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BB-8 is Superior to R2-D2

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EC Henry

EC Henry

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In virtually every way, the BB-unit design is better than the R-series design.
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@jedidrummerjake
@jedidrummerjake 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but R2 saves the day every time! ...plus he can serve drinks!
@jooot_6850
@jooot_6850 6 жыл бұрын
but can he take coins?
@railhogproductions820
@railhogproductions820 4 жыл бұрын
@[S3rN1N] Warrior I believe BB8 can also function as a servant though he's smaller in stature in comparison to R2.
@blufroog
@blufroog 4 жыл бұрын
bb8 literally delivered a map to find Luke Skywalker
@blufroog
@blufroog 4 жыл бұрын
and he was a slave delivering drinks
@blufroog
@blufroog 4 жыл бұрын
but logically bb8 has the most important piece of it, the location
@aperson22222
@aperson22222 6 жыл бұрын
Of course BB-8 is a technical improvement! He’s, what, sixty years newer?
@exilestudios9546
@exilestudios9546 6 жыл бұрын
potentially more we have no idea how old the R series of astromechs are
@thomashernandez1004
@thomashernandez1004 6 жыл бұрын
Of course its not like technology advances much in star wars. They have had mostly the same tech for thousands of years...
@tikitoki4298
@tikitoki4298 6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Hernandez the tech actually improbes much in the star wars unives the ting is that there dint chance much in desing
@h4724-q6j
@h4724-q6j 6 жыл бұрын
Exile Studios Potentially less. We have no idea how old the BB unit is.
@h4724-q6j
@h4724-q6j 6 жыл бұрын
TikiToki 42 Please learn to spell.
@rdalecowboy
@rdalecowboy 6 жыл бұрын
BB units are certainly an upgrade but Artoo seems to be the more useful droid. He was constantly making repairs, participating in the heroes' plans, and even saves the day occasionally. BB-8 is cute and a great contribution to the Star Wars universe but he's not the little bad ass we got with R2-D2. At least, not yet.
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
Steven W. Fatheree Completely agree! R2-D2 far exceeded his design in every way and is a true hero in every sense of the word.
@davidv4018
@davidv4018 6 жыл бұрын
Steven W. Fatheree well, but this isn't a matter of design. It's a a matter of favouritism, a writer can make R2D2 to defeat an army of clones if he wants to. The same can happen with BB8.
@Janoha17
@Janoha17 6 жыл бұрын
R2's usefulness comes from his experience. In fact, the Resistance would usually pair their aging R-series droids with the more modern BB-units to make the most of both.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 5 жыл бұрын
BB's "usefulness" comes from children's appeal. It sells more toys and merchandise. It always has the potential to "grow" and "mature" with the audience over time. Lots of people dislike (or vehemently hate) TFA and TLJ yet still buy BB-8 replicas. They don't care about the BB-8 character, they're fascinated by the BB-8 technicals.
@xxcakeheadgamingxx4776
@xxcakeheadgamingxx4776 3 жыл бұрын
Hes talking abt the droid series specifically not the character
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
R2-D2 is a trash can. And I love him endlessly! :-)
@andorfedra
@andorfedra 6 жыл бұрын
Your sentiments are beautiful. I Totally agree.
@jgr7487
@jgr7487 6 жыл бұрын
a dirty-mouthed trash can
@benstephenson9325
@benstephenson9325 5 жыл бұрын
JoaoG R Stfu
@benstephenson9325
@benstephenson9325 5 жыл бұрын
R2 is Awesome
@fadetoblack6591
@fadetoblack6591 4 жыл бұрын
The cutest and greatest trash can ever!!!! I love R2-D2!!!
@AngelSamael
@AngelSamael 6 жыл бұрын
In the Phantom Menace R2D2 was seen using magnetic grips to walk on the surface of a ship. R2 units can also house more tools and are more stable when using them.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 4 жыл бұрын
R2 is not actually more stable, it's more top heavy than a BB droid and that's why it has to have three legs to achieve stability. BB droids are like those toys that always return themselves to upright position, one would assume that the outer shell of BB is just that and all of the gear and the bits that move him are sitting at the bottom of the ball with some sort of magnet for the head to attach that rides around inside of the ball. This means that BB is actually mechanically more stable than an R series droid since it'll always right itself naturally. Not to mention there just isn't a wrong orientation for BB, it will always point the right way. It might be tempting to think that it'd be easy to kick a BB around but it's probably very hard to move against it's will because of all the mass it has at the bottom.
@AttackerPictures
@AttackerPictures 3 жыл бұрын
I think all R-series (except R1-units) can do all of these things
@xMojaveDream
@xMojaveDream 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah the video creator didn't really get the point of an astromech droid apparently. No way is BB-8 going to be stable while welding. BB-8 seems to be designed for an action movie, while R2 is designed to actually get the job done
@trustypatches4042
@trustypatches4042 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the gadgets and doodads R2 is equipped with were actually aftermarket mods installed by Anakin
@elainesauerwein2858
@elainesauerwein2858 11 ай бұрын
@@JustSomeFroit They mean all r2 units not only r2 d2
@macomputersuck
@macomputersuck 6 жыл бұрын
R2D2 has a jet pack Your argument is invalid
@Ender-Logan
@Ender-Logan 6 жыл бұрын
BestServedCold lol
@latebakr
@latebakr 6 жыл бұрын
BestServedCold and knowledge of the clone wars, as his memory was never wiped
@TheRibbonRed
@TheRibbonRed 6 жыл бұрын
Little does EC Henry know that the true storyteller of the entire story is actually R2D2. You heard me. “Long time ago in a galaxy far, far away”? That’s Artoo saying it to whoever was accessing his memory banks. Artoo is the main character of Star Wars. That’s why he’s there in every main iteration of it, why he just suddenly turn on in Episode VII, and why the jetpack can overcome anything.
@TheRibbonRed
@TheRibbonRed 6 жыл бұрын
Drake Turcotte R2 & Artoo are used interchangeably. The scripts & some books also used "Artoo" & "Threepio": www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/343lp2/why_do_some_people_spell_out_artoo_and_threepio/
@justsomeone4347
@justsomeone4347 5 жыл бұрын
*Jet legs
@T_REX1014
@T_REX1014 5 жыл бұрын
The R-series is ment for repairing ships like the X-WING but the BB-series isn't as seen in The Last Jedi. Note that BB-8 did repair the X-WING but didn't use any tools, but instead banged his head into the ship.
@soljafon
@soljafon 4 жыл бұрын
That's because he is defective
@Ty-yt3lj
@Ty-yt3lj 4 жыл бұрын
SOLely alone media the BB Unit is probably for repairing ground based equipment in tight spaces where an R2 Unit can't fit.
@BrSgtJordan
@BrSgtJordan 4 жыл бұрын
BB-8 was trying to patch all the leaking power conduits, but there were so many he ended up going for percussive maintenance
@yourwifesboyfriend8688
@yourwifesboyfriend8688 4 жыл бұрын
And for what i have seen you can't put mods on a BB unit
@thiccchungo1041
@thiccchungo1041 4 жыл бұрын
BrSgtJordan “percussive maintenance”
@michaelbyrne1402
@michaelbyrne1402 6 жыл бұрын
You know when BB8 is sitting in Poe's X-wing how his head sticks out the top? What I think would be really cool to see is his head coming off of his ball body and magnetizing to the outside of the X-wing so that it can move around and repair things as it sort of glides across the X-wing's surface the same way it glides across its own ball.
@kuribohbrother
@kuribohbrother 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Byrne One of BB-8’s early designs was just its head as a flying droid, so it’s probably not out of the realm of possibility
@DanteYewToob
@DanteYewToob 2 жыл бұрын
That would be pretty sick. Especially if his head and body could work autonomously as separate units all the time. If I needed basic ship maintenance and also a translator in town, I could leave the base body in the ship to affect repairs while the head could magnetically attach to my back like a backpack and help me out with basic tasks like buying and selling, communicating with my ship through his body allowing me to communicate across the planet or galaxy without a planetary comm system (the equivalent of a ‘home phone’ in Star Wars) and just generally be an extra set of eyes watching my back… literally. Originally I was going to say he could attach to the arm or shoulder like armor but I forgot how BIG BB8 actually is! His head is about the size of a human head, I don’t know why I just thought his body was the size of a basketball for some reason… in my mind.. I know it’s wrong, but that’s just where my brain went. BB8 is definitely more than big enough to be split in two and still be very useful in both halves, he could probably have thrusters or spider legs in his head as well, it would surely fit.
@deetvleet
@deetvleet Ай бұрын
@@DanteYewToob This is very similar to how Osha uses her droid in the new Acolyte series. :)
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 5 жыл бұрын
The bulkier astromechs probably contain more raw computing hardware, able to solve more complex problems and think faster. Or they contain more tools/devices, so able to repair more things or get things done faster. Massive mobility isn't much of an advantage for a droid designed to just sit in a socket, hang around engineering tubes, and sometimes be used as a rolling computer cart.
@maximuslee5670
@maximuslee5670 4 жыл бұрын
So you're saying that old giagantic computers In he 1960s have more processing power than a state of the art phone like an Iphone X? Since the bb units came out 60 years later, it is possible that their tech could be way more advanced but be smaller.
@thiccchungo1041
@thiccchungo1041 4 жыл бұрын
Given the X-Wing and Y-Wings are built with slots specifically for R2 and R3 units is probably because they are better because they have more space for tools and computing software to plan hyperspace jumps and identify and fix damage
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 4 жыл бұрын
Smaller droid which fits in a smaller socket would be an advantage in a starfighter. The comparison wouldn't be a modern smartphone vs primitive sixty-year-old machinery, it would be a smartphone vs a modern desktop - one has the advantage of mobility but the other (bulkier) one has the advantage in everything else.
@slimeybrooklyn7260
@slimeybrooklyn7260 3 жыл бұрын
@@pwnmeisterage It really is about the 60's vs modern era comparison, for example on earth these relatively short time frames have seen massive jumps in computer technology. R2-D2 might have more powerful processors, but proportionally BB-8 has better hardware. If they were the same size, BB-8 would absolutely have vastly more powerful hardware. Not only that, the BB units are a more intuitive design, because of things like small spaces which needed to be fit into on starfighters. Look at the A-wing, and absolutely miniscule ship. It would not be very feasible to cram an R2 unit and it's housing into one of those, but the BB unit realistically could be.
@fenncarr5602
@fenncarr5602 2 жыл бұрын
@@slimeybrooklyn7260 tbf technological advancements in star wars are very slow, and very little in the sequels shows that a droid as small as bb-8 would be as powerful as R2 D2 even after 60 years. Instead it seems that everything keeps getting bigger in order to accommodate more powerf with the size of all the flagships and superweapons lol
@joeturner2532
@joeturner2532 6 жыл бұрын
One thing I really liked about TFA was the advancement if technology, it felt like an actual 40 years on
@thiccchungo1041
@thiccchungo1041 4 жыл бұрын
They are still using the same X-Wing, A-Wing, Y-Wing, and TIE fighter design from the imperial era, they even went back given nothing like the TIE interceptor or TIE Bomber exist anymore, instead replaced with those shitty bombers from TLJ
@evanhenderson1760
@evanhenderson1760 4 жыл бұрын
@@thiccchungo1041 bruh this is an old comment, also while the fighters still resemble the older civil war era fighters they were technologically nothing alike, the starfortress wasnt built for space combat and was decades old by tlj, the first order's interceptors and bombers appeared in resistance
@jacoblyman9441
@jacoblyman9441 3 жыл бұрын
@@evanhenderson1760 I really hated how in Earth season 2020 the US Air Force was still flying B-52's! Ridiculous, you would really think we'd believe that humans kept the same airframe flying for 55 years? They are even claiming they will keep them in service to 2040 and beyond, 100 years old that is stupid! Not to mention they are flying alongside F-15's and F-16's from the 1970's! Even worse they are trying to pass on us the idea that they even still use 737's in commercial flight since 1967! The newest "737" is just lazy unimaginative design it just slapped new engines and bad software into the plane that looks like the same ones from 1967. Jeeeez, either humanity is lazy or they better fire the writers and hire some new ones for Earth season 2021, imagine how many toys they could sell if they weren't just regurgitating old planes and hewing to the stuff from the WW2 Prequels instead! Now the WW2 Prequels, that era had class; chrome and everything! - Space aliens (probably)
@shaggystoner5235
@shaggystoner5235 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacoblyman9441this reminds me of that one South Park episode where the boys found out Earth was on a reality show and they were gonna get cancelled.
@HHLucifer666
@HHLucifer666 2 жыл бұрын
Eh.... *IN AREAS*
@dustinakadustin
@dustinakadustin 3 жыл бұрын
How the hell did I never notice R2-D2 trying to walk down the stairs in a new hope??
@ilikethecokev2
@ilikethecokev2 5 ай бұрын
He's probably like "Ugh, wish my jets still worked..."
@90lancaster
@90lancaster 6 жыл бұрын
R2 Has superior internal memory storage. He also has more tools overall than BB-8 As an individual R2 is a far superior Slicer / Hacker And also as an individual he may be able to hold more Hyperspace routes in memory Artoo has little danger of "Literally" loosing his head - if shot in the head like Artoo was in the trench run - BB-8's head would have flown off completely - he's also possibly more likely to fall out of a droid slot. BB-8 could potentially loose control of his own body on ice or oil or suffer issues with keeping his head in place (like in a strong wind when flying in an atmosphere). I would imagine Artoo is a far superior swimmer. But for out of atmosphere repairs Artoo is likely way superior (that is partly what he's built for after all). BB-8 may be able to get out of an X-wing Astromech slot more easily and using his grapple he can load himself- he's also just about light enough to physically lift into place manually too. Even it's it's just picking him up and putting him on the nose and letting him roll up the hull. BB-8 is like an Apple product of Astromech - he's more for fashion than function - he's also likely HUGELY expensive with all that miniaturisation and likely requires a lot of personal attention - so he's more like having a pet in some ways. You'd need to recharge his fuel reservoirs for some of his tool more often as he's smaller. But as a companion and multi-role droid he has a number of advantages over a humanoid body or a Traditional Astromech body. Most of the R-series droids have a secondary optical piece that moves so that can allow them to look up or down (it's essentially a holo-recorder lens) but it's also a sensor so can function as a eye as well as the main static one does - just with a narrower field of view. So yeah they can look up and down without moving their whole head a fair bit. R2 Units might be better in Zero Gee too (though this has only rarely been demonstrated - they usually just roll with their wheels magnetised) - I can see how BB-8 might have some trouble maintaining a magnetic lock on things in zero Gee - but he'd pretty much have to be able to do that or he'd simply be a pretty poor repair droid - as he'd not be able to get out of his slot and trundle over the ship hull otherwise. Perhaps they will add jets to him that will answer a lot of his problems. I do think it's possible BB-8 might be able to leap off a cliff to save someone if he has little thrusters and his grapples - but it seems risky - but I think if he fell of a cliff into water he might suffer no harm and might even float.
@SlashoftheGreatnessOfficial
@SlashoftheGreatnessOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
90 Lancaster R2 is better, but BB-8s head is magnetic so blowing off his head wouldnt be a problem (unless its head flies long distance)
@Gigas0101
@Gigas0101 4 жыл бұрын
And this concludes 90 lancaster's essay on why they felt personally attacked and had to make this about unique characters rather than droid models, missing the point of the video with an embarrassing WHOOOOOOOOSH.
@byeetch
@byeetch 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus
@AnComZharptitza
@AnComZharptitza 4 жыл бұрын
In legends artoo can electrocute large numbers of stormtroopers. In cannon R2D2 is severely nerfed
@Purified_Water_Enjoyer
@Purified_Water_Enjoyer 4 жыл бұрын
R2 took down all the stormtroopers in a star destroyer.
@SignoftheMagi
@SignoftheMagi 5 жыл бұрын
Along with the many, many reasons already given in the comments, I have three more to add. -Adding speculations not seen as proof of superiority is a crap move. And invalid. -R2 units are at least 70 years older than BB units, and also much larger. Thus they may be out of date, but have room for a LOT more tools without wiggling around to get to them. -The Last Jedi showed BB-8's greatest weakness: you can easily kick the head right off and throw it away. Its main sensor cluster is easy to remove or lose by blunt force. R2-D2 has been shot by TIE Fighters and held together, but BB-8 LOST HIS HEAD AFTER A HARD KICK. WINNER: R2-D2.
@zmanrockz6358
@zmanrockz6358 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowsingularity ANH
@junkbotrplore4294
@junkbotrplore4294 Жыл бұрын
Well you see the reason why bb-8 head is so moveable is for his body imagine what it would be like if bb-8 ‘s head could not match up with his body movements his head would pop off but r2d2 is not made for those fast movements so his head is solid and not magnetic like bb-8
@sansgamingwastaken
@sansgamingwastaken 9 ай бұрын
"You can easily kick the head right off" You can easily kick R2-D2 and he's immediately down for the count once he falls over, so I have no idea how that's a point for him at all.
@GreenDragoonTV
@GreenDragoonTV 6 жыл бұрын
I could see height being an issue. BB-8 is noticeably shorter and may have difficulty reaching control ports R2 would otherwise easily plug into.
@warbossgrimdakka5401
@warbossgrimdakka5401 6 жыл бұрын
Green Dragoon grapple hooks
@gamingbreadstickk550
@gamingbreadstickk550 6 жыл бұрын
Overkill
@billnyetherussianspy1596
@billnyetherussianspy1596 4 жыл бұрын
Cb-23 did slice a control point in resistance
@DanteYewToob
@DanteYewToob 2 жыл бұрын
His tools are all on retractable arms that can bend at angles and reach. We actually see him access something taller than himself at one point by just reaching his arm up. Kinda like a midget turning a light off… lol the switch is made for normal people, but that doesn’t mean midgets live in a world of darkness…
@user_of_the_force_15.74
@user_of_the_force_15.74 2 жыл бұрын
If the computer plug is located in BB-8 head, he would be able to raise his head like we see when he repairs Poe's X-Wing.
@BGRANT777X
@BGRANT777X 6 жыл бұрын
I thought neil degrasse tyson pointed out that a single sphere like BB-8 wouldn't have traction on things like sand in the real world. Was that disproved?
@ECHenry
@ECHenry 6 жыл бұрын
+Brandon G That’s pretty easily disproved by the fact that BB-8 is a real remote-controlled prop that is actually rolling on real sand. In-universe, traction still doesn’t seem to be an issue for BB-8, and I think no matter what, he’d manage on loose sand much better than R2 would.
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
And technically bumblebees can't fly.
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 6 жыл бұрын
G. Scott Taulbee. Yes, they can. Thats a constantly propagated un truth.
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
DrewLSsix likewise, it is a myth that a sphere couldn't roll on sand. That is the point I am trying to make. Clearly bees can fly.
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 6 жыл бұрын
EC Henry. Plus.... we have experimented with Mars rover designs that are essentially inflatable balls that roll around by shifting the internal mass of the rover on guy wires.
@fm_0523
@fm_0523 4 жыл бұрын
R2: I saved my friends butts so many times that you need more than a memory chip to remember all the times I did It BB-8: I'm not even the mechanic droid of the squad because Rey does all the job
@JustANervousWreck
@JustANervousWreck 3 жыл бұрын
“BB-8 is superior to R2-D2. Now I don’t mean that in a character sense, or an aesthetic sense, but in a technical comparison between BB and R series droids. In this sense the BB unit is almost the perfect advancement of astromech technology.”
@fm_0523
@fm_0523 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustANervousWreck basically I mean that R2 is superior in character sense, he saved Luke, Leia, Han, Cewie, Anakin and Obi Wan a bazillion of times
@tehwhaffle3088
@tehwhaffle3088 4 жыл бұрын
R2 units are meant for mor computational tasks like planning hyperspace routes and controlling subsystems they may be bigger but that just lets them fit more high power electronics, also it's allot easier to modify and repair an r2 unit cause you don't have to stabilize the ball and there's more space to put things like grappling lines or modifying the built in flare launcher to fire anything from a lightsaber(luke skywalker) small missile/explosive or a package carrying medical supplies spare ammo or illegal data so you can send it just where it needs to go from quite a ways away, r2's may have trouble with stairs ad stability but they are really meant to be technicians and basically co-pilots for small fighters and other one person ships doing things like making in-flight repairs or even counter attacking parasite-like combat droids cause you don't need much balance when you're in an astromech socket running systems and doing repairs, and they have a built in life sensor and a periscope type thing and they can look up they have sensors to do so the felid of view is just a bit narrower, i love the r2 units they're one of my top 3 droids I guess I just see the potential in an r2 rather than the flat out factory new stuff but meh \•~•/ Also they are adorable bb's are as well but just not as cute as my little trash can co pilots that i love to bits, did you know that they can raise their domes up from their chassis which was a feature designed so they could fit in the tall sockets in the naboo star-fighters, neat •^• I'm not denying that bb's are a useful droid but to the standard individual an r2 is probably going to be allot more useful, I recommend this video to see just how many things an r2 can do kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jaqjoLaGqcnInGg.html
@benstephenson9325
@benstephenson9325 5 жыл бұрын
R2-D2 is far more superior!
@andorfedra
@andorfedra 6 жыл бұрын
I love how many of the comments before me are trashing the BB series, and loving on the R series. The Natural evolution of the R-series was going toward something akin to the BB series. the disadvantages of the BB series, namely the fact that it's body is a ball, is also its advantage: it's low center of Gravity. R series droids have a center of gravity that is already high. being centered just below their head, this top-heavy design is exacerbated by the instability of the legs they stand-on, which (by the way) also increase the height of the center of gravity. a BB unit rolls along its center of gravity, this making it impossible to tip over. the head is of minuscule mass compared to the body, thus why it wouldn't affect the ability of the droid to keep itself upright. Remaining within a droid socket is a matter of the droid possessing magnetized locomotion, namely it has special pads, or hard-points it can energize to lock its body to a magnetic surface, like the hull, or droid socket of a starfighter. it doesn't need an adapter, it is designed and built with a solution to that very "problem".
@clearspira
@clearspira 6 жыл бұрын
I'm trashing it, true, but the comments (and Likes) disprove the idea that this is a controversial opinion.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 5 жыл бұрын
R2 has been around for two "epic" movie trilogies - and countless spinoffs - over 40 years. BB has been around for two "Mickey Mouse operation" movies (one not-too-bad, one utterly-awful) - and a handful of childrens' spinoffs - in the last handful of years. So ... many people have strong sentiment because they've liked R2 for at least half their lifetimes ... R2 droids were just as technologically impressive and wondrously inventive in their time as BB droids are now ... and R2-D2 has a become truly iconic character while BB-8 seems like just another fancy "toy" in a far more competitive/crowded market.
@clearspira
@clearspira 6 жыл бұрын
R2-D2 can fly using an in-built rocket pack, that automatically makes him superior because he can go anywhere. He can also contain far more tools and equipment due to his size - go to Wookiepedia and check out all of the kit he has in comparison to BB-8. Our favorite trash can is second only to a sonic screwdriver in terms of utility. He can even hold spare weapons and gear for his owner AKA Luke's lightsaber. Sorry, R2 may flounder in some aspects, but you are not convincing me that he is better overall.
@peacefuldawn6823
@peacefuldawn6823 6 жыл бұрын
instead of aka (also known as) use eg, as what youre giving is an example
@clearspira
@clearspira 6 жыл бұрын
Fair enough, good advice.
@dreadnought-ai
@dreadnought-ai 6 жыл бұрын
What's to say BB doesn't have more secrets behind those hatches, as Henry suggested (Stairclimbing tools and thrusters). Also, I think they have their niches, walking toolboxes (R2) for larger Capital ships, and lighter, but smaller and faster BB units For small craft like fighters.
@eggmon3813
@eggmon3813 6 жыл бұрын
YES BUT SOME MECHANIC COULD JUST ADD THAT TO BB WITH NO PROBLEM. The only thing it couldn't to is hold a lightsaber which is nothing compared to BB's better movement, vision, and balance.
@nutelak-nv2zw
@nutelak-nv2zw 5 жыл бұрын
@@dreadnought-ai In TLJ BB-8 couldn't fix poe's X-Wing he is useless for starfighters. R2 could do it. BTW aren't you on eck's discord?
@barrybend7189
@barrybend7189 6 жыл бұрын
Can you look at T3-M4 compared to R2 and BB-8.
@liquidmark5081
@liquidmark5081 5 жыл бұрын
Barry Bend t3m4 looks like she started out as an astromech or something.
@uglygiantbagsofmostlywater
@uglygiantbagsofmostlywater 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, but how does bb8 get the right tool/hatch in front of the thing he wants to control/fix/etc. Try painting a dot on a bal and then, without picking up the ball, getting it to line up exactly where you want it to be. And it doesn't look like all the hatches are the same and so probably have different tools.
@rebelbeammasterx8472
@rebelbeammasterx8472 6 жыл бұрын
Internal ball can rotate the correct tool into place. I don't actually know the internals or if there is canon internals of BB units.
@jooot_6850
@jooot_6850 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the tools work like guns in casemate tank destroyers; they would be mostly fixed, but with very small amounts of wiggle in them for specific targets.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 4 жыл бұрын
I mean that's not actually that hard to do though, if say he's standing on a tool he needs he just rolls 90 degrees back, then rotates another 90 degrees so it's on his side, then rolls forward those 90 degrees again and then rotates back those 90 degrees. Given how fast he can clearly move this entire operation would probably only take a second or two. However I'm gonna guess he is smart enough to just make sure he always has the right tool at the front so he wont ever be in a position where he needs to do this and most of the time he probably just measures out the distance ahead of time and then makes sure that when he stops the right tool is out. This would not be very difficult for a computer to do since he knows his diameter and with just a simple laser range finder he can easily calculate the distance needed. It's similar to how an automatic subway system always makes sure to align the doors of the train with the station. Or how you make sure that when you're walking somewhere you stop precisely at that point and don't have to take a few steps backwards and forwards to get everything lined up.
@DanteYewToob
@DanteYewToob 2 жыл бұрын
@@hedgehog3180 agreed. Also, I figured that his tools are different on each side but rotate as well in a sort of tool changer system. If each door had a number and each tool a letter, if he rolled up to an enemy he might calculate the best path to reach him as fast as possible while lining up any door with the enemy, he stops at the enemy’s feet and ‘DOOR 3 in action position. Moving TOOL C to DOOR 3’ open hatch, electrocute and then flip him the tiny metal finger. Without moving an inch he needs to open the panel the man was guarding, again ‘DOOR 3 in action position. Need TOOL F. Moving TOOL F to DOOR 3. Unlocks door. Continues. I think that’s how it works. Less like trying to line an exact and particular door with an objective, but just getting any door in an actionable position where he can then rotate the tool he needs into position behind the door. I think we actually see something like this at one point where he’s using a tool and closes the door and opens it back up to give Finn the ‘thumbs up’ with the lighter. I’m pretty sure he swapped tools without moving. (The second time he does it, the first time I think he was already using the torch for something. Anyway, that’s just how I assumed he works
@darkblades1201
@darkblades1201 6 жыл бұрын
The grapnel hooks the BB units have also have an advantage for combat maybe? And the take up less space (hehe) in general.
@Janoha17
@Janoha17 6 жыл бұрын
BB-8 uses the liquid-cable launcher to create binding in The Last Jedi.
@mychalbishop4248
@mychalbishop4248 6 жыл бұрын
I'm just imagining a BB unit firing a grapnel at someone's face
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
Okay. I'm back after seeing the Last Jedi with the admission that BB-8 is superior to R2. My concern was the function of BB-8 in the intended role of astromech, which was clearly shown in the opening act of The Last Jedi. BB-8 is now superior in every way except in the realm of nostalgia.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 5 жыл бұрын
We've seen only two of BB droids "acting" onscreen and we've seen at least a handful of R2 droids "acting" onscreen ... admittedly not much sample size to draw comparisons from. But it seems like the R2 droids are "smarter", they seem to have more focus on their task and their objective, they seem to be more decisive and generally more "savvy". And it seems like the BB droids have more "childish" behaviours, they seem more easily distracted, they seem more hesitant and easily confused. "Superior" is subjective but if these behaviours/personalities are important parameters then perhaps the R2 droids are "better" than BB droids for certain functions.
@davfree9732
@davfree9732 5 жыл бұрын
I disagree , based on a scene in the Phantom Menace. R2 and a host of other droids have to go outside a ship, move across and cling to the hull. This requires large footprints to allow the effect of the Astromechs feet to cling on. BB8's footprint is small by comparison, making him ill suited and at higher risk of being lost if the ship is maneuvering, which during the fight of the scene in question, is highly probable. His grapples wouldn't help either as to move a good distance would require a BB to extend out a length of cable that if incorrectly timed, would turn the BB into a wrecking ball if the ship turned. To get around this problem, BB8 needs a bigger footprint so he has a larger contact point with the hull of a ship. This however would require dedicated internal equipment that would take up the limited space inside of BB8's body to the point that, if the unit isn't packing the most tools and interfaces just so it can move about an environment the R2's can already traverse easily, then it's probably the wrong unit for the job of repairing large ship's under fire,
@rjplays8397
@rjplays8397 5 жыл бұрын
@@davfree9732 your probably correct about R series units being better at repairing ships under fire from the outside, however if I had to guess I'd say that the BB unit's main purpose is getting into harder to reach places, and places gravity has been disabled in for repair on the inside.. why else would it be so compact and small, as well as having added grapple hooks? It's the only thing that makes sense.
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 4 жыл бұрын
@@davfree9732 The larger footprint also limits the movement of the R2s though, and keep in mind while they are larger they don't actually have much more area of contact than BB-8 has. You're getting to the wrong conclusion here, the R2s being big, heavy and unstable need to have large feet but proportionally to their weight they probably have less contact area than BB-8. This is not a strength of their design but rather a weakness that had to be overcome through design but this presents another problem, that they can only really navigate on a ship like the Naboo one that has a smooth outer hull, if a ship had too sharp angles they'd be severely limited in their movement, plus if there isn't space for all 3 of their feet to make contact then they just simply can't move anywhere. BB-8 however is smaller overall so while it has less contact overall it still has more relative to it's size and importantly it's weight, the fact that it isn't relying on feet means that it can roll around the ship and can navigate much more difficult shapes, it could for example roll over the edge of a wing, something an R2 wouldn't be able to. It's mass is also located lower down, this means that during maneuvers it is experiencing much less severe forces pulling it away from the ship compared to an R-2 which has most of it's mass well above it's legs. BB-8 has less contact overall because it needs less contact to stay safely secured to the ship and this affords it a lot more freedom in navigating said ship, plus it always has the last resort of the grappling hooks.
@conallkearney1513
@conallkearney1513 4 жыл бұрын
R2-D2 can fly, set things on fire, and is more experienced. R2 can fly up stairs and r2 is overall a much better droid and character
@mdisco10
@mdisco10 6 жыл бұрын
R2 is the Chosen One. Sure BB-8 is better technology wise, but character wise, R2 wins hands down.
@15oClock
@15oClock 6 жыл бұрын
But there's one way R-series is superior: starfighter flight. An R-series seems naturally suited as an onboard mechanic, but BB units seem to be haphazardly put into the Astromech socket, risking just flying off during flight. There would have to be some sort of special harness exclusive to the BB series or built into the starfighter that R-series have as a standard.
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 6 жыл бұрын
Caleb Chaney. What?
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
When your stabilizer is loose, your droid buddy needs to be able to lock it down back there. I can imagine R2's tools might be able to more easily access an X-Wing's engines. BB's tools don't seem well placed to be used when docked in a starfighter . That is what these guys are really designed to do, fly in spaceships. Excitement? Adventure? A droid seeks not these things.
@clearspira
@clearspira 6 жыл бұрын
DrewLSsix What do you mean, what? He explained it very well.
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 6 жыл бұрын
clearspira. I mean we have no idea how droids are secured in their sockets. Theres no reason to think BBs are less able to secure them selves.
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
How does a BB head keep from flying off? :-D
@negativejam2188
@negativejam2188 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly the BB units are of the few things I like about the new movies, the ships being other things I like. I’m a huge logistics and technological nerd so military and robot equipment from the lowly astromech to the largest dreadnought have me giddy
@RedXlV
@RedXlV Жыл бұрын
Aside from the horrible design laziness of the TIE/fo and the Xyston-class Star Destroyer, the ship design in the sequels is pretty great. (The saddest part is that there were apparently other new Star Destroyer designs *intended* for Episode 9 that didn't make the cut, which were vastly better than the Xyston's "copy-paste an ISD but make it bigger and strap a superlaser on the belly" crap.)
@Alex_-in1zb
@Alex_-in1zb 5 жыл бұрын
I know it may be hard, but you gotta go over the perks of R2 against BB-8
@matthiasm9591
@matthiasm9591 6 жыл бұрын
You missed an extremely big flaw in the spherical design of BB 8. If he wants to use a tool in a certain area, lets say a wall panel or access point, or whatever, he has to roll there from exactly the right distance to position that tool in the right place. That is a chance in a million. So he would actually be completely useless, unless he has a possibility to cover a certain distance without rolling.
@marcuswalker3056
@marcuswalker3056 6 жыл бұрын
Matthias Muster I can move the ball without moving the droid in the toy anyway
@h4724-q6j
@h4724-q6j 6 жыл бұрын
You forget one key thing: droids are computers. BB-8 can calculate those distances in milliseconds with modern computers, and probably far quicker given the technical superiority of the Star Wars universe. He can do all sorts of things that will let him access the correct panel at the correct time, including rolling to one side and calculating the new distance to the thing he needs to operate on using trigonometry, or rolling in circles of various sizes. Maybe there are other things too; who knows?
@marcuswalker3056
@marcuswalker3056 6 жыл бұрын
Henry Ambrose BB8 Was Very nearly going to become a hovering droid like dr ball
@BrettG17
@BrettG17 6 жыл бұрын
Excuse me, but, yes they did mention it. At 0:39
@eggmon3813
@eggmon3813 6 жыл бұрын
He said that in his video but he can roll very quickly so it wouldn't be that big of a problem.
@jumpinjimflash
@jumpinjimflash 6 жыл бұрын
Balderdash! R2 units have sensors to "see" 360 degrees. It's not required to move the head to look up or down. Maybe this is a limitation of the BB series? Also TRACTION! BB series have little to no traction. If a BB unit gets stuck somewhere it's dead in the sand. An R2 unit can still WALK. Amongst the many superior qualities of an R2 unit you CAN'T steal their head and run away with it. There. 'Nuff said.
@AdrianWoodUK
@AdrianWoodUK 6 жыл бұрын
The films don't show us either the R2 or BB units's heads being stolen, nor give any evidence that either model's head can't be. Also, as the video demonstrated, having sensors which can see 360 degrees (and I assume you mean a 360x360 sphere here) isn't enough: R2-D2 may be able to see 45 degrees down in the direction of an object under a table, but without being able to move the head down under the table's level, the table is still in the way. BB-8 doesn't have that problem (and, as far as we know, also have 360 degree sensors at least as good as R2s). The traction argument is a little weird. If a BB unit gets stuck, it can't move? OK, I agree. Likewise, if an R2 unit gets stuck, it can't move either. It *can't* still walk. Because it's stuck. The issue isn't whether they can free themselves from being stuck, but how likely they are to get stuck, and we know a ball shaped like BB-8 can roll on sand, because those shots of BB-8 rolling across the sand were practical effects. It was literally done, in the making of the film. Despite what Neil D-T says, sand shouldn't be any more a problem here for BB than for R2.
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
Adrian Wood BB-8 used movie magic to roll on sand. They were practical effects, but that just means it wasn't CGI. It was a hard surface lightly covered in sand with a special BB-8 prop. scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/113600/how-does-bb-8-move-in-the-sand-without-skidding Apparently, a 'real' BB-8 would have difficulty in sand dunes due to traction problems.
@andorfedra
@andorfedra 6 жыл бұрын
If said person could grab its head... sure; as for traction, its body isn't perfectly smooth. it has all manner of nooks, ridges, and hatches that can provide traction. and once it gets going it can continue to move at the behest of the servo-motors in its head. You forget that they have superior technology that makes it possible for them to attach a droid head with more than mere mechanical design.
@GScottChaosnaut
@GScottChaosnaut 6 жыл бұрын
Andor Fedra perhaps BB-8 would have no problem in sand, but from reading the 'making-of' articles, it seems like the prop team had to set up special surfaces since nothing would work in deep sand. The props also needed to be attached to a system for movement. It certainly seems impractical to be sure. Then again, R2-D2 is no master of stairs either.
@jumpinjimflash
@jumpinjimflash 6 жыл бұрын
So why doesn't that "superior technology" logic apply to R2 units as well? ;)
@Tejanimations
@Tejanimations 6 жыл бұрын
*Watch The Whole Video First*
@mariic2
@mariic2 6 жыл бұрын
RedstoneHearts - I don't think they will listen.
@TheRibbonRed
@TheRibbonRed 6 жыл бұрын
Nah. Artoo will always be Star Wars’ main character for the numbered movies-unless Artoo transfers his memory banks to BB-8.
@ajaderabbit8399
@ajaderabbit8399 6 жыл бұрын
R2 Is like 60 years old by TLJ Of course people are going to advance astromech tech of that span of time
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 4 жыл бұрын
BB-8 is also almost that many years in FX advancements, which is probably the reason. R2-D2 was made with the technology of the 70s and had not CGI to help it nor was robot technology very advanced back then. He was played by an actual person, Kenny Baker so they had to make a costume he could fit into and they then also had a remote controlled version which drove on 3 wheels. BB-8 however didn't have to fit anyone inside because by the time shooting for The Force Awakens started real world robot technology had advanced significantly, we had gone for them purely being in sci-fi to them being a very real thing. BB-8 is still mostly a practical prop but alongside that they also had the assistance of massive leaps in special effects and especially CGI in order to round off the edges. And he was probably designed like this in order to solve many of the problems that came with shooting with R2-D2, BB-8 as a robot is obviously just more flexible and they needed that for a more modern movie.
@minegaming4526
@minegaming4526 3 жыл бұрын
@@hedgehog3180 i think he meant in universe
@brentc2411
@brentc2411 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, I'd hope so, BB-8 is about 50 years newer than R2
@geronoven
@geronoven 5 жыл бұрын
But i don't think that bb-8 can hold and fire lightsabers 😂
@captiancraft3020
@captiancraft3020 4 жыл бұрын
I think he can they did not show it in the movies yet.
@_reverse-psycho_855
@_reverse-psycho_855 4 жыл бұрын
BB8 alternative stairs descent: Getting thrown down (Last Jedi reference) BB8 weapons: coin shooting R2D2 superiority: Not losing head
@ender7278
@ender7278 6 жыл бұрын
But shouldn't BB-8 be skidding like crazy on sand?
@eggmon3813
@eggmon3813 6 жыл бұрын
Remember your talking about a universe with glow stick wielding wizards
@aurorersgh2420
@aurorersgh2420 2 жыл бұрын
Bb-8 is adorable and hilarious, but R2 is a war hero, he fought through all of the clone wars and seems to end up saving everyones lives all of the time, even going on missions on his own. He can fly too with little jet feet. It’s hard because I’d totally have a BB unit if I could, but R2 is the one you’d want to watch your back.
@MicahJMoore
@MicahJMoore 2 жыл бұрын
one advantage that r series droids could have over bb series would be experience, like with the fact that r2 has never had a memory wipe throughout his life in the franchise as stated in the clone wars series. Like captain rex said in the clone wars, "experience outranks everything"
@davfree9732
@davfree9732 5 жыл бұрын
Something that was missed. R2 can cling to a ship's hull while it is in flight and repair systems using magnetic feet. He can also move about a hull while in space due to these dedicated contact points. That's not to say that BB8 couldn't, but a dedicated magnetic shell to allow him to "Roll" across a ship;s hull would be dangerous for him as his contact footprint would be very small to the point that adding such a feature would be a waste of space. And BB unit's are already very small to begin with. BB could use his grapples to move about a hull, but this is again is risky in a fight as a moving ship would drag a BB unit around like a wrecking ball as the ship changes vectors. So in summary, R2 is a more reliable space model, while BB is arguably a better ground based model due to small contact footprint with surface that helps it in gravity, but does not help outside of gravity, to the point that it would need an internal system to compensate that would remove space for tools and interfaces., which is the entire point of an Astromech .
@ArandelaGriffe
@ArandelaGriffe Жыл бұрын
In which way BB-unit design is better ? -He can roll fast on asphalt or sand. -he can roll faster on ice without moving an inch away -He can gather dust, dirt an mug on his whole body faster. -He can Stay stuck faster in the mud, dive faster in any swamp or Quicksand -He can look under any skirt but cannot see what on a table (worst spy ever) -He can't serve any drinks, cannot reheat coffee or make popcorn (try R2D2 coffee press/popcorn maker) Basically BB-8 is an infantery foot soldier where R2D2 is a 12 stars General. But I prefer BT-1 : He is way much more cooler.
@TheMugHoarder
@TheMugHoarder 4 жыл бұрын
One thing that gets shown in the Last Jedi is that the BB Series droid can operate without its head. So instances where the head gets knocked off (but even this requires a large amount of force), the droid's ball segment can continue its work unimpeded. Unlike the R Series where like Obiwan's R4, getting your head ripped off is sort of the end.
@superpaytonmars8852
@superpaytonmars8852 3 жыл бұрын
I will admit, this is a very well thought out and fair video. I thank you for not just shitting all over my favorite character for three minutes. Personally, I feel like comparing the r and bb series is kind of like comparing pepsi and coke: same product, different packaging. It all just depends on what you're looking for in a droid.
@valtersplume3726
@valtersplume3726 5 жыл бұрын
BB-8 is also extremely resilient. He was caught in the Exterminatus that Kylo Ren carried out in the Raddus's hangar and lost his head, but simply reattached it.
@lichtheelumbu1698
@lichtheelumbu1698 3 жыл бұрын
Bb8: i am best R2: no i am the best Amateurs Who are you punk Chopper:amateurs
@liamthompson8563
@liamthompson8563 2 жыл бұрын
R2-D2 saved the day more than BB-8.
@NXTangl
@NXTangl 4 жыл бұрын
One potential disadvantage to the BB series is the magnetic neck joint attracting grit, and the need to maintain a smooth outer surface reducing the potential for grip on slick terrain.
@KayleighBourquin
@KayleighBourquin 6 жыл бұрын
I would agree that BB units are far more adaptable to almost any situation they could come up against, but due to their smaller size I'd wonder if they were more limited in tool capacity compared to the larger R2 units.
@eggmon3813
@eggmon3813 6 жыл бұрын
Kayleigh Bourquin true but this is in the future they could probably make the gadgets smaller than the R unit
@TheTransforcer
@TheTransforcer 6 жыл бұрын
Great analysis and breakdown. One thing to note is that R2 DOES have a good range of ‘sight’ as his optic scanner thing is a moderate angle uh turret base? R2’s Dome also seems to be able to rotate very quickly allowing for change in orientation as quickly as BB8.
@thatOfTheGiven
@thatOfTheGiven 5 жыл бұрын
Beyond absolutely hatting BB series, your not wrong. Side note, if BB-8 would I don't know, get shredded in the next movie, I would rate it 10 out of 10.
@ilikepigeons6101
@ilikepigeons6101 5 жыл бұрын
OMG I never noticed how r2 goes up stairs in the movies!
@elyezeradler7368
@elyezeradler7368 5 жыл бұрын
The gonk droid is superior to both.
@maxwaspace5348
@maxwaspace5348 4 жыл бұрын
Those droids have a completely different niche
@michaeloquendo11
@michaeloquendo11 5 жыл бұрын
Somehow, you just had me crying when you displayed you’re take on BB-8’s potential flight mode there. I find myself now really hyped to see BB-8 develop across this franchise like R2-D2 did. Great video 👍
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 4 жыл бұрын
BB-8 is also almost 50 years more advanced when it comes to special effects, which is probably the reason. R2-D2 was made with the technology of the 70s and had not CGI to help it nor was robot technology very advanced back then. He was played by an actual person, Kenny Baker so they had to make a costume he could fit into and they then also had a remote controlled version which drove on 3 wheels. BB-8 however didn't have to fit anyone inside because by the time shooting for The Force Awakens started real world robot technology had advanced significantly, we had gone for them purely being in sci-fi to them being a very real thing. BB-8 is still mostly a practical prop but alongside that they also had the assistance of massive leaps in special effects and especially CGI in order to round off the edges. And he was probably designed like this in order to solve many of the problems that came with shooting with R2-D2, BB-8 as a robot is obviously just more flexible and they needed that for a more modern movie.
@Hi-zx4ml
@Hi-zx4ml 4 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry BB-8, but I will never pick you over R2-D2
@SilverScarletSpider
@SilverScarletSpider 3 жыл бұрын
You can’t judge value based off speculation! If he’s not shown going up stairs, then you can’t just assume “yeah he’s better at it”. That’s just you using biased headcanons.
@omarbaba9892
@omarbaba9892 2 жыл бұрын
Are you deaf he said it’s speculation
@FactsNReason
@FactsNReason 4 жыл бұрын
Dude - nothing can replace R2’s wit, charm, loyalty, bravery, and just ‘da man’!! .... R2 all the way!!!
@Wolfsbane1100
@Wolfsbane1100 4 жыл бұрын
I realize this is a very, very old video at this point. BUT. For BB series droids you have to entirely restructure the way that ships are built. No longer are there terminals at waist height for astromechs, now you have to have them at near foot-level, which means that mechanics or computer specialists working without BB units have to get on their hands and knees, or potentially even lay down, to install dataspikes, repair units, and upgrading devices manually. Also, BB series droids simply cannot use older models of starships, or even new models that don't account for them. If every access terminal and charging port in your ship is at waist height, you can't buy a BB unit. Not without refitting everything.
@AshGreen359
@AshGreen359 6 жыл бұрын
Screw that, R2 will always be #1 "No need to listen to me, I'll just be back here fixing the hyperdrive and saving all your asses"
@AMPMASTER10
@AMPMASTER10 4 жыл бұрын
I still disagree each tool pod is supposed to have a different set of tools while R2 has all his in one place. BB needs to reorientate to get a different tool. R2 can reach high and low stuff with ease. BB needs grappling hooks which combined with said reorientation would suck. To sum it up, BB is smaller more compact, has better field of view has conquered stairs, but would take twice as long on complicated repair jobs that requires more then one tool. WHICH IS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR ASTROMECHS. On a spaceship there is probably very little need for stairs while stairs are primarily found on planets.
@KuraIthys
@KuraIthys 6 жыл бұрын
My main concern with the BB series is... What the hell is holding their head in place!? Also, since the entire surface of the sphere not only has all the tool hatches, but also is a potential contact point with the ground used for locomotion, any mechanical problems with the tools, hatches, or just the surface of that sphere hinders the droid's mobility. Which is to say, any damage at all to nearly any part of a BB unit will potentially cripple their ability to move. On the other hand, an R2 unit's legs are innately more vulnerable, so perhaps that's a moot point in the end.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 5 жыл бұрын
"Working" BB-8 replicas typically use magnets to couple the two parts. Malfunctioning/damaged parts always diminish operating capacity. Many machines are designed to somehow mitigate or compensate for this, to fallback on some sort of secondary mode, or to rely on backup/redundant functions. No machine could ever be absolutely "perfect" - every droid would have limits and flaws. But BB-8 does appear to be very cleverly engineered, it probably has some self-repair capabilities (and it might even be able to repair or modify its internal components without even opening any panels). And it's an astromech (designed to generally sits in a socket or wander through tubes/corridors) - not a battledroid (designed to get attacked, abused, and shot at) - so built-in tradeoffs and failsafes for every improbable contingency aren't really needed, an astromech can reasonably be expected to signal for help if it has broken mobility.
@Tracer_Krieg
@Tracer_Krieg 6 жыл бұрын
I disagree. The BB unit isn't really the best evolution of the Astromech. The best evolution, in my opinion, would be a droid capable of anti-gravitational hovering (for despite his supposed mobility, BB-8 in reality would struggle to move through rough terrain due to his body not being treaded). I point to B.O.B. and V.I.N.CENT from the movie the Black Hole as visually representation. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l5uphqWWqLzDqoE.html
@shionyorigami666
@shionyorigami666 6 жыл бұрын
Jacob Sailer The Q7 series astromech actually did this, so did the IT-0 interrogator though that one wasn't an astromech.
@anzaca1
@anzaca1 6 жыл бұрын
So, like the ID-10 than Iden Versio has? We've seen that it can function as an astromech.
@pwnmeisterage
@pwnmeisterage 5 жыл бұрын
Star Wars "repulsorlift" (antigrav) technology seems to be common and cheap enough that even poor farmers, junk dealers, and children on Tattooine could own it. It's used in all sorts of Imperial droids and vehicles and starships and even a floating city. But it must have some sort of drawback if other (inferior) technologies are still so widely used. Maybe high power consumption, maybe special maintenance, maybe limited lifespan, maybe exotic fueling requirements, maybe it just doesn't function in certain environments (like in space away from a planet's surface gravity).
@blonded0532
@blonded0532 6 жыл бұрын
Some pretty amazing modeling and animation on his part
@jestawell
@jestawell 2 жыл бұрын
you forgot to factor in the purpose of these droids, while in the films they mainly just hang around with the heroes, thats not what they were designed for, For applying force on a object R2D2 is far superior given his two legs and a fairly wide base, its easy to imagine him turning some kind of space wrench, but for BB8 It would be close to impossible for It to get the traction needed for apply signifanct force while repiaring a ship
@robomaster5274
@robomaster5274 6 жыл бұрын
Bb’s head is held by magnets and can be thrown down very easily which partially disables the droid, especially during flight in the x-wing. Also if R2 would get shot in the body he could escape because only small part of him is used for movement while Bb’s main part is his ball which will immobilize him if it gets damaged.
@eeveeofalltrades4780
@eeveeofalltrades4780 2 жыл бұрын
BB units are probably designed to go out onto the field rather than stay in the ship, and despite R2 units being able to do that too, mobility isn't their primary function. BB units seem to be made to accompany their owner to the field during a mission and perform more minor repairs if needed, evidenced by the simplicity and reduced mobility of their tools when compared to R2 units.
@mechanwhal6590
@mechanwhal6590 2 жыл бұрын
Cute as BB is, he can never replace Artoo. No matter how desperately Disney wants him to.
@jaroto12
@jaroto12 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact (if im remembering correctly) the bb droids were originally designed to be like robotic pets
@NCC-nk1tm
@NCC-nk1tm 7 ай бұрын
As much as I've grown tired of Disney Star Wars, BB-8 is still a pretty cool character to me. He's the perfect evolution of R2 like you said, but he also fulfills the same role as R2 in being a technical marvel on screen. Just as people were blown away by R2 and his effortless charm in 1977, so too were people amazed by BB-8 in 2016. I think it's a pretty cool parallel.
@TheZXKUQYB
@TheZXKUQYB 11 ай бұрын
Being small, you favor portability vs flexibility. R2 stays cleaner because BB rolls in everything. R2 has tools, power, and flexibility on its side. E.g small computer cases can't compete with large cases. You can upgrade couple ways vs 10k ways, respectively.
@user-xr6wm9rv2h
@user-xr6wm9rv2h Ай бұрын
R2d2 is the only reason why any of the main characters are alive, including darth vader.
@mitz5398
@mitz5398 2 жыл бұрын
I have watched the prequels and the original trilogy so much so that I can now speak fluent R2
@eggmon3813
@eggmon3813 6 жыл бұрын
man I never thought a trash can would evolve into a soccer ball.
@TubeTAG
@TubeTAG 3 жыл бұрын
So I know this is ancient but I do have a couple points to add. I would not argue the majority of the points you bring up in the video, particularly about its mobility and stability. They're all legitimate and well reasoned. I am primarily looking at this from the point of view of an Astromech droid designed to support starfighters, which the R2 series was designed to do, and not as a general ship maintenance droid. In addition, I am making the assumption that similar levels of technology are in use. An R2 unit designed for the same level of technology as BB-8, which is strongly suggested to be a more *advanced* droid. Making a comparison of older droids to newer droids is unfair and not valuable in my opinion. The obvious thing that the R-series has over the BB-series, is size. Once you're locked into the ship, the mobility is of limited importance. The R-series would simply have access to more tools, more space for computer equipment and more room for a powerful generator. The R-series is shown having a multitude of different tools and equipment including manipulator arms, cutting and welding tools, data access tools and even power transfer capability. In the heat of combat, one of these tools might make the difference between restoring a critical system or not, so having access to a greater number of specialized tools is valuable. From the point of view of computer equipment, I would imagine the BB-series and the R-series would have comparable processing and bandwidth. However, with its greater size, the R-series would likely have room for additional onboard memory to store additional star charts, astrogation logs, combat data, etc. That being said, this is probably the weakest point of my arguments, as both would probably have plenty of room to spare to handle all of their expected duties. The last, and least "canon" is the idea that I have a hard time imagining a BB-series being able to power an X-Wing's systems for in hanger operations. One of the core purposes of an astromech droid (described most commonly in the X-Wing series of the Legends canon) is to assist mechanical crew in operation of the starfighter while *outside* of combat. To whit, the R-series was designed with a generator powerful enough to run the X-Wing's repulsors for hangar maneuvers while the fusion engines are offline. Running up the powerful fusion engines every time you needed to move an X-Wing from work pad to hangar bay was described as potentially hazardous and at the very least, inefficient. Such a generator would be necessary to create thrust enough to carry the droid in the scenes where it flies (as silly as that idea is to me.) While it's certainly *feasible* that the BB-series could do all of the above, I find it hard to believe that it could do *all* of the same things *at the same time* without being significantly more expensive or more advanced. Even if we just look at the grapplers and the internal volume that must be taken up by the spindle and line, the BB-series seems like its making a number of design sacrifices to achieve the mobility described. Ultimately my "issue" with BB-8, and a lot of the series after the original trilogy, is that it doesn't seem to be fit for purpose and kills so much of the gritty, lived in feel that the original Star Wars trilogy had.
@JaelaOrdo
@JaelaOrdo 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve always been torn between my love for BB-8 from a technological standpoint and my hatred for the design being made just to sell toys
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 3 жыл бұрын
I know not many people here read xkcd, but I feel like the laptop hamster ball toy he thought up is probably direct inspiration for it.
@louishackney8269
@louishackney8269 5 жыл бұрын
Ok bb8 may have the ability to look almost anywhere but... Does he have a jetpack to make him fly?
@waluigi3807
@waluigi3807 4 жыл бұрын
Me seeing the title like: Erm, ECSUSE ME?
@jbsulls
@jbsulls 3 жыл бұрын
BB-8 can't smuggle a lightsaber.
@michaelfixedsys7463
@michaelfixedsys7463 Жыл бұрын
The BB series is a massive improvement in stability and reliability, but the R series seems to be more robust, and seems to be outfitted with a wider array of tools. Of course, when talking about space-ship repair robots, inertial mass is a consideration. In low or zero gravity situations, you'll want the robot to remain stable relative to the ship. R series droids have magnetic feet capable of keeping themselves stable on a moving ship. BB series droids have dinky little Spider-Man grabblinghooks. For comparison, imagine you have to fuel up your car while it's moving. You can either lean out the window or dangle behind the car on rollerblades while tied to it.
@callumwearne7870
@callumwearne7870 6 жыл бұрын
Your forgetting the fact that R2 actually has rockets built in which makes mobility not a problem, plus a faser array. Making it far superior to BB8, It can essentially turn into a weaponised flying drone if it has to. Refer to the prequels
@GreenStuffConsumer
@GreenStuffConsumer 3 жыл бұрын
WHY DOES EVERYONE FORGET THE JET THRUSTERS? (EDIT) forgot to mentions Star Wars the Clone Wars animated tv series, season 5 episode 10: R2 receives improved "rocket boosters" which also come with a highly accurate control/navigation system
@darthxing7289
@darthxing7289 4 жыл бұрын
The R2 unit line is the most effective unit when it comes down do the duties of an Astromech bb8 is completely unqualified to be attached to most Fighters that would go into dog fights and requiring a real Astromech to do basic repairs where a bb-8 could not it did not even fix an X-Wing loose wire issue it just simply shot its head into the wiring short-circuiting its own systems and possibly did irreparable damage to itself as well as the ship The R2 unit it would make a simple repair another advantage and R2 unit have its ability to extend its head yes in Canon the Arts unit can extend its head revealing much of the underbelly and mechanical tools that would be required to route to basic repairs in the more sensitive areas near the cockpit as well as connect to the navicomputer or oftenly act as an the central Nava computer when there is no never computer available or it's been damaged during a battle besides all that an R2 unit can be modified and equipped for hundreds of other purposes that go beyond that of a simple repair drone since R2 units are used in different variations of ways between being a drink mixer a messenger to even being a pilot there are no limits to what a R2 unit could do if you do the appropriate modifications and upgrades which is really available anywhere you just need to go to a junk world and fly all the necessary parts to do whatever modification A bb-8 is too small and divide very little modifications opportunities perhaps you could switch out its head for something more advanced or provide a little bit of jet packs but that's all you could do it has no Central Access to an hyperspace navican computer when it's attached to a ship and given on it compact size the Central Computer probably wouldn't even be able to handle the massive amount of calculations that would be required Jamaica jump into hyperspace
@mushroomman653
@mushroomman653 5 жыл бұрын
Bb8 might not be able to latch onto sides of ships for repair like R2
@djkphop2610
@djkphop2610 3 жыл бұрын
*I LOVE R2 MORE THAN AN ADORABLE ORANGE ROBOT WITH FEELINGS* *HE IS DA BEST!!*
@maryjames8433
@maryjames8433 4 жыл бұрын
R2 D2 is a grizzled, aging veteran of the clone wars. BB-8 is the rookie starting to come into his own. He has only begun his journey into maturity.
@darthxing7289
@darthxing7289 4 жыл бұрын
Also for everyone who watches his video and sees my comment bb-8 Astromech it's a simple bug repair Droid given its small size is able to fit in corridors or small passageways doing small and minor repairs in subsystems only
@Dismythed
@Dismythed 6 жыл бұрын
While the video was playing, I envisioned R2 coming up to BB-8 and extending one of his arms and flipping BB's head off his ball and it landing upside down on the ground with its little magnetic wheels spinning as the head settles motionless. Then R2 laughs with beeps and static that sounds like snorting and goes away whistling.
@dreadnought-ai
@dreadnought-ai 6 жыл бұрын
People going to kill me for this, i've completely succumbed to BB's adorability, and the way it uses its tools (E.g. Grapple hooks and the "thumbs up") (1:42) (2:35) (3:00) and it's just increased 200% If I lived in the Star Wars universe, I would have to go for a BB (though if I could, I would have both! They could cover for each other's shortcomings haha)
@animallbros.8767
@animallbros.8767 6 жыл бұрын
Where do you get your 3D models from?
@Papanza295
@Papanza295 5 ай бұрын
Sure, the rolling is a neat mode of movement, but as a result they are literally running every tool hatch on their body through Sand, mud, water, and whatever other terrain they happen to be rolling through. Another potential issue with the BB units is that because they have tools on the 6 different sides, The issue arises where they may come up to a a port, and the tool the need is on the wrong side of their body. My final issue is that It’s unable to use any tools on its body while it’s in motion.
@hadrienburnand6156
@hadrienburnand6156 4 жыл бұрын
But is BB8 tall enough to access the computer connections ports that R2 uses (and which seem to have been the standard interface for droids 30 years ago) ?
@dafoex
@dafoex 3 жыл бұрын
The BB series does have a canonical failure mode that I personally think is more crippling than falling over: their heads can fall off. That said, I don't think the R series' locomotion method is inferior, since the system was designed for space ships and not planets. We actually see R2-D2 and others gripping to the exterior surface of ships to perform repairs, and I think this is the intended environment of operation for the R series. The BB series was most likely developed to be appealing to the trending market of droid owners that wanted a travelling companion just as much as a mechanic and flight computer.
@cliffthelightning
@cliffthelightning 2 жыл бұрын
The only Star Wars things i collect are Astromechs, its weird how something 45 years old still looks fresh and not cheesy design wise.
@cellphonereviews7541
@cellphonereviews7541 11 ай бұрын
Watching someone explain why bb-8 is better is like someone trying to explain why a three wheel motorcycle is better. You kind of missed the point.
@SkeleGem
@SkeleGem 6 жыл бұрын
It may be an improvement from a technical standpoint, but not from a character standpoint. BB8 is mostly there to provide cuteness for the audience and drop off the mcguffin in the first film. He’s barely even used outside of those situations, whereas R2 had several purposes in the films. He could mess with tech, provide comedic banter with 3PO, store data and objects (such as Luke’s Saber), and plenty more. He was a key part in many of the plans the Rebels has and could always find a way to be of some use. He even holds plenty of Data all the way back from the Clone Wars era (maybe even farther back). He and 3PO have been featured in all three sagas since the first movie and have built up so much character and personality that it’s ridiculous. (Edit): got rid of the joke I stole, and I’m not even sure if most of this info is even right. Like, didn’t R2 and 3PO get their data whipped at the end of episode 3? Not to mention I was a little harsh on BB8. The thing’s cute, he’s done a good bit, and he’s a fun enough character. Comparing him to a character like R2 really wasn’t fair of me
@minegaming4526
@minegaming4526 3 жыл бұрын
R2 can serve drinks. Can BB8 do that? (⌐■_■) real original
@SkeleGem
@SkeleGem 3 жыл бұрын
@@minegaming4526 Yeah... this old comment of mine from two years ago stole a joke, and that was pretty cringe of me. On the plus side, at least this shitty joke stealing comment of mine didn’t get any likes
@breotan
@breotan 6 жыл бұрын
BB-8 should be able to travel on water, assuming his sphere is hollow and air-tight. R2-D2 has been shown to be able to move in water but not on top. R2-D2 might have a better stealth/spying role given his periscope attachment in the dome. We've no info on any similar attachment BB-8 might have.
@TheJoker-qo4fg
@TheJoker-qo4fg 6 жыл бұрын
Well, R2 should be able to use jetpack to fly up and down the stairs, also it has got more gadgets (look when he frees Anakin and Obi Wan on Gerivous's ship)
@psammiad
@psammiad 3 жыл бұрын
Big disadvantage: being able to have your head knocked off. This happens several times in canon where BB units lose their head.
@Vol-Tear
@Vol-Tear 5 жыл бұрын
with star fighters like the X-wing an R2 unit is quite large and cannot access most of its tools at the front instead they have to rely on tools that it can use in its head to fix things a BB unit can access all tools at all time whilst in the ship and is smaller so can actually get in there and fix problems, and because of it being smaller it is logical to assume that it is lighter and less of a drag on a ship, an A wing is too small for an R2 unit to fit but i am willing to bet a BB unit could fit in an a wing quite snugly and provide assistance. something that was shown in the star wars shorts animations was that BB-8s head can pop off and it wont hurt it, and it is still online and can control its body to pick its own head up and put it back on an Rd cannot however one downside i can see is it must roll on its body that is metal and unless it has some sort of gripping agent BB-8 should be more pron to slipping and wheel spin (well ball spin) / running on the spot, and does BB-8 also have a magnetic system that lets it cling to the sides of a ship in 0-g? will it simultaneously doesn't screw with its circuits by putting a magnet to its head ? also the BB units grapples could give it a sort of advanced mobility in the same way as spiderman so would jets be needed?
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