*there was no google back then, no cell phones, no internet*

No parent should ever have to lose a child. RIP Tupac

It's important to appreciate the pain he felt as a father without contact to his child.

For all the people out there, when i met my father- he said the exact same thing. My mom was playing games and kidnapped us & kept us away from him. We would never stay in the same place for long. Drastic moves from state to state during the school year. Finally met the man and he told us everything. The pain i felt is still hard to describe. I only knew something was fishy when i asked for his family’s address to send them graduation invites when i graduated college. I didnt expect them to come but i at least wanted them to know that i put myself through college. The woman wouldnt give me any addresses or phone numbers for him or his family until AFTER my graduation. Then suddenly she had all these phone numbers when i had asked for months. These women are truly vicious out here. Follow & trust God.

People love Pac so much yet can say disrespectful things about his parents for speaking their piece. It’s family business, they both created 2Pac together regardless of the shortcomings be grateful we get these interviews.

As a father myself, I can hear and feel his pain. Especially towards the end of this segment.

I'm 64 and have always listened to Pac and will always listen to him!!❤❤

As a father, we make mistakes. Some worse than others. So I can’t judge this man for what he did or didn’t do. That’s between him and his son, Tupac. R.I.P. Who unfortunately was taken from him before they could truly make amends and build a relationship. I can tell that Mr. Garland holds on to a lot of pain and regret. Telling his story I hope can give him some kind of closure and heal some of his wounds. His son is an Icon and is still missed to this day. The G.O.A.T. Tupac Amaru Shakur.

That man truly loved his son!

This man is in his 70s and look damn good!!!! Proof why Pac has some great genes!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤ love you Pac!!!

People forget how hard it was to find someone in the 80’s -90’s. No social media , no one really had a cell phone, internet wasn’t around till mid 90’s etc.

This is not an interview, this is real talk. Humanity needs more of this.

you can tell this man loves his Son. he lights up when he talks about Pac & gets openly irritated when he talks about all the struggles his kid had to face. time has also made him appreciate his Son for who he was.

It's krazy but you really understand Pac even more after watching his Father in this interview. The Passion, the way he speaks, able to articulate himself. Krazy how genes alone can have such influence on who we grow up to be.

This is so beautiful. To see his father and hear him speak is just pleasing to my soul. It's good to know that part of him still lives on

"If he wasn't my son, I'd be listening to his sh*t!" 😭

The way he describe his son's style at the end how Tupac could use simple words and use them so artistically so heartfelt so passionate so thug so emotional so lyrical etc however he chose to give it to you wow his father summed up and explained his sons style better than anybody else I've heard probably.

Wow respect to His dad To hear him talk proudly about his son says a lot about him as a man as a father

S/o Del Ray, Billy, and The Art of Dialogue for continuing to shed these sentiments about Pac. They’ll never be another rapper greater. We miss you and love you Pac!

Now that's a proud father. Giving his son his accolades. "Greatest rapper of all times. If he wasn't my son I'll still listen to his shit". I felt that

I feel his pain. You can tell he's in pain. PACS mum lied to him all his life. Pac might still be alive if his dad was in his life. You can tell in Pacs interview that he was crying out for a male presence in his life. it's so sad. I'm glad that his dad has started to speak out gwarn.

Touched the souls of so many across the world. In South Africa, you couldn't go anywhere for at least 5 years without someone playing some Tupac, especially after funerals. I even remember watching a documentary or film about rebels in some country playing Pac in the military vehicle IN THE JUNGLE. No hiphop artist has had that type of reach.

Props too 2pac Pops for being brave enough to do this interview from his side of the story, I can't help but notice your pain... Share it with us!!!✊

I’m so glad we’re being blessed to hear his side of the story. Men with kids can definitely empathize with him

you wrong about that sir your son did not touched every heart in america but every heart in the whole world the greatest legend who ever lived

Thank you for giving us Tupac your son is the greatest rapper of them all pac is well loved across the world 🌎 pac is love in Africa Asia Europe and south and North America with timeless music 🎶 we love pac more than anything one else.

You can definitely see the pain in his face and shakiness of voice. He lost out on so much time with such a remarkable man! It’s a disgusting shame. Can we talk about how AMAZING he looks to be in his 70s?!!

My sons mother is doing this to me at this very moment…this interview has me in tears man and I can’t get myself together..

6:46 chills when he started talking about his son

I felt this pain for a brokenhearted father

My father disappeared for years after my mother kicked him out when i was three. I finally caught up with him at 17 where he worked at the mall as a janitor and my mom spotted him. Passed by him a millions times not knowing he was pops. He died before i could know the truth.

2pac the Greatest Rapper ever

Karen Lee literally said it herself. She knew Pacs father was alive & knew where he was . But didn’t tell Tupac. A lot of people around Pac KNEW his father was alive and knew where he was but didn’t tell PAC. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/btGKicdikt7acZc.html (Karen Lee says it herself in this interview)

His words touch the world not only America long live the real GOAT

Wow the pain on his face when he said that last part while looking down smh Man..we sometimes forget that he was"2pac to us" but this man lost a "SON"

You can tell his father is genuine and really loved pac unconditionally.

Happy early Fathers Day my brother! Keep telling this piece of the story over and over and over again!!! This is for all the fathers in the world that been through the same exact shit!!!!! We Love it! and trust me I speak for a lot of people!! Fathers and sons alike.

Proud Dad moment listening to him talk about His Son ❤️🥺

Man this shit got me weak . Been a Pac fan from the 1st time I heard him back in the day. And to this day i watch videos and listen to all his work he left us, there's noone that comes close to what he accomplished in such a short period of time. Can you imagine if he was still around for all those years that never got to play out. He already solidified his greatness forever at just 25. Think about how absolutely crazy that is. 25 !!! I can't even imagine what else he would of given the world if he had the chance. Salute to Mr.Garland you can tell he's authentic and admits his wrongs. Nobody is perfect and life doesn't always work out the way you envisioned it. One Love 1 Nation R.I.P. to the Greatest To Ever Do It 🐐 💯 We Miss you Pac ~

I'm glad Pac got to spend a little time with his father. I'm sure Pac was angry at the conflicting stories around his father, I would be. I read somewhere that he was supposed to meet his brothers and sisters (Billy's children) thanksgiving 1996.

Billy Garland seems to have a good relationship with his other children, so it makes no sense to act like he wanted no parts of one. When he was a father to the other 5.

Billy Garland, The DNA Test Says “YOU ARE THE FATHER” 🍼🧬😂 - Maury Povich

I'm glad he's finally speaking his side, and being able to tell it in an unfiltered/uncensored way. Doesn't sugarcoat anything, admits faults on his part, and just brutally honest. I'm glad Pac was able to get to know his father before he passed as well. You can tell they developed a good relationship based on the pictures they do have together after they met.

"Listen to this man he's saying things that makes sense that touches the soul of every person in america" from the uk and from the age of 14 this is exactly why I became a pac fan. His father said it so beautifully 🙏🏾💜

Salute To Pac's Father.

This is not just CONTENT. Thank you brother for this masterpiece and providing your platform to project a well needed Voice that has been long overdue to be heard.

You can hear the truth and heartfelt emotion how much he loved his son. R.I.H.P Tupac 🐐💙💯

Thank you. Mr. Garland. For bringing 2pac in this world. 👍🏾💯✊🏾

I'm so glad we are getting Billy's side of the story, he has been painted as a villain for so long. Though Afeni did what she could under the circumstances, she did Pac no favours by not telling him the truth and you can hear it in his music. He talked about being fatherless a lot, at the end of the day she was flawed too though we can't take away Afeni's accomplishments.

What if he was a crack head. Do you think he would've gotten a Dear Daddy Song? Smmfh THIS MAN DESERVES MORE RESPECT THAN HE'S GETTING. WOMEN LIE TO THEIR CHILDREN ALL THE TIME ABOUT WHO THE CHILD'S FATHER IS. IMAGINE GOING 23 YEARS THINKING YOU FATHER WAS DEAD AND HE WASN'T AND YOU TRUSTED YOUR MOTHER

He is candid Just like 2Pac. His mannerisms, so much alike. I was listening to his songs today. The greatest!

Grateful to hear his side of the story at least he can have some sort of comfort knowing he was able to see him again after so many years.

7:20 Please correct PAC's dad, he never only touched every person's soul in America - he did so the world over - In South Africa PAC is still huge to this day.

He is speaking facts - Karen Lee Pacs old publicist knew Tupac since he was a couple of weeks old baby. So Billy must have known her well too.

Love you older PAC! Imagine if you were together now fml!

Powerful and I had chills run down my body. Wow!!!!

I wondered how that would've turned out if Tupac and his Dad would've met 2 years early at Above The Rim set.

6:55 this part breaks my heart. Where he shows his feelings and tells how proud he actually he is of his son 😢 This story is worth hearing (and I'm telling you maybe even for a second kind of series??)

He touched many souls even us in south Africa 🇿🇦 and the rest of the world 🌎

I just wish he had said all of this while Afeni was alive. Now his word is the last word with no rebuttal.

I really wish Tupac could see how proud of him his dad is

It’s great to see Delray doing an interview with Mr. Garland. We hardly see him and hear him speak, so hearing his words about his son is a great sight.

Man I have a son that just turned 12 and I've only got to see him about 3 times...this was the first weekend since he was 6 or 7 I got to pick him up now that he has his own phone....man I feel this man 100 percent....it's 1000x harder to have to k ow you have a son tout thereunder don't know where they are...what they're doing...how they being treated...will they love you later....man I feel this man....we need Tupacs Father movie asap!

I believe him, I've seen that story play out time and time again. There are definitely a lot of dead beat dads out there, but there are also a lot of bitter women out there who will keep the child away, and just becuase the man dosen't want her, will lie and say that the father abandoned them both. I also see that he was proud of Pac's success, but his pride would not let him go to crazy trying to reach out after the fact, he didn't want to make it seem like since he's famous, now I want to get back in the picture, because you know that's how everyone would try to spin it. I see that he regrets that now. It's really good to hear different sides of the story. Great interview.

Ian never click a link so quick

Bro this shit bring a G to tears, so sad man to hear a dad talk about his dead son let alone 2pac a man who helped make me the man I am today

I wonder how it feels when you have a son that’s legendary!

This was a great job getting to sit down with the man everyone thought was dead. You did really well interviewing him too. Hope to see him again and hear more

When i listen to 2pac i be like damn he's describing my emotions.

I really do believe his story. So many young men are raised to believe their father was the bad guys

This is the best interview I’ve watch in years. He is a great speaker knows how explain himself well.

Damn shame when you Google this man it says he passed away in the late 90's.

People don't want to believe that Afeni was just like any other angry woman, when they mad at dad they tend to use children against them. People want to keep this strong woman idea of afeni, not realizing she had female emotions and based decisions on those emotions which is why Pac didn't have a father.

He got lucky! With no internet and just the yellow pages he found his son. A lot of fathers put in his situation never find their children. Afeni was wrong for keeping him away and lying to Tupac. She probably knew that as well. She wanted the truth about her story to be told even the flaws. I’m just happy Mr. Garland is doing interviews because he is appreciated. He is a panther and that alone deserves a book and interview. I hope they invite him back to talk more about his panther days.

This interview is freaking amazing I love Delray Delray always keeps it real always keeps it funky and the father is telling the truth he telling the bad part about himself and he's telling the good part about himself you gotta respect it man

One of his greatest followers from Nigeria here Pops. You are a part of that legend.

Hello Delray! Absolutely fantastic interview with Billy. I feel Billy's hurt and excitement when he talks and thinks about 2PAC. I miss and love that man so much.

Love these interviews keep them coming.👍🏿💯

GREAT INTERVIEW MAN. THANK GOD PAC DAD IS NOW SPEAKIN UP , SPEAKING OUT. ALL OF US ABSOLUTELY LOVE TUPAC, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY, WITH REGARD TO HIS FATHER

2pac touched hearts. That is rare. Especially for an entertainer.

Man I hate this man was put into this position as a father but at the same time if he was locked up there’s no reason but he said it his self he had too much pride! That’s why he lost his son! Im a father for 18 years had a happy family now that where separated my kids don’t always answer the phone or text back my father use that as an excuse but I don’t have pride when it comes too letting my child know I miss them and I need more time with them! He lost me with that!

Great interview… the culture needed this interview!!! ❤

This was not a time of social media where you could connect on Facebook. It was simply an unfortunate and tragic situation. I feel terrible for Billy and for Tupac. Nobody can judge Billy because you weren't in his circumstance. ETA: There's no question that Tupac is the greatest. Jay Z pays folks to say he's the greatest.

This is the best interview of art of dialogue this is going to help a lot of men in this situation🤷🏾‍♂️

The intensity and the spontaniety of 2pac as a rapper, makes him unmatched as the greatest rapper of all time.

Never heard his full unedited story. He makes a ton of sense. We as sons of of split up parents take our mothers words as law. Growing up if she would have told me we lived on the moon I’d believe it. It’s a shame that he missed out on all those years with his son.

How sad it is when mothers lie to their own children. Empathy and prayers for this good heart of a dad. Even though my dad was worthy of avoiding , doesnt mean it was right to deny a child its relatives. God bless and keep that man❤ I wasn't exposed to Tupac, but i can relate to this mans pain as I'm separated from my daughter because of my mother's lies. Just empathy and tears.

People are quick to judge especially without understanding.😢

Much respect to this man. If you know anything about the Black Panthers, he couldn't really investigate his whereabouts because at the time, a lot of the Panthers were in hiding from the FBI, so to really open an investigation to find Afeni and Tupac might have put her freedom in jeopardy, so i fully understand what he's saying. Awesome interview

I pray I look this fly and alert when I'm in my 70's

The greatest rapper of all f’ing time !! That’s right, He knows his son IS THE GREATEST.. He’s so proud of his baby boy.

This is during an era when people did not have cell phones, pagers or internet. Anyone could disappear easily if they wanted to during that time.

Shout out to Art and Delray for coming together and presenting a GROUNDBREAKING interview with Pac’s pops💯💪🏾

Excellent interview, I am so glad that he finally found his son and was able to start building a relationship with him before his untimely demise. As for Afeni, I feel that she deprived 2Pac of his biological father. Just listening to him in this interview I can tell that he would have played a intricate roll in his life. Afeni also cost him the relationship he could have had with his other family. May both 2Pac and Afeni RIP. Women your Not a real woman or Mother if have done this to your child!

A great interview. What Mr. Garland said in regards to 2Pac's music was spot on. I became a fan of Pac since his time with Digital Underground. The verse he had on 'Same Song' was real 🔥.

Afeni had a chance(multiple chances at that) to be in Tupacs life and Mr. Garland should have the same opportunity to do so as well….

Women do this to Men all the time. Both my daughters mothers did this to me, I believe the man. Women perpetuate the cycle by doing this type shit all the time

There's a YT clip of Tupac talking to MTV reporter Tabitha Soren about Billy Garland. He said Garland explained why he wasn't in his life. Soren asked Pac why he hadn't taken a blood test to confirm that Garland was his father. Pac said because it was "scary", and he wouldn't love Garland any more or any less regardless of the result. Pac said he believed that Garland was his father, because of their resemblance and he also looked like Garland's biological children.

I'm grateful we are able to listen to 2pac's father speak about pac

😔 Damn...this brotha knows the government had a hand in his sons death. 😡