Thank Kyle, just try to be completely honest in everything even when it sucks!

I agree, I want to explore all the options to figure out whats best for this car with me driving, ones things for sure. . . it ain't that!

100% agree and those who say they never struggle .. . are lyin

Agreed Scott, my gut is telling me that a tight LR chain plus significantly more bite is what led to the situation.

I don't mind an aggressive entry if I can make it stick but that was not sticking at all. Ideally I want to roll the car in but I am still not there yet on getting one that will roll in but have some decent drive off.

@DIRTRACELIFE Facts! The rear is definitely out-working/overloading the front. I'm still leaning towards Frame heights/front and rear roll centers as well as spring rates/preloads. I can't remember what your front spring rates are, but I wouldn't hesitate to toss in a softer rf spring... You might trade a little drive, but you should be able to make it up with keeping the momentum through the corners. Nowadays, everything is based on Corner speeds... faster corners equates to faster straights. Loosen the LF chain 1-1/2" to 2" to allow it onto the rf and rr faster

Well we are sure going back the drawing board on setup so that's coming

I can see your point with that much cross it would have acted better it the springs were swapped around

I hear ya Junior, but man, I feel like a beat mule right now

Thats a dang good point on scaling with weight of a driver. I have enough extra to do that for Rachel's car but not for me.

Thank you for watching Tracey, and thanks for the tip as well.

Same here

Think the same thing. We can't run chains here in GA.

Pretty convinced adding bite while keeping the chain short is what did it. If I had unhooked that chain she would have been a completely different animal.

@DIRTRACELIFE Not sure what part of TN you are from or how far it ohld be but would love to have you at Winder Barrow Speedway one night here in northeast GA. Check it out on here. You would be considered modified street class.

I don’t have a chain on any corner of my car and I’m trying the soft spring bound up on the Lr my shock is my limiter and at full droop I’m binding a 16” inch 150 about an inch an 5/8’s I figure somewhere around 262 lbs of load and , at ride height the 16” 150 measures 10 inches without me in it… RR IM RUNNING A 225 13” spring… haven’t scaled it in awhile so I couldn’t give you any numbers shock is a pop up in LR and a hold down on the RF I run my Lr trailing arm in the bottom hole .. prior to that I was on. A 16” 250 with no load at full droop and a 13” 150 on the RR.. my bite was 365 we run AR’s I’m two rounds dialed from all rear brake I haven’t touched that since changing set ups it works for me either way I don’t have a problem with turning either set up feature time I’m trying to get as close to zero rear stagger as possible 1/2 to a 1/4 inch.. front I can’t tell the difference in stagger but I’m usually around an inch… dry slick she just sticks I’m on a 583 gear on a 4/10th’s mile and at this point I’m just out motored but it sure is fun hoping to just give you some ideas

More would have helped I am sure. It had about 1.25" though which should have been enough

I was forcing it for sure but it was requiring me to pound on it soo hard to get it to rotate in that it was blowing right through the middle. So more work is needed!

@DIRTRACELIFE what did the feedback tell you from spring rates and weight transfer while you were on the edge, and how could you have made it better? I'll tune in for your next show to find out. Look, you do a great job. Stay with it.

Oh, I don't think you are wrong at all, i think it was too much LR and the chain way to short working together to casue that nightmare

Some of that yes but not all. Same springs and same antidive is possible

I agree, however raising the ballast even more would require it to be above the deck which is not allowed.

Normally it would loosen entry but I think with the chain where I had it caused the scenario.

Not at all Waylon and your feedback is very appreciated sir.

Well its all struggle right now!

Agree. More static crossweight (bite) adds understeer in all phases. It would have made more sense to have left the bite alone and softened both front springs equally.

I don’t know who said it. It’s never as bad as it seems or as good as it seems. Keep at it and you’ll figure it out.

It sure showed me that this is true cause buddy it got TIGHT!

@@DIRTRACELIFEdid you check the stagger when you got off the track like maybe the left rear grew and gave you reverse stagger possibly ???

Thats where that extra 40 went but maybe even more is called for

​@@DIRTRACELIFE I agree bud, some heat to feature offset tinkering, all offsets to driver side for feature n passenger side qualifying and heats.

She will tighten up a good bit in feature but the right rear drive off will be better with that 40 above cell n right to rear. Lol

You will get better center off in the corners

I am pretty sure I ruined the setup when I left the LR chain too tight.

@@DIRTRACELIFE go back to to the beginning and start over , make the car do what you want . Remember have fun 👍

Have it all apart in the shop now. Back to Square one... this time> fix tha dang driver LOL

For sure on entry with that chain to tight

Not arguing with any of this Brad

Yep, you are right about this. Part oof it is me and I got mad enough to "show me" what the car would act like if pushed on hard. I have to fix the setup to get it turning but then also drive it more aggressively to make the setup work

If I had unhooked that LR I think I would have been 100 times better off

I know you are right on this Ryan. Back to the baseline

@@DIRTRACELIFE I was about to say the same thing as my buddy Ryan, we need to see aggravated Jason more often behind the wheel haha. BTW this is something I struggle with myself at times as well. 😆

What I want is a car that is free and fast. I hate the idea of a car that is so tight you have to cowboy it all the time. Its makes it very hard to do much with it in traffic or anything. I dont mind beating on it like a rented mule but its sure not ideal. . .

Appreciate it bud

I did .... Quite a bit more. Learned alot about the relationship between left rear bite and a left rear chain because of it too!

I agree with what you are seeing. I think the LR chain bound it and caused the scenario.

I'm thinking all the way back to 125lbs to be honest. More bite was not the answer at all

@@DIRTRACELIFE taking a bite out not it’s not gonna let you be so tight off putting stagger in it. It’s gonna help you turn the car getting in the corner and then you’re gonna have your drive off.

Loading that left like he did is not gonna let the car unload

Well it sure all struggle right now! but sunny days will come soon enough ;)

I can see your point with that much cross it would have acted better it the springs were swapped around

No, I can turn a dump truck, hell this thing would not turn at all

Jay went through all my shocks and reworked them for this new car. 5 races old.

100% spot on

It pissed me off for sure and I was just sick of it. I'm fine with being aggressive with one on entry but the dang thing has to be able to stick is the hard part of that. Not there yet

I think the LR chain being too tight was the culprit so I going to have to agree with you here bud

Will do sir

Yeah more Cross was a definite fail :(

I am pretty convinced I had the LR chain too tight that led to this.

I agree with this

I was all over the place trying to work with it but at the end when I said screw it and just slammed it in on the gas I was full rear with the RF turned off

Full rear and 3 wheel you’re definitely tight! We’re fighting the same issue ! I’m going to add some trail in the RR, add rear steer.

Oh and keep up the videos, love the tech talk on race cars! Great YT channel !

Sure seemed like it

Thats true, they are never perfect

It's got me aggravated right now for sure. Going to get there though

I was trying to reverse course and get back closer to where I started.

I think so too, the LR chain too tight is was what did me in

Its tricky and I am still not hitting it right. But I am learning from every mistake

Yes, the camera had stability on (otherwise its a shaky mess) And yes I still have it at 3 degrees and can drop it a hole to add a few more degrees as well. Could be a possibility.

@DIRTRACELIFE Thanks, I thought it seemed to smooth out bumps in the track and was changing angle with the dash/hood as you entered the banking. I was having difficulty figuring out how much roll you had by the video, and I was trying to figure out your approximate dynamic control arm angles and spring compression/ extension. Start back at the baseline setup if you can (my arrogant opinion, lol). You're doing great. Thanks for sharing your videos and experiences.

I agree, Just me being forced to drive it completely different showed me the car does have more options and I need to get back to where I started and drive the car differently.

Ya think! LOL Yeah, that suck was a disaster

@@DIRTRACELIFE When you first tested the new car, it handled so good... I bet it's something simple when you find it.

Now I am seeing some of this, I am stubborn but eventually it sinks in

I agree with some of what you said. Not sure about the jig car thing, I want to master the league I am in now. I'm a long ways from there and going through this initial pain is going to look like crap. I think skipping over the mistakes and learning process in the videos is the wrong move for me. And yes, if I can figure out how to get the car to stick and hold an aggressive entry then I will happily skip the brake pedal :)

About 3 degrees when I ran this race

@@DIRTRACELIFE 2-1/2-3” is what you need

@@DIRTRACELIFEput it at 3”

I hear ya bud

Very reasonable advice

I understand your sentiment but i don't have that luxury. I am limited on time and none of the tracks run regular schedules every week. Yes, its MUCH harder to sort out a car with all the added chaos but the alternative is to just sit at home.

That track is a disaster, that I agree with. Hell I am going to take this whole car apart just to see what I bent and broke.

Not mad at all and appreciate your feedback. If it's honest and genuine it welcome here bud.