Beginners Guide: Speaker Crossover Upgrade

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HiFi Collective

HiFi Collective

4 жыл бұрын

Howdy Hifiers,
In this new series Nick will show us the basics of DIY hifi upgrades. In this video we take the first steps by replacing a couple of capacitors and a resistor in a pair of speakers of an unknown maker, but labelled as "M-Audio"
To see the components used on the HiFi Collective site please click:
Jantzen Cross Capacitors - www.hificollective.co.uk/cata...
Mills Resistors - www.hificollective.co.uk/cata...

Пікірлер: 138
@Lasse3
@Lasse3 3 жыл бұрын
You should get one of them automatic drills, I hear good things.
@macelius
@macelius 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what you were on about 'till he pulled out my Polish Grandpa's hand drill..
@djnixmixMTL
@djnixmixMTL Жыл бұрын
😆i have many drills, but i want that one too!.... spess, ...spess ...specifically that one😊
@tranhuynhgiao2337
@tranhuynhgiao2337 3 жыл бұрын
There are so many things to play with with Speaker, Amp, I played around a lot and realized that changing the crossover capacitors, rewire the crossover, changing the interstage capacitors in the amp are money-saving games but bring greatest effect.
@erickort1987
@erickort1987 2 жыл бұрын
HiFi Collective sir my old school buddy that i bought some nice towers he totaly rebuilt,he mounted nice bookshelf KLH speakers plus he crossnetworked them into the towers,they sound nice with the klh speakers on top,hes a speaker genious..the towers are built tight from the inside,they are solid
@TheCornishGingerOfficial
@TheCornishGingerOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
I upgraded the caps in a set of Kef Cara's and im not sure there was much of a difference really, it definitely wasn't night and day, but seems maybe slightly more natural? could be different depending on quality of the caps in the crossover as the speakers I got were kind of the cheaper high end when they came out I think
@tms372
@tms372 Жыл бұрын
Did he make that drill out of an eye beater ?
@yvesboutin5604
@yvesboutin5604 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I like to test different changes in a crossover before commiting to a definitive plan. I run wires from the drivers through the port and place the crossover parts on the ground where I can listen to some music and test tones and making some modifications and be able to listen if the sound is better or worse. For example, if we put a new capacitor on the tweeter, the response may change slightly and we might need to put a new resistor with a higher value to balance it to the woofer response. The changes can be made on the fly and the configuration of the crossover could be redesigned to better results. Modifying the damping material inside of the speaker might be something to look at too. Good luck with your projects!
@ericschulze5641
@ericschulze5641 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I just figured that out I ran separate wires to each driver, & tested tested tested, huge difference ya can't just use math & fancy test equipment your better off investing in a handful of inductors and capacitors
@itsmorphed6416
@itsmorphed6416 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate this video , cheers 👍👍
@virgogreg
@virgogreg 9 ай бұрын
the 1 ohm resistor is such a low value i would have kept it in , did it sound any better with the caps ?
@BFArch0n
@BFArch0n 3 жыл бұрын
Love that intro!
@loudspeakerchefOriginal
@loudspeakerchefOriginal Жыл бұрын
M audio was using the electrolytics in an old attempt to soften the higher frequencies, but it never really works.
@johantaljaard6722
@johantaljaard6722 3 ай бұрын
Could you hear a difference after doing this?
@davidmorgen4558
@davidmorgen4558 Жыл бұрын
Bookshelf boston Acoustics CS 2s ive owned for over 10 years could use an upgrade in certain areas .mainly the mid? the highs an the lows are fine for apt usage..id luv some simplesuggestions from trustworthy sources that know what there saying.. The last time I got inside of em I had removed the cotton Filling which improved the mids tremendously beyond that is there anything simple can be done to the voice coil or crossovers ?since there inexpensive bookshelf speakers it dosent really make sense to send em in to G.R. research or anything like that..Suggestions are appreciated,Thanks!
@hificollective
@hificollective Жыл бұрын
Hi David If you e-mail me directly at info@hificollective.co.uk with a picture / schematic of your actual crossover I can make some recommendations Regards, Nick
@MC-ph7gr
@MC-ph7gr 4 жыл бұрын
Hi thx for the video. How much difference of sound did you get with that modification?
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
Hi M C, an upgrade like this int going to completely change the sound of speakers (the drivers & cabinet are just as important as the crossover!) but having had lots of music played through them now its safe to say there was a definite improvement - they've been paired with a cheap amp thats also had some simple upgrades and together the system never fails to turn heads, all in a budget price range!
@vicg5323
@vicg5323 4 жыл бұрын
Is there a demo
@Vigula
@Vigula 2 ай бұрын
So you listened to the upgraded one and then to the original, and the video from that you posted where exactly? Pretty please.
@Nightjar726
@Nightjar726 2 жыл бұрын
So what was the end result?? Ok you changed the parts. Did they make an improvement?
@ze_german2921
@ze_german2921 3 жыл бұрын
I have an old set of B-I-C Venturi Formula 4 speakers I picked up for $40. The tweeters where blown which I have upgrades comming and also a new set of capacitors. However, mine are rated at 16uf 50v so do you think I can get away with 15uf 250v? 16uf 50v is nearly impossible to come by. I searched for 2 days straight until my nose was bleeding lol
@hificollective
@hificollective 3 жыл бұрын
Hello ZE_GERMAN, there should be no problem with that solution, to make it as accurate to the original you could place a 1uf with the 15uf!
@ze_german2921
@ze_german2921 3 жыл бұрын
@@hificollective i will try that as well. Thank you
@vicg5323
@vicg5323 4 жыл бұрын
How much difference of sound did you get with that modification? Any sound demo?
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Vic, unfortunately no sound demo. The difference was definitely noticeable, its important to play music through them for a few hours for the caps to burn in or "settle" as at first they were slightly muddy but now sound great. Lets put it this way, they weren't used from purchase up until the upgrade, and they now proudly sit in Elliots living room!
@Lasse3
@Lasse3 3 жыл бұрын
The difference between a stock grade pp cap in series with a tweeter, as compared to a Mundorf Supreme MKP Silver/Gold/oil capacitor. Is like the difference between listening to a radio vs seriously expensive high end speakers. For the DYI people out there: -When you make a bugdet for drivers and crossovers, please realize that a really expensive tweeter with a cheap cap, makes no sense. The cheap tweeter with the expensive cap sounds much better. Then again, the price for a pair of 6.8 uF Mundorf Supreme Silver/ Gold/Oil cost around 550$, and that's only 2 components of the crossover 😉 I use the Mundorfs as coupling caps in my tube amp, and Jantzen Alumen Z caps for tweeter section in the speaker cross-over.
@davidjudd951
@davidjudd951 Жыл бұрын
Correct, it's odd that considering the difference in sound, and quality, and the fact that you're already in there doing the upgrade, that a person wouldn't use higher grade components. A Corvette deserves an L88, not a Vega engine. But hey, even if your speakers are only Malibu's, they're worth the extra money, considering the availability and relative affordability of better parts. Even if they're not top of the line, the available replacement parts are probably better than the original.
@tonyisaacs2393
@tonyisaacs2393 4 жыл бұрын
Please could you elaborate on that part about ESR
@Shawn-wy1pb
@Shawn-wy1pb 3 жыл бұрын
ESR “equivalent series resistance” which means all electrical components in a circuit regardless of function also add resistance in the circuit so if you are replacing an iron core inductor with an air core inductor for better sound you are also reducing the circuits resistance which means more than likely your speakers will play louder as a result. I upgraded my speakers crossovers and now I have about 5-10 % increase in volume !
@danbalkey2580
@danbalkey2580 2 жыл бұрын
need to up grade a DR 51 Elac do you have a video for that ?
@hificollective
@hificollective 2 жыл бұрын
No sorry, no video yet.
@user-le5qy7rf3f
@user-le5qy7rf3f Жыл бұрын
Hello, I have Bonne Crossover speakers. Can I buy and add any type of Crossover to it? Thank you
@hificollective
@hificollective Жыл бұрын
Hi, to upgrade you need to keep to the same values and type when it comes to the capacitors. So if the original caps are bipolar then replace with the same bipolar type. For resistors the value and wattage are key but you can mix up types. E.G. replacing a ceramic with a Mills wirewound is fine
@narinderjithayer6151
@narinderjithayer6151 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Nick, exactly what soldering iron/station did you use for this upgrade?
@hificollective
@hificollective 2 жыл бұрын
It is a Weller WTCP51 eith a 3mm chisel tip
@WingStop-zv1sk
@WingStop-zv1sk 8 ай бұрын
​@hificollective I can't find a 100v 150 uf film capacitor only electrolytic? What should I do thanks
@RickMahoney2013
@RickMahoney2013 4 жыл бұрын
Can you swap crossovers from one set of speakers to another ?
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
you can, but crossovers are designed with the drivers in mind so you may find the frequency response of the modded speakers unpleasant
@isiahbethel5956
@isiahbethel5956 4 жыл бұрын
I would
@muhammadali4154
@muhammadali4154 2 жыл бұрын
Sir I have pioneer private pro sx 730 a couple of speaker on high one tweeter is automatic turnoff for 10sec after 10sec it works again and often amplifer is trip so what should i do?
@hificollective
@hificollective 2 жыл бұрын
It’s difficult to diagnose the problem without seeing the circuitry. Depending on where you’re based we do have a list of recommended repairers on our site here www.hificollective.co.uk/repair-upgrade-engineers.html It would be worth looking inside for any dodgy soldering.
@muhammadali4154
@muhammadali4154 2 жыл бұрын
@@hificollective thanks man you helped me 😊♥️
@TBL_stevennelson
@TBL_stevennelson 4 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see the traces or a quick diagram
@TBL_stevennelson
@TBL_stevennelson 4 жыл бұрын
Im thinking the tweeter used the 4uf and the sub used the rest with the mid not needing any filter? Just a guess. I'm still learning
@robertvanderzwan8859
@robertvanderzwan8859 2 жыл бұрын
Can you hear the result ?
@hificollective
@hificollective 2 жыл бұрын
Yes good idea
@sachavilleneuve6688
@sachavilleneuve6688 2 жыл бұрын
Hi ! So I upgraded the capacitors in my 30 yo B&W DM640, w/Solen PP caps, and they became too bright! I really miss the smooth relaxed voice they had previously. What would you recommend?
@wa2368
@wa2368 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, use the tone controls knob.
@sachavilleneuve6688
@sachavilleneuve6688 2 жыл бұрын
W A wow
@wa2368
@wa2368 2 жыл бұрын
@@sachavilleneuve6688 Wow, you're a 'purist' with no tone controls? Wow
@sachavilleneuve6688
@sachavilleneuve6688 2 жыл бұрын
@@wa2368 take a deep breath man. Why r u tagging me as a "purist" ... and that "LOL" ... so childish. Tone controls affect highs differently than tuning a set of speaker to sound more relaxed.
@hificollective
@hificollective 2 жыл бұрын
What was the original capacitor? Bipolar electrolytic or film?
@d.s.w7779
@d.s.w7779 2 жыл бұрын
If I I've got sony speakers with no capacitor on the low woofer 120watt woofer 6ohm anyone got idea?
@ericschulze5641
@ericschulze5641 2 жыл бұрын
? No need for them look up 1st order crossover networks 6ohm is the same as 8
@andyhyde4711
@andyhyde4711 2 жыл бұрын
I have a antique drill like that. Collect those old tools. I've never actually used mine aha
@badbanano
@badbanano 2 жыл бұрын
Why not by-cap that monster?
@scottygdaman
@scottygdaman 4 жыл бұрын
Ceramic resistors are used to help dissipate heat. 10 15 % close probably? Hmmm
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm you mean someone should do the maths on this one?
@jmalljmall
@jmalljmall Жыл бұрын
Did he just pull out an ancient artifact drill?
@dcan911
@dcan911 3 жыл бұрын
Lost a bit of confidence in this guy when he pulled out my grandad's drill.
@mumirluu3865
@mumirluu3865 2 жыл бұрын
@Da Royal General 😂so did i
@anthonynunyabizness9989
@anthonynunyabizness9989 2 жыл бұрын
At this point it might've been your great-granpappys'.
@twochaudiomg2578
@twochaudiomg2578 9 ай бұрын
That dril makes a big difference in the Electric Bill. But, I wonder if the new x over cost more than the Speakers
@Mr.Thermistor7228
@Mr.Thermistor7228 Ай бұрын
Absolutely not ​@@twochaudiomg2578
@matthewtaylor7355
@matthewtaylor7355 10 ай бұрын
If ud used an electric drill they wdv complained about noise.. Plus u can control a manual better for ur on the fly work.. Well done.. I don't work for HFC
@Stikibits
@Stikibits 2 жыл бұрын
Why not just ditch the boards and hardwire them?
@steve69chevy
@steve69chevy 2 жыл бұрын
Ya. Keep both in case you want to go back
@samlee2562
@samlee2562 3 ай бұрын
Well I for one am intrigued by your Polish grandpa's drill..
@blarkdexture8899
@blarkdexture8899 3 жыл бұрын
Specccsif.. speccc.. specific
@eskicihangir833
@eskicihangir833 2 жыл бұрын
need guide for masters i think :)
@eg-sn2sf
@eg-sn2sf 2 жыл бұрын
I've never seen a more twisted performance. Capacitors are not fixed by anything, vibrations will kill this filter. a shame
@TBL_stevennelson
@TBL_stevennelson 4 жыл бұрын
The drill is epic but to long of a bit. It's bending from the wieght of the drill
@davidjudd951
@davidjudd951 Жыл бұрын
Correct, I learned that from a drill sergeant.
@Axissound
@Axissound 4 жыл бұрын
Jeez Nick, time you got a battery drill/driver.
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
agreed!
@reginaldjames7975
@reginaldjames7975 4 жыл бұрын
@@hificollective or maybe a proper work station / your videos make your company look like a Mickey mouse outfit
@robertvanderzwan8859
@robertvanderzwan8859 2 жыл бұрын
But a tru RMS meter ..and without a frequentie you dont measure any thing.
@reginaldjames7975
@reginaldjames7975 4 жыл бұрын
could've saved time and money by putting those speakers in the skip
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
After a few weeks listening we can safely say that these ugly ducklings can sing oh so sweet, glad there weren't any skips around at the time!
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
He did imho
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 2 жыл бұрын
You probably would’ve wanna replace that iron core inductor with an air core inductor of the same rating as least. The iron core inductor kind of smears the sound The only problem is a good heavy gauge wire air core conductor of the exact same rating in millihenries probably would not be able to fit through that small square hole. You would have to mount the crossover outside the cabinet unless you were willing to remove one of the front speakers for a bigger opening.
@graskogtaudio1151
@graskogtaudio1151 3 жыл бұрын
Ke ti ispadnat kondezatorite na pola pesna
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035
@naqiongtradingllpnaqiongtr8035 3 жыл бұрын
Can you Cut open the Mundorf Silver Gold Cap vs Solen Silver Cap to view the inside can ? Is it real Pure Silver Foil or basically just a Fake Foil ? Video have ! ( Surely u will have Billion of Billion of Viewer in your KZfaq)
@hificollective
@hificollective 3 жыл бұрын
We'll look into doing this
@factorylad5071
@factorylad5071 3 жыл бұрын
The moral of the story , bi-amp if you're crossover trouble is big.
@JMNTN
@JMNTN 4 жыл бұрын
i hope his hearing is better than his sight, he needs 2 glasses to see lol
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
He's upgraded to bifocals now - luckily no need for hearing aids just yet!
@dennyindarnanto2134
@dennyindarnanto2134 4 жыл бұрын
You don't know wher the M Audio manufactured ? Well... You should read what hifi magazine bro...
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
They're cheap knock-offs, fear not we're fully aware of M-Audio!
@steve69chevy
@steve69chevy 2 жыл бұрын
WHAT KIND OF WRISTWATCH
@hificollective
@hificollective 2 жыл бұрын
The watch is a Victorinox, not too sure which model it is.
@rekkinregen
@rekkinregen 3 жыл бұрын
next time an electric little drill.
@hificollective
@hificollective 3 жыл бұрын
HFC is now in possession of a cordless electric drill. It took a fair amount of persuasion, but with the help of the internet (and this video) Nick gave in!
@albertomarruffo6279
@albertomarruffo6279 Жыл бұрын
That’s a crossover? The parts I got to build one from parts express are way beefier. Weak
@Mr.Thermistor7228
@Mr.Thermistor7228 Ай бұрын
The hell is all that creeking noise constantly
@garethknott5915
@garethknott5915 4 жыл бұрын
could have wire the caps point to point as the traces on the pcb are as thin as piss what a waste of time upgrade your tools first then you carnt blame them have fun
@melodypedals4827
@melodypedals4827 4 жыл бұрын
gareth knott LMFAO ! Thin as piss I’m gonna remember that one !
@bijuvs46
@bijuvs46 4 жыл бұрын
He will ruin the sound by tinkering with the crossover
@isiahbethel5956
@isiahbethel5956 4 жыл бұрын
He doesn't know what he's doing
@isiahbethel5956
@isiahbethel5956 4 жыл бұрын
@Matthew Taylor had me wondering for a moment
@jamesveach6918
@jamesveach6918 3 жыл бұрын
over kill
@armandosalazar1621
@armandosalazar1621 4 жыл бұрын
It was hard to follow speaking very softly
@rummerlinelmo
@rummerlinelmo 2 жыл бұрын
Cameraman needs to pick garbage for a couple weeks
@DonStevens68
@DonStevens68 2 жыл бұрын
Wish these people would speak more clearly. Try using a Dremel. Guess England still in the dark ages.
@rvsteve583
@rvsteve583 4 ай бұрын
a herty gerty drill, my my.............
@nickschott4217
@nickschott4217 Жыл бұрын
dude get a battery drill . stop the struggle…
@mag4633
@mag4633 3 жыл бұрын
Buy Electric drill. Rhymes with electronics : )
@dipudn2410
@dipudn2410 2 жыл бұрын
Real men use manual
@carrizzle9586
@carrizzle9586 2 жыл бұрын
Wow this was painful to watch, so many questions so little time. Why didn't he disconnect the entire board to perform this work? 🤔 If the components were bigger than the original ones why didn't he use perforated board to make it all fit nicely? 🤔 And I think there are enough comments about the egg beater style drill. But still is he Amish and that's why he's using that hand crank drill??🤔 LMAO!!! This video was pure comedy but good job though.
@MW-sw7so
@MW-sw7so 4 жыл бұрын
What the hell is that weird rattling noise in the background that's very annoying
@isiahbethel5956
@isiahbethel5956 4 жыл бұрын
His speakers
@MW-sw7so
@MW-sw7so 4 жыл бұрын
@@isiahbethel5956 oh ok.
@hificollective
@hificollective 4 жыл бұрын
These videos are filmed in the HFC warehouse!
@MW-sw7so
@MW-sw7so 4 жыл бұрын
@@hificollective ohh, ok.
@mumirluu3865
@mumirluu3865 2 жыл бұрын
AAF anoying as Funk
@michaelwallis56
@michaelwallis56 10 ай бұрын
Specific😅😂
@oskarjennische2490
@oskarjennische2490 2 жыл бұрын
Damn that is a cheap crossover
@nathankimmett8803
@nathankimmett8803 Жыл бұрын
You lost me at the hand drill lol
@kapenakanaiaupuni5816
@kapenakanaiaupuni5816 Жыл бұрын
Don't understand anything you said .
@isiahbethel5956
@isiahbethel5956 4 жыл бұрын
Sloppy
@jondonnelly4831
@jondonnelly4831 4 жыл бұрын
how many dislike comments you going to make? broken record.
@itsmorphed6416
@itsmorphed6416 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video
@blade3120
@blade3120 2 ай бұрын
NOT REQUIRE UPGRADE SPEAKER CROSSOVER!!!!! ALL THE DRIVERS REQUIRE HIS OWN CROSSOVER NOT DRIVERS IS COMBATIMBLE ALL CROSSOVERS! SPEAKERS PIONEER ALL THE DRIVERS AND CROSSOVER IS PIONEER!
@isiahbethel5956
@isiahbethel5956 4 жыл бұрын
If that's the best u can do, I will not subscribe
@samlee2562
@samlee2562 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, I'm a noob and I'd find it really useful if you briefly explained everything you brush over, if you put 'beginner' in the video title then assume we know nothing 🙏👍👍🤝! We can tell you have lots of experience and we just want to pick your brain a bit more.. 👌🥸
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