Battery Bank Sizing: Off Grid Solar Power System Design - Step 2

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@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
that makes good sense to draw everything out like that and also show it to someone else who knows more than I do,,thanks for you're time,,,regards::::Bill R.................................
@MrCparlak
@MrCparlak 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this very informative training.
@vidyadharmaralkar6381
@vidyadharmaralkar6381 3 жыл бұрын
Hi cemal do you have interest in solar design with pvsyst or helioscope
@boblevey
@boblevey 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video education!!! Thank you
@habibali2925
@habibali2925 7 жыл бұрын
Hi I have a lot of questions about solar energy and sure I will going on with watching you videos and visit your site to know more about that..because I want to start my own business in this field...thanks a lot and I appreciate your efforts wish a nice and happy day for you
@muhammadismail5734
@muhammadismail5734 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing explanation thank you so much
@ammarali1205
@ammarali1205 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for your efforts and this amount of information .....Keep going
@josealmeida5768
@josealmeida5768 4 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏 love your channel!
@lachlanbird9688
@lachlanbird9688 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video .
@christopherboone9885
@christopherboone9885 6 жыл бұрын
Any benefits to having duel battery banks say 420ah in one and 420 ah in the other and having the opportunity to put the both together for 840ah ?
@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jacqueswolfaardt5481
@jacqueswolfaardt5481 7 жыл бұрын
I need a bit of help doing it the other way around please. I am looking at buying a battery bank with 16Kva batterys (48volt system). My max usage is about 3000watts per hour. My non electrical head tells me its about 10hours ?? Thanks
@bernarddeham4787
@bernarddeham4787 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for those very clear tutorials. Why do you restrict your battery bank voltage to 48Vdc? Low voltage = high current = high fire hazard or high cost (high gauge)... I may come up with a silly idea, but I'm considering a solution enabling both power and water supply (to a water tower) from the same PV array, but using a solar pump inverter in order to preserve my batteries, the most expensive part in all this... Pump inverters usually need a quite high DC input. We do not need to pump water like seven eleven 24h X 7 days... so the idea is to have a PV array that can be reconfigured from 2 strings of 6 panels in series (250W-60) = POWER into one string of 12 panels in series to get that high voltage = WATER. The MPPT controller shall be able to handle 300Vdc PV input, >3000W, and charge a 96V battery bank. Voc=37.1 Vdc, %/°C = -0.32%, t°=5°C, =>Voc=39.47Vdc x 6 = 236.85Vdc W input Max irradiance = irradiance at noon Max t° 65° Pmax 250W %/°C = -0.47% P65° = 2,436W; 2,436W ÷ 96V= 25.4A => 30A. I can achieve the reconfiguration with two DC Isolator Switches 4 Poles I would not be able to do that with a 100V or 150V DC max MPPT controller, the switching POWER => WATER would be more tricky... Some Morningstar products accept up to 600VDC PV input...
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
With Tesla's announcement of their 350VDC Powerwall battery, some inverter manufacturers are developing inverters to support a 350V battery bank. However, most inverters still only support up to 48V. I suspect this will be changing soon as availability of the Powerwall battery grows.
@mikebalbes6631
@mikebalbes6631 2 жыл бұрын
Would you take into consideration the battery efficiency?
@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
I just recently noticed something,,, I'm very new to Solar I studied up on all this stuff then hooked up my 4 golf cart batteries 2 strings I hooked positive and negative together on two batteries then I hooked up the other 2 batterys the same way, I then connected the first string to the second string by way of hooking up the negatives together,,,,well in all my excitement about everything I then hooked up the charge controller,,,real nice pro star ps 30 m,,,then my panels,,,made sure everything was fused and grounded,,,,got a real nice samlex pst 300,,,works great,,,well the other day I was checking the water level in the batterys and got to looking around and seen that I had forgot to hook up the the other side of the strings+pos.from one string to the other.?????I was and am hooked up across the bank diagonally it was getting 12 volts and still am,,,well after I made the correction I found my self wondering how was it able to work like that???was I only getting amps from one string???anyone know please feel free to enlighten me,the only thing connecting the strings were the_negative from one string to the other,,,,idk,whatever you do especially if you are new don't be overcome by the excitement of what you're doing take time to really look at things good and maybe get a friend for a second set of eyes to look at it too that's what I've done now,,,anyhow thought I would chime in on that
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
+bill767667 You guessed it right, you tried to wire 2 parallel strings of 2 in series, but you ended up with two sets of batteries wired in series, but not wired together in parallel. So you had 12V, but only half the amp hour expected, from one string, not 2. Whenever I am building a system, I draw a rough schematic, and will trace everything out between the system and the drawing.
@unitedpro1609
@unitedpro1609 7 жыл бұрын
Amy, step F: Determine total number of batteries needed. The formula should be number of parallel strings that is 2 times number of batteries in each series string.
@aamirsaeed5593
@aamirsaeed5593 4 жыл бұрын
how did you convert Temp into multiplier?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
@Jac Wolf - I can't reply to your comment, your settings may not allow it. So, in case you read the other comments, I'm assuming you mean 16kWh battery bank. If so, figuring 50% depth of discharge, that leaves you 8kWh or 8000Wh / 3000W load = 2.6 hours. That's not including other losses like inverter inefficiencies and temperature compensation.
@chriscates3352
@chriscates3352 Жыл бұрын
thank you for explaing about the 2 paralell strings. i didnt know and did 8 car battery that way. i got 12 volt inverters, so i think i'll run 2 strings of 48 volt, and tap into one battery on each leg. got plenty of controllers to charge for 48 volt
@user-yh4uj2sx9x
@user-yh4uj2sx9x 6 жыл бұрын
hi thanks for the calculation. I have one doubt, how did u end up picking up 48 V?? Was that just your choice? Could i have chosen a 24V system voltage. So in that case it would have 16,986 Wh divided by 24V and than i would have carried on with other calculations.? Would that have been ok as well ?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 6 жыл бұрын
While you could do 24V, it creates some issues with large battery banks. #1, if you also have a large solar array, you will need 2x bigger charge controller, or twice as many. For example, if you have a 5000W solar / 48V battery bank = 104A of charge controllers. But if you have a 24V battery bank, 5000W / 24V = 2o8A charge controllers. #2, if you have a big inverter, that causes high current going into the inverter from the battery bank. For example, 8kW inverter / 48V = 166A. But for a 24V inverter, it would be 333A. That would take bigger battery cables and breaker or fuse. #3, you would need a higher amp hour battery bank. 17kWh / 48V = 354Ah, but / 24V = 708Ah, which can be tougher to make without doing multiple parallel strings. But, if it is a medium size system, and all of the math comes out reasonable, then yes, divide by 24V.
@Nostrildomus
@Nostrildomus 5 жыл бұрын
How many twelve volt battery's does it take 35 amps five hours to charge ? Thanks
@anthonymarino4260
@anthonymarino4260 4 жыл бұрын
now i understand thanks
@Cdswjp
@Cdswjp Жыл бұрын
awesome
@rongray4118
@rongray4118 4 ай бұрын
Amy - I am trying to reach the technical desk at altE because we may need to upgrade/add another pre-wired SW4048 to our system. We need to charge (2) Absolyte GX 48vot/2,000 Amp hour Battery banks. Please help direct us if you are able. Thank you.
@unitedpro1609
@unitedpro1609 7 жыл бұрын
Amy, StepD: Determine number of series strings should be changed to Determine minimum battery capacity .
@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
I have 4_6 volt golf cart batterys 4_100 watt panels,morning star charge controller ps30m,the batterys are 188amp hour excide,I use 12 volts as much as possible,I use a 300watt samlex pst sine wave inverter,and I also have a few different generators,I want to know,,,can I safely add 4 more batteries wired to same as I have no series parallel so I'll have to series parallels instead of the one so I can have more TV watching time on the weekend and other things can I do this without hurting the bank(battery),, I assume it would be safe to do
@carultch
@carultch 7 жыл бұрын
Does it help or hinder to cross-connect battery banks in parallel, so that the intermediate voltages throughout the parallel groups are equalized? What I mean: Suppose I have a 2x2 battery bank. Batteries 1 and 2 are in series. Batteries 3 & 4 are in series. Batteries 1 and 3 are the most negative batteries, with their negatives connected. Batteries 2 and 4 are the most positive batteries, with their positives connected. Should I connect the positive of battery 3, to the positive of battery 1, in the above bank? What are the advantages / disadvantages of doing this?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely yes, connect diagonally. If you were to connect just from 1 & 2, due to the additional resistance of the parallel cables, and Ohm's Law, they would get most of the charging and discharging, creating an imbalanced battery bank. Connect the minus on battery 1 and the plus on battery 4.
@jtg2314
@jtg2314 5 жыл бұрын
On the battery bank sizing: example (part 1), do you also need to take into account the charge controller efficiency?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 5 жыл бұрын
We take the charge controller efficiency into account when sizing the solar array, not the battery bank.
@jtg2314
@jtg2314 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the reply.
@tuberez
@tuberez 3 жыл бұрын
I have 10 300w panels about 30 ft from the garage I'm trying to figure out if I should put the inverter batteries controller in a shed next to the panels and run AC to the garage or what I would rather do is have inverter batteries controller in the garage. What size wire would I need for 30ft run? Can't find that info anywhere. Love your videos!
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 3 жыл бұрын
How are you wiring the panels? Five parallel strings of 2 in series? What voltage is your battery bank? 30' isn't too bad to run the panels to get into the garage. Find the Vmp of the panels, times the number in series, and the Imp of the panels x the number in parallel, and use this voltage drop calculator to determine the wire size. You want less than 2% voltage drop. www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html
@tuberez
@tuberez 3 жыл бұрын
@@AltEStore Yes 5 strings of 2 each. 4 12v batteries to make 48v since panels are 48v.
@tomscott7292
@tomscott7292 2 жыл бұрын
My array is 85' from my electrical room and The loss is negligible.
@thefaeryman
@thefaeryman 9 жыл бұрын
I will live in Becket, ma,, should I locate my battery bank in a outdoor shed or in a unheated room in my house that I can ventilate to the outside?So I have seen off grid'ers that have successful setups with a very large battery bank, like Justin Case on youtube, why is there a no more than three bank rule? best
@MrNeucleon
@MrNeucleon 7 жыл бұрын
@2:32 min: how Pararell limitation come from?.. if i can't wire only in 2 string (such as 7-10Kw...maybe 4 or 5 up). how many amount of Pararell string appropriate to design ?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
It is recommended never to do more than 3 strings in parallel, as the batteries can get unevenly charged and discharged due to uneven resistance. Some recommend only 2, and some even say never parallel. To get a larger battery bank, use lower voltage, higher amp hour batteries. So for example, to get a 48V 50kWh battery bank, use 24 of the L-16-RE-2V in series. They are 2V 1110Ah each, so 24 of them is 48V x 1110Ah = 53kWh.
@hicoteo
@hicoteo 7 жыл бұрын
I live in the Caribbean where we get around 5 - 6 hours of intense sun a day based on maps. I want to run a 50watt deep freezer for 8 hours a day (400 WH) using a 12v, 2000watt inverter with a PWM controller. Based on two days without sun, this video's calculation recommends a 8000 Ah battery bank yet only 119 watt solar panel! In areas such as the Caribbean, with many hours of reliable sun, can you reduce the size of the battery bank and increase the solar panels when appliances, like a fridge, are run only during peak hours like from 9am to 4pm?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
I think you missed a step in the calculation, that battery bank is too big. 400Wh / .9 inverter efficiency x 2 days \50% DoD x 1.11 temperature / 12V = 164Ah. But to your original question, load shifting can be tricky to calculate. Yes, it makes sense that if you run the freezer when the sun is shining, you'll need a smaller battery bank, because you are using the power almost as fast as it is being made, so you don't have much to store. The problem comes with your 2 days of autonomy without sun. You still need the full amount of storage to run without the sun, plus you need to make sure your battery bank is full and ready to go before those two sunless days hit. So if you used all of the power real time the day before, you may not have charged the battery bank fully as well, if your load used most of the power. That that can be managed a bit by making sure the battery bank is full to begin with, and you size the solar array to be big enough to make all of the power use use, plus a little extra to ensure the battery is always topped off.
@hicoteo
@hicoteo 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your reply and all your videos! I'll probably double the bank and panels since that is about what I use now without the freezer.
@craftycrafter6595
@craftycrafter6595 7 жыл бұрын
hi there, can you clear something up for me. I am trying to figure out an equation for my battery bank. If I want to find out the amount of amps that my 140 watt tv uses, do I need to divide 140 watts by 240v ac(as this is what my inverter produces) Or do I divide 140 watts by 12v (my battery voltage). my battery bank is 115 amp hours so I want to know how long I can run the television for. thanks!
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
I see from your channel you are in Ireland, so the 240V (or possibly 230V?) output from your inverter is what you would be using to power your AC appliances. I wanted to check what country, as here in the USA, 240V is split into two legs of 120V, so the answer would be different. So for you, to determine the amps drawn by your TV on the output of the inverter, you divide watts by AC volts. So 140W / 240V = .58A on the AC side. Now if you want to find out how many amps your inverter is drawing from the batteries to power the TV, that's when you divide the watts by the battery voltage. 140W / 12V = 11.6A on the DC side. I hope that makes sense.
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
What might be easier for you is to convert everything to watt hours. Your battery bank is 115Ah x 12V = 1380Wh. You don't want to use more than half of that for 50% depth of discharge, so you have 690Wh available. 690Wh / 140W TV = 4.9 hours. It may make sense for you to buy a newer TV that uses less watts, 140W is pretty high for a TV these days.
@gbmwp
@gbmwp 10 ай бұрын
Δηλαδή η αντλία θερμότητας με το ηλιακό δουλεύει μόνο για οταν χρειαστεί να ζεστάνει το νερό οταν δεν φθάνει από το ηλιακό; Η το ζεστο νερό μπορεί να μπει και στο κύκλωμα των σωμάτων να ζεσταίνει το νερό ;
@scotthenderson4376
@scotthenderson4376 7 жыл бұрын
I just say something about sizing the battery bank by array size controller max out out amp and voltage. ie...2k array, 79 amp max out put controller and 24 battery bank not up to par? (2000 79x24= 1896) by what I heard a 36v or higher voltage bank should be used? Is this correct?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
There are several factors that go into deciding the battery bank voltage. Very few companies make 36V equipment, so if 24V isn't high enough, you would go up to 48V. Your example of the 2000W array and 79A controller is a good one. 2000W / 12V = 166A, so that won't work. 2000W / 24V = 83A, so again, no good. 2000W / 48V = 41A. Bingo!
@scotthenderson4376
@scotthenderson4376 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks fr verification I was hoping it would work, I really didn't want to g with that many batteries Great info
@hussainzada521
@hussainzada521 5 жыл бұрын
can we use 2 24v 400ah batteries in series (2*24)*400=19200wh? from this method we can use 2 batteries instead of 16batteries 6v.
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 5 жыл бұрын
If you can find 24V 400Ah batteries (9600Wh) and they will fit in your location, you can use them. But they will likely be very big, especially if lead acid.
@acefire4050
@acefire4050 Жыл бұрын
For note I have an 8000 watt 12 volt inverter what is 16000 surge capability.
@JMZE10311
@JMZE10311 8 жыл бұрын
If I'm understanding your video correctly, I should never have more than two batteries in parallel? WOW! I've seen dozens of videos where battery banks have 10 or even 20 batteries in parallel. Are they all doing it wrong? I currently have a bank of 10, 12 volt batteries wired as two in series and five in parallel to get to 24 volts. Is this really a bad thing?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
Multiple lead acid batteries in parallel run the risk of uneven charging and discharging, potentially shortening the batteries' life. When you next need to replace the battery bank, perhaps select a higher amp hour, lower voltage battery to allow more in series and less in parallel. Newer technology batteries that are able to operate in a partial state of charge (PSoC), such as the salt water, nickel, and some lead batteries with carbon do not have this restriction.
@alirezaforozande
@alirezaforozande 7 сағат бұрын
Great
@justfly2525
@justfly2525 4 жыл бұрын
What about BMS? If you have a BMS then can you run more strings? What about lithium batteries that have a built in BMS? I'm looking at doing a large lithium system with built in BMS running 4 strings...
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 4 жыл бұрын
Most lithium are able to manage more strings than lead acid due to their battery maintenance system.
@ryanromano2954
@ryanromano2954 7 жыл бұрын
hi there can u help about battery power capacity. 2×200ah 24volts system. and 2×200ah in 12 volts system are these two set of battery are the same in terms of power capacity if both fully charge which is 4800 watts im curius
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
I assume you mean if there are two 12V 200Ah batteries, in one system they are wired in series for 200Ah, 24V, and in another system they are wired in parallel for 12V 400Ah. In both cases, the battery bank would have the same capacity, Ah x V = Wh, so they would both have 4800Wh capacity.
@ryanromano2954
@ryanromano2954 7 жыл бұрын
altE tnx for the info really apreciate.... can i ask one more thing i have 4×150watts 12volt panel conected in series... when i use tester theres 12volt output in the cross conection of 4×150watts...can i hook may additional 150watts panel in the cros conection is that advisable or might cause a problem or power drop and voltage drop
@sherellucasemmanuelcarsola6896
@sherellucasemmanuelcarsola6896 5 жыл бұрын
hello anyone who knows how to do a 3125AH battery bank capacity with the 2 string that is best adviseable in this video? the highest AH battery i can find online is 1000 in parallel that would be 2000 only. so that is my problem. is there a higher AH battery in the market? if anyone knows please point me the direction website link etc..thank you in advance and very much appreciated whatever help i can get.
@edfreen8379
@edfreen8379 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Amy, at 3:53 did you mean to say "24v at 400 Ah"?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 9 жыл бұрын
Freen Ed Amy thanks you for catching the error! We are working to make the correction.
@jeromjebendren5897
@jeromjebendren5897 6 жыл бұрын
A village comprising of 100 houses is to be electrified using Solar PV array, a suitable battery bank an Inverter to convert DC to AC, 400 V three phase distribution line and other accessories. 1. There are 20 houses having high consumption with 5 Nos. 10 W lamps, 10 Nos. 8 W lamps three ceiling fans of capacity 60 W each and a 20“ TV of 80 W capacity. 2. There are 50 medium size houses having 3 Nos. 10 W lamps, 5 Nos. 8W lamps, one ceiling fan of 60 W capacity and a 15” TV of 60 W capacity. 3. The balance 30 houses have 2 Nos. 10 W lamps, 4 Nos. 8 W lamps and a 12 “ TV of 30 W capacity. The village is to be given electricity for 1 Hr. in the morning and 3 Hrs. in the evening. The battery is a special deep discharge type battery which can go to a depth of discharge of 80% and the battery is to have an autonomy (should be able to operate independent of the solar PV system) for 2 days. Daily average solar insolation is to be taken as 5.5 kWh/m² throughout the year. Find the capacity of the Solar array using the commercially available solar PV panels of which specifications are given , the DC/AC inverter of which the specifications are attached.Design the battery bank using 200Ah lead acid special deep discharge batteries. Assume a mismatch factor of 95%, Inverter efficiency of 97% and the effective capacity of the solar panel drops by 20% due to ambient temperature throughout the day and the Battery efficiency of 90%..Design a Stand Alone Solar Power system for the village and draw the Lay out Diagram Can you please help me to solve this ? Can I get the answer for this?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 6 жыл бұрын
Are you asking us to do your homework for you? Here's some help. Step 1, create a loads list. How many watt hours is each group using a day. Multiply the watts times the hours, then add up the total. From there you can use the equation to determine the amount of solar. We use Wh / sun hours (5.5 in your example) / .65 for losses. You may be taught a different number for losses, this is an average we use. That will give you the watts. The formula we use for batteries may be a little differnent than you are taught, bu we use Wh / inverter efficiency x days autonomy x battery temperature compensation / DoD% / battery bank voltage. Here's a video where we go through all of the steps. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ea6Jict_ydK9fWg.html
@dderrick180
@dderrick180 3 жыл бұрын
Why the required battery capacity have to divide the depth of discharge?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 3 жыл бұрын
Since you can't use all of the battery capacity, you have to make sure you size the battery big enough to hold the amount of usable energy. For example, if you need 100Ah of energy, but can only use half of the stored energy without damaging the battery, you need to get a battery twice as big, 200Ah, to make sure it has enough to use and enough to stay in the battery to prevent damage.
@dderrick180
@dderrick180 3 жыл бұрын
@@AltEStore thanks a lot ! I'm currently studying solar photovoltaic system in school.
@mohaimen5964
@mohaimen5964 7 жыл бұрын
what will be the battery temperature multiplier over 25degree celcius?? will be 1. something or less??
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
Terrific question. Yes, if the battery is stored above 25C, the capacity of the battery increases. Different batteries vary, but you can see the graph on page 38 of the Concorde AGM battery manual, it increases by 5 or 10%. www.altestore.com/static/datafiles/Others/Sun_Xtender_Battery_Technical_Manual.pdf. However, keep in mind, heat can decrease the life of a battery, so while you may get a little more capacity keeping it in a hot room, it may shorten its life.
@mohaimen5964
@mohaimen5964 7 жыл бұрын
thank you
@mohaimen5964
@mohaimen5964 7 жыл бұрын
just a recap lets say my capacity above 25degree is 120% if i wanted to store it 100Ah thn my battery temperature multiplier wud be 0.20 right? battery capacity= 100*0.20=20Ah battery needed to store for 120% did i do it right???
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 7 жыл бұрын
Nope, you got the inverse. If it is 20% better, then a 100Ah battery can store 120Ah. So an 83Ah battery could hold 100Ah at a hotter temperature. (83Ah x 1.2 = 100Ah)
@mohaimen5964
@mohaimen5964 7 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot i get it now
@zahidmuhammad4576
@zahidmuhammad4576 6 жыл бұрын
If I use 2V,600A-H, in series. (24No) what will be the WH capacity
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 6 жыл бұрын
The watt hours is the same regardless how you wire them. What changes is the amp hours. Each battery 2V x 600Ah = 1200Wh x 24 batteries = 28,800Wh. If you wire them in one string in series, you will have 48V, 600Ah battery bank. (48V x 600Ah = 28,800Wh. If you wire them 2 parallel strings of 12 in series, you will have 24V 1200Ah. 24V x 1200Ah = 28,800Wh.
@zahidmuhammad4576
@zahidmuhammad4576 6 жыл бұрын
How we calculate the backup time if the operating load is 12000watts for 9 hrs for 28800wh
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 6 жыл бұрын
It depends on the type of battery. If it is lead acid, the equation is as shown in the video at 9:40. First, I'm guessing you mean 1200W, not 12,000W load. 1200W x 9 hours = 10,800 watt hours (Wh). 10,800Wh / .9 inverter loss x 1 day without sun x temperature compensation 1.11 (15C) / 50% depth of discharge = 26,640Wh per day without sun. So that 28,800Wh is perfect for 9 hours of backup.
@dougmc666
@dougmc666 6 жыл бұрын
Why would I triple the cost of my batteries to get three days capacity when I have a generator?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 6 жыл бұрын
When designing the system, you have to find the balance between paying for more fuel for the generator or more batteries. It's a balancing act that you need to decide the right balance.
@notcook628
@notcook628 5 жыл бұрын
You also have to consider how often you need to lug gas to a generator. My goal is to never need the generator.
@FrancisOpoku
@FrancisOpoku 9 жыл бұрын
I think the first cell of the first column and roll of "Step F" should read "Number of parallel strings" and not "Number of series strings"
@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
is it a bad idea to run a George foreman grill or a small microwave on a 12 volt battery bank of I think 372amps hours,,,(4_186amp hour 6_volt golf cart batterys),for 3_5 minutes.a day???or is this honda eu2000i job???
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
+bill767667 A 6 person George Foreman grill draws around 1400W, and depending on the microwave, that could draw 800W - 1800W. If memory serves me, you have a 300W Samlex inverter, so without buying new equipment, running the high wattage appliance off your system isn't an option. If you did have an inverter big enough for the draw, figure that 1400W / 12V = 116 amps. That would cause a bit of a voltage drop on the battery bank when it is drawing that much current, if your battery bank was already low, it could trigger a low voltage disconnect from the inverter.
@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks,I bought a cheapie modified sine wave job,,,1500 watts continuous and I believe 3000 Watts surge I have that hooked up to 2/0 ,welding cable to the bank,,, bolted on with a 200 amp inline fuse, I have an old storm cellar type basement so I went down there with my masonary hammer drill in the corner in a kind of discrete area out of the way and drill down past the cement floor into the earth and drove in a piece of threaded steel rod and I have a hydraulic crimper to crimp lugs and pins and things on a wire so I crimped to log on both ends of welding cable cuz I bought a pretty good size role of that and I bolted onto the rod in the basement , its all insulated and its soft strand and flexible I ran it back upstairs to where the inverter is and I use that for my ground for the inverter,,,, now do you think using this is good enough for my ground,,, I have my Samlex 300 PST 300 on that same ground should it have its own ground rod and its own wire or can it share the ground wire ???? when I get the money I will get a Big sine wave,,,youinsguys have some nice inverters I'll to order one when I can,,, I run my refrigerator sometimes for 8 or 10 hours a day,,,,off my bank right now with the modified sine wave probably not a good idea but there's nothing digital on it,,,
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
+bill767667 It should be fine to run both inverters to the same ground. The modified sinewave inverter should be ok to run your fridge, people have been doing that for decades. It might make the compressor run a little hotter than on a pure sine wave, but you should be fine. Here;s a cool test you can do. Use your volt meter to measure the voltage of the battery bank. When you turn on the grill, see if the volts of the battery bank drop a lot, or just a little. That should give you a good indication of it should be run off your generator. Another fun thing you can do is plug in a Kill-a-watt meter to the output of the inverter, and measure how many watt hours you are running devices off the battery bank. Multiply it by 1000 for watt hours, and then divide by 12V for amp hours. For example, if you run 1000W for 2 hours, that's 2kWh. 2kWh x 1000 = 2000Wh / 12V = 166Ah. That's almost half of your battery bank, so 50% depth of discharge. www.altestore.com/store/meters-communications-site-analysis/meters-battery-monitors/power-meters/kill-a-watt-electricity-usage-meter-p4400-p932/
@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@HonBernardRRanga
@HonBernardRRanga 6 жыл бұрын
your battery bank must be double the autonomy kwh.so having two bank of 177 Ah 48 v will drain the battery bank to 0 % srate of charge.two banks of 177 Ah 48 v in parallel will add up capacity to 354 Ah 48.which is your required kwh for 3 days.so to achieve DOD of 50% you would need to double up the proposed battery bank.
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 6 жыл бұрын
At 9:05, we divided by .5 for 50% DoD, which is the same as multiplying by 2. So we took that into account.
@HonBernardRRanga
@HonBernardRRanga 6 жыл бұрын
sorry i missed that you had accounted 0.5 depth of discharge.
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for keeping us honest. :)
@megadawg342
@megadawg342 7 жыл бұрын
At 9:35 your math seems wrong. 2,379 x 3 days = 7,137 x 1.19 - 8,493 / .50% = 4,246 Where am I going wrong?
@megadawg342
@megadawg342 7 жыл бұрын
Never mind, I understand. 50% discharge means TWICE the requirement!
@TelmoMonteiro
@TelmoMonteiro 8 жыл бұрын
Series strings shortens battery's life more than parallel strings. In series the possibility of overcharging independent cells inside the battery is greater, resulting in premature failing of the pack just because of one cell. Am I wrong?
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
+Telmo Monteiro With series wiring, all of the current has to go through all of the cells, since that's the only way. Current takes the path of least resistance. With parallel wiring, the resistance of the interconnection cables can be different, causing different possible paths with different resistance. Using as few parallel strings as possible is the healthiest option for your battery bank.
@TelmoMonteiro
@TelmoMonteiro 8 жыл бұрын
That's right, but that's also why we should wire the cables in diagonal, not straight. (Like using the first plus and last minus).
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
+Telmo Monteiro Right, that helps, but if you have 3 or more strings, the middle strings will still have higher resistance than the end strings.
@jameswilsin5348
@jameswilsin5348 4 жыл бұрын
My batterys are in side
@willembudde7512
@willembudde7512 7 жыл бұрын
I will go with 1 battery, 48 volt type: 24-85-21 charging 6 hours = 850 aph, after 20 hours = 1340 aph total KW = 64.3 that's 4 days electricity on reserve for charging EV vehicle and night-electricity with AC & pump it only cost $7000 :D Source: www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Amp_to_kW_Calculator.htm gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html Remember if you go with those batteries, they required "distilled water" NOT TAP-WATER, batteries cells don't like calcium(
@bill767667
@bill767667 8 жыл бұрын
how about 4____L16 batterys and a good 2000watt sine wave inverter,,,@12 volts could you run the George and small microwave,not at the same time,,,,or would 24 volts be better,,,,how many panels would I need to support a 24 volt battery bank made up of 8 ,t105 batterys,,,L16 would probably be better,,,,could you give me the numbers for each type of bank at 24 volts,,,one made up of,t105,,,,and one of L16,batterys,,,and what about charge controller,,,I can go up to 800watts I think on my pro star ps 30at 24volts,,,I have been thinking about buying another ps30,to parallel two for my,372amp hour 12volt bank I have now,,,I'll have to get,4___more,100,watt panels ,,,I'm thinking it would help with overcast days and shading,,,,later if I go to 24 volt,having 2 ,,,ps30 I'll have the capacity or ability to go up to 1600 watts of Solar I think if I'm looking it this right,,,,or I could stay at 12 volts for a while and have 800watts.....
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
+bill767667 You are probably better served giving one of our sales reps a call to discuss pros and cons of each option. There's way too much going on with your system at this point to handle in comments. Call 877-878-4060 from North America.
@coziii.1829
@coziii.1829 4 жыл бұрын
It’s so confusing to me
@willarddevoe5893
@willarddevoe5893 2 жыл бұрын
This professional advocates batteries in parallel. Wrong. You can run separate charge circuits sharing the same solar cells, but don't connect the batteries to each other. Differences in voltage will trash the charges and lifespan of your batteries.
@terinsawin5538
@terinsawin5538 2 жыл бұрын
More theories more confusing
@trinamcdonald5686
@trinamcdonald5686 8 жыл бұрын
Whatever. You are just a dealer trying to pump up sales.
@trinamcdonald5686
@trinamcdonald5686 8 жыл бұрын
Yur math is out to LUNCH in the worst way. By your numbers the actuall number of batteries you need is 4.
@AltEStore
@AltEStore 8 жыл бұрын
+Trina McDonald If you go back and watch starting at 8:13, I walk you through the math. You can see that sixteen 190AH 6V batteries are needed for a 48V 2192Wh load, when all of the variables are added. (That battery model is selected at 10:15).(2146Wh AC loads / 0.92 inverter efficiency) + 44Wh DC loads = 2379Wh x 3 days autonomy x 1.19 temperature compensation / 50% DoD = 16,986Wh. After all of the variables, my watt hour requirements have increased by almost 8x, from 2146Wh to 16,986Wh. If I divide that by my 48V system, that is 354Ah needed. If I use the 190Ah 6V battery from the example, I would need strings of 8 in series to make 48V (6V x 8 = 48V). And I need 2 parallel strings of them to make at least the 354Ah needed (190Ah x 2 = 380Ah) 2 parallel strings of 8 in series = 16 batteries. Four 6V 190Ah batteries would only make 24V 190Ah, 4560Wh. I need 4x that.
@trinamcdonald5686
@trinamcdonald5686 8 жыл бұрын
If you are going to teach, learn first.
@bob-ii8oe
@bob-ii8oe 2 жыл бұрын
your battery chemistry is out of date .wet cells and sla batteries are dead tec and a false value .remake the video using lifepo4 batteries please.
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