Agreed. He'll be a juggernaut by the time he reaches 30!

The beard does not make the man Orthodox

Fax western 'becoming' was refuted by King Solomon's "There is nothing new under the sun". I wonder though if the progression gnosis idea stems from neo-platonic presuppositions

@@telosbound St. Gennadios Scholarios formal distinction bros rise up. Inseparable but distinct, unity in distinction.

Sure! What I get from Hegel is that indeterminate being is the essence of the subject. So Nothing is the ground of the absolute subject. This can be seen in the unrepresentability of the subject: that every act of self-reflection is an act of self-estrangement, i.e., the subject cannot capture itself in thought (because thought is an objective act---representational rationality---that can deal only with determinate being). This should be in agreement with your view of the impossibility of self-relation. What I fear is that we're getting into ontotheological territory when we say that God's being consists only in determinate being. If subjectivity is essentially indeterminate being (and if Hegel, Schelling, Parmenides, Plotinus, etc. are right that being/subjectivity and thinking/objectivity are codependent), then to reduce God's being to determinate being is to move like the scholastics, blowing away the subjective dimension of God (apophatic theology, ecstasis/hesychasm, etc.). It seems like you do this when you equate hell with the self-relating void of negativity that characterizes subjectivity. In particular, I don't see how your pathologization of subjectivity doesn't also pathologize the essence of subjectivity, leading to an excess of objectivity. The unrepresentability of the subject seems to imply that an ontology of pure determinate being is inadequate. In the theological context, this leads to issues in disregarding the negative aspects of God which I think lie in the dark ground of spirit as Tehom, the formless and void Earth in Genesis (there should also be a connection to Mariology here). Maybe this causes epistemological issues as well because revelation is essentially subjective (this would track with the role that the Holy Spirit plays in ecstasis). Looks like I've been bloviating! i'd be really interested to talk about this more. Let me know your thoughts!

@@telosbound Ok Thanks. So I want to respectfully push back on your proof verse and please respond if you have anything to add or refute to my response. I am a Social Trinitarian, So I DO Believe that Jesus Christ is God ONE with the Father and HG. So in John 1:1-5 there is NO Son, Father and HG mentioned in this text, Please read the text as it reads don't assume your presupposition. Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain FROM the foundation of the world. Notice its say FROM Not BEFORE the foundation of the world, My personal understanding of this verse is that the PLAN of the Triune God to have "the Word" the Lamb Slain was AFTER the Fall of Adam Eve NOT In Eternity Pass before creation. If you make it that God's Incarnation to Die as Lamb Slain as a NECCESSARY ACTION before Creation then it's a Modal Callapse. It makes SIN NECCESSARY not Contigent?

That seems pretty clear and straightforward to me

@@telosbound How do we accept that which prevents us from being ultimate? Though I am a product of limitation, I can't seem to come to terms with it. If only I could stop thinking.

@@telosbound Everything that surrounds me forces me to live in my head. At least I see no other alternative. What happens to us once we've finally incorporated everything? Perhaps we'll simply disappear.