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Mat changed at the taking of Mr. Sanderson but he goes back to the old Mat towards the end . He made out of character comments about women being like goats/mules and the noble boots thing

Working on that @Damien

Ok you convinced me. Been dragging my feet on this one...and I started reading fantasy in 1971. Bridge 4 loves it too. Used your link.

So what's a third person narration style of this Book?

I did too that was hilarious

I’ve never actually read a 1st person fantasy book. What would make it so bad? I don’t think a story like TLOTR or TWOT should be told that way but I’m sure there could be less epic fantasy stories that 1st person suits quite well, yeah?

I actually enjoy books with a first person perspective, the Dresden Files is a good example of first person in fantasy, but I see where Daniel is coming from

1st person is great for characters, but doing world building and explaining magic systems and everything is hella difficult. How can u even get others perspectives, not everyone is writing from their perspective. Its like u r reading a diary entry and it gets unrealistic fast. 1st person is way too limited and restricted. U can tell a reader everything using 3rd person and all of a sudden u have so much freedom and u can do anything

Wheel of Time has enough clues to imply that... it's not long ago. :} _There were some ages where use of the Power itself was lost_

Man, i love dune's knife fighting. The fact that they got a lot of weird technology but they still kill each other with sharp pieces of metal is awesome.

Exactly, people even used light swords a long ass time ago, long before the medieval age!

@@cheddar2648 Ah but it *is* long ago, it just also happens to simultaneously be the future as well.

My grandfather had a sword as part of his service weaponry when he was in the army based in Guam during WWII. That was pretty recent.

@@jeremywaters4044 yep! If I didn't have people telling me to keep reading, I really would have given up a long time ago

What book does the plot that doesnt move forward?

Thanks for the advice i will start reading the wheel of time soon.

No, if you have to "stick to it" to book 11, in a series of books of 400- 800 pages, there is something wrong with those books. The first four were great, 5 is fine, 6 is ok, 7- 10 suck and should have been max one book; it just staggers on and on in a downward spiral, to then pick up a bit in the last books. With A New Spring being good.

If you have to "stick to it" to book 11, in a series of books of 400- 800 pages, there is something wrong with those books. The first four were great, 5 is fine, 6 is ok, 7- 10 suck and should have been max one book; it just staggers on and on in a downward spiral, to then pick up a bit in the last books. With A New Spring being good. As for his detailed descriptions of personalities, they have pros and cons; it makes you understand the author's perception of XXX, but it does not let me form my own perception. Tolkien is the opposite his descriptions are so loose that you form your own customised picture. What Jordan did do well was describing combat.

It's okay, he has just not eaten his stew today

Llaneros tarados...

toooooo much air

Treekilling wetlander

The next book is almost out, I started rereading the series last week so I'll be refreshed on everything by the time it comes out, lots of reading to do until then. Brandon Sanderson never disappoints. His new Skyward series is amazing as well, I'm amazed he's able to put out so much amazing content, that's a lot to handle mentally.

Shadar Logoth is epic.

The scene where they are in the Ways and they first encounter Machin Shin was so chilling as well

do it. on book 7 now, not a single regret. excellent and would recommend.

It is a good series. I read it as a kid and have listened to it several times on audible. Only negative I have is the repetitive explanations at the beginning of each book.

You can definitely try them. Honestly, I don't think they have aged very well. The first book is rough generic and incredibly tropey (to be fair, this might be an example of Seinfeld Isn't Funny Syndrome), and while the series does get better (and then way worse and then better again), you, as a reader, *generally* know exactly what is going to happen next because characters and situations tend to follow classic arch-types, almost to T. They're also dated in their view of gender. The books write women very poorly. Most women main characters in the series are motivated purely (or almost purely) by love for a man and seem to satellite male characters instead of having agency. Additionally, the book works around a twentieth century view of gender that portrays women as these "great unknowable mysteries" and focuses quite a bit on classical gender roles, even in situations and cultures where that may not make sense. Finally, these books are incredibly repetitive. Jordan's writing style involves saying the same few phrases chapter by chapter and using the same, almost copy pasted, descriptions for world building and magic systems throughout his series. It *can* be sort of nice when you're jumping back into the series after a break, but most of the time, it is actually irritating and makes me want to tug my braids sharply and blow out my mustaches. TBH, at the crazy length of the series, I'm not sure WoT is worth the read. You'll certainly get some enjoyment out of it but probably not as much as you would from a more modern series like stormlight archives (IMO obviously). The books just don't hold up all that well anymore. **Wanted to just throw some negatives at the series because everyone is raving about it, and I think there are some real flaws. You've seen the people who absolutely loved it and recommend it. This is just my take.

@@isaacsmith3998 You put that extremely well. I still respect it as one of the many cornerstones of influence for the genre today. Hearing Sanderson talk about how inspired he was by Robert Jordan and how that has led him to create such stunning chronicles is very satisfying for me and it leads me to respect WoT at the same time as accepting that the tropes and themes most certainly wouldn't sell well in 2021. You made some very good points.

@@isaacsmith3998 B.S. Shut your whole and go back to comics until you're ready for the big kid's section

Hicksy fr why didn’t he mention that??

The prequel serves best when read either after Moiraine falls through the door, or at the end of the series. It's not a good introduction to the series as a whole imo.

He clearly said to read it after book 10.

@@Loomx5 dude spoilers. But yes it's not a good introduction. I think reading the series in publishing order makes more sense.

@@Loomx5 spoiler lol

I kind of envy them, getting the emotional highs and lows of the first time read through.

Don’t be so certain I must be one of the few who didn’t enjoy it

@@Khaliljt that's unfortunate, but there's no question you're more the exception than the rule on this- its not such a popular series by accident.

@@enaidealukal9203 I am book 7 so far and its good but not unbelievable. Start to get really slow with not much happening. I don't think it stands well against Malazan.

@@cup1966wow Malazan isn't a good comparison, since Malazan is terrible. It holds up very well against Malazan, but that isn't saying very much because virtually everything compares favorably to Malazan series.

the entire series annually!? that's 14,000 pages! you are a being far beyond my species in intelligence

What does ‘gender interacttions’ man?

It takes me 6 months almost to the day to get through the audiobooks but I do it every year or 2. It just gets better every time. This year was my 10th(ish) read through 😁

@@miriamuSamashe thinks it’s problematic to acknowledge that there is a difference between how men interact & how women interact

😂😂cool

I started with New Spring as well, and I've gotta say it gave me a whole different vibe to the story (at book 6 now) , and I feel it would be different if I had read it after book five but knowing me I'd rather read it first. But it had me falling in love with wheel of time just the same.

@@craigmcnaughton8619 I've noticed a lot of older folk (and most women I know) enjoyed the series more if they read New Spring first. It kind of "shifts the protagonist."

Lmao I actually saw New Spring at a Dollar Tree once and was very confused

Okay, reading this comment 2 years-ish later... did you manage to finish the series, or did you take a pause around book 6? :)

@@WolfStarbuck (SPOILERS FOR BOOK 6) yo lowkey I stopped and decided to spoil a lot of the end for myself like five freaking chapters before all the good stuff with nynaeve healing the severing and egwene and dumai’s well and stuff. So salty about that but it’s still one of my fave books because of that, I don’t get why people says it slows down? I guess it does but it’s filled with so much stuff

One critique of your critique of the WoT is that your critique of the WoT keeps repeating things and is wordy

@Tom Phelps Yeah I noticed that in ASOIAF too, it becomes really noticeable on multiple readings.

The audiobook is so good. I love the readers.

the audios are phenomenal. like EXCEPTIONAL

Same. Love to just chill and listen to them on my 70 min commute

Cool!

@@mahamadkader488 very cool

I started listening as an audiobook and I've loved it. Sometimes I drift off and realize I have no idea what was just said. I don't find it wordy tho. And I don't mind repeating information, especially at the beginning of the story. So many characters and places to keep track of... I am now mid way through the first book and I started wondering how old Nynaeve is. She acted like a young woman and all this time I had pictured her as an older woman, kinda like septa Mordane from asoiaf or mother Nenneke from the witcher 😅 Maybe because she's the wisdom so I assumed she old. But no, she is indeed young woman. I'm not sure if it's my fault for not listening or did the book even mention their ages... Guess I'll find out when I'm re-reading them 😄

@@atinity6749 I don't think it says her age but it does say that she's believed to be way to young and pretty to be a proper wisdom ...which is somthing she gets very angry about

I stopped counting at 13 times. Lol

I've read the eye of the world probably 20+ times, and have read the entire series probably 10+ times since I opened the first book back in 2004. I know nobody who shares my passion for it nor have ever even heard of it. 😢

@@stevenseagal9911 i started reading way before that 24 years ago. And read whole thing over and over each time a new book comes out. And i game while listening to it on auidable lol. Like on 3th ti e throught that. Lol

@@johngross688 yea same here with rereading the series as it came out. I've never really counted but definitely, I've read the early books again and again. This series is probably the longest lasting commitment I've ever made in my life lol couldnt tell you how many hours I've spent immersed in Jordan's world.

Wife got me reading them. She waited until I was done with the 6th book to start her reread. I'm on the 11th now, and she is on the 9th. I'm not a quick reader, but I am loving the series, and we have our own inside jokes too now. I wish I had seen this video before hand. I was looking up a character on Google and accidentally had three pretty big spoilers. Still loving the series though.

ARE YOU MY MOTHER?

I would recommend Eye of The World as a good place to go next.

@@nibblitman I genuinely do want to do a re-read now to pick up on everything I missed or was ignorant to as a first time reader. I think I'll take a break before jumping right back in, though!

I don't know what's on your TBR, but more Brandon Sanderson is a safe jumping place from WoT. I'd go with Mistborn (starting with The Final Empire) for a fast paced trilogy with a different feel, or even Elantris or Warbreaker if you're wanting a single volume story. The Emperor's Soul is a great short story/novella if you're wanting a very quick, great palette cleanser.

@@jeremywaters4044 Absolutely. Plenty of Sanderson on my list. I've got my eye on both Mistborn and Stormlight. Also got the likes of Lightbringer, Kingkiller, and Malazan on my shelf too. Once I finish up New Spring I'll probably delve a little further into the Witcher before the adaptation drops, but from there it will likely be Sanderson next.

I was also introduced while incarcerated...its pretty popular among inmates I guess...probably because it is so long & time consuming ...and fantastic ...I hated The amazon series

You’ll just die on reread when you find all the little hints and other things that are in the early books that come to fruition later. It will blow your mind and cement your love of the series.

Eduardo Oliveira you read all the 14 books in 3 months?!

@@victor_734 yeah! The only other book I read during this time was Shadow and Bone, though, so I pretty focused.

Welcome to the fold.

Arcadius that is what it technically is. But I get screamed at for spoilers every time I say that so I didn’t say it in this video.

Post post apocalyptic is more accurate but that could maybe be considered a spoiler?

@@skizzit not reall LOTR could be considered the same and nobody would say that a spiller.

As the world has mostly recovered i dont think post apocolyptic fits much. Its more the eve of another apocolypse and trying to stop it. Also how can something in the prologue of book 1 be a spoiler?

Im having trouble understanding that to as i couldn't tell whether the series had a futuristic past then transitioned to a renaissance-like world.

@Will M same here. It managed to keep me pretty engaged throughout those first chapters but I was not expecting that Trolloc attack

@Will M thanks

You are in for a ride my friend.

Rly good timing. Ordered it yesterday and its arriving tommorw.

After five.

Just started at the beginning of quarantine, did not realize how many books there are. Am very excited

I’m on book 3 and I love the series so far. And I am no scaredy cat of density but in the first book, in the beginning, after Lewes Therin lightning blasts the place and it’s just Rand and Tam and the villagers preparing for winter night I almost didn’t make it. It was killing me. Now it goes quickly even though it’s still hella wordy. But man talk about slow starting. That was bad.

That would be a cool video

whats a better experience the audiobook or reading. not sure what to approach with

@@jaredmacintyre6970 - I’m a fiber artist, and I do anything having to do with fabric or yarn or whatever so I like the audiobooks… Depending on the narrator, it is more entertaining for me and I can do my work at the same time. Kate and Michael are two of the best, and there are many others who are really, really good. I’ve been a member of Audible since they started and have never once regretted it.

Crichton's over description is one of the things I love about jurrasic park.

@@phantasmalemperor8887 Same

Crichton was a very smart man. He wrote like a very smart man who made sure everyone knew how smart he was by his insane detail work. He put in the effort and reader be damned if they didn't think he was going to make sure they knew how much research he did. It's great.

I would much rather prefer someone being a little wordy by describing the scientific details of something than someone being wordy by having characters that are obsessed with gender and bitch about the opposite gender for hundreds of pages with little plot development. That's what you get with Robert Jordan. He would be a brilliant writer if not for doing that.

@@erwinfelis4613 when were the characters obsessed with genders? They acted reasonable to what was going on in their current events. That sorta conflict that WoT had still applies to today with the amount of SJW's and extreme feminist. I saw a twitter post about how men treat women like dolls, but the poster hated that because she sees her gender being more stronger than men. That's the stuff Jordan did way before the whole modern issues. It may not be the best written characters in fiction, but they are certainly the best in fantasy due to how subtle their actions/motives are.

Every time I reread I get blown away by something new. You may have just inspired me.....

I will never understand this mindset. It's one of the most annoying things about anime too. "People can't remember what happened last time or might have missed what happened, so let's add a permanent stain on the quality of this work so people can easily catch up" Really nice for when you actually follow a story as it comes out and it isn't really front and center of your mind while waiting, or for people who jump right in whenever, but sometimes really horrible for the finished product as a whole.

And some of the repetition is equivalent to the "Previously..." in TV shows. Perhaps a bit silly at times, but if you've been reading other books in between it is easy to forget details of how the magic system works, or whether the weight of a mountain should be compared to death or to duty.

I like that it combined the best of both worlds. It is third person, but Jordan as the narrator often used subjective elements, expressions, opinions relevant to the character whose point of view we're taking. This is particularly obvious with chapters told from Mat's point of view. There is one chapter in The Great Hunt told from the perspective of a character whose identity we don't know at the time, yet you immediately get a sense of who they are because of the language the narrator uses during that chapter, descriptions which use adjectives and expressions you'd associate with someone arrogant and full of themselves. This style of writing helps you truly understand the characters, and it shows that both Jordan and Sanderson understood the PoV characters so well that they could tell you a lot about them just through idiosyncrasies and their unique ways of expressing themselves.

Exactly how I felt a couple months ago but my reading rate has grown and grown!!

Agreed about mat, such a shame. And same here, I've only been reading the series for half my life, own several copies of each book, but today in 2019 youtube decides to recommend it..

bad day? Not really many major spoilers but I’d still recommend publication order, so after book 10.

I too would like to know when to read New Spring. I can't believe he's never answered this before! :O

MAD Jack for a reason

Have fun! Just don't. Google. Anything.

@@WoWhunter007 im on the 5th book and its hard not to, believe me

Welcome to the Wheel of Time. I started it in 91 and have re-read it several times, it's a great world to go to.

On book 10 and started in May. Doing about a book a week.

@@charlestruppi7793 damn you have some reading skills

I’m on the 10th book and he’s been my favorite since the 5th one, after the first few books he seems like the only truly sane one left and he gives a fresh perspective to the story

Moiraine's my favourite, and that is not gonna change any time soon. But, I do like Mat as well, and Perrin too, Rand on the other hand, I actually want Moridin to wipe the floor with him, just to teach him a lesson (I am on book 8 btw).

Agree Mat, Perrin and Loial are the GOATs

Why this emoji for Kingkiller

@@----sus---- Ayyyyyy! The man himself! 😂😂😂 It's because Daniel is kinda famous for not liking Kingkiller and it's become a meme at this point.

you are the devil!

@Aaron , sharing the same sentiment. And I'm a seasoned reader, appreciative of Malazan's series, Dune (Canon, by Herbert himself), R.Bakker, Abercrombie...etc ( it's become impossible to be exhaustive by now). I might give a try to the last books co-written by Sanderson, by curiosity and for my "general culture". It is one of the few "most read" series I never really gave a chance, way too bored by the first books or so.

right, but you cant really complain:) in germany there are 37 books

That's great advice. The index at the back of each book is also a good spoiler free reference for the book it's contained in.

Yupppppp, GOOD OL’ BOOKS

Bryson Bennett I was under the impression those were a different author and were not apart of the main series at all? Just in the same world. Hense why I would count it separately. It’s a different story. Though that is highly debatable

@@DanielGreeneReviews I've only read the first two of Esselmont but while the first book is largely standalone the second book continues a plot thread from book of the fallen and a major thing with the Malazan Empire happens at the end of the 2nd Esselmont book and from what I understand the 4th Esselmont book is a direct sequel to the 8th book in BotF.

Daniel Greene The best comparison to it is the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Think of the main series as the Avengers with the surrounding series as the rest of MCU. The “main” conflict happens in the Book of the Fallen but background and smaller plot threads will occur in the side books

@@DanielGreeneReviews Ian C Esselmont's (ICE) books have new and old characters and his books often heavily tie into the "main" BotF series. They it course are not necessary to enjoy but that's why I said even only including Erikson's work (BotF + Karkanas books) is longer than WoT. The Karkanas books take place hundreds of thousands of years before BotF but is mostly characters we already know. It's a Shakespearean tragedy about the Tiste people and Mother Dark and it's absolutely beautiful. Also Erikson is almost finished with the first book in a new trilogy that is a sequel to BotF and he's confirmed many characters returning in that too.

​@@DanielGreeneReviews Well if it's a comparison between WoT and Malazan, I'd definitely say Kharkanas, Return of Crimson Guard, Witness trilogy etc are all as much a part of Malazan as New Spring is a part of Wheel of Time. Kharkanas in fact is basically a prequel before the Book of the Fallen occurs. And Kharkanas and Witness are by Steven Erikson.

Middle of book 4 is where the stories ramp up like you couldn't believe.

Book 2 is really awesome, imo. So much stuff happens in that book and it's such a weird but cool way to follow up the EotW

My wife and I agreed that Sanderson "breathed new life" into the series. Mat went from very funny to pants-wettingly hilarious!

@@danoenco9487 The jokes about Mat were tired & out of character. Sanderson just threw nonsense out there, like Mat's illiterate letter to Elayne, when we knew from Jordan's books that he's perfectly capable of writing a coherent note. And Sanderson does this stupid thing where he has one character say to another "Did you just..." about whatever they said, just so you don't miss what Sanderson thinks was so amazing. It's the literary equivalent of saying "Get it? Get it?" after telling a joke.

Except Sanderson would write half a page of dialogue to establish that the sword was, indeed, shiny. His characters didn't discuss events like they were talking about their own lives, they discussed them like Wheel of Time fans talking about the series. Which I suppose makes a bit of sense, since Sanderson dumped Jordan's rich world full of background characters to insert mis-spelled names of his friends in the fan community. Rather than feel like the characters were moving through a world we knew, it felt like they were being introduced to Sanderson's buddies. Jordan's descriptions of characters at war and suffering trauma felt real, even if it wasn't neat or clean. Sanderson's depictions of the same were pure fan service. Trauma that you overcame in an instant after an intense conversation, and were never bothered by again. Battles that were nothing more than descriptions of units moving back and forth (and back and forth some more) on a map. Jordan needed zero maps with arrows to convey his battles, but Sanderson needed them to show that basically the two sides in the battle were taking, losing and retaking the same hill over and over again. Jordan had characters win political victories by leveraging power and motives to get people to agree to what they want. Sanderson had a character overcome legislative recalcitrance by having people wander into a meeting and say "What are we voting for?" Another replies "Something important," and the newcomers say "Oh, okay, we'll vote yes!" And a second later, another character screams, "Wait, we've just voted to give (the hero) all the things!" That is LITERALLY what happened in the most important political scene in Sanderson's three books. It's a classic example of Roger Ebert's 'idiot plot'. All Sanderson did was (badly) describe things Jordan decided were going to happen, except he couldn't figure out how to get there without butchering a lot of characters' behavior and motivations. I'm glad you liked the action, because Wheel of Time deserves to be remembered as a great series, rather than the travesty it became in Sanderson's hands.

@@Gunleaver Good points, see where you're coming from. I personally saw the note as an example of Mat's refusal to act like a lord. The grammatical errors may not have been necessary for the joke, but it did make me laugh harder. I guess that old Latin saying applies here-- that in taste, there can be no argument

@@danoenco9487 Yeah, but that's complete and total character assassination. That's sacrificing everything that's established about the character for a cheap laugh. Mat might write a sarcastic note, but he won't sabotage something important over an issue of pique. That's why Elayne is so receptive to working with him in that scene, because he offered her his medallion even when he had a reason to be pissed at her for her mocking him about Tylin. In the hands of Jordan, Mat & Elayne were two of the funniest characters, because they smart (two of the smartest in the series, actually), not because they were dumb. Mat & Elayne in the same room can be comic gold, and it has nothing to do with them hating each other's superficial presentation, but those laughs are not sufficiently obvious for Sanderson. So he'll fall back on Elayne rolling her eyes at Mat's uncouth ways and Mat disrespecting her rank, even though both characters have moved past that and learned to appreciate each other.

HoW?

....funny thing is, I never thought that was a problem...