Really cool how you can think " Richard and David having a conversation would be dope" then search it, and there it is.

What an amazing panel of people - feels more like I'm at a Jedi Council

Richard Dawkins and David Attenborough together is overwhelming.

Can't recall the last time I watched a civilized and informative discussion online. These are all special people.

This possibly could be the most prestigious pannel discussion ever happened.❤️ Love and respect from India 🙏

Towards the end of the debate I became more optimistic about our plight. Then I saw it was made in 2005 & realised we're in an even more worse state now than we were then, which only goes to show, we will only change things when it is far too late!

"there are people of goodwill and altruism in the world, and there are people in important offices running the world, and the two don´t necessarily coincide" - oh yes.

Richard Dawkins, David Attenborough and Jane Goodall. What a line-up!

When you listen to these four wonderful people, what they’ve done, are doing and hope to do, and then compare them to the people all over the globe that hold the political power, it really is very disturbing,, and probably the most disturbing thing of all is, that we elected them into that position of power............

Dawkins and Attenborough 2 of my favourite personalities.

Many thanks to whoever uploaded this. Perhaps the four finest minds in the field all agreeing in far-sighted and thoughtful ways. Particularly inspiring is Jane Goodall's global youth education programme. She's right: the fate of our planet depends on the education and empowerment of our children - however we analyse and present the issues.

I am surprised his video hasn't had more views.... Thanks for the upload.

The problem isn't poverty... It's greed.

It's never going to happen, because we live in a culture where psychopaths prosper and end up in the most powerful positions. These people simply cannot see or care about even the future of their own children. It is a culture where successfulness is a determination of how wealthy and powerful, in the sense of controlling people and resources, is the highest position of respect. It is not capitalism itself that is the problem, but the rampant dog-eat-dog method, which is exactly the kind of environment where people who don't care about anything but their own gains thrive. We need to have more control over how powerful people can become, because it is always a bad thing to have one person running the show.

Richard Leakey is very well spoken and intelligent.

One of the most important discussions. I wish everyone on earth, especially those with power could observe this.

Very good discussion, as you would expect from this distinguished panel. I’m also very impressed with Dimbleby! His questions, input and interventions within this company show a knowledge and intelligence that surpassed my (already high) expectation! Unfortunately though discussions like these won’t make any difference to the outcome - as a species we are just too selfish, indifferent, uneducated, and destructive.

The level of wisdom, compassion and class is off the charts on that panel! Talking about living legends - all national treasures of not only the UK but to the whole world. All pioneers in the field of popular science, conservation and biology/zoology - the very first advocates and communicators in the field - through the magic of television their impact children and adults alike will endure far into the future. In fact I would argue that Goodall, Dawkins and Attenborough are single handedly responsible for taking subjects such as biology from previously being considered an somewhat complex, academic subject, reserved for only the well educated - to a popular subject that captivated so many people around the world, of all ages, getting people interested in science - despite how much of a bookworm one is. That’s the power of television - and they pretty much invested the nature documentaries we know today.

Jane Goodall makes an ultra valid point about the utter waste that is that military. Utter waste of money, people and resources.

Rest in peace, Richard Leakey. Wonderful man.

Love you tube - seeing while listening to these great minds is a unique and invaluable treasure.

This was an excellent collection of minds coming together to help solve our global issues. Great upload! Thanks!

Dawkins, Attenborough and Goodall in one panel.... Wow, all I can say is WOW!!!

This was great.

On a panel of immense credentials, Leakey stands out as being the only person who seems to actually understand the issues at hand. Was very impressed with him.

Would have liked to have seen Douglas Adams as the fifth member of that quartet..

See, this is how smart people have a debate, there's no yelling or calling each other retards, just professional, rational and progressive.

Forget religion and particularly fundamentalism. These people understand what matters. Thank you all. I hope a sufficient number of people listen and act on this to make a difference.

I studied Richard Leakey through human biology unit I took at university. He's the real deal on this topic.

We have not got rid of slavery. It has just taken many different forms such as economic slavery, poverty, ... Our selfish gene is and will remain unchanged.

Thank you very much for uploading, a get together of the world's greatest human minds.

Nothing about multinational businesses and their insatiable greed

So much wisedom in such few people.

What a treat. I hope they show this stuff at schools because it is vitally important they do.

Richard Leakey is a brilliant anthropologist and paleontologist who has dedicated his life to Africa in general, and Kenya in particular. He comes from a family sharing similar interests. Televised interviews seem quite rare; and I would like to see more. Thanks for a really great post. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Leakey

The very best talk I have ever heard. Those amazing people put forth all the problems and ideas that need to be absorbed by humanity. Then and only then can our future have some kind of outcome that all can live a good life. All life has value....all, not only selfish humans, but all life! We must change our attitudes from worshiping money, gods and entertainment to knowledge. Dr Goodall said it well, we need to find satisfaction with less stuff and use our brains more.

abandoning a economic model based on growth should be the first step...

Finally someone brings up the issue of over population! Cudos to David Attenborough. It's time we spoke about the elephant in the room, namely over population and all the related issues that comes with it. This is a wonderful panel of thinkers of our generation. We need more of this kind of gatherings.

We need social, economic and political reform. Greedy special interests exploit people and the environment to exhaustion.

Thanks for this upload 🙏🏼😇❤️

Thanks! Love this.

I think one of the main reasons this generation, and more so the next generation will make strives towards the calculated conversation of the world's ecosystems and environments, is because intellectualism is becoming more and more fashionable and popular. This is evident in the number of scientific/informative KZfaq channels, the type of movies we produce, and the sheer number of people who are now continuing on to College/University level education. It's filtered down into nearly every aspect of the media, and the list goes on and on. We are becoming more scientifically, reasonably minded, and the prospect of degrading our environments needlessly is becoming unseemly.

I think this is a contender for one of the most important videos on KZfaq. I also think it would be a good idea for everyone with a large number of subscribers to upload it to their own channels.

Great people, amazing discussion.

"The final aim of history is a crumbling field of ruins. Its final meaning is the sand blown through the eye-holes of human skulls." -- Ulrich Horstmann

Dude I agreed with everything Richard Leakey said. I'm not sure when this panel was held but the stuff he's saying people are starting to come around to today

Great discussion!

Brilliant debate!

A brilliant panel of people! Much truth spoken I think by all four people.

This is gold!!. Invigorating discussion.

Richard Leakey is so respectable that he is still giving his efforts after going through many terrible encounters.

Finally Richard Dawkins talking about something else than religion

oh lordy, I am actually starting to like as opposed to grudgingly respect The Dawkins

this needs more views!!! absolute realities here!

"An enlightened dictatorship!" - Sign me up for that nation!

Would be nice if they would indicate when this debate took place.

Dawkins is now one year older than 79 year-old Attenborough was at the time of this discussion (2005), and in the time passed since seemingly very little has been done on a major scale to address the grave global issues of environmental sustainability presented and addressed so intelligently by the remarkable panel. Are we as a species ever going to collectively wake up to the reality of the planet's fragile and finite state of resources we so callously exploit and reverse our destructive course of action?

This was posted a few years ago, but when was the actual programme aired?

Superb panel, does anyone know when this aired originally?

Why is the decommissioning cost never factored in nevermind the storage costs for 100 times longer than all recorded the records of our history. Nuclear power is not cheep.

damn! where did that hour go!

I saw Mrs. Leakey died, a chain of feelings multiplied. I had learned as a kid, what she and her husband did: they worked their lives for everyone, there beneath a tropic sun. Sweating knowledge from the ground; sharing all the finds they found. Pushing back the mystery, reconstructing history, proving what but cowards dare, pooh-pooh from their easy chair. I saw Mrs. Leakey died, I lay the paper down and cried.

Thank you denis for providing this program. So awestruck by the panel of personalities was almost blown away by the moment! Dare I pose the Question why do we have such crap leaders running the world. Bankers and clergy. One sells monetary slavery the other sells hope, well I tend not to go with the latter, you might as well chuck the all deck in the air and say something will clean up eventually. I'm a dower.Although I do struggle with Richard Dawkins observations at times. We're all slaves whether the price is right or not.On Cannibalism I'd like to see him trying to convince the poor African Albino that it was save to come out of hiding, and reassure the poor soul that he wasn't going to have his body parts rendered down, to add to some witches potion.Sure we would all like to be like Costa Rica. Me I'm proud to be associated with our military, they allow me to keep my head where it belongs, on my shoulders and not having to have some crazy man trying to hack it of because I refuse to acknowledge the flying teapot. Kind regards Richard.Sir David to what could one say but, you are a True Human being!, and Jane Goodall you gave the all show that wise feminine balance , and never have I forgot my wild life hero Richard Leakey.

Everybody here is brilliant.

Imagine how beautiful this world would be if these were our leaders.

The problem with these kind of personalities is that they are so specialized in what they do that it is difficult for them to make a real difference due to the lack of experience in the things that the poor or the basic person is going through for REAL...that other perplex side of the social matrix that is life these people lack from and understandably so, because to be able to really hold a firm a grasp of that you need a lifetime in itself and that is why their influence is limited and not of greatness...BUT it's always a pleasure to learn from what they know...ALWAYS! Cheers!

No matter what we do, if we don't stop overpopulation it can't make a difference.

a good example of a monetary value for preservation of nature is manta rays. there was a group of poaching fishermen who hunted them for a few hundred thousand dollars. but when they found out that conserving them would make them millions they started conserving them.

Nice to see these faces looking so relatively young again. Disheartening to think of how little has changed since this gathering.

As long as we live in economic systems that encourage greed things will never change the way they need to.

It is not purely a population problem, it is promoting and continuing lifestyles which are unsustainable. One particular country with 5% of the world's population devours 30% of the world's resources and consumes 24% of the world's energy and on a per capita basis produces just shy of 3 times more CO2 emissions than China. Continuing with an economic system based on consuming more resources next year than we do this year, on a planet with finite resources, only speeds up the rate at which resources are depleted is obviously in direct opposition to a sustainable future for humanity. The unpalatable truth is that it is OECD countries lifestyles which are the greatest perpetrators of planetary degradation. It is not the fault of African or Indian increasing populations, who if you care to research it, consume per capita less resources and produce less pollution Decreasing economic poverty when people will undoubtedly buy and consume even more is not going to reduce the problem. Headlines promote the view that China is the world's largest polluter, yet the amount of pollution generated by China which is produced solely as a result as it becoming the world's workshop is never subtracted. It is we in the West who must change their lifestyles not subsistence farmers. The single most voracious predator is not the human race as a whole but global free market capitalism.

There's more understanding of Biology in those four people alone than a good portion of the population in Southern dixie line America just think about that for a second...

These auditors are exceptional. Time to pay attention. Why, They have done their due diligence. They have committed their life to our cause....save our earth.

Interesting how they say we should not only play lip service yet these panel members are not vegan as far as I know?

One of the comments by Dawkins reminded me of something Lyall Watson said in "The Lifetide." He suggested that humans had become something akin to executives in the corporate DNA, since the dawn of the nuclear age, and could direct the advance of evolution. He also remarked that given the our recklessness he wondered if within the DNA might there be a failsafe before we blew ourselves to bits. It was perhaps 1976 when that book was released.

Vermicomposting is a terrific way to get rid of your garbage! Saving the planet can be fun and easy. Stay positive :)

So carefully thought out are the arguments of all the guests. Can you imagine creationists ever having such a conversation. They couldn't even begin since they believe we "own" the animals according to their mythical "god". It's so sad. We should never believe like that. We are the keepers of the planet by virtue of our evolution.

Love how it's introduced as the "selfish green"

44:10 once again the spritely David Attenborough nails it again.....climate change...I fully support what he says, there will be a tipping point, a trigger point, a temperature point at which the system irreversibly tends toward a new set of dynamic conditions that will spell out the new environmental norm, ice all gone, savage wind and dust storms etc etc, it's impossible to say what these new conditions will be like and where they will materialize, but you can bet with all that extra heat energy in the global system weather will be more extreme in whatever direction it takes..

All raised the issue of over-population but none could say what needed to be said - population growth has stopped (or even reversed) in most of the world - China, Japan, Russia, Europe, Korea, the New World, Australia, etc. Africa, the Mideast and India will account for over 90% of future population growth. If we are to stop growth we should start there. This affects everything else - loss of habitat for food production, poverty, ignorance, autocratic institutions, lack of scientific knowledge, etc. But again, these are hallmarks of those very areas still rapidly growing.

Always a pleasure to see Dr. Leakey speak.

Which year was this at Wildscreen?

You can tell the discussion dates back to 2005 by hearing that Richard Leakey refers to nuclear energy as being _clean_ energy. I was quite surprised ...

They be giants. Watched this in Aug. 2017, desperate for a much-needed voice of reason. It worked! Trump, too, shall pass.

I loved the four of them ...

The innate will to survive will keep us selfish, it takes a LOVE greater than that we have for ourselves to put anything in front of us....much like that of a mother or father. This kind of love is rare

When I see old politicians speak, and they usually are old people, they sound old and obsolete. They don't look like that's their place and definitely their arguments are poor. They sound like impostors, outdated ideas. But, when I hear scientists, well... it's completely different. Age is irrelevant. It's a pleasure to my ears, it makes me think about important things, feeds my skepticism. Is the world getting better because of politicians? There's is something deeply wrong and it's going on for to long. Something must be done.

What year was this video actually made??

not a single word about reduction in animal agriculture as a good way of reducing our impact.... which is insane given that animal agriculture is the #1 reason for pollution, species extinction, and destruction of natural habitats :(

I really like this video, video, video

all these panelists seem to have hilariously simple "solutions" to all the world's biggest problems, I wonder how often they think about the cost of what their enacted solutions would entail?

Earth was here long before human beings walked the planet, and it will be here long after we’ve gone. Pointless debate really.

Let us put each poacher in a separate room with one elephant, give neither of them weapons...and see what happens.

The core of this discussion is articulated by Jane Goodall at around 15:30 - to paraphrase her; '...'if there was one species whose disappearance would benefit all future life on earth it would be us. There is no question about that.'' This central point has been quite apparent for quite some time now.

WE IN EUROPE AND THE WEST AND IN ALMOST ALL MODERN CIVILISED COUNTRIESHAVE STOPPED OVERPOPULATING .....THE OTHER BACKWARD COUNTRIES MUST STOP OVERPOPULATING OUR BEAUTIFUL WORLD

The problem is the monetary system

I would like our schools could have these kind of teachers. I would bet our classes would be much more productive! Unfortunately our reality is completely different.

Poverty is having not enough resources for the population. Everyone focuses on creating more resources. How about reducing the number of people. If you have population growth, it will quickly soak up any increased resources. Further, creating resources always damages the environment.

What an amazing planet this would be if everyone did just a little bit everyday. I spend all my time volunteering cleaning the City and helping animals and I am Vegan, for me, the planet and every living.

The Law Nam-myoho-renge-kyo represents the identity of what some scientists refer to as the ‘unified field of all consciousnesses’. In other words, it’s the essence of all of existence and non-existence, the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the true creator of everything that is, ever was and ever will be, right down to the minutest particles of dust, each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middle man’ to connect us to our state of enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves by tapping directly into it by way of self-produced sound vibration. On the subject of ‘Who or What Is God?’, when we compare the concept of ‘God’, as a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to Nichiren’s teachings, the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people call ‘God’ is our enlightenment, which exists nowhere else but within us. When the disciples asked Jesus where the Kingdom of God is, didn’t he tell them that it was within them? Some say that ‘God’ is an entity that can never be seen. I think that the vast amount of information that is constantly being conveyed via electromagnetic waves gives us proof of how an invisible state of ‘God’ could actually exist. It’s widely known that certain data being relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects, including instant global awareness of something or mass emotional reaction. As well as many other things, it’s also common knowledge that these waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to even enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars. However, none of this is possible without a receiver to decode the information that is being transmitted. Without the receiver, the information would remain impotent. In a very similar way, it’s important for us to have our ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our life, all other life and what we and all else that exists truly is. Chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach into the core of our enlightenment and switch it on. That’s because the sound vibration of ‘myoho-renge-kyo’ represents the combination of the three major laws that underlie all existence. ‘Myoho’ represents the Law of latency and manifestation (Nature), and consists of two alternating states. One state of ‘myo’ is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists. This includes our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them, our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re not being expressed, our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma, and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ‘ho’, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes obvious to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory, whenever we experience or express our emotions, or whenever a good or bad effect manifests from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it simply means that it has come out of the state of ‘myo’ (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ‘ho’ (manifestation). It’s simply the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing something. The second law, ‘renge’, governs and controls the functions of ‘myoho’, ‘ren’ meaning cause and ‘ge’ meaning effect. The two laws of ‘myoho’ and ‘renge’, both functions together simultaneously, as well as underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination, ‘kyo’, is what allows the law ‘myoho’ to be able to integrate with the law ‘renge’. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects together all Life and matter, as well as the past, present and future. It is often termed the Universal Law of Communication. Perhaps it could even be compared to the ‘string theory’ that some scientists now suspect exists. Just as our body cells, thoughts, feelings and all else are constantly fluctuating within us, everything in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux, in accordance with these three laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of ‘myo’ and ‘ho’ in a single moment than it would ever be possible for us to calculate or describe. And it doesn't matter how big or small, important or trivial that anything may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now, or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of 'myoho-renge-kyo'. These three laws are also the basis of the four fundamental forces and if they didn't function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. Simply put, all forms of existence, including the seasons, day and night, birth, death and so on, are all moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation, rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two universal states of ‘myo’ and ‘ho’ in absolute accordance with ‘renge’ and by way of ‘kyo’. Even stars are dying and being reborn in accordance with the workings of what the combination ‘myoho-renge-kyo’ represents. ‘Nam’, on the other hand, is a password or a key; it allows us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘myoho-renge-kyo’. On a more personal basis, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives from moment to moment, as well in our environment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is turning, and rhythmically chanting Nam-myoho-renge-kyo for a minimum of ten minutes daily, anyone can experience actual proof of its positive effects in their life. In so doing, we can pierce through even the thickest layers of our karma and activate our Buddha Nature (enlightened state). We’re then able to bring forth the wisdom needed to challenge, overcome and change our negative circumstances into positive ones. It brings forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that is preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we truly are, regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexual preference. We are also able to see and understand our circumstances and environment more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. Actual proof soon becomes apparent to anyone who chants the words Nam-myoho-renge-kyo on a regular daily basis. Everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect, so the strength of the result from chanting depends on dedication, sincerity and determination. To explain it more simply, the difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, or producing a song and so on.