Being God's Image (with Carmen Imes) [Think Biblically Podcast]

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Ай бұрын

What exactly does it mean to say that we are in the image of God? How should that idea impact how we view things like our identity, our work, sexuality, body image, disability and transgender issues? We’ll talk about these and much more with our colleague Dr. Carmen Imes and her new book, Being God’s Image.
Dr. Carmen Imes is Associate Professor Old Testament at Talbot. She brings a passion for helping students and other laypeople engage the Old Testament and discover its relevance for Christian identity and mission. She is the author of six books, including the widely acclaimed work, Bearing God's Name: Why Sinai Still Matters.
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@jeroldmoore-wi6lt 28 күн бұрын

I want to find answers to many of the questions discussed as well. I eagerly await the sleep, rest, and a new body, just not tomorrow. Great conversation!

@darrenplies9034 28 күн бұрын

First two chapters of Job open up so much unseen realm theology, that I think can be inserted into this discussion

@blakewidmer 21 күн бұрын

One thing that is very unique to the Deaf community is the role of language which comes part and parcel with their embodied reality, and if all tribes and languages are going to be present in the New Jerusalem, then while we can debate whether Deaf persons will “hear” in the new creation, we should not dismiss the “identity and language and culture” that could still be maintained. As my brother once said, perhaps what will happen in new creation is that even he will understand sign language too! I liked Dr Imes mention of “obstructions to access” simply being removed. Perhaps nobody needs to change that much, but all the barriers are taken down.

@kennorthunder2428 22 күн бұрын

"A temple is supposed to reflect glory to God" But that only happens when you have "eyes to see" - that is, when someone or a culture pointed out the way.

@e.m.8094 24 күн бұрын

"The more humans we have, the more reminders there will be all over the place of the rule of God." Who are these reminders for? Who are we "imaging" to? 🤔

@richmonddoku Ай бұрын

You are a tselem (an idol) of God representing him on earth. What makes you an image is that you have a body on earth. An idol is a concrete item and so what makes you a tselem (idol) of God on earth is that you have a body. As an idol, a representative, you don't receive the worship for yourself but you receive it on behalf of the unseen one. You lose the glory of being human (tselem, an idol of God) when you don't perform your function. But failing your function doesn't make you less human. Not having certain capabilities, achievement and experience doesn't make you less human.

@CarmenJoyImesPhD 28 күн бұрын

Yes! Good listening!

@rebeccahayhurst442 Ай бұрын

That’s a powerful differentiation of being the image of God versus bearing his image. It was fascinating to hear from about the Hebrew language and context of what early Hebrews would have thought the language in Genesis to be. If that is correct, I think it’s a very transformational view of human beings in that despite the effect of sin in ourselves, we are the image of God. I think it speaks more intensely on how much our value, identity and worth comes from God. I think one question I would like to ask Dr. imes is - when we are regenerated into a new creation through putting our trust in Jesus, do we reveal more of his image in that sense? I thought thus was very fascinating.

@CarmenJoyImesPhD 28 күн бұрын

I'm so glad you enjoyed this, Rebecca! Our new life in Christ empowers us to live in greater alignment with our true identity as God's image. As we're conformed to Christ, we actively live out the vocation we are intended to do.

@christasimon9716 Ай бұрын

"The world has been marred by [original] sin." So, either God, being omniscient, knew this was going to happen, and God planned everything this way and allowed sin to happen, or He didn't know it, and man, right from the start, defeated God's intended plan?

@CarmenJoyImesPhD 28 күн бұрын

I would say that God's desire was for a world in which we could freely choose to relate to him. Sin is not what he wanted, but its a consequence of our freedom, which IS what he wanted.

@christasimon9716 28 күн бұрын

@@CarmenJoyImesPhD "I would say that God's desire was for a world in which we could freely choose to relate to him." Adam and Eve already did relate to him. God walked with them in the garden, and they had conversations together. The only purpose for God putting the tree in the garden was to cause sin. That's on God. "Sin is not what he wanted" Yet He put the tree there anyways. And THEN God _also_ put talking snakes in the garden. No, God didn't want talking snakes in the garden, and they happened anyways? God didn't know all that was going to happen? In any other real life situation, the negligent parent is held accountable. But here, we give an all-knowing, all-powerful god a free pass, and blame the kids who literally don't know right from wrong.

@jeroldmoore-wi6lt 28 күн бұрын

The way I understand it is there was a war in heaven, and Satan was thrown down to the earth and took a third of the angels with him. When God created man, Satan was already there. God put Adam in the garden and made him a mate. God also put all of the trees in the garden along with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We don't know how long Adam and Eve lived in the garden in obedience. But we do know their own lust and desires drew them away. And Satan took advantage of the weakness. God surely knew the man he made would eventually succumb to his desire to know good and evil, which is why he sent his word in the likeness of flesh before the foundation (katabolē - throwing down) of the earth. Eph 1:4

@christasimon9716 13 күн бұрын

@@jeroldmoore-wi6lt "there was a war in heaven, and Satan was thrown down to the earth and took a third of the angels with him. When God created man, Satan was already there." So this war took place during Creation Week? And is this war described anywhere in the Bible, or is this a fan-fiction story? "we do know their own lust and desires drew them away." And how do we know this? The whole point of the story is that they didn't know right from wrong. They COULDN'T have, until AFTER they ate from the Tree of -Unnecessary Plot Complications- Knowledge of Good and Evil. Think about that for a moment. And also, Eve didn't even exist yet, when God told Adam not to eat from the tree.

@marcusdumitru 21 күн бұрын

Being made as God's image on earth is a status. But I dare day, we shouldn't put the emphasis on the body as the key element. It's not our materiality that makes us the image. The celestial beings are also an image for God in their domain, and it's not bodies that define their status as imagers, either. I think it's something metaphysical... It's the status of Lords over a dominion. So, I reject the idea of the necessity of bodies for the new creation, or the possible imperfections of those bodies. Here, the bodies are necessary to exercise dominion. In glory there will be different bodies for a different kind of dominion.

@blakewidmer 21 күн бұрын

Then why does Jesus eat food and still have holes in his hands in his resurrected and glorified body?

@marcusdumitru 16 күн бұрын

@@blakewidmer The answer is there too: To make the disciples recognize him, that he was the same person and that he is not a ghost or a figment of imagination, but a real entity that can interact with the physical universe. I don't deny the existence of a material body, only the centrality of it to the concept of imager. IS a DEAD man (that is disembodied) still an imager of God? Is he still a human, in Sheol? Is the conscient mind of a person in Sheol still a human? Did he change its nature? Maybe the questions are wrong in themselves, but they should be answered in a way or another, with some biblical argumentation.

@blakewidmer 16 күн бұрын

@@marcusdumitru thanks for reply. Your view is interesting. I think there are other ways biblically speaking to talk about our role in “dominion” etc such as priesthood, but an image (hebrew tselem) is a concrete object and so I guess I just see the materiality as core to the idea. Also “glory” has a lot to do with exercising proper rule (psalm 8) within physical creation (over the birds and bears and fish of the sea, etc)