BEGINNER'S GUIDE - PHONO AMPLIFIERS FOR ALL. WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR & WHAT TO AVOID

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Paul Rigby firstly looks at broad issues regarding buying a Phono Amplifier then examines a range of Phono Amplifiers from differing price points. Mainly aimed at the beginner, hopefully everyone can take something away from this one. (NOTE: The included hardware list is included for awareness *only*)
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@rodneydavis1486 3 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best videos I've seen concerning usable information. I am using a Dr. Feickert Volare with a Kiseki Purple Heart moving coil cartridge. I chose the Sutherland 20/20 phono stage with the optional separate power supply. I did not consider tubes because of maintenance. I couldn't be happier.

@eliasmihoub1996 7 ай бұрын

After all this time, i found it, the man who will finally teach me what i need to know, in a clear and simple way, so i enjoy creating my dream set-up ! Thanks !

@atiq191 3 жыл бұрын

Phono amp can really make or break an analogue chain! Well covered, Paul.

@philhenderson7635 3 жыл бұрын

Great video again Paul! I have gone the classic route at reasonable cost. I use the musical fidelity XLPS with the separate XPSU power supply. I use a gold ring moving iron cartridge too. Although the cost is modest the quality is high for MM but has a limited number of setting for MC users. On a personal level I am very happy with what I have. If I had unlimited funds I would stretch to an Avid pulses phono stage but at present my budget will not allow that lol.

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

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@craigmelissa12 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent tutorial. Thanks and Happy New Year Paul.

@gregorysgarro6233 3 жыл бұрын

Paul great video! explained quite a bit of info I needed to get back on track as I upgrade this part of my system over the next year.

@firecatfly 3 жыл бұрын

Superb! My studio uses the Pro-Ject with great success. Many thanks for a fascinating discussion.

@mikec3412 2 жыл бұрын

Man, this video was so helpful. I was getting fustrated thinking why do I need a preamp for my preamp and amp. Breaking it down into 2 amplification stages really helps to understand whats going on.

@golfjunkymusicjunky8370 3 жыл бұрын

Spot on again....just what we need for beginning audioflles..................

@luton_gmanrock 3 жыл бұрын

Great video again Paul. I highly recommend the Moon 110LP V2, I entertained a different world when I bought this PHONO-STAGE. I call it phono stage because it is the stage between the stylus and the main amplifier that powers your speakers. Nice to see a HANA ML being shown too, I have a HANA EH which I want to upgrade to a HANA SH (Shibata stylus) to reduce IGD (Inner Groove Distortion), another issue I hate.

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

Phono Stage is fine - I placed a Leema phono 'stage' in the video to confirm that :) And yes, Hana is an excellent brand.

@evowhite777 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Paul,some very good advice for beginners especially. My choice is my own phono stage.. The Rega Aria mk1(pure analog, separate mm & mc stages) if set up & used correctly, you'll have to spend way over £1k for "better sound quality"! In saying this most people will assume fancy buttons on the front(or a digital display)equates to a "better phono stage"! Cheers. #vinyl4ever

@arte2arquiteto 3 жыл бұрын

A few years ago I met the founder of Aesthetix (Jim White) at Audio Connection, Verona, New Jersey. He is a humble and gracious gentleman. We had the pleasure to sit down with John Rutan, owner of Audio Connection, and listen to the Aesthetix lo Eclipse phono stage along with the monoblock amplifiers and preamplifier, also from Aesthetix fed to a pair of Vandersteen Model 7 speakers in Cherokee red. All of this was hooked up to an AMG Viella turntable. The sound was glorious, solid, effortless, and pristine. I, being an architect, made a comment to Jim White, prior to listening to the system, that Frank Lloyd Wright's favorite color was Cherokee red...

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

You're a lucky man to hear such a system. I use an Aesthetix Calypso pre amp as part of my top end reference system. I love his work.

@tonydeniro284 3 жыл бұрын

I own the Tavish Design the Classic and replaced the JJ tubes with vintage Tungscram and GE tubes, sounds great. I use a Jensen MC-2RR SUT to step up the voltage from my Hana EL mc, then into the mm section of the Tavish the Classic.

@aussierob7177 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul. I have been using the Western Electric Mini Max phono stage for some time now. It is connected to an Audiolab preamplifier which sends the signal to a Rotel Power amp. Very happy with the sound.

@petebakke6167 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video......My Pick is the.. Project Tube Box DS2 Phenomenal !!

@Extremesam43 2 жыл бұрын

I was skeptical about buying any tube equipment. I figured it was just for people romancing the old vintage days but I took your advice and bought an inexpensive Aiyima tube phono amplifier just to hear what they sound like. I was amazed! It gave me the impression it fills in the gaps between instruments. With solid state or chips you hear for example separate cello and flute. With a tube, you hear the cello and flute playing next to each other. You begin to see solid state can actually sound sterile. I hear the difference and I am going to pursue it more. Sad though, I just bought a $500 Parasound phono amp and found I like the $70 Aiyima tube better. Oh well, more audio equipment for me. So sad.

@danielcarlsson615 10 ай бұрын

Hi. What aiyma was that ?

@paulkabrna345 3 жыл бұрын

The Esoteric E-02 at £8500 is an expensive phonostage but you get a lot for that. There are inputs for three turntables (two RCA and one XLR). It automatically selects the parameters required for your cartridge - no dip switches, no gain knobs etc. It also has a demag option. Even the hifi review on the unit states it's under-priced! Very good review of the topic. I had been considering the Icon Audio unit you mentioned as well.

@bobbyyounger7632 5 ай бұрын

Excellent instruction and advice sir, thanks !

@Tony-pk6ql 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for clarifying this issue for me.

@williamsmollett8752 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul - I use the Timestep T01MC moving coil phono stage with Dynavector DV20X cartridge - it's a fantastic phono stage but a bit "under the rader" - keep up the good work.

@sylvian24 Жыл бұрын

congrats for "Gone to Earth" on your background! my fav artist!

@bob11712 8 ай бұрын

Was about to comment the same, you did it for me.

@yoric6939 2 жыл бұрын

As an enthusiastic beginner who adores vinyl, I simply can’t thank you enough! I had no idea of the importance of a phono amp 🤯 every days a school day!

@raj6338 2 жыл бұрын

I recently purchased a phono preamp for my vinyl. With that being said the difference is amazing. Paul thank you for the great video. You are very articulate but easy to understand.

@kennethdorn6393 2 ай бұрын

Ditto the previous commenter. I've learned so much from your channel, I can't thank you enough. As someone getting back into vinyl, now that I've identified a turntable (Fluance RT85) and learned about the phono amp, would the Moon phono amp be a good fit with a pair of powered speakers from Audio Engine?

@adamlemons7909 8 ай бұрын

Sweet! Now that I know that a phono amplifier is an amplifier and not a preamplifier. I can go out and get one so I can plug my speakers into it and get rid of my main amplifier. You just saved me so much space and money! Thank you :-)

@RobertDoyle1 3 жыл бұрын

I'm very pleased with my PJL Electronics tube phono preamplifier. Really great price too.

@stephen579 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I learnt a lot from it thanks

@markcarrington8565 3 жыл бұрын

In a two box system, the power box is not an amplifier, it's a discrete mains transformer and smoothing circuit, supplying clean, low voltage DC to the phono stage. In cheap phono stages this is often done in a nasty switch mode power supply mounted on the back of the plug, sometimes known as a wall wart. An easy upgrade to these boxes is to replace them with a linear power supply of the correct specification.

@quitmanlott7394 5 ай бұрын

All power is not created equal. Dirty power destroys filter circuits like capacitors. With clean power, equipment last longer and runs better. Its not just for phono pre amps. A good line filter (smoothing circuit) is an investment, it is a lot cheaper than replacing a theater amp. That being said, the wall warts electronically, are not that bad. Billons have been sold, and used by billons of happy customers. A "better" of this type is often not audibly noticeable. A good 110v line filter is a better investment.

@andymill32 2 жыл бұрын

Got a Parks Audio Puffin recently and love it! Anyone else here? You should give it a try Paul, love how you can dial it in for different carts and records that are a little too compressed using its warmth and air settings etc, magic is really good, isn't too hardcore, removes a lot of pops and crackles but not all, also love the various tests, rpm, azimuth, anti skate etc.

@mikrophonie5633 3 жыл бұрын

You should have put an "intermission" in the middle of this like they used to do in old movies that were three hours long.

@bronzewolf3 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanx!

@robh9079 3 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up to dipswitches where there is a one time(ish) adjustment. Use a flathead precision screwdriver - you'll find about 13 of them in the man-drawer. Some great 'chi-fi' psu upgrades.....double check as some are AC - AC.

@thespaceace2112 3 жыл бұрын

I use the Bellari VP549 phono preamp. It sounds better than the Schiit Mani and cost just a little more ($150). It has more clarity and punch when compared to the Mani. Well worth it.

@stephc4427 Жыл бұрын

I have both of these too and completely agree.

@lalatv900 3 жыл бұрын

i have a lounge audio phono preamp and am happy with it . would like to see you do a video on it , they are inexpensive ish and have positive reviews from others. a good one man company

@hifijunkieTX Жыл бұрын

Two I would recommend are: 1. Musical Surroundings Phonomena II+ - fairly budget (~$750) and handles both MM and MC easily. Solid performance at this price point and what I'd consider 'entry level' when first upgrading to a moving coil cartridge. 2. Modwright PH 9.0X - valves with a separate power supply. Options for balanced outputs. Really wonderful, but also moving into mid-range pricing at ~$4750

@hifijunkieTX Жыл бұрын

WHEST audio also makes some great phono amplifiers at around the same price point as the Modwright. If I remember correctly, those are all solid state, so is more in line with the 'solid state' sound.

@CamelotRecords 3 жыл бұрын

I rarely comment on videos but for this I must. This was simply excellent in content, description, and instruction. Well put together. I Truly appreciate your time and effort sir.

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

That’s very kind of you, thank you.

@chrisnyc3641 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! There is shockingly little content on KZfaq (or anywhere really) about phono preamps. It's like most HiFi reviewers have forgotten that phono preamps exist - a strange oversight given the current revival of vinyl records. I'm looking for an endgame phonostage, leaning towards PS Audio Stellar Phono, but it's hard to understand how its performance stacks up against other options with similar specs like the Hegel V10, Gold Note PH10, or Pass XP-15.

@pnddesign Жыл бұрын

Yes, many reviews on the budget side, bit on the high end, I don’t know what to choose.

@nick3795 3 жыл бұрын

Really informative Paul, thanks it definitely has got me thinking. The price rises and it's "Oh, that one..." I am so useless at saving money, could I justify saving for a Phono Stage? I'll try but £19K has no hope. Great video.

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks.

@sandeepkaul3315 6 ай бұрын

Nicely done, thanks for breaking your choices down by price. Any opinions on Rega Aria vs Gold Note PH-10? The user interface of the latter strikes me as actually being ‘modern’ if not outright cool!

@eddiehawkins7049 3 жыл бұрын

It is possible to buy a valve phono amp for less than £1000. World Designs produce seperate phono and power supply kits which are available for you to build or are ready built. You end up with a two box solution which costs a tad under £600 (diy) or £850 (pre built). The power supply will also power their pre amp if you decide to add this later.

@JahaJaho 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, this helped me to buy second recordplayer(the first one was 30 years ago)).

@williamrose7434 2 жыл бұрын

Legendary information as usual Paul .. something for everyone .. I’m on a pro-ject tube box and I’ve tube rolled with some nice differences but I’m wondering if I could do better at that price point .. 400-£500 .. any suggestions out there? I hear good things about some of the more budget stages out there and wonder if the pro-ject is a touch overpriced Regards will

@stephc4427 Жыл бұрын

Paul, reminder that often, there are at least two more amplification stages after the phono stage; the preampfification stage, either built-in in an integrated amp or as a stand alone separate, and the power amplification driving the speakers.

@faludabutt8253 3 жыл бұрын

I used Pro-Ject tube box S2 and shiit mani. Tubes definitely sound different. S2 is a basic tube phono. Going higher would provide better sonics for sure. I think first stage of amplification is very important. So a good phono stage is imperative. Well if you got the bucks, you could go tubes all the way

@davidmena7695 2 жыл бұрын

So which did you prefer ?

@tomrochester7381 Жыл бұрын

Is the Audiophile man also the man from Techmoan? 2 quality KZfaq channels, respect!

@Cynicalian 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Paul, thanks very much for getting round to this so quickly. It was only a few weeks ago that you said that you would and you've done a great job mate. an issue, committing to buying a £2000 cartridge every 2 or 3 years is a big leap for me and I don't feel that any point I'm going to moving above the level of something like the Cadenza Black regardless of how much money I have, the law of diminishing returns seems to really kick in above that point and the problem with cartridges unlike electronics is that they have a finite life. So I struggle with this dilemma; will spending more money on a phono amp yield greater results if I'm only ever going to use mid market/ entry level high end cart? Or is there perhaps an argument for putting more money into a phono amp and perhaps less in to cartridge? I don't expect you to have any answers btw, this is more about my musing . :-) For what it's worth I can recommend the Heed Questar and the model up the Quasar is also rather good (couldn't' afford it at the time). I've demoed the Rega Aria which was excellent and the Musical Fidelity MX VNL (not so keen on the wall wart PS) but it sounded pretty good. I owned a Lehmann Audio Black Cube for many years that was a brilliant value for money phono amp.

@josephrobson2553 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Paul, I definitely understand phono amps far better. I recently bought the marantz pm6007, which has inbuilt phono and sounds fantastic to me - could I really improve it with a couple of hundred quid phono amp?

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. And thanks.

@georgeanastasopoulos5865 2 жыл бұрын

Although I'm a bit beyond a beginner, I thought I'd watch another one of your hi fi audio demonstration videos. Thank you for clarifying that it can be called a phono amplifier; I usually called it a phono pre-amplifer, or phono preamp, because that is what my Rolls VP29 (2012) made in the USA is called. I'm going to upgrade it with one of two phono amplifiers that I recently purchased. I've bought 2 phono amplifiers, an NFJ & FX-Audio- Model; BOX02, and a Cambridge Audio Alva Duo MM/MC phono amplifier. I plan to use one of them on another turntable, a refurbished, repaired used, odd Rega Planar 3 (circa 1982), Linn Basik Plus Tonearm that I installed with a new AT95E MM for now that I have mounted ; that's right me. Anyway, I'm going to upgrade, and experiment. I am going to connect the FX-Audio BOX02 to my used Harman Kardon T25 Turntable whereby I replace an AT70 MM cartridge with a used Denon DL-80A MC cartridge. Connection is to a Sony DH520 Receiver 85W (2012). And soon I'm going to replace that stylus. However, here is my dilemma; how can I adjust the settings correctly if the Operating Manual of the FX-Audio BOX02 does not have more specific instructions about setting the Impedance Matching? Thank you for your time, and consideration.🔉🎵🎶

@TheAudiophileMan 2 жыл бұрын

By all means , you have fun with all of that hardware but, as you're asking. I would question using a MC cart with the HK and Sony. Even a lower-cost model like the Denon. I really wonder if you'll get the best out of a MC in that set up. I would have recommended a solid MM cart which can often be more insightful and ba;anaed, especially at lower prices, and especially more recent models. Then, on the basis, for a basic phono amp like the BOX, I wouldn't worry about it. Especially if you're using moving magnet. One thing, the second hand MC cart, do you know its full provenance or was it bought off somewhere like eBay? But look, who am I to tell you not to get stuck in and have a whale of a time with that older kit? Enjoy yourself :)

@georgeanastasopoulos5865 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan Thank you very much for your quick reply, answers, and wise advice. In the case you have suggested, I have recently bought a new Goldring E2 MM cartridge. Later I changed my mind, and also bought the E3 stylus, that I'm to fit it later on to another Rega Upgrade DiY. Therefore, as you have advised I'll certainly consider a "solid MM cart" that's more insightful, and balanced. Yes, Denon DL-80A MC was bought from ebay seller who sells such hi fi audio, by the way. I asked about the conditions of its stylus, and it is still good for a hundred hours; from what that seller said. Anyway, I heard that if any turntable, or used cartridge is bought a stylus most likely should be replaced soon. Concerning a higher priced MC cartridge, and newer hi fi such as a phono amplifier - a Moon 110LP, It's just that I'm a bit of a miser with today's high cost of hi fi audio equipment.🔉🎵

@quitmanlott7394 5 ай бұрын

The phono preamp reads changes in the cartridge’s magnetic potential inside the phono cartage, this is at an even lower level in some cartridges. For these, you may need a bit more adjustable circuitry to get a good reading. The phono preamp's job is to bring the cartridge's readings of its magnetic potential, up to the useable level of amplification for a standard RCA input. An integrated pre amp's job is to select and process one of the pre amp's standard RCA input signals, and be the master volume adjustment for the amp that it controls. When looking at the phono preamp's adjustments, look at the gain as current, and the volume as voltage.

@carlosgoulart7865 Жыл бұрын

Hi. congratulations on the videos. (Brazilian in the area) with modest system: at-pl120 and denon 600ne (pma + dcd), Bookshelf Klipsch R-15m. in order to improve the sound and add an equalizer. which would indicate preamp phono ? and equalizer? Thanks in advance!

@liverpoolscottish6430 6 ай бұрын

Hi Paul, I have only discovered your excellent channel very recently. I would very much appreciate your advice. I run a Lenco GL75 turntable with Linn separates- pre-amp and power amp. I've modified the GL75 with PTFE V blocks in the original tone arm, and the G800 cartridge is modified with a Ruby cantilever and Fritz Geiger diamond tip. It's mounted in a nice plinth to finish it off. The performance is superb- audiophile quality playback. I'm looking at investing in a dedicated phono stage, currently, the Linn pre-amp is running the deck through it's inbuilt phone. I believe that further improvements can be made with a dedicated phono stage. I'm considering a Michael Fidler MM PRO phono, or a Vertere phono stage. Which one would you recommend based on your extensive knowledge base? If it was your set up, what would you opt for Paul? Many thanks! :)

@dagreatstoney.5869 2 жыл бұрын

Great review tks

@viderethevaccinatorfromhol7536 3 жыл бұрын

I own the Arcam Rphono preamp. I bought it a few years back after doing some research online and read all the reviews. It was a steel after all. MM + MC but it has that flipping settings part at its ass. Arcam added a flipping flipper thing in the package. It's not the cheapest but definitely not the most expensive. Everyone knows it's a awesome phono preamp for the money and above. You didn't? Now you know.

@vadiquemyself Жыл бұрын

I'm using Fosi Audio BOX X3 phono preamp and bluetooth digital-to-analog converter, and I like it

@ianyates7742 3 жыл бұрын

I am running a dynavox tpr2 witch is a two part power supply, phono pre amp it is compatible with mm and mc inputs and it utilises tube and ic stages at about £170.00 give ore take. So far I am pleasantly surprised how good it is for the money 😎

@tonydoyle5047 3 жыл бұрын

I have bought three phono stages in the past two years . The£180 Graham Slee Gram amp 2, the £135 Schiit Mani and the £200 Rega phono MM. In my opinion with a AT VM95ML the Rega is the best sounding but it's a close run thing and the Schiit is much more adjustable and also does MC cartridges.

@EclecticMusicMan 3 жыл бұрын

I have done a similar thing but with different models. I am interested in the Rega fono Mk3 MM as I am running AT-VM540ML and it requires 100-200pF. The rega Brio amp has a phono stage but it’s input is 200pF so too high. Is the Rega Fono that much better than the other two?

@mauricecorreia3674 2 жыл бұрын

I am thinking of purchasing the Pro-Ject X10 (I did watch your review). Couple of questions. Do you think the Phone Box RS2 Phono Preamp is a appropriate compliment to the X10? Also would the Sumiko Starling Cartridge make a difference based on the price increase. Thanks in advance, Maurice

@deadandburied7626 Жыл бұрын

Have an external AND a built in phono stage, you can run 2 turntables on an integrated amplifier, without using a 2nd pair of main sockets.

@sexytasmin 2 жыл бұрын

The thing is Paul is that the correct name is a “Phono Pre Amplifier”. It is a device that pre-amplifies the signal from the phono cartridge before sending to the main amplifier. The problem is that many people seem to drop the “phono” part when talking about turntables.

@PhilcoreTheLoud Жыл бұрын

Hello Audiophile Man and commenters :) I am new to the hifi game and I would love some advice: I was given an old Thorens TD 170 turntable, which I found out are not the worst-worst but nothing too fancy, either. It has a Ortofon DM 10 cartridge, of which I don't know if it's the stanard it comes with or whatever. I also have a LOT of vinyl. I buy it mainly because I like to support the (mostly smaller) bands I buy it from and also because I like the extra artwork etc. I do not have any nice setup to speak of, tho, to listen to them. Since I am a beginner like I said, and I am also not SUPER demanding when it comes to sound quality haha, but I am a musician and I still would like to be able to listen to my vinyl in a decent fashion (and also to not look like a complete savage in front of some of my more audiophile friends) I would like to get started with my setup. Since I would like to also use my speakers with my tv and I lack the cash to get both a sound bar for that purpose AND a hifi setup, I've been looking at the Nubert nuPro SP-200 speakers. Those are ACTIVE, however. Could you guys maybe recommend me a decent pre-amp (or phono amp?! Which one is it with active speakers?? :D ) which I can use to put in between my turntable and my possibly future active speakers? Thank you very much and a happy new year everyone! :)

@garyvause2628 Жыл бұрын

I am using an mxvinyl phonostage with a mcru power supply on my michell orb se turntable with an ortofon quintet black s cartridge and the sound is amazing the mxvinyl is a great phono amp and being small it takes up less space on the rack .

@ericekhoff7318 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Paul, I do apologize if this comment is lengthy but I have some questions. I am new to the Hi-Fi world and I am looking at getting the Audio-Technica LP120X turntable, I'm also looking at getting the Yamaha R- N303 Stereo Receiver which has a phono input. I Chose these options because of budgeting purposes and I feel like these options would give me the best sound for the money. My question is if I go with these options do I need a Phono Amplifier? Can I even hook all of that up together? Would it sound better if I had a Phono Amplifier? I am just not sure. I watched your video on the turntable and I have subscribed to your channel. Very good information and I look forward to watching more of your videos. Again I apologize for the lengthy comment have a good one Paul great videos!!

@TheAudiophileMan 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Eric - you can use the turntable's internal phono amplifier if you wish and that will get you by but an external model is superior in sound terms. The Pro-Ject MM Phono (£69) is ideal. You'll need a pair of phono cables too. Look at QED and get the best you can afford (Amazon).

@magusdigious8374 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I tried doing a search for phono amps but all that comes up is pre-amps. Any suggestions or recommendations on improving searches? Looking for one in the $100-$200 range.

@TheAudiophileMan 2 жыл бұрын

May I ask what the rest of the system will consist of?

@crazyprayingmantis5596 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe all the phono stages I've had sound similar but I've never really heard much difference between phono stages.

@momi63 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, I love your videos, you're so knowledgeable. I need advice from an expert like yourself. I own an Audio Technica AT LP120 (that I don't want anymore), Vintage Marantz 2250, and Vintage JBL 4312 speakers. I want to change the Turntable to a Rega Planar 3 or Pro-ject X1 and thinking to purchase a Pro-Ject Tube Boy DS2 as a Phono Preamplifier. Is this a good choice, will it pair nicely with the Vintage JBL and Marantz or would you recommend something different? BTW I live in Toronto, Canada Thank You!

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you're on the right track there with that short list.

@momi63 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan Thank you Paul! I feel more confident now with my choice!

@EsotericArctos Жыл бұрын

Funny as it may be, Moving Coil cartridges are not more advanced technology. They are the same technology as moving magnet. There is still a magnet and coil that move in relation to each other. The reason Moving Coil can be preferred is because there is that slightly less weight on the stylus support and can allow the stylus to follow the groove with more accuracy. The external phono pre-amp is good if you are initially on a budget. You can grab the cheaper one, then upgrade when you have the cash where an all in one integrated system is difficult to upgrade just one part.

@SylvieHill 2 жыл бұрын

Lovely to see a David Sylvian there!

@alexknot 2 жыл бұрын

I have an essentials 3, plugged on the Pro-ject box mm and the sound is great to me. So the question is.. how noticeable (for a newbie) is the difference in the sound quality from the Box MM to a Pure sound for example? Speakers are some cheap edifiers.

@eugenefudge3685 3 жыл бұрын

Paul I just purchased a ifi Zen phono preamp and it sounds better than the one in my Macintosh ma252. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I haven't heard the 252's built-in model but I am always promoting the virtues of an external design so if you hear an improvement then run with it.

@AC8038 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video. Quick question what would you recommend for a Ruark R7 which has a built in a phono stage already? also would it make sense to plug my phono amplifier into the phono stage or aux, line in sockets?

@TheAudiophileMan 2 жыл бұрын

The RCA inputs would be a good place to plug an external phono amp which will be superior to the built in model.

@stuarteldergill 3 жыл бұрын

I like soggy Weetabix.😍

@MegaSnake76 2 жыл бұрын

the Rotel A10 is also A good choice too .

@darrellchitwood9167 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Decware Zp3 Tube phono amp and a Parks Audio Puffin phono sap amp for 78’s and early lp’s with non RIAA curve.

@MrRoy103 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. May I Know which phono-amp pairs well with Audio Technica AT-LPW40WN? Cheers!

@MrRoy103 2 жыл бұрын

I'm currently playing it direct to Klipsch r-51pm speakers.

@matthiasschnapka6498 3 жыл бұрын

Paul Rigby# If you are a Tube kinda guy as you say......Check out the LUXMAN EQ-500 ( A LOT OF KNOBS AND SWITCHES on the Front ( NO DIP SWITCHES AT ALL) for Gain, Impedance, Input Channel, etc,. 2 UV Meters, an internal but nice separated & shielded Tube Power Supply, a 6 Valves Phono Amp Section, Tube Cupling Caps from German Mundorf, high-class Takamishawa Caps all over the board, 4 shielded Input Transformers for MC High and MC Low; all that Amp Section in an extra shielding internal Copper box, separate 2 more Output Transformers, 3 Inputs (MC or MM is totally up to your choice ) Balanced XLR Output for a total stack of 6000,-€ in Mainland Europe. Expensive for sure, but fairly priced for what it will offer to you. Cheers

@stephenrix4883 8 ай бұрын

What if I already use a tube amp in my system? I am currently using a soundcraftsmen PE2217-R pre amp/eq. will i need a tube amp & pre amp for the turntable?

@harrysmusicroom 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thanks. So would the pro-ject tube box ds2 phono preamplifier be a good choice for my Pro-ject Carbon EVO with Rainier?

@TheAudiophileMan 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@harrysmusicroom 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan thanks....but I really think, for the money, I'm going with the iFi Zen Phono

@dean6816 2 жыл бұрын

Rega MC Fono (it's a moving coil phono stage but they also do a moving magnet version). MC £249 / MM £200.

@MD-cy6pe 3 жыл бұрын

i was considering a tavish design classic-maybe even the adagio but it seems they're hard to get now. looking very hard at the eat e-glow petit black gloss. pathos' in the groove also has my gaze but no tubes alas. and if tubes weren't a requirement i may even consider the moon 110lp as a starter, to see what you can get at that price point. like your vids. lol @ soggy wheatabix.

@RickRoberts_simplyrick Ай бұрын

Counterpoint SA9 was excellent. So was the Aesthetix. The Krell KPA.

@slistone1940 Жыл бұрын

I have a McIntosh MA5200 integrated amp (cost: $4500 new). It has an onboard photo preamp. Would I still get some improvement by buying a separate? How much would I have to spend to get that improvement?

@beatleytone1370 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this great video. A question, what if the integrated amp isnt a budget model but has a phono stage, such as the Naim Supernait 3? I have the Rega Fono Mk 3 that I used with old amp that didnt have a phono stage on board. Would the phono stage in the Supernait 3 trump the Rega Fono Mk 3 phono amp? Turntable is a Clearaudio Concept.Thanks

@TheAudiophileMan 2 жыл бұрын

I'd prefer the external Rega.

@jonathanhotopf1823 3 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean about those dip switches, I always find a watchmakers screwdriver ideal for adjusting the settings on my Arcam rphono phono amp.

@aidan463 3 жыл бұрын

Does yours not have the tool with it? Mine has a dip switch tool in a slit in the back of the rphono

@jeffsawdon586 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately my experience, and I’ve tried three costing £200 odd, you would need to spend a lot to notice any difference from a good integrated amp phono stage. Mine is Marantz PM6006 and killed Project, Cambridge and Zen units.

@Skiroy 3 жыл бұрын

Do any of the have dual outputs so I can play out to my stereo receiver for listening but have a second XLR to a mic preamp for recording? Do the output the signal simultaneously?

@vinylrulesok8470 3 жыл бұрын

My chrome plated Art Audio Phono stage is a beatific piece of equipment and is displayed prominently so not all phono amps are unremarkable. The Puresound P10 ran it very close and is a bargain

@rich.e 5 ай бұрын

That Art Audio looks glorious; hope it sounds as good as it looks; the Puresound must really go some to get close. I have found my own bit of nirvana with an NJC Reference Phono... just need to upgrade the system that surrounds it!

@felipeopazomusic 3 жыл бұрын

Any thoughts about the Vincent phono preamps? I'm looking for a preamp to use with my Audiolab 6000a, interested on the Vincent Pho 300 (formerly Pho 800) and Vincent 701. All the best from Chile

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve reviewed their integrated amps but not their phonos. I do like their general designs, though so I would imagine that their phono amps would work well.

@johmyavorski2766 3 жыл бұрын

Have a 701 with a soundsmith zephyr cart. Replaced the Chinese tube with a nos amprex bugle boy for about $95 took it to another level

@tonysmith4494 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info... I have an old Technics integrated Amp. I am looking at buying a used Marantz amp to play my records. Should I still look into buying a phono amp to use with the Marantz. I get some noise with my Technics Amp today, but the noise is coming from my equalizer. But if I turn off the EQ the sound is very flat. What do you suggest?

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

My advice is to remove the equaliser completely. It adds nothing to sound quality. In fact it removes it. Next? It depends on the amp model you're going for - what's your budget?

@tonysmith4494 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan Thank you for your response. I was looking at Marantz sr4320, but I saw on some reviews that the built in phono pre-amp is noisy. But regarding my budget I was looking at around $300 for a used Marantz.

@tonysmith4494 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan The Amp I currently have is a Technics SU-G95. What do you think is a good upgrade to this. Again, I'm on a budget so looking a used amps

@ThomasL Жыл бұрын

Greetings ! I have one specific ask, I own an highly modified Thorens TD160 with a Nagaoka MP-110 Cartridge, plugged into an Accuphase E-305, the phono stage of this amp is brilliant, but one problem, the output level, if I compare some listening of the same albums on my Studio Converter or my CD Player, I have, nearly half of lower output level (Like I litteraly bring the level up by half), so I'm looking for a phono stage, at least as good as the ones on Accuphase amps, and with a much higher output level (MP-110 is given to have a 5mV output), so, if you have any advices for this demand, i'm a taker ! And please, no Tubes/Valves solutions. Thanks !

@TheThomo90 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I have just re started my vinyl love affair, after a near 20 year absence, I have begun with the Pro-ject A1 auto turntable, using the built in phono stage, would I benefit from using the pro-ject seperate phone , will I hear a difference? I have a small budget of up to £200, Currently using an Arcam A90 amp, Q Acoustic Q40s floorstanders with bi wire rocket22 cable. Just to throw in to the mix, I am seriously saving to upgrade the turntable to the debut pro later in the year, so would like a phono stage that may also do justice to this, I know, I dont ask much!! thanking you in anticipation, Andy T.

@paznewis107 3 жыл бұрын

Just brought the Beringer ultra compact, need a wee reorganization, haven't heard it yet 😏👾🎱🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@paznewis107 3 жыл бұрын

@Scott Frobel having heard it. I have to agree.. but it does the job in the short term. Aiming for a Project tube box s. Perhaps in six months or a year, the vintage Trio amp is doing the heavy lifting 😁🎱🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@mrpositronia 3 жыл бұрын

Do budget valve phono amps make the most of their valves? Eg: the Project Tube Box S2? I'd love an affordable 'valve sounding' phono amp.

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

The Pro-Ject is very nice for the price point, sure. If you get the cash, also look at this one: theaudiophileman.com/p10-phono-amplifier-pure-sound-review/

@JamesSmith-qy3eu Жыл бұрын

''Tinny, tiny screeching noises coming from the grooves''. Thank you, I didn't know if that was normal or not. I heard that tinny sound of the record when I'm very close to the turntable. I did wonder if it was normal to hear that.

@panagiotisargyropoulos2217 3 жыл бұрын

Thant you for this. However, no Sonneteer ? Sedley is a great one and affordable. Cheers.

@leonsam12 2 жыл бұрын

Which phono has a brighter sound? That will bring my music to life??

@stephenguise5606 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul, this has me thinking now. I am currently using an Edwards Audio pre-amp between my Systemdek II (Michell T2 with Goldring E3), and Audiolab 6000A. To my ears, the difference made by using the Edwards over the integrated was not that much (i.e. I didn't go Wow, and stepped back in amazement). Given the price point I'm at, is it worth investing in something like the Rega Fono MM, or spending in a different direction?

@TheAudiophileMan 3 жыл бұрын

What's the Edwards model number please Stephen?

@stephenguise5606 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan its the Edwards Audio Apprentice MkII

@thespotlightkid1011 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I learnt via my own ears that the "Phono Amp" makes or breaks the potentially fantastic quality of vinyl. In late 70's when i started buying 'real' equioment to hear my records, all my pre-amps of that day... (before seperate phono-stages existed, bar proff' EMT record deck's modular fitted stages) ...stood or fell on the quality of their internal phono stages alone. Power supply for Phono stages makes huge differences too.

@HarveyJohnWillmott 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the stupid question. If I have a phono stage amplifier, I don’t need a pre amp for the main amp?

@jdthompson5778 5 ай бұрын

Question: In relation to TT and cartridge cost, How do you determine the price range of a phono stage that will improve sound as much as possible without being overkill for the other equipment? Why pay more than you can benefit from? I have a nice recently refurbished vintage wood base Dual CS 5000 turntable (late 80s) with an Ortofon Blue 3M Cart. My integrated amp is a HK 655vxi (late 80s also Neely refurbished/cleaned). Wharfedale 85th Anniversary Linton Speakers. Currently I’m using the built-in phono stage on the HK., A couple years ago I tried a Mofi phono stage (about $350) but sent it back because I was getting s bunch of noise and him. The sound I get with the built in phono in stage in the amp is decent for sure. Just curious if I could improve the sound with a separate phono stage but don’t want to spend more than I’ll benefit from.

@TheAudiophileMan 5 ай бұрын

The over-riding initial factor is your budget. That rules all. After that, as a rough guide, you see what sort of ball park your HiFi sits within. If it's a sub £1k system then your phono amp should be too, etc. But never under estimate the importance of a phono amp. I know some turntable designers who believe that it's of more sonic significance than the cartridge. External anything is better than included anything on a HiFi system, HiFi is anti social. This is why pre amps and power amps exist and why all amps are not integrated. Because separating the control and power sections in an amplifier improves sound. And that is one minor example.

@jdthompson5778 5 ай бұрын

@@TheAudiophileMan Thanks! I have about a 1k vintage TT (with a $239 Ortofon 2M Blue cart). A vintage integrated AMP $800. $1500 new speakers. So let’s say around $3300 total system for playing records. Currently using vintage HK integrated amp’s phono stage. What price range of Phono Stage would you recommend that would upgrade my sound noticeably? Is this the first place my next bunch of money should go? Is the phono stage more important than the cartridge/stylus? I realize I don’t have an audiophile level of equipment but could see myself spending several thousand more over the next 5 years. Trying to prioritize where I will hear the most improvement given it’s all important.

@danielcarlsson615 10 ай бұрын

I had the project black box in many years,since I bought the project 1,2. Upgraded to ortofon blue. Then I took a micro mega mygroove home . And……it was so much difference thar I bought it. Like the music was stamped into the soundstage instead of throwing it up with a hand full of gravel!! Everything got clear edges and black background. I think I be upgrade to mc after this,but I donno if the turntable is worth it?