what is your favorite live action Batman film?

@@jalenjohnson1662 more or less. I was a little harsh on Keaton, but I still agree. You need to play a good bruce wayne, and Kilmer did that. West Is my favorite. New movie looks interesting so far.

Jimmy Leszczynski Now that I’ve read some of the comics from the early 40’s, I’ve gained a new appreciation for West. I do think he was pretty close to who Batman was in the comics at that time. Yes, the new film looks very good. Can’t wait!

​@retrocoolnerd457 Keaton's a whip really ? Lay off the drugs buddy he was literally the best batman. The Joel Schumacher Batman movies aged like milk there terrible films were you guys that bored in the summer of 1995 you probably thought anything was good 😂 Batman Returns and Batman 1989 are far superior

Christian Bale is the best Bruce Wayne and Batman.

I think they did this guy might not have the footage

There actually are some from the red carpet premiere. People were generally okay with it surprisingly. I've actually met some casual audiences that have it as their favorite. Not saying that makes it good or erases the negative reaction. But it's always interesting to see how non-fans react to films like this.

We did a similar outing after work for B&R. I wore my full latex Batman suit- the "Sonar" suit from 'Forever' and was announced by the sparsly attended theater manager as " Batman as I entered and sat square in the middle seat. The lights went down, and I spent the next 2 hrs slouching further and further into my seat out of shame for that movie. I have since grown to like it, but if I could have I would have dropped a smoke pellet and escaped.

Just rewatched it, it was so paced like a video game so predictable it’s alright tho

Because "cgi" wasnt really a term then

Computer generated = video graphics so it kinda makes sense.

It was a good movie though. Filled with exciting flamboyant performances: fun energy.

Superhero movies were like sips of water in a desert, take what u can get

@@Movienerd092 nope, that was me and I stand by those words. Kilmer is a better Bruce Wayne than Keaton. Bale is a better Bruce than Kilmer. At the time there was only two to compare, but Kilmer was a better Bruce.

I was, and still am, a pretty big big Batman fan. This was a little before the turn of the century and we didn't have as much Bat content as we do now. So, at the time when I came out of the movie, I was really excited that they portrayed Bruce's inner turmoil. I thought the script was, for the most part, really well written. How it was executed is up for debate, but I over all enjoyed it. Kilmer has similar thought's to mine about the suit in his new Doc, if you haven't seen it. Any way, a long way to say I stand by what I said then.

@@retrocoolnerd Heck yeah me too still like Batman Forever I thought it was good sequel.

I have never heard that, but thanks for the compliment. I felt at the time that anyone could be in the suit, and that Val was a better Bruce Wayne. At the time I had Adam, Micheal, and Val to pool my opion. I was not as well versed in the 2 serials at the time. Adam was, and still is my fav bot bruce and bat for many reasons. So, between just Val and Michael, I prefer Val. I prefer his screen presence, confidence, and IMO the better costume. That does not mean Keaton is Bad, just that I like Val better. In retrospect, Wimp was a little harsh. A younger me was obviously playing to the camera, and my pals behind the camera.

@@retrocoolnerd Haha it's cool man. I was just teasing. It's fine that you prefer Val. I think time has proven him to be an underrated Batman. I also think it's cool that West is your favourite. A lot of people seem to think that something being darker and more cynical automatically makes it superior. It's great to still have people around who like the more jovial and uncomplicated takes on the character.

If u think kilmer is better then check out the flash film This is why Keaton is the best batman and would be great in a batman beyond film has a old Bruce Wayne mentoring a new young batman

@@retrocoolnerd I'm sure you've heard that film was going to have a lot of psychological elements some of which are in the deleted scenes such as Batman doubting himself.

just thinking that seems full of himself

Forever is far from forgettable, it's better than the two Keaton movies

Kilmer turned down part IV. I'm sure he's glad he did given how terrible it turned out.

Yes batman and robin was a disaster that what u get when u let toy companies have a big steak in the film making proscess just to make a 2 hour toy advent thank god Nolan and Matt reeves just made it about the filn

Just inst though

The guy with the long hair, me, shares his honest opinion. And I stand by it to this day. Also, Batman and Robin is worse than Forever.

@@retrocoolnerd Well I did say hardly anyone is brave enough. Yes batman and robin is probably the worst. Batman forever is a movie.You can watch with the sound off. The dialogue is not really good and some of the action is hard to follow because it's not well staged. The best action directors like Cameron and Spielberg and George Miller.They give you a sense of space and geography and suspense.

No it isn't lol