Is the VW Route planner in Id Software 3.5 any good?

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0:00 Intro
0:50 How to use it
3:08 Starting the trip
4:40 It changed the route
5:12 The experience so far
8:02 First charging stop
11:45 Id.3 on the road
13:54 Second charging stop
18:42 Destination
19:09 Analyze the trip
21:36 Cost
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@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

My calculations for the price for 100 km are totally wrong. Since I didn't charge back to 76% But it still shows the correct difference between the plans.

@typxxilps Жыл бұрын

ionity is dead considering the stalling prices for electricity at home if you sign a new contract in germany. Ridiculous prices at 70 cent

@brutjbro Жыл бұрын

Is there any reasonable plan in Germany for foreigners without address in Germany for short term, but long haul trips? Something without contract or with contract that you can pre-pay only for a month and then cancel? Prices with WeCharge Free are insane, trip would cost 50% more then with Toyota HEV (petrol 6.5-7 L / 100 km at 130-140 km /h).

@NickFoster Жыл бұрын

@@typxxilps Ionity has always been really expensive compared to other networks if you are not a member.

@MrChakra108 Жыл бұрын

@@typxxilps What price would you propose for hyperfast charging? You're paying for the convenience of charging speed and the locations etc. You won't charge 150 to 300 kW at home. If you're lucky then 11 kW on 3-phase AC. Here in Ireland charging at 150 kW on the "national" charging network (run by semi-state electricy utility company akin to German EON) costs €0.62. And there's 1 to 2 chargers at a site max. Ionity has 4 to 6 per site so you never queue. Tesla Superchargers cost about €0.60 too.

@whoami3343 Жыл бұрын

I always thought these chargers sell electricity at self cost.. It really doesnt make sense for someone driving 10k-20k a year to buy a electric vehicle.. you are better off buying cheapest diesel that has consumption of 4-5l per 100km Only reason why Im buying one is because of panels. And even then I will save only around 2k Eur a year on petrol when Im driving 30k a year if I wouldnt have it for free the cost for juice is almost the same.

@palusisko Жыл бұрын

I fell in love to ID3 facelift - much much better feeling of design and infotainment for me :-) Good test!

@Basieleke Жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, I like this kind of tests more than other travel tests. I think more EV testers should make long distance trips using the in car navigation to evaluate actual travel times. Because some cars are very efficient and charge fast but if you use navigation it takes wrong decisions cancelling the effect of the fast charging. Consumers will use in car navigation so very nice real life test.

@UnnDunn Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comprehensive EV route planner test. We need more of these from a variety of EVs.

@backwoodsbungalow9674 Жыл бұрын

At 19:10 the comparison with ABRP is interesting. I like that ABRP considers temperature, elevation change and speed.

@rasmussrensen6119 Жыл бұрын

id Software - Creators of Doom and Quake.

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Correct

@ademcguinness8132 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the content, as always, entertaining and factual. Your journey with Walter was one of the main reasons we bought our ID3 pro S (First Edition), however VW's software roll out is nothing short of failed promises. Late last year we had to leave the car at the dealer for three days to have 12V battery recall completed, replacement SOS module and update to Version 2.4. Now 3.2 has been out for a while, but in the UK conflicting news about its roll out being pulled due to too many vehicles being bricked at dealerships (going from 2.4 to 3.2) A great car to drive, but VW and software...Sigh...🤨

@simondehaas8784 Жыл бұрын

Interesting vdeo, thanks. Probably worth saying that on wecharge free, Ionity was more expensive until recently. I have a contract until January where Ionity is 69p/kwh and all other DC chargers are 60p/kwh. I'm quite impressed by the planner's performance, better than expected, I just wish it had a filter to prevent it taking me to any sites with

@stefanvanvuuren3931 Жыл бұрын

Where it says no results yet (time stamp 2:46), you need to wait a few seconds. It shows it to you in a list on V 3.2.

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ma40 Жыл бұрын

And zooming out can help too!

@simondehaas8784 Жыл бұрын

@@ma40yes, this. Same on 3.0.

@rolandwoodbridge6281 Жыл бұрын

I have V 3.2 and have found that list. I was driving at the time, so was not clear where any of the alternatives were located. Perhaps I should have been able to zoom out on map view?

@iconfuez6538 Жыл бұрын

Went on vacation (from Netherlands to Italy) with my ID.3 on software 3.2 and it went very smoothly. Can't wait for 3.5 and the improvements it bring.

@timbakker4631 Жыл бұрын

How was the charging availability on the way?

@iconfuez6538 Жыл бұрын

@@timbakker4631 Good! Expected it to worsen the farther south you go, but it was okay. Might be a problem in high season though when you get in Italy because I felt like the amount of chargers is quite limited during peak times.

@frankdroste2970 Жыл бұрын

When entering Italy, did the map update in time. Last year it took me a day (with good internet) to get the map for local navigation.

@iconfuez6538 Жыл бұрын

@@frankdroste2970 the map updates in real-time on id software 3.2

@Notagain640 Жыл бұрын

My Skoda Enyaq came preinstalled with 3.1 last August ( I''m still on 3.1). All the route planning with charge along the way, percentage left when reaching the destination, prioritize powerpass etc that all is available in 3.1.

@Lascarnn Жыл бұрын

Hello, people from VW: 1. I would like specify my preferences regarding charging stop duration. I personally prefer to stop more often, but for shorter periods of time, for example 15 mins every 90-120 minutes. 2. You should really learn what is the driver's usuall driving style, or give the option to the user to decide. For example, what is the speed on highway. You should have all the data necessary. 3. There could be an option - "i need a pee break in about 30-60 mins", that would adjust to it. There should be no pee breaks without charging :) Keep improving! (and please get rid of those haptic buttons, and bring back more physical controls, for example for climate control :) )

@Lascarnn Жыл бұрын

It's much better now... All automakers have navigation that doesn't always bring the best choices (Tesla included). It's just because automakers prefer to guess the best outcome, not giving users too much options to choose from, because that would be too complicated for some

@moonshot85 6 ай бұрын

I love this colour green and the face looks sooo much better

@cg986 Жыл бұрын

Nice and sunny day. Must be a pretty green mix you put in the battery when charging!

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Ionity would be a 100% green

@ID.SuperFan-tq8xi Жыл бұрын

ID.3 😍

@shemmo Жыл бұрын

I like that VW finally has referal program for influencers and users

@madsloldrup 10 ай бұрын

When choosing another charger like you did in the video at 2:45, you need to wait a few seconds and then the car will come up with some other chargers. So it does work!

@laszlovegh9162 Жыл бұрын

Hi, great video. Do know whether the “old” id3-s will get the 3.5 update?

@carlomorischi3435 Жыл бұрын

The slider for “remaining charge at destination” should be from 0 to 100% (or 90%) if I want to arrive with an (almost) full battery to use the next day

@andersmjakobsen 11 ай бұрын

14:29 each hypercharger has 300 Kw when both plug are in use you’re capped to 150Kw - the biggest charging operator in Denmark (Clever) has a lot of those, perfect for ID touring with the models that has the flat curve and stays below 150 Kw 😊

@thispaulrules Жыл бұрын

Wow, didn't know the contracts had gone up that much. Mine ends at the end of this year. Sounds like I won't be renewing.

@RedBatteryHead Жыл бұрын

3.5 is a long way from my Born 3.1... That could do with a charger map update.

@jiminholland1144 Жыл бұрын

WeCharge - in the Netherlands, WE don’t get WeCharge. WeCharge doesn’t know us from Adam’s odd-aunt…and VW won’t sell it to us.

@louishiggins8881 Жыл бұрын

Is the satnav software independent of the car's overall software ? My Born with v3.1 (I think) is showing 'Display unit/control panel software : 6085' and 'Navigation database : 23.5'. What are the versions on the new ID3 ?

@patrickgass5707 Жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, Thanks for your video. I just got 3.2 and noticed that voice command works Mitch better. I planning à trip to Italy in a week and will see how the travel planner works. I have seen that when you go into navigation and click to see the overall route you have an option to select chargers in which you can choose preferences such as charging speed, we charge, and IONITY. Have you had a chance to try this ?

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

This has no impact on the charger selection. This is a view option for the map

@marsroth Жыл бұрын

@@BatteryLife yes, no impact on the automatic route planning, but if you click on "other charging station", the filters will be applied

@edwardvanhazendonk Жыл бұрын

We charge is I think still not available in NL ...

@abraxastulammo9940 Жыл бұрын

11:25 Maybe the 150 kW prevents rapidgating at 50 %? 😇

@nunobento8429 Жыл бұрын

VW doesn''t give the "We Charge" card in Portugal, for some reason

@chryschrysostomou5392 Жыл бұрын

Chrissie, what name has VW called that paint colour? I love it and think it would look cool on the ID 7.

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Dark olive something

@neilfennell6833 Жыл бұрын

I was going to trust the VW planner on a previous long trip. We are on V3.0. I didn’t in the end, as I thought it was too optimistic. Here in the Non-Europe UK (sigh - I didn’t vote out) we also have to be wary of broken chargers. So I planned the trip with ABRP and it worked out ok. Did I miss what battery that new ID3 had?

@neilmick6778 10 ай бұрын

We're still in Europe..

@neilfennell6833 10 ай бұрын

@@neilmick6778 Physically maybe.

@laurentiu2314 Жыл бұрын

The battery is a 58 or a 77 kwh?

@mistymu8154 10 ай бұрын

Will the original ID.3 be getting software 3.5 or is this only available for the facelift? How does it compare to 3.2? Judging from this video it looks like the built-in route planning is pretty solid. One thing ABRP doesn't seem too good at is changing on route. I've never really given the built-in route planning a shot, but I might try it on my next long trip.

@pucbaldwin 8 ай бұрын

I got a new pre-face list ID3 Pro yesterday and it has 3.5 preinstalled.

@dan_from_australia Жыл бұрын

Nice review. I can see a fossil evangelist interpreting the number of route plan changes as farcial though.

@dunks4212 Жыл бұрын

Maybe it changes alot because the temperature outside heating up and you get more range? 🤔

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

No, it takes the range displayed and does not calculate a higher consumption because of highway driving

@andymcm6902 Жыл бұрын

Hi. I've just got an ID3 and find the brakes very spongey and there is variable amounts of travel at the pedal depending on car speed. I have a regular Golf TSI and the brakes are excellent. The pedal is firm with little travel and they feel way stonger than the ID3. Is this a charateristic of the ID3 maybe?

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

My first Edition has that, other cars not

@andymcm6902 Жыл бұрын

@@BatteryLife Thanks for replying. That is re-assuring. I'll just have to get used to it I suppose. Nice work on your videos. Cheers

@testi2025 Жыл бұрын

Those electricity prices are mad. Finland you can get fast charging at ABC for 0,35€ /kWh without any plan. I’m waiting for the 2024 ID3, gonna skip the facelift.

@padiwani Жыл бұрын

Is there a special deal between an ID3/wecharge and Ionity? I got an ID3 this march and I am charing with the ADAC-EnBW card for 51ct at EnBW, 60ct everywhere else and 79ct at Ionity (but there a very few Ionitys around here). This is the same Ionity price listed at WeCharge Free. Am I missing something? Anyway thanks for your videos :)

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

VW is a part investor in Ionity

@krebpat98 Жыл бұрын

WeCharge Plus is the beneficial contract for VW customers charging at Ionity. But the prices are rising and the contract is not competitive anymore.

@mattperkins1992 Жыл бұрын

Great video, but isn’t this available from software 3.2?

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Since 3.0 even. I never tested it before and maybe it got better with 3.5

@Thomeeh Жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, what was the charging power at up to 64%? Did it fall below 100 kW at 45%?

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Yes, like the buzz

@malcolmhedges7346 Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to getting this on my First Edition ... probably in about 2026 at the rate VW UK are going

@michaelgoode9555 8 ай бұрын

Depending upon what version of software you are currently on you may need to go online and book an appointment for a software update. Just another way to get you into a dealership. At least this is my experience.

@ulfsamuelsson7983 Жыл бұрын

@Batterylife in Sweden Tesla chargers are now the cheaper option and Wecharge the most expensive. Can it plan the route with Tesla SC?

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

@mike.n.davies Жыл бұрын

How is this V3.5 version of the route planner different to that of V3.2? I didn't see any?

@Arne0dj Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. I haven’t used it really because I didn’t need te charge on route yet, but it looks the same.

@simondehaas8784 Жыл бұрын

Functionality also looks the same as my car with 3.0 OTA, but it might be better 'under the hood'. I'm going to try mine out next time I do a long trip. I have never used it because it always initially sets a silly route (like in the video where it was unrealistic about highway range.

@gerryheery1388 Жыл бұрын

do you know what the beats sound system has compared to the regular system

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Different speakers

@gerryheery1388 Жыл бұрын

Has it got extra speakers subwoofer

@tdome3000 Жыл бұрын

Does the 3.5 take elevation changes into consideration, or is it still not implemented there?

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

@doudoune1067 Жыл бұрын

Shame. Makes it useless around the alps.

@Brandofviti Жыл бұрын

@@doudoune1067 It has a somewhat more expensive rival in the renault megane e tech. That uses google maps to calculate. I freaking love mine.

@giorgiol4902 Жыл бұрын

still debating why id software doesn t work 3 years later 😂😂😂😂

@DjNorad Жыл бұрын

@Battery Life ... Ich fürchte du hast da einen sehr gravierenden Gedankenfehler in deiner Kalkulation.... Also 67 kWh auf 554 km ?? ... Das wäre ein Schnitt von 12 kWh/100km.... Deine Rechnung der Durchschnittswerte ergibt keinen Sinn, wenn mann voll losfährt und leer endet !!! Schon gar nicht die EUR pro 100km die du da so schön vorgerechnet hast.... leider.... ===> Da müssen PLUS ca. 55 kWH Startfüllstand (ich glaube es waren um die 76% Füllstand beim start) und MINUS ca. 7 kWh Restfüllstand (35 km Restreichweite) mit einberechnet werden ... Das ergibt dann nicht nur deine 67 kWh, sondern 115 kWh für 554 km !! So wird ein Schuh daraus... ===> Das wäre am Ende dann nen Durchschnittsverbrauch von 20,76 kWh pro 100km..... Das entspricht sehr viel mehr der Wahrheit !!

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Du hast Recht. Hab's oben angepinnt

@kbsub Жыл бұрын

Can’t you just filter IONITY chargers only in the app? Even on 3.0 OTA I think my VW route planner works pretty well

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

No, only for searching for it

@kbsub Жыл бұрын

Think you can Chris , I just tried it on my app

@krebpat98 Жыл бұрын

Not possible for route planning. But you can filter for Ionity in the search and replace it.

@neilfennell6833 Жыл бұрын

When it suggest a charging stop, does it automatically take you to that charger?

@krebpat98 Жыл бұрын

yes

@neilfennell6833 Жыл бұрын

@@krebpat98 Thanks

@Tanel3 Жыл бұрын

Does this 2-3 month delivery time apply to all EU deliveries? I just ordered an ID.4 GTX five days ago in Estonia and the dealer said the delivery to take place in November/December (in 5-6 months).

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

I thought so yes. Becasue all Id.3 are built in 2 factories in Germany

@Tanel3 Жыл бұрын

@@BatteryLife Thanks! I hope its true for ID.4 as well then.

@MikaelLundgren Жыл бұрын

Ordered an ID4 GTX in June 2022 (Sweden), still waiting… initially it was scheduled for November-December, then it slipped to January-March, then again to April-September!

@stevenziegler2523 8 ай бұрын

will the 4.0 software be available on the 2023 models?

@BatteryLife 8 ай бұрын

I don't think so

@mtumasz Жыл бұрын

The new look looks like id.3 had a child with toyota auris. Not progress🥶

@edwardvanhazendonk Жыл бұрын

This is in my opinion not so fine software, you can better charge with ABRP, more control. Still VW needs to look better at other vendors and software makers. All those deep screens with info it's a shame, VW should learn to put the info on the first screens. Thanks for sharing.

@carlomorischi3435 Жыл бұрын

We Charge tariffs for 2022 are crazy! 0,73€ kWh WITH SUBSCRIPTION is OUTRAGEOUS. Diesel car is cheaper. This is crazy.

@michaelgoode9555 8 ай бұрын

Agreed but how much do you pay for diesel when you fill up outside your own home?

@jurgensauter88 Жыл бұрын

Beats was supposed to be in my ID. 3 1st "Max" in 2020 already but VW badly cheated.🤕 If I want to have a good sound I have to take my e-Golf (has the sound system).

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

It is not better. Just a name.

@subbiahpalani Жыл бұрын

This feature in the US is highly unreliable - the corridor I drive has many offline and incompatible (Rivian) locations as well as Electrify America EVgo, and Chargepoint online locations. The trip planner tends to navigate to offline chargers although online chargers are available in same range or closer. Incidentally this is right around to VW USA engineering and development office, so they haven’t tested this at all

@AdrianBlaga Жыл бұрын

Soon will be more expensive to drive electric.. 😢😢

@AdrianBlaga Жыл бұрын

Ionity full others empty..

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Not here

@andersn8547 Жыл бұрын

Why did VW not ask google to do this like polestar and renault?

@ID.SuperFan-tq8xi Жыл бұрын

Polestar and Volvo are moving away from Google, btw.

@andersn8547 Жыл бұрын

@@ID.SuperFan-tq8xi Where can I read about that?

@jonpetter8921 Жыл бұрын

Not wise to depend from multinational like Google, Microsoft etc. Manufactures should be encouraged to develop their own software. Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, BMW have great home grown software. I hope MEB cars will improve their software.

@lemagnitio72 Жыл бұрын

Planner

@BatteryLife Жыл бұрын

Thanks, changed

@pibitchica 5 ай бұрын

Run a f-ing Doom2 on that displays ffs! Why you need Id Software...

@typxxilps Жыл бұрын

it feels louder some how but any way I am done like you with VW and all the issues they have, maybe in a few years for a city car the ID2 All might be a choice but not the current ID stuff they had lost track. But as the CEO had confirmed in a background talk with a journalist they wanna go back and the gtx will not be the last word, cause gti will find a home in the EV age like other successfull topics from the GOLF era. GTi has a lot more heritage to offer than a GTX without 4 wheel drive and same for the good old R lines VW still offers with more power. Even the big bezels will be gone as the piano black mess and other cost savings and the less physical button hype Diess had followed blindly . He has been fired for not delivering and missing goals and no one felt that firing hiim was a mistake, no one cried for him.

@gorkaezker7867 11 ай бұрын

I would have trashed my ID4 if it wasn't for ABRP. what a bad route planner is vw,...I can't undestand,...

@DiXDragan Жыл бұрын

How much compensation did you get from VW for this "review"?

@ulfw Жыл бұрын

Eh such a mess still

@tdome3000 Жыл бұрын

So the VW route planner is still hilarious.

@jaapboere2701 Жыл бұрын

Maybe you should watch the last minute again

@arnold_2523 Жыл бұрын

Sales of the ID.3 is a complete disaster actually as a bad as the software

@frankdroste2970 Жыл бұрын

Any evidence?

@jonpetter8921 Жыл бұрын

Is that s why ID 3 is the most sold EV in Europe so far ? only Model Y sell better lol

@carlomorischi3435 Жыл бұрын

God, this route planner is very stupid, almost pointless. I don't understand how an independent app like ABRP is WAY MUCH BETTER AND MORE PRECISE than ALL automakers.