Beethoven - Symphony No. 5 Op. 67 (on Period Instruments)

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9 жыл бұрын

Ludwig van Beethoven
Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 67
1. Allegro con brio 00:05
2. Andante con moto 06:23
3. Scherzo. Allegro 14:39
4. Allegro 19:09
Jos Van Immerseel
Anima Eterna

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@davidgo8874 4 жыл бұрын

Just discovered "historically informed performance". Now I can rediscover all of my favorite classical music. I am born again!

@MartyMusic777 8 жыл бұрын

It's great how different parts of the orchestra become so much more unique on period instruments. The winds stand out a lot more, and Beethoven's dynamic markings suddenly make perfect sense.

@mabel8179 8 жыл бұрын

+MartyHasNoLife Yes- I prefer period instruments by far!

@jduff59 3 жыл бұрын

warts and all - there's a good reason why instruments have changed, but I like too think it's more like being there in the old days on these. I reckon the horn parts are especially difficult without valves. I've never tried a natural horn, but as difficult as it must be, it's probably very satisying!

@MartyMusic777 2 жыл бұрын

@@jduff59 Oh yeah, accurately playing natural horn is no joke - but the contrast in color that you get with the stopped notes is cool to hear. Heck, there are even moments in Liszt's symphonic works when natural horn is preferable because he uses half-step bends that totally alter the color of the orchestration.

@bristolfashion4421 2 жыл бұрын

The wind instruments may stand out for the reason that the string section that Beethoven wrote for were much smaller in numbers when compared with a modern orchestra - maybe 9 players only - although I don't know exactly what the orchestration is for this performance. I understand that the room where it was first played is very small !

@rohanpuranik9690 5 жыл бұрын

In my observation, the most important achievement of orchestras made of period instruments is that the sound of the individual instruments is correctly balanced and the woodwind section is able to project itself much better and it does not get overpowered by the strings and the brass. Modern orchestras while playing Beethoven sound somewhat incomplete, because all we get to hear and remember are the strings. The woodwind section, especially the transverse flute sounds faded and irrelevant in modern orchestras, but in period instruments they provide that much needed contrast and hold themselves really well against the strings; you understand why Beethoven chose to insert them the way he did right away and the piece sounds fuller and more complete. Balanced, as all things should be.

@rohanpuranik9690 4 жыл бұрын

@Egg MCMUFFIN I agree with you.

@mirrors1 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect!

@DaDennyH 5 жыл бұрын

Wow! That period contrabassoon really gives an earthy buzzing sound on the attack.

@jaysparc 8 жыл бұрын

Classical era music is so much more interesting on period instruments. Beethoven wasn't a 19th century Russian!!

@sararonzoni7706 6 жыл бұрын

jay w I just love your comment!

@BeethovenIsGrumpyCat 6 жыл бұрын

The orchestra of the classical era was more a music band than an orchestra really.

@IsraelMedrano 6 жыл бұрын

That's because these guys were all-around bad ass musicians; they understood the instruments they had to work with very well and wrote music to bring out their strengths. This is what separates the good musicians from the legendary ones.

@andymilsten9096 4 жыл бұрын

Danny Yoo Well they were modern instruments at one time😂😂😂

@danielibanezgarcia 5 жыл бұрын

Finally someone who plays it without all those fermatas! This way the music becomes much stronger. I love it

@lucapianoguy 4 жыл бұрын

Yes! And at Beethoven’s tempo too.

@syxalite 4 жыл бұрын

What is a fermatas again?

@lucapianoguy 4 жыл бұрын

Alix Fiaux it’s a symbol written above a note which means the player can hold it for as long as they want.

@Marcelo-tz2hq 3 жыл бұрын

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@itdepends604 2 жыл бұрын

@@Marcelo-tz2hq is this a code or would I be wasting time trying to solve it.

@Reindeer911 4 жыл бұрын

I'm listening to this along side a production of Beethoven's 5th with modern instruments and a slightly slower tempo. Night and day difference! Done on period instruments at the correct tempo, and the music is so much brighter and uplifting.

6 жыл бұрын

From all the thousands of versions that i have heard of the symphony I finally found perfection for my ears in the minute 5:00!! The fidelity of sound its just fantastic, the colours, the atmosphere i wish i have a $100.000 sound system

@JohnPaquette 4 жыл бұрын

This is a GREAT performance! SMOKIN' from the start!

@saxoungrammaticus9132 9 жыл бұрын

Brilliant, keep uploading

@DariusSarrafi 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent performance and recording. Bravi tutti!

@danielfallmo6427 6 жыл бұрын

BELOW 30 MINS! CAN'T BELEIVE IT! IMPRESSING!

@-dimitris 2 жыл бұрын

I always thought that the fifth was a symphony without a real scherzo. Well, here it is finally.

@maazzafar2822 4 жыл бұрын

Dear musicians, Please consider playing the finale even faster and making an even stronger crescendo at its beginning. That said, this performance would have pleased the master. Thank you for a great performance!

@aeroncerezo8165 3 жыл бұрын

If he could hear it

@Discrimination_is_not_a_right 2 жыл бұрын

@@aeroncerezo8165 He wasn't quite deaf when it was first performed.

@Roadman3235 Жыл бұрын

The hand horn and natural trumpet and trombone

@tristanrush5526 6 жыл бұрын

I think it sounds amazing. I think it is a little too fast, and Ludwig may agree. It is a bit "bangy" and I think that is good, because that is how he tended to compose, and he would probably hound the conductor and musicians to play as such, in order for him to hear it. I think it sounds really cool.

@Kythos 6 жыл бұрын

Benjamin Zander would disagree. Watch his masterclass on conducting. He will point out that Beethoven would be watching his student conducting.

@sergiocabada2385 6 жыл бұрын

4:20 That bassoon

@georgekp9863 5 жыл бұрын

i didn't notice anything...

@Merken.Sideral 6 жыл бұрын

Debo admitir tener impresiones encontradas. Por un lado siempre he preferido las interpretaciones más lentas de obras clásicas -más aún de Beethoven-, sin embargo, los instrumentos de la época son verdaderamente reveladores e interesantes. ¿Qué evidencias existen de que el tempo usado en la época de Beethoven haya sido realmente este? Según he tenido siempre entendido, las indicaciones de tempo las consideramos más rápidas de lo que fueron antaño. Como fuese, sigue siendo interesante. El contrastar esta interpretación con la de, por ejemplo, Celibidache, es un ejercicio cuanto menos fascinante.

@sylvianosamia2839 6 жыл бұрын

The tempo sounds a bit too fast. LVB himself told while alive : "they play too fast, they play my music too fast"

@tristanrush5526 6 жыл бұрын

True. I still love the recording. But you are very right. I too hate when my compositions are played to quickly. "Take my tempo, and subtract 10 BPM" I say to musicians who play my music.

@simonemao3794 5 жыл бұрын

Beethoven's metronome is much faster. 108 each half note.

@ediccartman7252 5 жыл бұрын

Beethoven's metronom that wasn't made up yet.......:))) 5th symphony was written in 1808 ( 4 years before Beethoven saw metronom at the first time ). Though he was very pleased to see it ( as it's said ) ,I'm pretty sure he thought there was 1000s of those who could make smth. like this ( whereas Beethoven was the only one)....

@Quotenwagnerianer 4 жыл бұрын

@@ediccartman7252 But Beethoven did include Metronom markings for his symphonies for their second editions.

@ediccartman7252 4 жыл бұрын

@@Quotenwagnerianer not sure it was really him. At least I know that was Czerny who put metronome remarks in piano sonatas. Though he was among the first ones who saw metronome , it took 20-25 more years unless it started to get produced in quantities.And actually this isn't a thing you can set once and for all - today you hear it in this tempo , tomorrow it might be completely different.

@charitynoble1 7 ай бұрын

0:07

@mastinho6761 2 жыл бұрын

6:27

@lizzyregis 7 жыл бұрын

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@9sunsjuddleponk 3 жыл бұрын

I wish they played it at the correct tempo though. Trying to recreate how it originally sounds doesn’t do much if you only use the instruments and not how they were first intended to be played. ( too fast, no time to digest harmonies. )

@JL-fh4qw 2 жыл бұрын

There is no correct tempo. Even the ones where Beethoven left his metronome markings no one follows them because they are so ridiculous people suspect the metronome was broken

@9sunsjuddleponk 2 жыл бұрын

@@JL-fh4qw not this particular piece. This one sounds better at written tempo, its just better quality musically. And if the point is to recreate the original, why not use those perfectly good origional tempo markings? This tempo sounds ridiculous and broken lmao.

@JL-fh4qw 2 жыл бұрын

@@9sunsjuddleponk This tempo is very close to the 108 Beethoven listed. Most recordings are far slower than this. So when you say this sounds ridiculous and broken, you are really speaking out of ignorance and falsely believed the conventional recordings use his "original" tempo.

@9sunsjuddleponk 2 жыл бұрын

@@JL-fh4qw yeah yeah, anyone can hear the phrasing leaves no time to digest. Its obvious and makes the harmony dull. Call me ignorant when im literally a virtuoso? Maybe ur metronome is brokem because this aint no where near 108.

@JL-fh4qw 2 жыл бұрын

@@9sunsjuddleponk Your preference is much slower than what Beethoven indicated. That's my whole point Mr. "Virtuoso"

@finden3362 4 жыл бұрын

0,75x is probaly the closest to the real speed

@FSXProPilot 3 жыл бұрын

Too fast?

@jduff59 3 жыл бұрын

Sir John Elliot Gardiner is a music historian (as well as a conductor), and claims his speeds are as close to what LvB called for and preferred. This can be argued, and in the end it's preference. You can pick and choose which conductor you like for LvB's symphonies. I really enjoy the allegro here - it's lively!

@jeffpuha8187 8 жыл бұрын

It is patently absurd to insist that Beethoven's symphonies are somehow better when performed on "period" instruments. The quality and passion of the orchestra's playing and the insight provided by the conductor's style and interpretation are far more important than whether the piece is played on period or modern instruments. In addition, no one knows the exact sounds Beethoven heard in his head when composing his symphonies. He may have often been frustrated by the state and limitations of the instruments he had available. Artistic geniuses aren't always satisfied with the tools they have to create with. I tend to think Beethoven would have preferred a larger orchestra and the sound of the modern instruments for most of his symphonies-given the style and character of his compositions. If you're one of the people who prefer Beethoven performed by a smaller orchestra on period instruments, that's great. Just don't presume to tell the rest of us that his music is less valid or glorious when played the modern way. There are too many overly-opinionated, self-important pedagogues who think they're qualified to be classical musicology critics in the world.

@onPeriodInstruments 8 жыл бұрын

+Jeff Puha "Play the music, not the instrument". Music on period instruments its one option, not one imposition. In 1787, Mozart wrote to is friend Gottfried von Jacquin,"[In Prague] I drove with Count Canal to the so-called Bretfeld ball, where the cream of Prague’s beauties are usually gathered. That would have been your cup of tea, my friend! I mean, I can just see you after all the lovely girls and married women. Running after? Not a bit of it-limping after them. I did not dance and did not flirt. The former because I was too tired, the latter because I am a natural idiot. But I looked on with great pleasure while all these people skipped about, quite enraptured, to the music of my Figaro arranged for contra dances and waltzes. For people here talk about nothing but Figaro. Nothing is played, sung, or whistled but Figaro. Nothing, nothing but Figaro. Certainly a great honor for me!” "...whistled...", Mozart wrote, "... a great honor for me!", Mozart concluded. If today, we whistle Mozart's Figaro, are we using one modern instrument or one period instrument? Music is The Art of Sounds not the art of musical instruments. P.S.: You can change the instruments or the players or both and Music still there. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r9OBpLx2sNTTomg.html&list=RDymQqYEKnor4 Best Regards

@lerippletoe6893 6 жыл бұрын

The insight of the composer is far more important, and in some cases, correcting back to the right instruments, and the right size of the group, is merely playing the piece rather than what could be called an unauthorized transcription and re-orchestration. That's not to say that the conductor and musicians are not responsible for the rest, but they have quite an advantageous starting point when they are using the right numbers of the right instruments.

@MartyMusic777 5 жыл бұрын

It's not less valid or any less glorious. However, it gives the performer an immediate advantage to not have to re-balance their lines against the significant changes the instruments of the orchestra have undergone since the 1810s and 20s.