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As someone who lives in Asia its quite hard to get my hands on a Fanatec without ludicrous shipping and tax prices. Brands like Moza, Simagic, VNM, Simforge, Frex are probably the only accessible options for most in this region. You're doing us a justice by giving less popular brands a very thorough review Thanks Will!

A quick note on their customer service, they have been exceptional to work with. I actually had the R9 but it wasn't quite as powerful as I wanted (coming from an Accuforce wheel) so I asked them if I could upgrade to the R16 and they have bent over backwards to help me even though it's something that they (or any company) wouldn't normally do. They have been very quick to respond and very polite and professional. Could not be happier with my choice with Moza. Oh and the wheel is amazing.

Thanks is not enough to say to you and your team for putting out content like this. To me I feel your team should be on TV spreading the gospel of sim racing. This is the best review I have seen on Moza and you even put it up against the CSL DD. I am more than grateful. Please keep pushing forward. Great job guys.

These reviews are crucial to people when thinking of making such a purchase... thanks so much.. your doing great work.

i have had my Moza R9 and GS wheel for a few weeks now and i love it One thing you missed is you can change the color of the back lit buttons Great reviews keep up the good work guys

I have the moza r16 for a month and I absolutely positively love this wheel. The only thing is it take time to get the sliders right for the game but that is with all dd wheels. I have an older gt Omega rig and was only able to use 2 of the 4 holes to mount it since the plate did not have holes and didn't want to drill the plate. It super solid on my rig with just 2 bolts no flex at all. If you don't wear gloves on the alcaterra the point where you keep you hand will start to wrinkle. I'm sure over time it will wear Down. If appearance bothers you then you will need to wear gloves to not wear the alcaterra down or get the leather wheel. It don't bother me since this wheel is better then I expected. I upgraded from a broken t300 that I only had for 3 years, that turned me away from thrustmaster. The difference is night and day, you can feel suspension compression in the wheel it's that sensitive and accurate, I never felt that in my thrustmaster. In all best wheel ever. I had a Logitech g25 tm t300 and now this.

Your mini series on this set was spot on and helped with my decision to purchase it. You both made some valid points and I just want to say thanks - take care.

Great video as usual guys. Sounds like Moza are improving in all areas and should not be discounted as a potential new long-term player in the market. On the new format I did prefer the single long format videos that you did but totally understand why you have made the changes. I watch nearly all your content from start to finish anyway, so for me the change does not have a significant impact. Keep up the great work guys you are nailing it!

I paused the video al 9:47 to post this comment. I am from the second category. I am not touching that. I just got my csl dd. I am still trying to understand what I am feeling with the wheel. All I can say is that, coming from a G27, it is a lot better. Like worlds apart better. Maybe in a couple of months. I should also add that I just got myself a quest 2. Now I have 2 things to master at the same time. I like my life to be complicated. Keep up the good work.

Just thought I would add a comment, I recently purchased the R9 with the GS wheel (I was coming from a cog driven wheel base), this thing is amazing, it completely changed my experience with sim racing! Now I need to look at boosted media's videos on DD settings! :)

Thank you for your in depth review. I had been wanting a CSL DD for a while. When I finally had the funds to get one, they were sold out. I never heard of Moza until your review. The biggest selling point for me was the FFB was on par with the CSL DD, it looks better, has a better QR mechanism and I think the GS wheel looks better than the Fanatec F1 and GT rims. I went ahead and ordered the white R9 (maybe should have went with black, but I always like something that stands out), the GS rim and the CRP pedals. Hopefully they have some more RS wheels in stock soon. I look forward to their future offerings. Either way, this new set up will be a night and day difference from my G920 wheel and TLC-M pedals.

Nice job guys great info for anyone in the community looking at getting into a DD wheel base. It’s still a lot of money to part with even when going with “entry level” nm bases so these reviews help provide confidence in purchasing a setup.

So awesome that you go through all this effort to produce so good and in detail reviews :)

Just a piece of advise for anyone thinking about buying anything from Moza Racing. I hope that this is not the wrong place to add this, in case it's not feel free to delete it. I'm not going to give all details about the current situation but I'm force to bring American Express to a legal claim agains this company for totally ignoring several issues with their R9 and the FSR Formula Wheel that I bought a few weeks ago. The main message here is that if you get into troubles with their products you could receive the same unacceptable support I'm receiving which it is currently been totally ignored. The base and wheel are failing since day one. I have been supplying videos and telling them about the shifting issues and the noise coming from the base and they are basically not acting as you will expect (last news received 7 days ago). There are multiple issues with the base and the wheel.... tried all kind of things to make them work but they are somehow damage or something went wrong on the assembling process. This is just a message to let you guys know that you could be facing the same level of support. In case of anyone wanting to know more let me know. I can show you the videos that are showing some of the issues I'm dealing with.

Great way to finish off the review of this wheel system. Thanks for all the info and quality content as always. Cant wait to see what you have in store next (hopefully another immersive race session!)

I wonder if the support from Moza is better than Fanatec. I had issues with my DD, and even getting someone to respond to an email was a nightmare. These guys will corner the market by simply having a functional telephone.

Im finally getting into sim racing, and your channel has given me a lot of valuable information, thank you!

22:45 This is something that happened with the CSL DD that I have. One day when I was using it, I noticed the wheel disconnecting whenever I was braking, and I realized this was because I, like many people, pull on the wheel a little when I'm braking, and the shaft had worked itself loose just enough that a little tug on the wheel would disconnect it. It was easy enough to push it back in and tighten that collar up, but it is kind of annoying to have to worry about that.

I personally think the prices reflect quality and performance. You pay for what you get with these. You pay slightly more in total for the Moza, and you get slightly better FFB. The CSL DD is slightly cheaper. And you get slightly less after buying everything and get slightly less NM. But both are fantastic wheels. I personally went CSL because the Moza wasn’t much better and when I want more I’ll probably get way better than just slightly better later.

Don't know if prices changed but I can get a whole CSL setup with pedals for less than they want for just the Moza wheel and base. Like 300 dollars cheaper. So really the Moza is comparable with the DD Pro in terms of pricing.

Thanks for a very detailed review. Your depth of knowledge is impressive. It’s kind of amazing these products don’t cost more given they’re fairly niche low volume products and the market is fragmented between several DD manufacturers. I think anyone being critical of this class of products doesn’t have the perspective of a manufacture doing all the R&D, paying lots of upfront costs for tooling etc, and hoping they can sell enough to eventually turn a profit. You can’t 3D print this stuff. You do the right thing by comparing Moza with their closest competitors.

This is months after the initial release of this video but this helped me decide on the R9, plus now they have a few more wheels so I can have a variety of wheels on hand.

As a side note that people probably don't realize is that you can use any, literally any, third party real racing wheel with standard mounting holes as long as you buy a NRG quick release for it (about 90 dollars). So I bought a deep dish drift wheel for 45 dollars plus the quick release and I have a brand new drift wheel for 135 dollars! This actually gives it more variety in wheels than Fanatec which doesn't have that option. Obviously you won't have any buttons but for drifting, rally racing etc, you can't really use buttons effectively anyway while you're driving. This was the reason that put me over the edge for buying the Moza and I love it.

The clunk in fanatic wheels is the connection having some play. I haven't used their QR wheels yet, but the clunk can be completely eliminated on the screw lock style wheels by tightening the locking ring slightly past the initial stopping point (the fingers on the inside will slip under the ring enritely and allow you to tighten further) or at least, that's been my experience.

Im coming from fanatec and I have a lot of fanatec gear. To me fanatec only wins on console support which you can only get on Moza with some third party adapter. But quality, design, product wise Moza and also Simmagic have stepped up the game. First I got logitech long time ago, then trustmaster, then Fanatec. Each step the previous wheel felt like a toy. But now I can say same with Moza, my fanatec steering wheels and base feel like a toy compared to Moza. My clubsport inverted v3 and shifter are still great though and dont fall into toy category. Buttons are much better than Fanatec. Nice keyboard click vs cheap hollow click buttons.

Such a boon to see so many new manufacturers entering the realm. Competition drives development, pricing and ingenuity. Sim racing just keeps getting better. In regards to the software Granite Devices could adopt some of those ideas into TD. The wheel spring speed & the eq great stuff 👍

I really wish more manufacturers would have console compatibility. As at this level Fanatec being the only option isn’t great. Hopefully one day Moza, or another manufacturer, will release a console compatible direct drive.

Bought the csl dd and have had problems. The wheel keeps losing connection as the shaft comes out of the wheel base and loses connection. I loosen the clamp, push the shaft back in and then tighten the clamp. That works but only for a certain amount of time. Very disappointed.

Just did a local Australian price comparison from local resellers, Fanatec Australian, and Pagnian. $80 1 year additional warranty added to CSL DD to match Moza standard 2 year warranty, does not include shipping which is free with Pagnian. Moza R9 with CS Wheel - $1148, CSL DD 8nm with 2 year warranty + CSL BMW wheel $1180, $1350 with metal QR1 Moza R9 with GS wheel - $1498, CSL DD 8nm with 2 year warranty + CSL Elite McLaren GT3 V2 wheel $1280, $1450 with metal QR1. In both cases the the Moza wheel is of higher quality and arguably better functionality.

Excellent 3 part series on the MOZA stuff. I'm very excited about the MOZA line, and after looking at their Chinese site, I'm looking forward to reviews of their mid range wheel (at about $250 USD) and pedals (at about $200 USD). If they shine, I will certainly be an early adopter of their mid range line. What other wheels are compatible with the R9? I'd love to know. Thanks for an awesome video series!

Will, please post your wheel settings so we can try them as well!

The fanatec clunk can be fixed. By putting a small square of plastic bag in between the QR and wheel base. At the top as is slides on. Shouldn't have to but it does work. Thickness of plastic bag depends on how much play you have. And like the video. Good job 👍

I only hear or feel clunk in CSL DD Pro is when I’m playing DR2.0 and have FE intensity at 100 and all settings Turned up!! Never heard or experienced it during Street race games(ACC Ex.). Have 8 NM and all types of QR. Screw, Screw on, and QR! Did have a problem with the Pole coming out of CSL.. guess it got turned and had to loosen adjust and retighten…. Was a big problem till I figured it out!! Exact thing mentioned at 3/4 video!!!

I went Moza and have Zero regrets in doing so Fanatec's QR is my main reason for not going fanatec that and there pedals have lits of plastic and the god awful plastic QR on the entry level fanatec wheels huge deal breaker for me Moza makes a much more premium product for the money without a doubt and all the kids nks you speak of have been ironed out at this point a year later i currently use a R12 with a CS wheel CRP pedals Hgp shifter and hand brake on a Next Level Racing cockpit i couldn't be more pleased i started on a G29 and got a R5 bundle a few months ago and wanted more so that's what i did and its been nothing short of amazing

great job guys! thx for the reviews! as allways very professional!

Thanks for the review! This is what finally tipped me over the edge and I bought the R9 base with RS V2 steering wheel. Can't wait for it to get here!

The Fanatec QR1 clunking comes from the manufacturing tolerances in the base and wheel side parts. From my experience, it comes from the "rectangular" notch at the top of the QR. And it goes away when you screw in the locating/retaining screw. It tightens the QR to one side, so it reduces the amount of play in it. And at least in my experience with the Universal HUB and CSW 2.5, when I am driving w/o the screw there is enough play that it can be felt when the wheel is loaded in the corner and you suddenly lose grip and the wheel snaps in the other direction. It feels like for a split second there is no FFB, to use Will's words, almost like the wheel is slipping, but only for like a fraction of a degree and then the hit/tactile clunk after it hits the QR on the other side. But the experience may vary with different bases and wheels, it is quite possible, that I have an abnormally loose base and wheel side combination (I have already replaced the O-ring, to help mitigate that problem a bit). But the screw is the only thing that helps in my case.

Yes I confirm. CSL DD 8nm. At times, not all the times, does that clunky noise. Don't know what that is. You can also feel it a little bit and when it happens you always ask what the hell is it, and that doesn't help in concentrating. On a side note. 8nm are not enough...IM humble O.

I will be ordering a Moza this month. Thank you for the fantastic review!

Great info thanks guys. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦

Great video and review mate very informative 👍👍

Personally went with DD due to console support, wanted to make sure that my doors are open for what PS5 with VR bring to the table

A bit late to this one as been away on business today but great vid! Like the format!

please do a review of the alpha mini!!! im deciding between the moza or the alpha mini and there just isnt enough reviews out there and none of them go in too depth like i know you guys will!!! pleease do it guys and keep up the great work!!!!!

Fanatec also has an app iOS&Android with tuning and telemetry.

I'm still hesitant because other people have said that the driving experience is not as smooth or refined in the R9, so I don't know what to trust at the moment.

Good vid! The moment Moza comes out with a budget wheel I will be ordering both it and the R9

I'm happy with my 5nm DD, everything works perfect the strenght is enough and i also did inprove my lapstimes so i cant complain.

Gotto say,, fanalabs took me a couple of months to get my head round,, however,,I now have 3 wheels, so the ability to save FFB value per car is amazing,, 😬🙄😤🤪 as long as you organise everything,, Fanatec nails it,, the upgrade from CSW V2.5 to my DD2 was pretty seamless,, ,,turned the force down to75% to start with,, I’ve invested too much to leave,, just waiting for QR2,, 😃 Great mini series,,😃👍🏼

I just had to go CSL DD personally. Ali express 180w PSU and you get 8nm with awesome fidelity at an unbeatable price

Excellent points and follow up. Thanks guys.

I believe the Fanatec QR1 clunk comes from the spring in the quick release catching resistance and releasing it from time to time.

I just think the csl beats it by a mile. Here in the US at least if you had all the shipping taxes and all the extras you have to either buy or pay to have a complete working setup your paying hundreds of dollars more than the csl dd. The fanatec software seems much easier to use to but then again that could just be that it's because that's what I'm used to looking at but everything just seems easier. And I'm sure you can't actually tell much of a difference between the feel co considering they are almost exactly the same. So in short just buy whatever is cheapest based on where you live and for me that's the csl dd.

Normally I'd say great review but it's been uploaded 30 seconds ago. Have to watch it first! 🤣

I have a number of Fanatec products, including the DD1. That was faulty and replaced 6 months after purchase (That took 6 weeks). I have a McLaren GT3 wheel V1, that was repaired a few months after purchase, due to faulty shifters. Fanatec don't have replacement parts for many of their products and in a money making ploy, just want you to return them via RMA and charge a massive hour labor cost, plus parts! So now you have after market suppliers who fill this gap and in fact, do a better job on the quality side. So, my personal opinion as an owner of many Fanatec products is, DON'T. They are unreliable, customer service is very slooooooow, weeks in fact before responding. So only time will tell with Moza, as the important thing will be back up - customer service, spare parts etc. It may in fact be worth waiting to see what DD wheel base Thrustmaster release this year, as their quality is superior to Fanatec for a start. Trust me, I've also has a number of Thrustmaster wheels and bases over the past 15 years and they shit all over Fanatec as far as reliability. I should also add, if you know anything about the Fanatec DD wheels, take a look at their forum site, they are still trying to fix this wheel base as it still has so many faults and glitches in the software and hardware.

I've been looking at the CSL DD, but can't seem to order it because it's always out of stock. I'm hesitant to buy from a smaller company like Moza because I don't know how their long-term support is for things like drivers, firmware, and warranty/ support. I would rather wait for the CSL DD to be in stock so I could buy all of the items I need (rim, pedals, etc.) all at once and know they're good quality and supported long-term. That being said, the Moza is looking more and more appealing.

I love looking at wheels I’ll never be able to afford

Thank you very much, a very complete review, I would say the best to date... The alpha mini review is missing and compare the 3 DDs that fight for the crown, I suppose the Simagic will win... You could also try a USB steering wheel ,since Moza and Simagic sell their QRs for that purpose. In Spain we already have 2 stores and speaking live on Twitch, the manager of the Barcelona store (search for Simufy) said that they will give full support to the customer, and if something goes wrong in 24 hours they send you the new product and collect the defective, without cost to the customer, something that only Amazon Spain does, I consider the best after-sales service on the planet. That makes me rethink whether to buy Moza r9 or Alpha mini, quite a dilemma.

If I was in the market for a wheel I would definitely consider buying it. The only thing I don’t like is that they charge you express post to Australia, and there’s no way to opt out of that. It does boost the cost by $50.00 bucks. Plus whatever import and gst that will be added

U guys are so lucky to get access to these wheels. Its so hard to get them here in South Africa. Fanatec is sold out and has a waiting period and Moza is nowhere to be found do far.

I appreciate this review. Very thorough. I think the CSL DD is still a better option for me simply because of the Fanatec ecosystem and price. I also do play some console racing games/sims, so not having the option to just plug and play would be an issue for me.

The fanatec clunking is play between the notch of the QR and the groove in the shaft of the wheelbase. It only affect some people, likely due to just QA tolerances not being strict enough. Putting a small strip of tape in the groove to fill in the extra space completely fixes the issue, although to be honest it's pretty silly that that's the only solution.

Man I hope microcenter 15 minutes from me has a deal on a R9 or R12 base during Black Friday I just got CRP pedals and have upgraded everything but my R5 base but I'm ready to jump up to a more powerful base absolutely 😘 ve Moza so glad I chose them over fanatec I feel the material quality is higher and the software to control it is better as well I couldn't be more pleased with Moza

Just ordered mine today as the csl dd wasn't available and I couldn't justify the thrustmaster t-gt ii at it's current cost over one of these

Does the R9 bundle come with pedals

I had the clunk in my gt dd pro aswell. I think it is the Ball bearing from holding it in place. I took a piece of a plastic bag to put between wheel and base. No more clunky noise. It is so minimal space that this was enough for me. I only play acc and F1.

Im tired of people buying the csl dd then putting it on ebay and getting double the money cause fanatec cant keep up there own stock but then again idiots out there keep paying the same money and lots of time more money for v3 inverted pedals on ebay when there available on fanatec's sight so why people do that buying used for more or the same vs buying new. I think that this review was very good @boostedmedia thank you

Good stuff. Justifies my purchase, although I did like my csl dd but the GS wheel is a much better option.

Great Review Thank you

Will be buying a Moza R9 soon 😊

Very valuable review. Question. I already have Fanatec CSL load cell pedals. Was planning on getting CSL DD but availability has become quite the issue. Would I be able to use the Fanatec pedals with the Moza R9 wheelbase? Thanks fellas!

With Qr2 out it just makes more sense to get the CSL DD

Wow shipping to the US for the Moza is nuts. $135.

Sadly, your discount code does not work anymore :(

nice review!! could you share your R9 settings? I would like to try them..

Thanks for the discount.

I just upgraded my r5 to a r12 i love it

Moza wheels are very expensive from what I can see (australian here) - so I am going for a Fanatec when upgrading my G27.

For me there was only one option as i play on all three platforms: GT DD. However i am really impressed by Moza and their system. If i were only on PC, i would have a much harder time deciding what do i want 😂 great reviews thank you as always.

Is there a possibility you could do a review or comparison on different sim racing gloves and which ones are best to get? That would be awesome!

Great review as usual. I have just ordered a R9 as my T300 died. Can you please attach the settings file for iracing from pit house. By the way I used you discount code thanks.

Excellent reviews and content as always Will! I have my new cockpit, steering wheel and pedals all set up, any idea when the Fanatec CSL DD wheel base will be available? I want to start my Sim racing experience and am so frustrated with the availability. As always, thanks so much!

Great Video👍

I'm fed up of using the mouse when playing iracing in VR. Do any of the wheels have inbuilt mouse functionality to replace that?and if not, why?

What I hate about Fanatec is there software I have the Csl elite I have never used the software on the computer I do use the tunning menu on the wheel as it’s very simple

Have you got any plans to review the Alpha Mini? I've had one for a while, I really like it - but i'd love to hear your thoughts having tested / used almost every other wheelbase! :D

Hi...great series thx. a negative I heard is that the R9 overheats, reducing the FFB. any thoughts or experiences to share? I also heard, their was a batch issue, but its now fixed...is this true?

Moza hitt it out the park the build in quick realse is so fludid, so much so that Fanatec has a pending neck replacement gen 2 the software is ecosystem is genius and simple to make changes(u paying so much money and Fanatec dont have no ui like that) the build quality of layered carbon fiber on the wheel is thicc also paddles are 1 full piece Fanatec paddles with the machine + and _ is a weak point and feel weak cons is the price for the products, but when u get them they are really high quality so conflicted lol

Moza is awesome but fanatec still has upper hand. Works on console. More accessories. More wheels/pedals. Yes moza is new but for now fanatec is still the way to go. And for price… quality is still top of the line. Yes a few issues like every company.

Here um Brazil we have no choices. There is NO one DD selled. No Moza, no Fanatec, no Simucube, no one.

Man I am torn!! Leaning towards Moza only because of everything im hearing about CSL DD internals breaking and then hearing Fanatec isnt great about customer support. Anyone have input here? Coming from a Logitech G923 and play ACC. Was thinking about the Fanatec for the load cell pedals as its $200 for that and not $500 like Moza but again any comments will be welcomed, plan on ordering today!

Are all the big SIM games going to support this wheel?

Man your fanatec's whiping boy and that's for sure nearly every review you do fanatec always gets mentioned they must be paying you bigtime.

This may be a stupid question, but i should be able to pull the wheel off my real car and use it on this base correct? I run nrg hub and quick release on my real car. Asking cause i do not want to spend more money buying a wheel for it

I hope there is a revisit to this wheel base and wheel to see if some of the things u mention have been addressed in software

So if you guys had to pick of the 2 if both were readily available what would you choose? I have the Fanatec CSL GT Pro but have been curious about Moza as well

I dont agree with all this obsession with how many NM a base has. When it comes down to practicalities, higher force feedback opposes your reactions. The higher the force feedback the slower you are.

Hi Will ! Nice review , I just got one r9 and gs wheel ;) You showed ffb setting for iracing, would you share also for acc? Thanks

R9 or DD Pro which is better？