Good to hear

How about traffic info and routing?

@@andriiturchenko7740 no traffic info on the app

What’s the unit do if I don’t set a destination?

@@BowserFilm the same as any other gps? Nothing?

Nice, we've probably passed each other several times without knowing!

It‘s just another display for your phone ... so no difference at all.

Cheers Del, and thanks for the feedback

Yes thats a good point

Thanks, yes its ideal for people who don't have a lot of space, or who don't want to clutter up their bars

I'm pretty sure Google maps is used as the base for this device.

Yep it definitely takes a little bit of adjustment

Sounds like a good idea

but then you wouldnt be able to listen to music like on a Sena or Cardo

Thanks for sharing!

Its something a lot of people might like, it certainly look neater than other options.

We've finally had restrictions eased here in the UK this weel which allows recreational riding.

Indeed. I was hoping to do a long ride to show its full practicality, but the lockdown put an end to that!

If you miss a turning it just reroutes you. Yes rechargeable and about 30 hours from a full charge.

Cool, its a great little device.

Thanks, much appreciated

Its a point that a few people have raised. I didn't think £150 was too bad for a system that has all you need to mount it and get going. Plus its water and shock proof. You'd struggle to find a stand alone unit that does all that at the same price point. But I do take your point.

For what it is,I think the price is not worth it,you can buy a fully fledged decent smartphone for that price so nop

My Garmin Zumo cost over £400 5 years ago [don't know how much they are now] and it was the cheapest in the Garmin range, I should imagine that the TomTom units are a similar price to Garmin. Which fully fledged stand alone unit can you get for £150?

@@Frightningman I'm saying it's in the same ballpark. And it's £200 on manufacturer website. It's just too much for what it is (basically a smartphone app and a tiny screen). One can just as well use their smartphone directly. EDIT: TomTom Motorcycle Sat Nav Rider 50 is £276 on Amazon with options to get it for ~£200 from 3rd party sellers.

​@@sqward I was genuinely asking if you knew of a stand alone device for the same price as this - for someone else, I'm happy with the Garmin. The cheapest option on the website is £149 with free shipping, I've just looked. The TomTom rider 50 is £270 on Amazon with used ones from £208. Yes, I agree - you could use a smartphone but I thought you knew of a full featured unit for £150 and I was interested.

Yes thats what its all about. Some people are getting a bit 'heated' over it in the comments. For me its not a replacement for a map based GPS for serious touring etc, but as a non obtrusive device that can be called on for simple directions when needed its a brilliat piece of kit

Thanks, glad the review was helpful

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated

Thanks Buddy

I didn't think i'd get on with one, until I tried it. Its a neat little gizmo.

Thanks for that. Because the phone is on standby and not using the screen the battery lasts considerably longer than it would with a traditional nav app

@@mancavemoto starting at 100%, how long do you think you could have a route going before you're at half charge?

@@taylormitchell2119 I presume you are referring to the phone and not the device? Hours and hours, because all the device is doing is using the bluetooth and gps connections. Once the route is planned and started it doesn't need data either.

It’s a great solution for bikes like that, it’s discreet too

Views from the Man Cave That’s the point if you’ve got an adventure or touring bike then having a large screen sat nav wired to your handle bars is almost mandatory but on a retro even a phone looks out of place. This is a much neater solution. Great review keep up the good work.

@@jonbom2653 Cheers Jon

Thanks Trevor, you’ve hit the nail on the head with regards to this product. I’m hearing increasing numbers of reports of smart phones becoming damaged from the vibration of being mounted on a bike. I haven’t experienced it, but it does make me think twice. It’s not going to be for everyone, but its a clever piece of kit and is much easier to use and follow than i expected.

Yep, this is just a different option, its not going to work for everyone. Thanks

Ouch! where do you live?

Thanks, thats one of the points I was trying to cover in the video.

On a retro bike like mine a 5" screen is brash and gaudy.

Good idea

Yep, its not neccesarily a replacement for a full on sat nav, but it'll be all that a lot of people will want/need.

I killed two I phone 11 with vibration when mounted to mc. Was wondering if others had same issue.

@@Garagecouchofjohnnyyz Yes, killed two iPhone XR cameras. Both phones replaced by Apple and that's when I realised it was due to bike vibes. Kind of annoyed that Quadlock want £15 for a vibe damper, but I wouldn't trust mounting a pricey phone on a bike again now. Hence the Beeline!

Its a great system, and I think the Triumph endorsement will do a lot for sales

Same here, until i tried it.

The dot is a heads up for the direction of the next turn, and the arrow moves in that direction as you get close to the turning/junction. It very intuitive once you’ve used it for a little while

Thanks and Share away Steve!

No problem

Hi John, yes I regularly ride through Stambourne when I’m out for a bimble. I’m about the same distance from Finchingfield in the other direction. (Give or take a few miles)

@@mancavemoto great, I have ordered one of these and mentioned you and TMF in an email to them

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Thats fair enough, it is a small device, but thats one of its key points. I love my Tom Tom Rider 550 and I don't see this a replacement, but its a handy device for certain occasions. Its small enough to stick in your pocket when you go for a ride 'just in case'

Thanks Steve, it relies on the phone GPS, it doesn’t need a data feed and of course it doesn’t require the phones screen to be constantly on like a nav app would, so it puts a relatively minimal strain on the phones battery. But yes if the phone dies, so does your navigation

It comes with a little usb charging dock and once charged lasts about 30 hours. I just lock the phone as I would do normally and shove it in a pocket

yes it was on kickstarter i believe to get it off the ground. The biggest hurdle for people that ive seen in the comments is the price. I didn't think it was too bad as a complete 'out of the box' solution

Views from the Man Cave as an out of the box solution I think it’s fantastic. Just a personal opinion if they could get it to work without the necessity of being connected to your phone to work then it price tag would be a lot more tempting. Either way I’m still impressed with the concept of it

Thanks Rod, Glad it was helpful!

It is a little more than an external screen, as once the route is set it only relies on the phone for a gps signal. But the price does seem to be a common comment...

Thanks and good points. So, 1. I didn't say the Beeline was superior to a phone, its just different. One thing I was trying to get across in the review was that turn by turn can be just as effective as a map-based system. The lack of voice prompts is a negative, but as I mentioned a lot of people don't use comms systems. There is also starting to be some evidence particularly with the newer smartphones, that the vibration they get when mounted on a motorcycle could be damaging internal parts. I think some of the newer iPhones have had issues with the anti-vibration mechanisms? 2. This is true, but a big reason why nav apps chew the battery is because the display is constantly on, that seems to be the biggest draw on any device. The Beeline only requires the Bluetooth connection, and the phone is only utilising Bluetooth plus the GPS signal. This should give a significantly longer use time. Of course, you can always power the phone from a charging pack, or indeed as some of the new triumphs allow, you can place it under the seat to keep it charged. I had intended to go out for a day-long ride to see how long the phone lasted but wasn't able to due to the Coronavirus lockdown.

@@mancavemoto Thanks for the quick reply Tony Bluetooth is itself a significant battery drain on the phone battery, so even if the display is off, I'm guessing phone battery life probably won't be that great. So on any ride much longer than say an hour or so, it is very likely that phone charging on the go will be essential for using the Beeline. And once you have to do that, you may as well use the phone as a nav in the first place, and enjoy the potential additional benefits of a map and voice if you want it. However if vibes damage phones, which I hadn't heard, then that is a good reason not to use them I suppose. It is though very common to use phones as navs on bikes without problems. Apologies for being rather negative on the Beeline but I can't see much reason to prefer it over a phone as a nav, especially given the cost.

I can ride for a full day with the Beeline and a fully charged iPhone and after 9 hr's i still had over 60% charge. The drain is significantly less than when using the phone as the navigation unit.

@@gbrand42 That's very useful info, thanks. Far longer phone battery life than I would have guessed. But even so I can't see any advantage of the Beeline over using a phone as a nav, on the contrary there are several negative comparisons. In my case I have a Garmin nav charged from the bike. I also carry my phone in a tank bag and it too has a charge lead off the bike. Even if I didn't have the Garmin, I'd just use my phone as nav with a secure mount, because it offers so much more features than the Beeline. Anyway thanks to Tony for the review. I had heard elsewhere of the Beeline and it was very informative to see it in action, regardless of my opinion of the device.

Yep, if you just want straightforward directions it works a treat

Yes its a good solution for simple navigation. Some people are getting a bit pissy about it, making a comparison to a map based solution, but the point I was trying to make is exactly what you commented. Its easy to switch from bike to bike, and its a much lower profile. Thats good for people that don't want a massive device mounted on their classic or custom bike. It also means its quick and easy to fit and you can shove it in a pocket easily.

Cheers. It's a different device in real terms, but I kind of like the fact you can store your phone away and still have nav. The route planning is good, but you do have to manually set one on the app if you want something more interesting than a direct route. The curvy route option on Scenic is really good, and it has taken me on some fantastic journeys, without having to painstakingly plot it out on a device. It all depends on what you want the device to do. I'll still use my TomTom rider and I'll probably still use both Scenic and Rever, but if you want a no-frills dependable, simple and rugged nav system this is very good. Some people are getting a bit tetchy about it, but I never said its a replacement for map-based GPS. For me its easy to move from bike to bike, it works well and if I just need to get somewhere efficiently. Having said that you can always use the other apps to plot routes then just export it as a gpx file onto the Beeline? I've noticed that as smartphones progress they seem to be becoming a little more fragile (anti vibration mechanisms etc) maybe this is a good solution?

@@mancavemoto Tony - I appreciate the detailed response. I often enjoy getting (roughly) lost and discovering what some new road offers. But I've been looking at navs, apps, etc but found the comparison shopping very frustrating. As the Beeline can accept gpx files, combined w/Scenic, this might work well. My ride is a Ducati Monster 1200s and there isn't lots of room for stuff. The Beeline's mobility - for my KZfaq videos - is appealing too. Thanks again and I look forward to your next video. Stay safe. Cheers, Scott

Yes it comes with a usb cable in the box. It’s approx 30 hours of use from fully charged

Thanks and Enjoy!

Always good for a braap!

All you need once the route is set is the Bluetooth connection to the phone for the gps feed. No other data required!

Not as far as im aware, but i'm just starting to make an update video on al the changes since the last one, so i'll see if its an option. I have to say though that i don't think it is?

Thanks for the info. But in reality is this a problem? Most times the tunnel will have some sort of lighting, and if not you’re not going to miss a turning in the middle of it.

@@mancavemoto nope was just letting you know, as most people seem to be unaware the beeline has no darkness censor. In a long tunnel you prob wouldn’t have GPS anyway. :-) thank you.

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This will still 'reroute' you if you miss a turn, or you can set it to get you back onto the original route

Glad it helped

It did try it with a tinted visor and had no problem seeing the display

@@mancavemoto Good info. Thanks.

Thank you

I’ve mentioned it in a couple of videos, more so in my initial review kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pN-dgsyXuJPYmqM.html, but yes once you’ve set your route underway, just close down your phone and put it in your pocket/bag. The phone screen doesn’t stay on, which is why using the beeline doesn’t run your phone battery down quickly

Thats a great idea, sadly however I have zero influence with the manufacturer.

@@mancavemoto Thanks for responding - you may have zero influence but a suggestion coming from you with a following of ±20k people will certainly carry more weight than coming from me??

Ha yes I suppose if you look at it like that!

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Excellent, enjoy!

To be honest, it doesnt take any more looking down than you would do to the speedo

Hi Frank, time for glasses? 😉 Hope you and the family are keeping safe and well

Cheers

No voice prompts, its just a visual marker only

I have to disagree. As I demonstrated in the video, it only takes a quick glance to see what the next instruction is. The directions are very accurate as you have a measured countdown to the junction/turning. Very rarely are you going to come across a scenario where turnings are so close to each other that its hard to determine. Certainly not a disaster on a motorcycle. Thats why I always road test these products for a while, as opposed to just guessing

Views from the Man Cave when I’m exactly in the center of the cross it say that I’m at 25 meters from it, for me it was impossibile to drive in a city. It’s ok for a bicycle because it go slower then a motorcycle

Yes, you can and now you can export your ride as a .gpx file

I've not had any problems with them so far

Haha i get that a lot. If you just want a simple, straighforward, compact and easy to fit solution for directions, I think its great

It would certainly work, but i see it more as a direct to destination type device, although of course you can pre plan the route. Personally I would probably use my tom tom 550 for touring, as it gives you a bit more information if you want to go ‘off piste’ and start exploring

No problem. You get a distance countdown to the exit as well as a turn off symbol on the device. The dots along the top show how far through your total journey you are.

But the countdown is completly off, you can use it riding in a motorway but not in a city...

Nice solution. The point of the beeline however is to avoid mounting your phone on the handlebars.

It is nice to know that there are different options depending on your needs and budget. Nice piece, very esthetically designed. Thank you for all you do. I have watched several of your videos and I've been able to do many upgrades to my Street Cup. Cheers!

Exactly and thank you Andy, much appreciated.

A good question, I dont see why not?

You're welcome

Thanks, I have the standard version and it seems suitably robust

No problem

You may have been looking at the Bicycle navigation system? It'll give you a notification of the exit approaching with a symbol and a countdown yardage.

@@mancavemoto Thanks! Unfortunately they're sold out of plastic model so I'll have to spring for metal if I want a unit in time for trip. Motorcycle phone mounts destroyed my iPhone camera!

Yep its a device as an alternative, not necessarily a replacement. Some people have been a bit ‘put out’ by this video and haven’t quite grasped the concept. The best sat nav system is the one that works for you as a rider. I haven’t used google maps a lot (because ive had alternatives) but i know its really useful. Thanks for watching and offering some feedback

The range is far enough for that and yes you can choose metric or imperial measurements

@@mancavemoto thanks. Can it be used as a regular speedo too?

It does nothing, being a turn by turn system it needs a destination. If you don't want to follow a specific route you can use the compass mode, but it still needs a final destination

I does yes, once you’ve planned a route you can press the buttons on the side for various options, one of which is the speed. But you can’t show the nav and the speed at the same time

@@mancavemoto Thank you.

Cheers!

Yes you can select the unit of measurement

No, once you’ve calculated the route all it takes as a feed from the phone is the gps signal

Once the route is planned, the beeline just needs a gps signal from the Phone. So if the phone battery dies it'll lose that signal

@@mancavemoto a useful answer. Thank you. I will probably get a wahoo bolt for my bicycle as it has its own gps.

Although it doesn't rely on data once the route has been input, as far as i'm aware it uses the phones gps via bluetooth to determine its location. In that case when the phone dies, so do the instructions.

Thanks and nice!

Yes it does, you have two options in Route mode. You can switch it to re-route, so if you miss a turn or there is a road block it will find a new route for you as you go. If you switch the re-route option off, its assumes you want to stick rigidly to the original route and will give you instructions to get back onto that route, which could involve a bit of ‘round and round’ action.

Many companies don't publish telephone numbers anymore, it usually means having to recruit someone to answer the calls. They do have a contact e-mail address and are available on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram

It's a nice piece of kit

@@mancavemoto Watched a few more reviews and think I'll get one when the lockdown is over. Thanks for highlighting it

Thanks for sharing, I don't know if voice prompts will come along?

Thanks, cool and you'll obviously appreciate what fantastic roads we have to ride around here

Thanks

Yes, once the route is set it only needs a gps feed from the phone

Thank you@@mancavemoto