The books were better. The show looks great but the script writers messed with the story unnecessarily. Perhaps just to justify their paychecks.

It is allowed alright, but you're really missing out. They are reasonaby well-written and absoluteley unboring.

@@orcaflotta7867 Stay away from the books and take the series on its picture and picture story value. there is a lot coming up over the next three books related to the series.

@@kevrenshaw6177 Problem is that I had read a number of Exp. novels already long before the series came out. And they are really great, and up to a certain point the series stays true to the much superior literary blueprint. Still more or less just a retelling.

That's fine, but asking if the season sucked was dumb as a box of moon rocks.

Man my favorite thing with Amos is, when he always thanks someone before proceeding to the beat the shit out of them

"Does that mean were not fucking anymore?" Wha what?? Hm N No... Real smooth Amos😂😂

The best statement when somebody is all talk and no action.

Amos is unbearable. The less screen time his character gets the better. It’s like his dialogue was written by a thirteen year old. Every scene involving the character is the exact same.

@@andrewkennedy-reagan3289 yikes.. I'm sorry you are so shallow

Seriously was waiting that whole scene, hoping for the inevitable rescue....and it never came. Helluva way to end the season imo

Really grew to like his charector through 2 seasons, did not like him at the begining but was genuinely sad when he floated. I hope drummer and daws avenges him.

Me too. Yet, that was a beautifully composed scene, it really payed final respects to the man.

@@new-dystopia This. The Ashford we came to know would have pulled the trigger one last time. That said I saw this coming when Drummer said she would not join and took the bottle back with her. And the whole space shanty funeral with the bagpipes was beautifully done. The character definitely deserved that.

May want to put a spoiler alert edit on this for people who are not caught up or have not read the books fully. :). AND YES. I was absolutely also devastated.

He dosen't need it.

Definitely my favorite character in the show.

They had very little to do with book 4.

@@cb2000a If i remember correctly, they werent in the books at all, so it makes sense that they would be "filler" characters.

@@highgrounder5238 I don't remember Ashford, but Drummer had a very small part of book 4. It was mostly Holden, Naomi, Amos, and Alex. And I'm pretty sure Naomi never went down the well.

@@cb2000a She went just at the end before they leave Ilus, but only briefly and i remebr her saying that her knees hurt.

Who was the baby Ashford was holding in a flashback scene?

DarkAshenfall tbh his character arc in the books was limited to the ring gate battle in season 3. I was so happy that they made his character much deeper in the show, and I figured they would kill him off eventually. If he had to die, well, I’m glad he got an awesome death scene. Made me cry 😢

I thought Was so obvious he was gonna die, and the baby he was holding in an old video from a few eps previous was naomi's son who was the the cause of his death

Tehehehe

True. Made me miss Babu Bhatt.

I agree.They could have made her a widow

@@erikramaekers63 soon my friend.....soon

Johnathan Gopen yes I thought I was the only one who cared about that.

Abdul Rashid seriously?

I'm in two minds about all at once or per week. So many of these episodes end on a cliffhanger, I wonder if it would build more hype to wait a week for the resolution.

Wait. Where is the obligation to binge watch any show? I tended to view them when time allowed, usually no more than two on any occasion. You think they would go better once a week, simple, watch them that way. There is an actual choice here. Not trying to be snippy, just illuminating the obvious.

Solomon Gibson III yeah I get that but it’s like when you have a box of cookies. You don’t have one and stop do you. I binged the whole series in a couple of days. I just think they should let them out slowly to build up word of mouth and anticipation. That’s the one thing tv has over streaming services. It’s just my opinion.

@@scouseandy07 I grant you the anticipation angle, if that is a missing component one appreciates, but word-of-mouth I don't believe has much effect. It, certainly, has helped numerous shows, 'Mrs. Maisel', 'Jessica Jones', etc., etc. Word-of-mouth is a benefit whether a show is weekly or all-at-once. As for streaming vs. television, I've been around a while, and grew up with the traditional weekly viewing ways, but think the jury is still out on which has the narrative advantage. Honestly, I don't see either being dominant. What a series drop gives the viewer is a choice on how they wish to watch a show, something regular tv does not. I may eat more than one cookie, but I don't have to consume the entire box. You're asking streaming platforms to favor those who can't resist consuming the entire box, depriving those who can of the option of choosing for themselves.

andrew latham brah I started looking up the song Ashford sang the Ballad of captain kidd... R.I.P. to Ashford- even though he was a Dick at first.. but who isn’t..

Joel D dialogue isn’t perfect in real life... why expect perfection in dialogue under stressful situations in a fictional real life. Real life situations usually don’t go as your trained to handle them- but ya make it work. Perfect Dialogue, is like perfect beauty- it becomes uglier the more you make it better. Let me copyright that.

MMB628 Jr nothing’s perfect but there is unrealistic vs. realistic.

In the book she drops the f bomb every 15 seconds and is a confidant asshole...

I don't know about Avasarala, she was kinda an asshole from Season 1 and I actually at some point even expected her to be a bad guy. Well, she didnt turn out to be one but for the asshole part - she's been always like that.

@@algalkin I think the difference is that in prev seasons Avasarala was an asshole on "our side". In this one she was just a plain asshole.

Felt like half a season

Yeah. He keeps talking in the most patronizing, disingenuous voice possible that I was half expecting he would try to push Chrisjen out an airlock.

I agree with them taking there time. while season one was a single story arc both season two and three felt split in there stories arcs with one being warped up half way through and finishing out the season with another. Don't get me wrong all four seasons are absolutely awesome but it felt like they were trying to get through as much as possible before the inevitable cancellation which I assume they were trying to stave off with the reveal of the Ring Network. Here though it feels like they know (barring unforeseen circumstances) that they will be around for a while so they can slow down the pace and let it breath, which also helps with the reduced episode count, something I usually hate but here felt natural because they weren't trying to cram multiple arcs into one season.

@@brentstar323 Agreed, also the source material for this season isnt that much... they go to a planet and stop a thing so having less than 13 episodes is fine. Next season though I hope is chalk full because I dont see how they do all of the book in one season.

He was really good indeed.

Yeh, when the hell is jared Harris coming back?

@@lylejames965 No word yet if he is returning for season 5.

I was pleasantly surprised to see Burns in this series because I became a fan after watching him in "Turn".

Book reader here... I think the next season will be a lot closer to the dynamics of seasons 2 and 3!

In comparison to the book this was better than I expected. That book dragged. The cut a lot of unnecessary stuff. Miller’s partner from season one was actually a part of book 4. He was a part of that private security team. Although if I recall he was on the ship in the air the whole time. Also a whole sub plot where they capture Naomi that he was a part of. I think S5 and S6!(depending how the end this) should be a lot better

Yeah, about that season 5...

S4 is my least favorite season, as I disliked all of the Belters on Ilus and disliked most of the plot lines involved with those characters. Murtry was a bad guy but the Ilus Belters earned what they got. I thought Ashford and Drummer had great arcs. I feel S5 was better overall except for some of Naomi's arc dragged and also the final episode was very awkward.

Rip. Yeah I feel like s1-3 created tension and plot from competent ppl facing complex problems and had us really asking questions about who is really right. Even when someone did something harsh we could justify it or at least ask questions. In s4-5 the entire plot is motivated by psychopaths. It's hard for me to get behind the bad guy's point of view, Murtry barely had a point of view. It's like they couldn't find a way to have an adversary so they just made one up just for the sake of having one. Just makes the whole thing shallow. Makes me even more mad about the end of Ashford's arc.

It was book 4....it was pretty much about New Terra. You want space wars and other planets then wait for season 5 and beyond. Trust me, books 7 and 8 are awesome!

What budget cuts? Since Amazon bought and saved The Expanse everything is and looks much more expensive than in earlier seasons.

They said the budget was the same as it was before Amazon revived it.

I read this "reset" argument all the time by people defending s.4. It's a piss-poor excuse. Season 3 was so very excellent, and ended with the promise of amazing exploration of 1300 habitable systems. Instead we got a tiny story involving one system. It was a huge fail when measured against viewer expectations at the end of s.3. But even the tiny story was poorly told this time around. The visuals were confusing at times,, and the story on Ilus seemed completely contrived. We are not given any info about the location of the Belter settlement. It could be seaside. It could be 2000' above sea level. Then the tidal wave rolls in. Then the people all get infected with a native organism that blinds them (except for Holden). Then deadly slugs appear out of nowhere and start dropping from the ceiling on top of the blind people. It all seemed highly contrived and entirely improbable, and it quickly destroyed my suspension of disbelief. I've read through book 6, so I know the stakes will be higher this coming season. Their was an elegance to s.1 - s.3. If you watched carefully, everything was foreshadowed to some degree, you had a good chance to guess what was coming, and all of the characters acted in predictable and consistent fashion when confronted with problems that required decisions and acting upon those decisions. It was perfect storytelling. A lot of that was missing from s.4. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for the best and a return to form for s.5.

@@Yesquire0 don’t agree. The book Cibola Burn is one of my favorites in the series. I’m glad they chose to focus on one planet, it let the story settle in and focus on what would be the problems of Settling a new world. I wish they had focused more on why the RCE scientists were concerned and why their concerns turned out to be right. The series has foreshadowed a lot of season 5. Also books 7 and 8. It’s a lot more hidden but it’s there. I think it is a reset. And I don’t agree with you that character behaviors were missing. They weren’t. They were consistent with what we’ve seen so far. I wish they had spent more time on Elvi and Miller, I liked season 4 a lot and it was the beginning of the next movement in a symphony of stars.

@@davedahl4461 Insofar as we are both going to turn on the TV on 12/16/20 and watch the start of s.5, our little debate here is of no consequence except to maybe make us wonder, and make anybody reading this exchange wonder, why avid fans could be so far apart on their feelings about s.4. So, let me provide some details. The openng sequence for s4.e1. displayed a farily large number of ships in the vicinity of the ring. It was a visual mish-mash. You couldn't tell which ships were filled with refegee belters and which were Martian patrol vessels. You couldn't tell whom the Martians were firing upon, and it wasn't really clear how the Barbicola managed to excape being destroyed. It seemed to be fleeing towards the right at high speed, and their did not seem to be any flip-and-burn before it entered The Ring. Are there no longer any speed limits on Ring entry? It left me thoroughly confused. Later on, Holder drops down a vertical shaft to travel underground through the abandoned Ring-builder facility on Ilus. He is never shown transferring onto a horizontal conveyance. The protomolecule (at least on Ilus) is defeated by whatever that "eye" is, and we discover that Holden is not deep within Ilus, but near the surface. "Near" is a relative term, for it still looks like a major vertical climb to get outside the structure and radio the Roci. Holden, who is majorly sleep-deprived from trying to lead the tidal wave survivors around throught the green slug showers, and shaken from his mano-et-mano with Murtry, makes the climb anyway. We are not shown how he did it. He just announces he's going ot climb to daylight, and then he's standing outside. Those are just two examples of things I felt were sub-optimal story-telling of the sort we never had to sit through during the first three seasons. It reminded me (shudder!!!) of how Game of Thrones' story-telling crashed and burned in the final couple of seasons. I've told everybody within earshot that The Expanse was the best show, ever, bar none, in any genre, any era. I"ve now decided, based upon the disappointment that was s.4, to bide my time and see how things play out from here before revisiting whether or not it is the GoaT for TV entertainment. It's not so much that s.4 stinks, but how much of a decline it represents when measured against s.1-s.3. BTW, I do not think s.1 was "slow" or that half of it was spent "world building". I though s.1 was fabulous, and can't readily accept the idea that the first episode in each of the three trilogies has to be less than fully satisfying because it is a "reset".

@@Yesquire0 it’s a difference of opinion. Anyone that actually reads all of that will shrug and make their own judgements. I enjoyed it, I don’t need it to be perfect. I still love Cibola Burn as one of my favorite books. You’ve done a good job expressing your argument, and your disappointment. It hasn’t affected my love for it one bit. I do see it as a reset, that doesn’t weaken it one bit for me. I’m looking forward to season 5. And the final season 6 although I am sad that they can’t complete the story. I am looking forward to book 9, though I admit some trepidation about it.

@@davedahl4461 I was greatly disappointed to hear about the production ending after the 6th season. Some fans have suggested that it could contnue as a spin-off of the main series, as I am told there is a 30-year time gap between the end of Book 6 and the beginning of Book 7 which might require re-casting with aged actors. I also have some hope for more season's beyound six engedered by the fact that The Who are planning their 47th Final World Tour. I think there is money to be made on the final three books, and those seeking to make that money will find a way to make it. Evaluating entertainment is never completely subjective, but never in the history of the Web has anybody changed another person's opinion about a beloved piece of entertainment, so debating endlessly is a waste of time. Nice talkng to you about The Expanse.

In the books this one was like the slow burn, before the next books which become full out wars.

All you want is all out war? That's stupid.

UnknownHumanoid why you Pensa? in case it’s unclear let me expand my comment (lolz). The key phrase here is by comparison. The expanding discovery of the proto molecule, its capacity and purpose was intriguing. The cat and mouse politics and conflicts were intriguing. The escalation to, and battles within the war combined with the above had a certain intensity. The discovery of and entry into the ring is almost a crescendo point. After this is all established it will of course be difficult to match the same intensity - by comparison. The story evolved and - by comparison this season was more shall we say “slow boil”. In comparison to say an asteroid hurtling at earth and you know, moving on its own. Like all fans I’m glad the show is back and am hopeful that space John snow, finds his balls or what ever he’s looking for out there....

@@UnknownHumanoid Actually yes, since seasons 1-3 were basically "all out war". I might have liked this as a prequel. But Holden; after getting a fundamental "enlightenment" of the entire history of a more developed civilization, suddenly goes back to being suspicious of protomolecule tech and thinking blowing it up will help again and again, when it's obviously shown to be a power and force way beyond anything he could hope to control or understand. THAT'S stupid.

7 episodes in and I hit a wall. The woman running for office and her gay husband is painful to watch. Piss poor acting and too much "Get the fuck out of my office you campaign manager fucking cocksuckers!" Watching a bunch of scummy belters holing up in a giant rhinoceros horn isn't floating my boat either. Let me guess. Holden is gonna do the right thing. And Amos is still an autistic tough guy so look out. It is descending into self parody. The bright spot is the Belter girl and the Bourne Identity guy. The only likeable people left on the show with a character arc. .

Haven't read the books but they're spot on. Season 4 feels much like a build-up to Season 5. Well I'm hoping it is as I really don't want another whole season being stuck on one planet.

Just finished book 5, part way into book 6, and shit be HEEEEAAAAVVVYYYY

*THIS* WAS THE SLOW PART??? God I need to read the books

@@agustinvenegas5238 yes, this book was like a pause. Fasten your seat belt, you've been warned

Season 5 is gonna be amazing!

"Who... _what_ are you?" "Fucked, lady. What I am, is fucked."

Miller-bot

It was pretty cathartic to see someone else interact with Miller before he went

All in all, I have very much disliked this show, but if they have brought the Miller-bot to life on screen I may just have to watch whatever episode(s) it's in. Definitely my favorite part of that book.

@@j.w.m.415 Shorter time period, but they do. There's a grav-lev type system Holden uses to get that distance, instead of riding the bot. He does show up though.

Not only that but he had the opportunity to kill the guy. Someone pointing a gun at your body doesn't stop you from pulling a trigger. He knows he's going to be spaced. It makes no sense.

I was starting to think i was the only one troubled by this, no one else seems to talk about it. It felt really forced

@@Dadecorban Having just been captured, he wanted to send out a message and he did. If he shot Inaros regardless, he wouldn't have gotten that chance, neither would he have ensured the subversion of his plans. At least now someone might know in time. Other than that, I agree that he should have never ended up in that situation. Ashford is a capable guy. Anyone can get outsmarted, I just wish it didn't feel like he played right into Marco's hands.

@@ranialian8537 I just went back and rewatched it. I never noticed he was recording the conversation and I've watched the whole season 3 times. Thanks man

odizzido i think that ashford could (and should) have killed marco right then and there. The reason why he didn’t (imho) is that filip was right there. It all tails back to what ashford said to his „colleagues“ when they wanted to kill that martian, that they should consider what that murder would cause, because violence begets more violence. and what ashford said to drummer, that people need to stop to hate in order to unite for a brighter future and that the old ways do not work anymore if the killing is to be stopped.

Considering the Ashford we got in the TV-show vs the Ashford from the book...omg TV Ashford is hands down the absolute winner.

Couldn't agree more. The casting of the new actor was glaringly bad...considering the exceptional casting decisions thus far. The chemistry between he and Chrisjen was awkward and severly lacked any sense of a lifetime of shared moments. My opinion anyway... =)

Roberto Moreno yeah the original actor who played Arjun was not only an amazing actor but he had great chemistry with Chrisjen. It felt like they were married for decades and had an understanding of one another even though they may not share the same views. It was amazing. The new actor (though not to criticize is acting voices, especially as a training actor myself knowing how personal a performance is to an actor but constructive criticism is needed in order for an actor to progress and excel) played the character very aggressively and rude. And when he was in a scene with Shohreh Aghdashloo (Chrisjen) she carried the scenes. I wonder why they recasted Arjun?

I disagree. Benyaer was great He portrayed the character as someone who could actually stand up to Christian as she was going off the rails.

plus Benyaer was 18 years younger than Shohreh! When I saw him the first time, i thought he was like a personal aide to Chrisjen. When i realized what happened, I said to myself, "they recast Arjun with Judah from Bojack Horseman."

@@adamajobe1756 Brian George, the original actor, has been a 'that guy' actor in television for decades now. I wouldn't be surprised if he enjoys the vatied jobs and doesent like to be stapled to a particular set. It could have also as easily been what other jobs he had at the time.

Especially when the proto-molecule stopped fusion, that "ping" drop sound of the fuel pellet was so disheartening in the level of chaos that was only just starting...

Gravitational lensing?

@@themightyjagrafess8596 u know how a heavy mass object such as black hole bend the space time around itself thereby bending the path of light, causing the viewer to see what's behind the black hole out side of the event horizon. That thing.

@@themightyjagrafess8596 also I'm not technically accurate in tht statement

I think the first couple of series are some of the only adaptations that are better than the books they're based on. Introducing Avasarala straight away improved things a lot.

Yea that asteroid definitely had some unseen propulsion didn’t it lol. I don’t believe thrusters could decelerate an Epstein drive adequately. In the books, often at midway point, the ships would need to turn their main drive to destination to slow down. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, yea? The fuel to weight ratio doesn’t apply to Epstein drives. They smash out as much acceleration as they can physically endure and then turn it around for a deceleration burn. And even then it takes months or years for some journeys.

The Belter daughter being the main connection on the BabaPiccola to get it out of the atmosphere instead of the Captain felt silly aswell.

JoeysSecretLover I was thinking that. Some random passenger and a child at that with no qualifications or known experience is calling the shots on an EVA that the crew lives and trillions of dollar payload depend on.

D Howison exactly. That is my biggest gripe along with no Havelock.

Widget I can’t remember, did Bazes daughter so everything that she did in the show, in the book? Because it felt silly in the show having her do all of those important things instead of senior members on the BabaPiccola

@@zaprese In the Book, Felcia does board the Barbapiccola and wind up in orbit during the fusion crisis, in the book its is Basia that opposes her getting a university education because he lost Katoa to protgen on Io during the Ganymede crisis, but without that context it would be hard to justify his love for his daughter coming from fears that she could end up like Doctor Strickland - (I felt wierd seeing her mother - a medtech - oppose her getting educated but in the book she uses her own education to encourage her daughter - also Basia is the one working with the OPA cell) but he says goodbye before the shuttle takes her up. After the fusion crisis starts, Basia is the one who ends up on the Rocinante and there is also an EVA operation made by Naomi (Alex and Naomi stay on the ship in orbit in the book - though they do come down during runs, Naomi could "feel her knees starting to leak" in the constant high gravity - though they also state in the book that the trip to Ilus takes several months and in order to arrive in time to hopefully make a difference, Holden agrees with the crew to have high-G shifts to shorten the trip with low-G intervals for the Martian and Belter of his crew - anyway) Naomi attempts to disable the RCE's suicide shuttle days before things get urgently desperate and using a special EVA rig with a vacuum welding kit, she planned to put an angine disabling device on it and get out without being noticed - unfortunately, despite keeping the shuttle half a kilometer away, Havelock happens to be training his own little militia of earther and Martian engineers (on Murtry's orders) in EVA combat using paintball guns and gives them generally good advice like "stay away from the thruster ports unless you don't mind getting vaporised". Havelock notices her and despite being equipped with paintball guns, Naomi notices them coming and attempts an escape - only to get tangled up in grapnel lines set out by the engineers (despite Havelock's plan only being to intimidate the saboteur away with no intention of physical confrontation - this sporadic escellation doesn't end here). Naomi actually spends the next few weeks captured on the Edward Israel and despite being a prisoner under Havelock's guard, she earns his trust and he winds up getting along with her better than his own militia. Murty of course wants her kept there for trial in an Earth Court for it and Alex is left alone with Basia on the Roci until eventually there is a prison break of sorts. I forget the exact catalyst but Basia gets sent in with Roci Martian combat EVA gear and with that distraction, Havelock gets himself a shotgun with beanbag rounds so he can fight off any militia that don't buy that he's just "moving the prisoner to throw off the intruder" and eventually he finds Basia, having locked himself in a space toilet trying to avoid the gunfire from the militia - who Murty gave real guns to (had access to the weapons locker). The three of them go EVA and return to the Roci to help with rescuing the Barbapiccola from orbital decay. Havelock makes constant efforts to minimise casualties by constantly warning his militia on an open frequency - but the chief engineer kind of goes rogue and takes just about everything personally and winds up pushing the militia into an attack on the Roci, including DIY handheld missiles made from fire extinguishers - and after Havelock finally winds up killing him, everyone else kind of announces that "Chief engineer Koenen took it too far. No hard feelings?" With a nearly complete Roci crew, the tether is constructed and the rescue plan put into effect, including the use of the rail gun as propulsion (even gets referenced in a later book where a fellow pilot is chatting with Alex about some of their exploits from previous years - among other good bits still yet to come). Eventually though, the Barbapiccola is lost in the book, and with the worries that Felcia would struggle to get everyone off the ship in time, she proposes that they use emergency airlock in pairs to create air bubbles big enough for ten people at a time and use them to get all the crew off the ship and onto the Edward Israel - the captain not being under Murtry's command as its his ship and is also a decent bloke - is happy to accommodate the extra people. In the Book the Barbapiccola is lost before fusion is restored and her plan winds up saving everyone's lives - though without the Lithium haul, options for the Belter on the ground where limited. I forget how the rest of the details go, still rather similar - I think Fayez is on the ground with Elvi and the recovery from the flood is also faster - though the blindness sets in pretty fast - but with Elvi helping Miller-bot to end the proto molecule stuff, you get a much more tangible, though certainly no less strange description of what she saw when she passed through that "eye of an angry god". Also Miller-bot is there slightly longer and Holden plays a match-three game on his hand terminal after a few days without sleep or amphetamines to keep him up. When Miller-bot is broken, he's apparently so heavy Elvi can't move him so he disbands himself and encourages she pick up the core to toss it in - and its described as weighing like 90 kilos on its own, so she really has to try - but Murty is getting 1% of all monetary value gained from this planet and that is why he's so keep to protect the technology - and studying the protomolrecule tech like the ring does eventually yield some cool advances in materials among other things. Anyway, that's all I got off the top of my memory - because the next book was so much more eventful - if we're lucky we wo t have seen the last of Clarissa Mao and Bobbie still has a lot of stuff to do...

I love that phrase as much as "what was she wearing"

@Craig Taylor yes that and Amos “ I’m free right now” Both my favorites. 😁

😂

"This is Amos, he is my best friend in the whole world" The best scene of the Expanse imho, and most other SF series.

I liked his part in the books, was disapointed it was cut.

They saved his life and then he disappeared. That' gratitude for ya.

Exactly, it's like the series hasn't even built up it's speed until book 5 then it's just go go go go go go

Yep, I liked the way it worked in the books much better as well - but I understand the time constraints. In the end this show got cancelled & Bezos bought it back to life. Yeah, you can say the fans saved it, but in the end even with Bezos behind it, this is a costly experiment for Amazon; the numbers were not there for Season 3 so no way Amazon could pay for a long Season 4 which would allow all the other bits/Characters in the book to be included

Yeah much more action in the books, weird how most of the time the movies just make it more daramtic

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Mike Dignum Up to book 6 Drummer is in a few Chapters from Book 5 but she’s not really important. She has Bulls role in Season 3 and takes U.K. the chief engineers role in S2. Ashford does in boom 3. Drummer will probably take Michio Pa’s role in S5&6 as she took Bulls and Pa’s in S3.

@@zaprese Yea we still need Cara Gee being the Camina Drummer we love through Book 7. I do appreciate how they handled the transition of characters and roles in the book vs show change-ups.

Season 3 is still my personal favourite :)

To me Season 2 and 3 feel like one long season, so they are both my favorite seasons

3 > 2 = 4 > 1. In my opinion. But all of the seasons are incredible and season one is still way better than most things airing.

3, 2, 4, 1 3) 9.5 2) 9.3 4) 9 1) 8.5 I only say this because it took a little too get to know the characters... If it wasn't for the two previous season it would be a 9, but they raised the bar imho. Still that first season is excellent but 2 and 3 are so good.. Bah... I love this show.

Every season of this show is so completely different from the other. I'd have to go with Season 3 as my favorite though. Every episode just seemed to get better and better than the previous

I think even worse is her total lack of common sense in dealing with the criminals. She thinks she can drag away her nephew from an organized crime syndicate, letting him go his own merry way with no protection afterwards? It's not just a lack of street smarts, it's total stupidity.

Haha I know right!

TURN was a pretty good show too, I am glad he is still rolling with it.

Drummer has some big stuff coming up in the books. It will be interesting to see how the series handles her character.

@@elocbmc7462 I thought Drummer was a composite of Bull and a couple of Tycho personnel.

They upped the "fuks" to match her book version. She swears like a trooper.

@@Deltasloth240 didnt know that, thnks.

@@ramiro4710 Actually, this is still waaay down on how many ways she manages to be rude in the books. But in the Books early on she explains why she does it . no spoilers, but like most things with her, it is thought out 😊

Glad you enjoyed my video :) I personally hold Season 3 as my favourite thus far. And while there are always things to nitpick, this show is as strong as its ever been.

@@RowanJColeman s3 is also one of my favorites. but I really wish they did the recap with cats with all seasons. what is your take on Netflix's The Witcher?

"The Final 9th book" - my understanding is that they are on par to make it out towards +12 books???

Book 9 is the final book or so Amazon says.

@@SoccerBoyAP I heard that authors will writte new scifi trilogy after they finish 9th book(so 9 the expanse books + 3 non expanse book in future)

I mean, the actress *is* 5'11" and a former boxer, she's not exactly missable on a line-up

@@agustinvenegas5238 Yeah, that was my point. She looks the part.