"Ever heard of Thomas Wayne?" -The flash

I'm with superman on this one. Killing one man to save millions.

@@itsyaboi1846 It would be great if those millions actually lived

@@Ghost_gc It be great to stop being like killing is bad. Do what you have to do, to save the people.

@@itsyaboi1846 Killing being good or bad depends on who does it, but it has bad consequences on the long run for whoever does the killing. And saving the people implies protecting them from harm, not pushing them out of the way. And if you re gonna pull the "kill one to save many" stuff again, just wait till the spectre shows up.

Look at alot of the episodes with Two Face. Harvey Dent was Bruce's friend, he wants to help him and get his friend back. He even hired the Ventriloquist to work at his office in one episode. Another had a former thug Batman had beaten up working at one of his places.

THIS is what a lot of Batman media miss that TAS get so, so right. Suddenly the no kill rule makes sense.

But the truth is it never happens and more inocent people Die because Batman spares them. Why doesnt he build a real jail that will hold them or build a prison island

@@alejandroaguilar9038 But id *did* happen. Not with the well branded villains, but there were street thugs that Batman and Bruce Wayne reformed.

Thats sounds more like spiderman rather than batman. If that's his goal, I don't think he ever come close to it

😅

Perhaps, though in Batman’s defense, the guy was wearing protective head gear

@@teleportedbreadfor3days headgear won't stop the guys brain from being injured from being smacked against the front and back of his skull 16 times

@@ann1halat3d I'm just thinking of a reason why Batman got a little extra forceful with that one guy, nothing more.

it's worse than death

and Damian is about to kill one he likes even more than either Demonspawn or Jason.

Isn't this worst than killing?

Pretty much sums up Batman in a sentence.

@@dankmemer8737 nah

@@dankmemer8737 yes I'd rather be dead than a vegetable

Traumatic brain injuries don't guarantee someone ends up a vegetable. Death, however, IS a guarantee.

The Injustice We Deserve 😜

@@wojurera3131 lul

I guess you could say they did it a... Injustice. ;^3

@@wojurera3131 It's not the one we deserve. But the one we need.

The comics were ok tbh

Your age

I totally agree

He IS Batman

Right

His voice what makes me think of Batman

that's the whole point. supes is just angry and the life of anyone he consider a criminal is in danger, no matter how small the crime may be.

"All sins are the same in God's eyes."

That's just bad character development... He would have reached that point but at a later stage.

Like how Fidel Luz said, this just goes to show how Superman started dealing in absolutes in ways that weren't justified. There were ways for Superman to go about this which would've made him both understandable and justified, and to be fair, some thieves really don't have the high ground over rapists and murderers to the point where even if the crimes aren't always comparable, they're not better either, so it was only understandable, even for Batman, why Supes went down this road, but it led to the worst case scenario that should've been avoided.

On top of that, he eventually works with Bane, Black Adam, and Sinestro, meaning murder isn’t really a big deal to him.

That hadn't happened yet, it happens during this

I mean, we kinda already know the answer, a la Jason Todd.

I dunno man ask Jason-

Then batman would kill the joker and turn himself in.

He instantly thought of Jason

I like this quote from Al Mualim in the first Assassin's Creed game, Some do ill out of ignorance or fear, these men can be saved, others suffer from corrupted wills, their minds poison and twisted these men must be destroyed.

It's a practical mind set. The killing will never stop because crime never stops. Obviously it's not a 1 man show so once all the real nasty people are eliminated then you'll have a bunch of lackies who need to justify their jobs. So in order to keep their jobs the lackies will kill people for more petty crimes over time, maybe not for leaving gum wrappers on the street, but criminals who certainly could be reformed with the Swedish prison system and not executions. People like Ace who died in Batman's arms would have been executed by Superman. Today we don't need the Death Penalty. We've built a Prison known as ADX, terrorist who wouldn't hesitate to release chemical weapons in a tokyo subway station or fly a jumbo jet into a sky scraper have attempted suicide in that prison. The inmates aren't tortured physically, but are simply put in a isolation ward for life and are in a prison full of inmates who don't care about their terrorist organization's cause so these terrorist regret what they did & wish they had a normal 8-5 job. Plenty of harden criminals got out of the ADX prison and essentially always drive within the speed limits because they don't want to go back to prison.

It won’t always be easy, but killing really isn’t ever the right choice, unless you’re in a battle to death. People can change overnight, and some people might take decades to change, it’s partly a matter of how they are treated, or how willing they are to hurt others. But it’s not something us humans can easily predict and tell. That’s a part of the reason why we shouldn’t kill, because people can change and feel sorry in an instant, and we wouldn’t know because they’re murdered.

An excellent observation

Pretty easy line imo. I don't see why they're making such a big deal about it. For supervillans that keep escaping kill them. Failing to do so puts blood on your hands for every person they kill. Especially the fucking Joker. I'm 100% on Supermans side about that one. He killed literally millions of people including Lois and several heroes. He would've just escaped again and killed more and more and more. At a certain point you've got to stop that or you just become complicit in the crimes.

It's mostly because once they kill someone they usually go down the "might as well just kill em all" path. Ex. INJUSTICE

With how corrupt Gotham is, surely there's a single bad cop, or any cop for that matter, who would rather put a bullet in Joker's head than taking him in.

@Waller Thraller And if that someone continued to kill people and ruin lives around them, all because you couldn't make the hard decisions to end their threat once and for all, equally makes you an accomplice to murder, and thus, a criminal. Besides, what if the courts' inefficiency resulted in said murders? That by your definition, makes them a criminal since their actions resulted in people dying. What makes them anymore worthy to pass judgement, then?

@@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit Yeah that's not how that works, you're not responsible for someone else's actions. If the system isn't working you work to fix it you don't assume all authority from it and become a dictator.

Superman is an alien from another planet. He has no right, jurisdiction, or authority to kill or enslave people. 1) It’s unfair and dishonorable for someone with super powers to enforce his will and justice against others. 2) Since he is not of earth he doesn’t have the rightful honor to enact such things.

Also Batman, *Diana* : Batman. The Founding members decide to surrender to the government until the Justice League is proven to be not guilty. *Batman* : nah, I'm a part-timer.

@@Kisamon To be fair, Batman was leading fight against the regime.

the batman and the joker bromance gotta live 😔

The day one of DC's biggest mistakes was finally corrected. And no reality punching or Lazarus Pit level nonsense. Damian is an arrogant, entitled little prick.

Instantly thought of Jason right there guarantee it

That's when we have INJUSTICE !! get it? injustice the comic and the game? that's lame I know

He doesn't care bout them hating him. He cares about them being alive

@@joshua2764 except this Superman DOES care what people think about him. He literally starts planning to crack down on civil liberties and make examples of people when public opinion turns against him in the first game.

-After I've killed you, I'll bring Lois here. When she sees how I've perfected this world, she'll... -She'll be afraid and disgusted!

😊 😊😊😊😊​@@Thuazabi

Nice

YOU ARE NOT PARALYSED!!

DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ONE ME BATMAN, DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON ME!

It shows the willpower of these characters. They try to get back up and fight again, but are physically unable to. At least that's my way of justifying this obvious glitch in the game.

Bruh I think the same. I've always find it funny how they quickly get up, to get down again.

@@lilj3467 I like your explanation

Probably a programming thing. They're programmed to get back up first, then the game checks health and puts them in their defeated stance if it's at zero.

Probably the latter. The lasso can only make you tell what you believe to be true after all.

definitely latter, since she's the one who is manipulating him in the first place

Well, this is Thunder Cunt, not Wonder Woman, so definitely the latter. Superman needs Batman to join him because they all knew DC sucks his dick and will always make whatever side he's on win, no matter how bullshit or dumb the reasoning.

​@@dramaticmudderer5208She's egging him on, but Clark is responsible for his own decisions.

@@MrGksarathy Superman needs Batman at his side to knock some sense into him in case Superman gets disoriented and demoralized. That is how I see it. Superman still aims for collective welfare, but by rough methods.

See, you're only a criminal if you're AGAINST him.

They know now not to cross him.

Grundy isnt a criminal though... He is more like a stray dog biting people He isnt inteligent enough to be held accountable for his actions (most versions of him arent at least)

@@josecolon2104 but that's not the point Superman was killing petty criminals who didn't fight back just because they were criminal but actually murders like Killer frost just got to join him

WW asked Bane how he was spared, And i think he said Superman was was impressed or something, and Killer frost was a scientist and probably helps working on the watchtower and part of their attacks

Because he knows how they fight and knows what their weaknesses are. Lois' death messed with Superman's head, and Clark was never great at mental defense. Just look at what happened when he was controlled by Max Lord.

@@AdderTude But that doesnt explain why he was capable of beating Wonder Woman so easy.

@@AdderTude there's no super pill in Injustice yet this makes no sense

@@Pongus_420 read the injustice comic, is prequel to injustice video game and universe as a whole, lex luthor developed kryptonian pills, long story short it gave a strength, durability, and sense as strong as superman but before luthor perfected it he was killed by supes, before every fight batman squad use the pills, everyone knows that pills recipe thats why they all equal in terms of durability and strength. Alfred even beat superman in the comic lol using that pill

@@jasonaitken7860 read the injustice comic, is prequel to injustice video game and universe as a whole, lex luthor developed kryptonian pills, long story short it gave a strength, durability, and sense as strong as superman but before luthor perfected it he was killed by supes, before every fight batman squad use the pills, everyone knows that pills recipe thats why they all equal in terms of durability and strength. Alfred even beat superman in the comic lol using that pill

No?

No, im pretty sure most of the victims would want vengeance. Especially since most victims probably died in agony and terror.

Depends on the victim. Lois probably wouldn't want Superman to go on a killing spree. But out of the millions of dead plenty of them probably WOULD want that.

They aren't mutually exclusive

That would be nice, but that's rarely the case. Justice is for the survivors, most victims would want vengeance.

Its also why, if you noticed, superman never kills batman. He'll kill other heroes, but the main threat to him "batman", he can never bring it to himself to kill him. He'll incarcerate him, enslave him, exile him. But never kill him, no matter how angry this supes gets.

Batman wants to be hero that's it nothing less nothing, if there's no joker he will not be hero other than that he has no morals

"Never trust a friend who is silent about your flaws." Sun Tzu Change the word 'flaws' to 'mistakes,' and you have what Batman is trying to do for Superman here.

@@chiragarjun3270 not quite that’s it’s that if he starts killing he’ll never stop still Joker needs to die

Well I mean, he's a billionaire, he can just make more

@@germunjy6948 right but at THAT point how many does this man have already? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@@jimlikim5582 usually its flying back to him i'm not sure why sometimes it doesn't but its usually works like captain americas sheild its always coming back.

@@germunjy6948 in the injustice series he’s a Trillionaire I am pretty sure

Uh, I’m pretty sure they’re called Batarangs because they come back. Same as boomerangs

TBI is no joke

not as fast as flash and unexpected

Being near the bomb already dampens his power exploding the bomb just means there is a lasting effect

@@rhmb1019 Ohh

I mean, tbf. He knew he had to fight Bruce but he definitely was not ready to kill him. Guess he figured he'd atleast give him a fair chance. Or, maybe it's just lazy writing

@@TwigOnTop This Flash wasnt that fast and even some reacted to Flash

Instead of the bat armor he wears Plot Armor

Shoulda been named obi wan

that's why I couldn't take this game seriously

you're probably just a butthurt marvel fan who can't handle the fact that Batman is better.

Damien feels more like Jason Todd or a Drake/Todd hybrid

@@danielanderson8322 Oh please. Jason had a reason to be whiny given that he died and was brought back without his permission and the Joker was STILL alive. I like to think when Batman was silent in the Batwing, he was thinking of Jason, not Damian.

@@danielanderson8322 And Jason is had good reason to be mad at Batman since he still didn't kill Joker. Yet he did forgive him. Also Jason as Red hood is one of heroes that never chose side in injustice. Red hood only protects people and killing only those who truly deserve that.

Nah, he became Chairman Mao.

U r as confused as Batman to protect innocent sometimes it's necessary to kill evil

@@chiragarjun3270 it is never necessary to kill another human

@@redreaper8652 i think u live in wonderland and never faced reality

@@chiragarjun3270 i know reality enough. But we must strive at all times to make reality closer to wonderland.

@@redreaper8652 And that is how Joker was able to murder Lois, Superman's unborn child, and untold millions in Metropolis.

The dark multiverse has so many Daedalus Batman like a Batman that became a green lantern and overpowered the Green lantern corp.

so logically, superman should go for the most powerful villains first to kill them and work his way down where the punishments should be lesser and lesser... inventing counter measures to ensure say a joker level villain cant even get their hands on such weaponry.

There are many states that have forbidden the death penalty though. More states than not. Granted, nuking an American city would likely be considered a federal-level crime for which the perpetrator would almost certainly be executed (like with the Oklahoma city bombing). But if we're just talking about Joker's normal crimes, it's totally feasible that he could continually dodge execution. The federal government only executes people under _very_ dire circumstances.

@@Doc_Fun Are you sure? Mental and physical torturing, also massacre. As Batman's most dangerous opponent, even if the Joker has not nuked the city, he has killed quite enough people. Even "deadly" is too weak to describe him, as he has caused too many worse-than-death state, just like what he does with Superman in Injustice series.

@@DrPhoenixJKZ All I'm saying is that the federal government typically only intervenes when a threat is seen as a matter of national security. If the Joker kept to small-time crime, even being a serial murderer like he is, it would generally be a matter of state government and thus subject to that state's laws on the death penalty. I'm not rendering judgement on the system, just explaining how it works.

@@Doc_Fun Hmm...... That does not sound reasonal. Because in that case, if a criminal massacre the whole city, as long as it is only in that city, he will not be given death penalty. And that is what Joker is. And even if you put him in prison, he will get out very soon. So, does this mean in real life, the fedral government will do nothing to someone like Joker, until he destorys a whole city, and be ready to destroy another one and make new addition to his criminal group?

@@Doc_Fun In China, Japan, and many other Asian countries, serial killers are bad enough to be executed if all their murders are intentional murders. Just think about this: A person is not just himself, but someone precious to his family and friends. That is why nothing makes up for people's life, no matter how many. Many heavy crimanl group leaders are even able to manipulate governments. If such people are not executed after serial killing, even if they do not kill anymore, they have one or another way to destroy people's life. Even if it is not national scale, it is fairly terrible enough. Just think about this: Even one big city can have tens of thousands people. How could a serial killer in such place be not dangerous enough just because it is not national scale?

@Limerick No, batman's a pussy, due process means nothing when the joker kills thousands of people every time he escapes.

The lasso makes you tell the truth aka what you believe. Diana believes in Superman’s cause, so the lasso doesn’t change her mind on it. It would be interesting to see what effect the lasso would have on someone like the Flash on this world

@@jediman6166 In many comics, the Lasso will show someone the true evil of their actions.

That's...actually the subject of the Dark Multiverse and the story arc of Dark Knights: Metal. The Dark Knights are evil versions of Batman corresponding to different members of the Justice League who hail from the Dark Multiverse, worlds that are doomed to be destroyed.

I’d say that it’s because this is the timeline, assuming he does that, that he abandoned. It still continues without him, he just makes a new one

Or I guess more accurately, instead of himself going back, the speed sends his memories back. The reason we never see him fail or the timeline continue is because we always follow his memories back to the past

In a world where anyone can juice on super serum for instant scaling to Superman tier.

@@HenshinFanatic batman serum was never that strong. Batman still needed his kriptonite armor to fight him

Batman has faced stronger opponents, its not like he the only human to be able face stronger opponents. Just look at Ironman and Captain America.

@@nathanielclaw2841 In the injustice universe there were pills that gave you super strength, no joke this let alfred take out superman.

@Waller Thraller just shut up for the love of God batman stans are the worst.

@Waller Thraller Darkseid bodied him the next panel

@Waller Thraller he was beaten to an inch of his life by the predator lol

@Waller Thraller gcpd saved him and he was nearly dead ,the second battle ,he almost died again, until Alfred interfered to save him again.

@Waller Thraller he didn't win, he lost and was about to die until he was saved lol

Batman beat Hulk in a crossover

Because superman wanted to be defeated just like the comics. Batman even said if supes wanted him dead he would lobotomize him from space

That makes Superman sound like a super boring man. Too strong, nobody can beat him, oh God… come on. Where’s the fun in that?

@@ginsan8198 many characters are more powerful than him

@@grandcanyon-fu9zt And how stupid was that

Superman was simply blinded by his own grief. He went through Denial but stopped at Anger and decided to make the world in his image in order to "stop crime" without realizing he himself has committed numerous crimes. Recall this zinger that Blue Beetle gave him: BB: "There a line you won't cross?" Superman: "I don't hurt children." BB: "Didn't stop you with Shazam."

@@AdderTude imo the worst part of killing shazam isn't the kill itself, but the fact that shazam saved his life from lex luthor's kryptonite cannon not even an hour ago. And he was executed just because he disagreed with invading other universes. "there's far, and there's too far. You've gone far enough, superman!" - Red hood

Yeaahhh, Permanent Brain Damage can start to occur After a person has been unconscious for more then 15 minutes so.....