Ah, great note, thanks

Which one is better though

Would go with the moza r5

I didn't know about the Fanatec bundle when I bought the R5. Now that I do, I am glad I bought the R5. The steering wheel seems much better, especially since there is a F1 style wheel upgrade for only $40

Yea I bought it instantly when I saw it lol. I’m reselling the pedals too so it’s an unbelievable deal. I’ve even seen some DIY boost kit power supplies for 30 bucks that I might experiment with.

you forget also method that bundle with 8nm is currently cheaper than moza r5

@@TheGabberworld good point.

I have not yet decided what wheel to get, but the Fanatec is the "cheapest" by far. The Moza R5 bundle is $671 here with taxes. The Fanatec McLaren wheel + Loadcell brakepedal set + DD 5Nm is $700 shipped to my door. I prefer the Mclaren wheel and you also get loadcell pedal for 29 USD more.

@@AndrewTSq i skipped buy that Loadcell brakepedal atleast for now. im not 100% sure yet if im actually need that

Which DD bundle would you recommend?

I just bought fanatec today finally pulled the plug and got it

Wow, great comment! Thanks for watching

id say both smoothness and the QR are great reasons to prefer the moza... but me personally, i think the moza R5 is a pretty cheap product using cheap components, it uses a 15bit encoder compared to the 16bit encoder fanatec uses, that makes the fanatec double the resolution in rotation, in fact the 15bit encoder is one of the lowest resolution DD's on the market, simagic uses 18bit encoders, moza's own r16 and r21 use 18bit encoders, simucube/asetek use 22bit encoders... thats 4 million steps per rotation vs 32 thousand steps per rotation... there are diminishing returns when it comes to encoder resolution but we shouldn't kid ourselves, moza went cheap in order to make it cheap. Another problem with the R5 that would personally worry me is it uses a slip ring design, this has some advantages like no wireless connection at all between wheel and base unlike most wheelbases that have some element of wireless connectivity within the base, so thats the positive, the negative outweighs it for me though, its a wearable part and moza do not rate it very highly, they claim 5 million rotations which at first sounds a lot but compare that to another wheelbase using a slip ring design - The Asetek bases and well it looks kind of grim for the moza, Asetek claim 200 million rotations on the slip ring they use, thats 40x longer lasting, significant step up in quality but ofcourse significant step up in price aswell.... but the point im making is the moza isnt some top end DD technology for small money, they have absolutely gone cheap to save money. With all that said, i absolutely do not like any kind of notchy steering, ive owned a DD1 a few years back and hated being able to feel the steps in the motor, moved to a simucube 2 pro and that was significantly better, so damn smooth... so yeh for that reason i would still strongly consider the moza... its just i do think fanatec uses higher quality hardware, its kind of undeniable, fanatec just executed it wrong and didn't put enough priority in places i think it needed it. So what am i saying, well id duck both of them and start at the R9 personally, you still get the 15bit encoder that moza call ''ultra high resolution'' (yeh right moza) which is an L but you duck the wear on a slip ring because it does not use one... i do not own either so just saying it how i see it, ive owned a simucube 2 like i said for a couple years now and have an Asetek invicta on the way.

the QR on the DD pro isn’t great but as with your rig comment - how many of the more normal entry level DD racers have multiple rims and swap them every day? Probably not many so does it matter that much?

@@MrKlawUK It's more in terms of it being a practical solution to clamp and unclamp frequently. The R5 and clamp is a lot less bulky and therefore much easier to take away and store, even without having to release the wheel from the base. Indeed I just clamp mine to a shelf at the side of my desk and it works great. With the CSL DD, although it is very compact compared to many bases of course, in terms of practicality the R5 seems to work with my semi-frequent sim habits much better.

@@jinx20001 fantastic comment. Knew about the rotation resolution (indeed it is cheap, but still feels good enough for the price). The slip ring life is troubling however, didn't know about that. Of course the proof will be in the pudding especially given that people such as myself (basically part-timers who still would like DD) are probably not going to be using it to it's end of life. Ultimately although you're partly right about the R9, but that's kind of the point - the R5 is aimed at those that are stepping up from a G29, rather than those that want to enter the $1000+ arena. It's a close call, for me just the ease of use is a massive factor and the notchy feel of the CSL DD (and also the flex) just proved too annoying, even with some of the benefits for example being able to use a budget wheel that still has magnetic shifters. Ultimately overall I am personally happier with the R5 than my CSL DD, but let's see if it breaks in the coming years!

Is this a more Road Racing inspired opinion?

@@ihateracin If Dirt Rally 2.0 is your favorite game you don't need the boostkit or the R9. For road racing in simulator games like AC, ACC and Iracing you will def want more torque to feel the weight of the car.

@@MrMikap74 so how is the wheel now with boost kit are you satisfied with it or is it still weak

@@mr1k666 As simracer I've learned one thing: you'll never be satisfied. At least not for a long period. The CLS DD 8nm is fine, but if I had a better income I would upgrade to the ClubSport DD 12nm.

Hey Single Racer.. Yah your right.. DMAX

@@DMAX_DIY Yes D-Max, and thanks for asking. But to be truthful, with the passing of my (Sim Racing) brother due to cancer - I have really lost the urge to continue with the Channel for the time being... I did think about doing a "This Channel is now Closed" video. But there is part of me that still thinks I might return in the future. So I don't want to say it's CLOSED, then go back on that announcement later down the track (pun intended ; )))

@@SingleRacerSVR yeah I feel your pain my friend.. Life is so precious and we never know what the next day will bring. Dont close your channel though. All things will pass they take time. Lean on us (collective sim racer guys) when you need to .. We are here to support and assist if possible. Wish you were a bit closer to USA I would come over and we could shoot the $hit but .. miles. anyway.. I saw you comment and thought I would say hello.. Dave

Thanks for the support, Dave. And yeah, I still want to support the other fantastic Sim Racing Channels by watching all of my Subscribed KZfaq Racing Channel video's (& others of course). But I just don't comment as much as I did in the past, these days ; )))

@@SingleRacerSVR Understood for sure my friend! I wish I had more time to look at everyones videos too but yeah time is time.. and not enough of it.. Your the Best my friend! I'm picking up some exit speed just by understanding your older videos which have helped me .. Dave

Went to my MicroCenter here in Cincinnati and got a complete open box R5 bundle for 390, and bought the LC SR-P pedals for 150. SWEET DEAL!!!!!

You mean, if i buy the sr-p lite clutch pedal and perfomance kit for r5 bunde is compatible each other? And this combo i can use as brake pedal, and the official brake pedal can i switch to the clutch pedal?

you can even bypass the ridiculous price of the Fanatec adapter and just get it third party for around 30 bucks. I myself have a Moza DD but this is for sure an edge that the Fanatec has over it.

@@kevinking9752 yes that’s very true but I was reading some reviews people are complaining that they don’t have force feedback after using the non genuine boost kit so I’m a bit sceptical but genuine boost kit from fanatec costs $260 in Australia which is not cheap at all

see, that's what people don't get, this is the closest you can get to racing in person

I would like to buy the same set RR ready bundle+LC brake. Can u share ur experiences with me? It is worth it? For GT3 races and rally aswell... Thanks a lot!

@@markhoffmann126 Hey ! So far i'm very happy with my csl. The loadcell is great but very stiff too. I'm gonna buy some 3rd party elastomer to make it softer because on longer races it is difficult to have consistant braking for me Force feedback is aawesome with dd wheels

@@SuperBoubakar all clear, thanks a lot sir!

@@markhoffmann126 Hey :° I wanted to give you an update since i change the elastomer. It's a must have upgrade imo. The pedal is less stiff, travel a bit more. I feel the braking is more precise and less demanding on my legs muscles aha . I went for the "hybrid" , wich is 1x linear+1x progressive . The brand is called 3rapit :)

@@SuperBoubakaryou mean 3DRap?

Small niche market compared to those who play iRacing and mods in Assetto Corsa.

they're available now

Thanks so much!

I’m scared to go no genuine stuff cause I read some reviews and people complaining after adding the adapter they have no force feedback and genuine adapter from fanatec costs $260 in Australia

@mr1k666 I never even took my 5nm power supply out of the package. Went straight to the Ali pack and right out of the box it said 8nm in the app. I haven't heard anyone complain, but we have 120v in the US, though I wouldn't think that would really matter in this case. It can't hurt to try it, 50 bucks is way cheaper than Fanatecs egotistical price. I love my CSL DD, I use the thing damn near daily.

Also for CSL pedals plastic cover, you probably can cut metal and it will be good.

no but the load cell pedals SR-P (non lite) are the same price as the load cell kit from Fanatec

I ordered a fanatec bundle just waiting to get it

@@mr1k666 I ended up going with the Moza R9 and CS with Turn Racing R305

@@apexvisiontv good choice brother I went with fanatec only because if I feel it’s not strong enough I can upgrade just adapter instead of whole base

@@mr1k666 it’s going to be interesting to see what they do from now

@@apexvisiontv definitely how you liking the moza r9 is that enough force feedback for you just curious thanks for replying

oh yeah the cammus C5 i cant wait for that wheel

I ordered Fanatec few days ago now I should be getting it soon I hope

Me too!

Why would you play console and you have a pc with pc you have way better graphics and much higher refresh rates for smoother play I went from console to pc and haven’t looked back that’s just my opinion

for like 200 shipped. same as the load cell SR-P pedal set!!!

Moza has a lot of resellers on different continents tho

@@Kennetz moza r5 is 700€ in slovenia lmao, i spent 460€ total on the p1 bundle

How much did you get it on sale for

@@isaac99222 499 for the bundle.

@@leonardevans5102 sweet I gotta look out for that

You'd need to get the Gran Turismo DD base and a Xbox wheel which will allow you to switch between the consoles. The security chip for Playstation is in the base, while the Xbox compatibility is in the wheel rim due to Sony/Microsoft policies.

The boost kit costs an additional $150,

@iHateRacing I know and used around 80-100$ but you always has that option and you can buy that 1 year later or whatever.

@@snippidippi I’m not sure id spend $650 to get good stuff when I could spend $1000 and get amazing stuff like a proper wheel, proper pedals, etc, but to each their own. I’ve found the pedals and wheel itself to be more important than how hard it torques, if you drive with relaxed hands 5 is plenty.

150 for boost kit. 439 for moza r9 and 469 for a compatible wheel. sure, 150 for a power block seems expensive. but in comparison to the upgrade path of moza from an r5, it is very inexpensive and the reason id go with fanatec as well.

For a new user the settings can be a little overhwelming, so having other's knowledge to lean on is a nice asset.

They don't have the money to pay for licensing. They never will honestly

I just ordered a fanatec bundle with table mount including delivery to my door for $723 Australian

Nothing I can do about that man. I live in North America

@@SimRacing604 I’m guessing a substantial part of your audience is from outside the US. You should at least do a disclaimer that your price and value comparisons are from an american POV and are not applicable to other markets. Because not doing so is going to mislead a lot of people around the world that view your videos. Just my opinion

@@jc74435 Considering he's talking in US dollars as opposed to Euros, I would think most people would realize he's based in North America.

@@jc74435 you could always do your own review videos for our european friends. ill watch those as well. and i wont complain that its in euros.

@@martinm2921I would If I had access to both of these bundles

Awesome man! I’ve been following the build for a long time. Can’t wait to see what’s next

@@SimRacing604 Thanks Mike.. It's busy on Saturday.. cause I have league race and I'm at work during the week away from the rig (s).. but Going to get that DD hooked up soon.. It should be way better than the elite.. I got the Porsche wheel and Endurance module.. I'll have to learn how to paddle shift.. hahah Thank you for replying my friend! Dave

Thrustmaster, Logitech and fanatec are your only DD options that are console compatible

@@gmailcgs Logitech: $999, Thrustmaster base, no wheel: $650 fanatec: $700 Moza: $500.

Any idea how much extra fanatecs shipping and customs is to the UK ?

I'm seeing the price at £434 when converted from the 499 euros

Hi!. There is really no reason to start with the G923 anymore. I would recommend the Moza R5 or Fanatec CSL DD as great starter wheelbases.

@@SimRacing604 Thanks for the reply. I think I'll go for the Moza R5. We don't have an official Fanatec here. Those reseller, are selling the CSL DD bundle for $850, while I can get the R5 bundle for around $400. 😅

Yeah, this comes up in every Moza related video I make. Unfortunately I can’t comment on taxes, shipping and duties for all locations, but it’s good information

@@SimRacing604 I can assure you this isn't the case in the U.S., as you can purchase Moza from actual retail stores or a website like 6 Sigma and not deal with a significant tax markup. Big edge that Moza has over Fanatec as well, their willingness to authorize retailers around the world to carry their product. You can buy Moza at stores like Micro Center and even score big on an open box sale that can knock almost 100 bucks off the total price!

@@SimRacing604 i did that mistake when I bought handbrake from Aiologs paid around 50 or 60€ extra without knowing that when ordering

It's not a load cell, but it does mean the pedal is substantially better.

@@ab8jeh Thanks for the correction. I've heard great things about it. I have the R9 and the SR-P pedals and have heard the SRP-Lite kit may improve the SR-P throttle pedal but as mentioned in the video, the information on that isn't exactly clear and widespread yet.

@@malkmusRules nice. It's quite stiff though the SRP-lite brake kit (I have one) so not sure about fixing it to the throttle, but the SRP standard pedals have their own spring adapter (I think for $12) which makes a massive improvement. Maybe you have this already though.

@@malkmusRules I'm jealous of anyone with an R9 :)

Yes sir I just ordered it yesterday and paid $723 Australian including delivery fanatec for the win in my opinion

@@mr1k666 100% more worth it especially here in au

@@mr1k666 yes sir

@@strikepackgod1891 I should mention I got the table clamp as well for 723 😂

@@mr1k666 glad to see it at the same price instead of the company ripping people off hope you have fun with your wheel i just started play ats after i orderd the clutch

Yes

Yes you can

Moza pricing does not include vat so for me it is +111 extra

Fanatec has the clutch as separate buy.

@@snippidippi just found that out, honestly leaning towards the fanatec option compared to moza because i can get a loadcell upgrade, and the 8nm upgrade with the cheaper formula rims etc

@Ollie_z yes the fanatec eco system is better.

​@@ollie_z Fanatec eco system is 100% better honestly

@@ollie_z I just ordered fanatec bundle with a table mount for $723 Australian dollars which is way cheaper than moza plus I can buy boost kit and get 8nm instead of buying a new base if I went with moza bundle

No. No console compatibility

Twice the price of either of these

ya i hear you, but logitech ecosystem is so plug and play... no messing with things, wishing you had more nm in the future, etc. compared to the real "pro" stuff, logitech pro is definitely marketed toward the budget world. the biggest tell here is the playseat collab@@SimRacing604

What about Moza r9 vs 8 nm Fanatec CSL DD which is the same ? Is Moza R9 have less bit encoder vs Fanatec?