Lol

Yes and he's floor gang

no he's just a liar

he was originally gonna make a different video before he failed it and git mad

Wait, that means there's a beholder running/floating loose in his home!

It's perspective, man. People have actually done videos where they use an angle of them on the floor and make it look like they are moving normally, or flying and such. Stop motion stuff.

Oh wow

I thought he just had some really good product in his hair.

The raised shoulders, the torso generally being lifted a bit more towards the head and also the ribbon from his hoody made it rather clear, I'd say. The whole perspective doesn't seem normal.

HOW THOUGH?! he's done multiple videos lying down, it shows him lying on the ground with the mic cord lying next to him, and it still took you entire minutes to figure that out?? *reads title of video again*... Oh right.. my bad.

his laces would fall toward us then

@@Arkangels77 They are glued in place

Also his skin is held in place by tape

I can’t unsee it

@@Arkangels77 duh? Let the funny comment be

"Uuuuuuh.... This isn't my house"

"Excuse me what the actual fuck are you doing in my house-"

And THAT is how you handle it. Even bad rolls can, and often are, really fun (or funny).

Hi, I'm Jacob. I'm Hunter's character, and this is true.

Incredible

well that too

I think the Wizard salts the wound really, finishing it off with a magic missile? What an insult. It's telling you all of what you did was for nothing, you could just have said "I attack with my long sword, action surge attack again." and likely finished the job without your character embarrassing their self in front of their friends. Still best to just find a way to laugh at that too but still, jeez.

"lets change the perspective" stands up

@@eldritchlady7077 It’s just a game, damn

@@DeathnoteBB i think people just dislike their creativity not being rewarded, then someone saying one spell and ending the battle

Once I as the DM trew a Big fng ogre at my party... They cast Tasha's hideous laugther on it. I didn't deal any damage... It just layed there, laughing while his gobbo colleges got slaugthered. Frustrating, yet hillarious.

@@gentleshark972 I once as a full orc wild sorcerer Nat 1 on a stealth role and I asked my dm if I could narrate what happened he said yes so I say you hear brrrrrrrn as he passes gas and cast stinking cloud centered on the party everyone was laughing and a little mad but ar the end of the night we all had fun playing even with my huge mess up.

@@asleepcube4693 SPEAKING ABOUT ORCS. One of my Players had a history with the bad boys and as a result after meating one of them on a trade-ship he proceeded to attack him. After noticing the madlad might be a little weak for his little dwarf he decided to toss the orc off the dock into the sea. I was not angery, only midly dissapointed he didn't try a little developlent. But now i have a mad spooky-zombie-demon-ork to haunt him.

Once in a campaign we failed to defend ourselves against a group of vampires controlling the city because our strongest partymember failed their wisdom saving throw and became charmed; if her roll wasn't a failure, we wouldn't have had an awesome session next week where two partymembers broke the rest of us out of captivity, we marched into the castle's throne room, and defeated the lich's lieutenant vampire, saving the town and bringing us closer to defeating the lich. Failure really can bring forth fun opportunities just as much as success.

We have an on running joke where our cleric keeps on missing her guiding bolt. Every. Single. Time.

When I roll a 1 I just add my own flavor to it. Roll investigation! *gets a 1* "I see don't see anything" I say as my character looks around with his eyes closed.

I agree, but when another PC actively disable you to act, in a fucked up situation, you are quite angry at the PC. (when this anger is already stacked up because the other PC is often manipulating the game, I think it's fine to express your dislike.

@@BlackJoke-ns9ub what are you even talking about

thanks mom

@@mrosskne your wekcone mike

That's the one time my DM kicked a player out was for shitting on someone for their rolls.

Me too. My DM as well was making me feel that way.

Same it sucks especially when they dont let you play because you might roll low.

@@alucardthegrey5373 yup, been there

sounds like you play with shitty people, time to ditch that friend group.

Rerolls and gets a 1.

Jimothy the Green *Laughs in wizard-school of divination*

@@GoblinUrNuts Takes the Lucky feat, Still gets a 1

Halflings only get to reroll 1s...... >.>

Vorpus Era he’s saying he’s Halfling AND has the lucky feat

*affect

@@fungling7982 Effect and affect are mixed up so interchangeably at this point that it's not worth correcting anyone, people will just keep using them wrong. Enjoy the satisfaction of using it correctly, ignore the mistakes of the comment section where most don't even bother to spellcheck their words, let alone grammar and punctuation.

*laughs in divination wizard with lucky feat.*

@@voidstrider801 Wow, you really got that upset over a single word?

@@voidstrider801 Looks like the word "effect" *affected* you that much

Oh snap I actually have something for that. You know the lucky feat? When someone uses it to turn a fail to a success I try to narrate it as a if they lucked into that result. Like if they are looking for something and use lucky to find it. It would be they are searching but get distracted by something drop it and when they pick it up they see a hidden object under the dresser or something.

I think you...fail to see the point. If you roll low and YOU fail an action, it's no big deal.

Yeah that’s what I always tell one of my players. She gets super attached to her characters because they ARE her so when the character fails, she feels like she fails. That and she’s a notoriously bad roller. Hahahaha. I always try to make it an environmental failure. Like a rope snapping or something. That way she doesn’t get down on herself for not doing the cool thing.

A balance of both you failing, the environment changing, and other parties intervening are all needed. To what degree should each be implemented? That's a good question. But, because "you failing" is more volatile than the other two, it can create opportunity for character growth and that's something that should be looked into. Using it in the right moment.

This is a really good way to do this, especially if you have players who want to play their characters a bit more seriously, it makes the players feel less like they're failing because they suck and more because the enemy they're facing is a fucking beast and is tough as nails.

Is that you Will Wheaton?

Sweet Jesus let someone else roll for you

Burn every d20 in that line up and step away for a moment. Lol Buy new dice and come back ready for your nat 20s lol

Did you immediately run out and buy a lotto ticket? Do you have any idea what the odds are of rolling that many of a single number in a row are? Pretty sure that rolling out of bed and dying is much more likely...... Even for Will Wheaton ;)

Burn the dice, burn some sage, then borrow some else's dice before getting new ones 😄

That doesn't sound like a luck issue, it sounds like a player (not necessarily you) or balance issue. If you're constantly in the same situation then perhaps you need to change your (or your party as a whole's) approach? Can one of your team not drag you out of combat when you're down? Or close ranks around you to give a chance for someone to stabilise you? Can they use Minor Illusion to break line of sight and illusory full cover so you can get back up after being healed? There are usually ways to avoid relying so heavily on luck to survive/be useful.

@@BeaDSM it doesn't help that we're only two players, and the other one's like a sorlock with not very high con and I'm a fighter/barbarian. There was one fight where two enemies crit me at the start and I went down instantly, but once I came back up I just killed the boss. My character is strong and the enemies are balanced, I literally just keep rolling low to hit, low on damage, and enemies keep rolling well against me. Though some changes happened and now I have 20 CON and my ac isn't actually like 13 anymore so hopefully I won't go down instantly in the next fight. I've had that issue every single time I've played a frontline. Which is only twice, since I don't get to be a player often, but it's weird that it happened both times.

That's why you buy another set of dice everytime one fails you too many times in a session. Eventually, people will think you're a collector, but instead you are a judge, sentencing bad die to a life without rolls.

It also depends how your DM is working. Personally as someone who DMed, I'd be rolling the shiny rocks behind the screen and not giving a shit how they land so I can shape the narrative better at that sort of point. Sure, DMs shouldn't be pretending they rolled better than they did just to screw the party, but I used to pretend I rolled worse *all the damn time*. As long as you show them a nat 20 every now and then and do let them take the odd hit that really hurts, it can improve everyone's game if the enemies roll like trash when they group up. If an individual archer hits 1 in 5 times but a single archer from a group of 10 hits 1 in 20, that still feels scary and like a movie moment, just... a bit less game-ending. And the party won't feel the drop in tension if you balance it well and make sure they don't have a complete cakewalk.

@@BornOnThursday good one 😂

Thats... A really good idea. if they fail something importent, then let them still do it, but with a twist

or they could just fall flat on their face. it's okay to fail at things in a ttrpg. it's part of the game. and epic fails are memorable and fun.

@@twotonkatrucks someone eating shit on top of a beholder and having to essentially take a bull-ride of death is kinda fun though

@@twotonkatrucks I think this is situational really. Reading the room is important for a GM, if this happened in one of my games with my players then I'd probably have had them fail as normal because my players are the type to laugh it off, they'd be in character bullying for a few sessions and it'd be a lark, but also if the players were in a dire spot I'd have gone with a "yes but" alternative to failure. But if it was games I run with my family it would depend on who did it. My mum is a salty cow and if she fails at something she lets embarrassment ruin the fun for herself and all of us, so I would come up with a "yes but" instead of an outright no, while my sister's husband would be in hysterics if it failed or succeeded so either way he's happy and everyone else is happy so I wouldn't do anything about it. One of my sisters is autistic and struggles to engage in the game at all sometimes even though she's adamant she's enjoying the time she's spending there, even talks about missing it since the pandemic hit, she gets a much gentler treatment that everyone notices but no one is even considering complaining about because of how advanced she is on the spectrum. She struggles to engage and engaging her is a lot easier if she's rewarded for coming up with cool ideas and having the courage to put them forward especially among the louder players such as my brother in law, my younger sister or even myself. There's no hard and fast "you should do this" way of handling any situation in any TTRPG.

@@eldritchlady7077 mad respect! I wish I had such a cool dm!

It's worse when the DM rolls those in the open and it still happens, cause behind the screen he can give you a win. Out in the open there's no such victory. All you can do is hope it was properly balanced.

@@stanard_bearer this. Honestly when I first play DnD and my DM requested for his rolls done in a secret, I'm questioning why. It was only after I tried my hand being a DM that I just understand why. Sometimes, you just have to lie and said you roll lows just so the party could continue

@@namikazenara9379 a big reason I'm cautious to get into D&D through online sessions. Maybe its cheap, but it really seems like a good game needs a good DM and a good DM can't beholden to digital roles and what not. Even if they don't consistently admit it, most of these content creators have admitted to fudging dice when they feel it is better for the game. They just also say to never tell anyone you do it.. ever. Means they end up contradicting themselves in videos pretty often though.

Because it is inevitable, you don't know when it will happen, but you do know that it will happen. There's no point in getting angry at something you can't control.

Because a good GM is going to turn that bad luck into a memorable moment. My worst combat was against a house cat and I was close to death when my brother had the wyrm egg in the tower chamber that we were fighting in hatch. The hatchling then looked around, identified the cat as the only potential prey in the room, went for it, gulped it down, and then tried to get away from us and the witch the other players were fighting through the window. It's been over ten years and this is my most vivid memory of that RP group.

@@benbooth2783 But anger is the natural response to failure and we're only human.

Nat 1s don't work on skill checks RAW, if I'm correct. You could just say that they don't in your game anyway, they certainly don't at mine

@@ingridplata2411 Yes, this one-million percent right here. To my knowledge the only time D&D ever had conditions for Nat 1s in the rules was when making a ranged attack to a target engaged in melee - in which case there was a chance your attack would hit another melee combatant. And that was in 3rd/3.5e. People just ran wild with the nat 1s thing for fun and it weirdly passed into common law somehow.

@@ingridplata2411 If you can succeed with a 1, there's no reason to roll. therefore, if you're rolling, at all, a 1 will result in failure.

@@mrosskne you can fail on a 1 and still not have a "critical fumble, your glasses break while trying to decipher this" fail

@@ingridplata2411 there are not and have never been rules for natural 1s beyond automatic failure, and those only apply to attack rolls. if you can pass a skill check with a 1, there is no reason to roll.

idk about you but it gives me anxiety

I'm still trying to figure out how he has that rigged.

Yes

@@bugleboy624 stuck it to the ceiling

When you fall asleep looking at your phone and it hits your face

*DICE JAIL*

100's of dice in a bag jail. I don't like this dice, hmmmmmm. What colour?

And now she's considering digital dice

I feel you. When D&D is like the only good thing that happens in your entire week. And I'm fine with failing a check or two. But when you have an entire session where every roll you make is 5 or less (which somehow happens fairly frequently, it seems, in spite of the statistical unlikeliness), it really gets to you.

I feel like you're missing the point. It's ok to feel bad for getting bad rolls; after all, you want your cool plans to work. But if someone starts crying because of what they rolled, I would argue they're looking at it wrong. The dice are random, and you knew this before starting the campaign. If you can't handle that, that is, start crying when your character makes several failures in one session, DnD might not be for you. And as fun as DnD is and may be the highlight of your week, depending on it for comfort is a completely different thing. If you depend on DnD to make your life better, you are depending on the DM (and the dice) to make your life better, which isn't going to work. If you want to play DnD and have a good time, you have to accept that literally anything can happen, even the extremes. These extremes could be rolling 4 nat 1's in a row. They could also be just completely demolishing your enemies with several 20s and 19s. I think every single roll, regardless of result, is an opportunity to add to the collective narrative. After all, you're not playing this game to succeed at something, you're playing this game to make a story. That's what DnD is all about, and I feel like a lot of people get caught up in trying to "win" DnD when that's simply not possible. If you can't handle failure in a game, play a game where you can't fail, or at least fail more than an X amount of times. As much as I sympathize for your life sucking something, I personally don't want players bringing down the mood by crying or being otherwise upset. I came to DnD to have fun, and DM is taking a lot of time out of their life to try to make sure people have fun as well.

I don't think he means don't feel upset - I think he means don't get mad at the game or the people because of a dice roll

@@elimooorhouse4824 Uh huh, so basically, correct me if I'm wrong, sucks to suck. Is that right?

@@elimooorhouse4824 rolling several natural ones in a row doesn't sound like a very fun adventure to me. it's not about winning, it's about doing SOMETHING. nobody wants their character to look like a joke or a failure unless if that's the player's intent. there's nothing you can do to "roll better", you can't really learn from your "mistakes" because a dice roll is just random. don't tell other people that DnD isn't for them, it's just not a perfect game. we can't come up with a solution to everything but that doesn't mean every player is going to feel perfectly fine about their unfortunate situation. everyone has been upset over a game or hobby they like many more times than anyone would like to admit, and that's ok, as long as you don't take it out on others.

Honestly, he could've said, "It's okay to be upset, but don't take it out on others." But the intro to the video makes it seem like if you get upset *at all* you're overreacting and petty. No, if I whiff all my attacks as a fighter and burn action surge in the process it's gonna piss me off. I feel all these people who parrot the whole "failure is fun" and "when I fail I treat it in a fun way" forget that people often invest a lot of time into making their characters. It feels so undeserved to have your character die in session 1 to a bunch of fucking boars because they rolled three consecutive criticals and you died because of a crit fail on your death saves (true story). Failing in a roleplay situation is fine because it can lead to some pretty funny and memorable moments. In combat, the stakes are higher and failure can mean death. Like you say, nobody likes sitting on the bench after you whiff your turn in 10 seconds meanwhile the wizard takes 20 minutes to explain Fireball.

It’s the opposite for me, I only get upset with role play roles when I want to do something crazy lol

This. It's a weakness of the turn based, dice determined format.

@@davidsimpson7221 True, but what's the alternative?

@@Lurklen I use a deck of 20 cards. The players get hands of 5 that they need to play through before drawing their next hand. Before the deck is reshuffled, they end up playing through the entire deck. This way they still need to play the 1, but they can plan around when that will happen.

Is that a Door Monster reference?

Awesomizer 2000 “Yep, no, I have my limits, and these dice need to go”

when I told you to blame the dice I did not mean to literally ascribe agency to the polyhedron

Jacob Thorne No, Yoloism has pagodas. We have monasteries

I denounce you.

THE ENTROPIC TANK!

Teamwork?? ARE YOU DENSE?! Aren't you aware that tabletop gaming is obviously a Darwinist dong measuring contest where you actively compete against your fellow players in order to prove your superiority as a human being?!

When i roll for something i don't care about: nat 1 When i roll for something i want to do: nat 20 I can't fudge roles it's roll 20

I only buy into superstition when it makes me feel better 😎

"I'm doing my part!"

Mini Link I agreed with that, but by playing dnd you are controlled by the dice, and I think that’s half the fun, it makes you have multiple plans for an attack, but other people also have been upset before, so it just isn’t fun

@@nefhelimwhat609 well that's the point. I as a DM try to find ways to say yes, Mini is right there is nothing fun about playing a character that you put so much time into just to have everyone else either put to the side in RP or cant do anything in combat. Yes its a risk versus reward, but you should reward players for being creative. So i always go in my campaign that failure never means a straight up whiff and skip turn. depending on how bad you fail it could be anything from being poisoned, to being knocked prone, or having your weapon disarmed, being stunned, or taking more damage. This way a player still gets to do what they want, but they still fail. Because i as a player, nothing, and i mean nothing is worse a feeling then waiting and watching everyone do something and then its my turn only to be told "ooh. sorry man. better luck next time" and then everyone else do something cool and kill the bad guy. It makes you feel like an outsider, like why did you even bother to show up? This doesn't mean though that i support tantrums or people getting UNREASONABLY upset. It's still a game, and your supposed to be with friends.

At the same time The players need to understand that this is a game that uses dice to simulate randomness and your chance to roll a 20 is just as likely as your chance to roll a 1. Yes you can get frustrated or upset at it. But at the same time all the planning in the world has also has to include the possibility of failure

If a player has a particularly cool turn planned like the one Jacob described or if someone attempts something particularly creative, I just say, "awesome plan, take an inspiration and apply it to any roll this turn or hold on to it if you wish." If they already had inspiration I give them the inspiration anyway except it expires at the end of their turn. For me, creativity and heroic actions in combat that enhance the fiction are totally worthy of tipping the scales. Inspiration is the perfect vehicle for that.

@@nefhelimwhat609 I'm always on the verge of rolling up a lucky halfling divination wizard and all it will take to push me over the edge is one of my characters dying due to bad luck.

I see a fellow intelectuall

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Imagine the DM changing the games Math for two or three ingame days so ones are twenties now and twenties are ones

The beginning story was honestly awful because it never once mentioned the player getting upset or making his displeasure known to the DM or party.

I couldnt continue watching because of the opening. It describes me, my brother’s, my dad, my friends, and anyone I play with online. In dnd and in competitive games like CSGO, Overwatch, LoL, and in real life sports, just to be called selfish? Im sorry, but when you can not do anything for an entire game, where you put in your time to have fun for a few hours, and nothing fun comes of it, of course people will get frustrated and mad

The History Nerd here‘s the difference: the person did do things in the game, the only thing they didn’t do was get the final hit, but it’s not like they got kill stole during a 1v1, their entire team was there. Getting kills in DnD means even less than it does in other games, so if you’re only going to have fun if you get the final blow, that’s just your problem. You shouldn’t be playing team games *with new people*, because that’s not an okay way to be. This example given, the failure chain was frustrating, but that was not even the entire session, one failure chain is not the entire fight, and they were only THAT annoyed because they didn’t get the final hit in a meaningless fight, against an enemy that wasn’t even super-plot relevant/a BBEG.

@@bromora989 But the beginning story was hot garbage. First, it never once said anything about the player saying anything at the table. Not once did they say ruined anyone elses fun. The story was "He planned out something really cool, something he could have been planning the whole fight and it went horribly wrong, made an ass of his character, and was left feeling upset because of it." That's an understandable series of events.

@@thehistorynerd8537 Not just selfish, you're also apparently ridiculous for even daring to feel anything other than happy.

I like nat 1 being a critical failure but I hate when dms make you attack yourself/party members. You should just fail spectacularly but not kill your friends

That's a house rule. By the mechanics of the game, nothing happens when you roll a one you just miss. I turn crits into a new role play moment - "describe how your character eats shit"

@@KaitouKaiju Yeah that's when it's fun, hurting yourself isn't

Yeah a DM shouldn't make you hurt your allies when you get a 1, that's just mean

@@tylerjames6701 Gotta walk away from bs tables like that

too*

Too

Rogue: "Haha! And you call yourself a warrior!" *proceeds to miss the attack miserably*

@@Not_Ciel warrior: Well at least i can heal haha (rolls 1)

@@khajiithaswares4147 Well, at least their nose isn't bleeding *as much* now.

looks very awkward to film from though

I was going to write exactly that!

It's more relaxing until the camera falls off the tripod.

@@Scorpious187 ouch

Oh shit

Personally as a DM no TPK is accidental. You have everything in your power to fudge damage and rolls in experimental encounters

@@mr6ttv I say accidental because he admitted afterwards that he didn’t mean for that to happen

The important thing to remember is to not make it awkward for the group. Also, it's important to remember how new the player is. Sometimes, with people who just have constant bad luck (like me lol) that if they are new, they just want to do the "hero" thing they want their characters to do, because that's kind of the point of the game. It's really cool if a DM knows if the player is having some bad rolls over and over, and makes a compromise to where the player succeeds, but at a cost to the player.

@@Veckoza The scenario that he describes in this video was completely internal, though, and didn't affect the other players at all. There was no flip out, there was no awkwardness at the table. He is literally reprimanding someone for being upset internally that they failed at something. This is one of the most arrogant videos I've ever seen, he's strongly implying that if you don't approach every single failure with open-mouth guffaws then you're ruining the game for everyone else. You being upset internally, even if you don't express it at all, is ruining his game.

@@ethanmcmaster2994 No... 2:27. He just clarified that it's okay to be upset because of shit like that, but to take it out on everyone at the table isn't ok.

@@Veckoza Prior to that though, at the very beginning of the video, he outlines a situation in which the person doesn't have any outward reaction to it at all, he didn't say anything about them bothering other players, or demanding leniency, all he says it "It left a bad taste in your mouth". He then calls that situation, the situation in which the person is only upset internally, selfish and ridiculous.

@@ethanmcmaster2994 I know... that's why I said he clarified that later in the video. He said it's okay to be upset about it. I'm sure he meant to expand on the first part and say the player was outwardly upset about it. This is exactly why you can't have someone testify against themselves in court. "HE SAID X" Ok, well, he also said Y.

Just take Lucky feat :D

@@christerad1669 or pick a halfling, I rolled over 13 time a 1 on a d20 in just 6 sessions

I was in a game with a Dragonborn Fighter once. He says a prayer to his god Bahamut while making a major roll, but has a Freudian slip and shouts "Praise Tiamat!" Nat 1.

@@dapperghastmeowregard oof!

@@sergioorlando1830 My halfling ranger just died because I rolled 2 nat 1s in a row on my death saves. Big sad :(

lol, was thinking the same.

Guess Jacob homebrewed that away with only an attack

This

i once had an entire two session spanning encounter where my character made no impact on the fight at all, what so ever due to most of my rolls being bad and my good rolls turning out to be pointless due to factors i did not know, its stuff like this that makes me love roleplaying and doing weird crazy stuff

wish there was a way of translating D&D’s d20 based mechanics into a dice sum system (3d6 is a simple alternative). In my opinion, it makes the game a lot more realistic, as things you have skill on are much more reliable than that of a d20 system, but things you dont have a skill on are much less reliable than that of a d20 system. Penalties and bonus also mean more than those of a d20 system as the dice sum spread out in a bell like fashion, making so that the GM doesn’t have to rely on advantages and disadvantages as their only viable tool to adjust the challenge of a particular task. The sum would also massively reduce the issue of “the frail wizard managed to knock down the door that the strong barbarian couldn’t because it rolled a nat 20 while the barbarian didn’t”.

@@ericsleegers3191 had 2 sessions in a pathfinder game, as a completely new player to d&d and pathfinder: i played a magus, missed literally everything, and every enemy that attacked me hit, there was not a single miss, not to mention that i suffered 2 crits. i was down for more than half the time, and the time i was up i was flailing around my scimitar like a drunk toddler. needless to say, i didn't bring any glory to Sarenrae.

this exactly but for me it was rolling less than an 8 for initiative for *5 sessions in a row* but that was before I got my own dice and now I'm chill

Not too long ago i was in a one shot and rolled 3 nat 1's in a row. I wasn't upset just frustrated cause that night I couldn't roll above a 10 to save my life.

Had a friend who would consistently roll 1s or just low in general, we recommended getting some new dice because these ones were from a cheap bulk set but he insisted the dice were fine. Eventually he started getting like visibly upset and mopey about his rolls and i finally said something to the DM about it, next time it happened he got a bit loud with reaction to the roll and DM straight up told him to cut it out and that it's just a game

I DM, and last night one of the higher level epic bad guys kept rolling consistent fucking 1s for damage. Damage output scaled way back from something like 25 a hit to 10.

You sure your dice aren't loaded for 1s? And which way my condolences

I was fighting a fellow player to (In character) find out how useful they'll really be in combat (had just met this replacement character, and all was agreed on) The dude rolled 7 of 10 natural 1s, and the other 3 rolls were all less than 5. My rogue is now convinced the barbarian cannot fight.

I felt that he came off this way throughout the entire video, and it was really annoying.

Except if a failed roll is going to ruin your night, you're not having fun anyway. And why roll a dice at all, if failure isn't an option? If you want an epic fight, where everything succeeds, go right ahead. Just don't bring dice into it.

@@HPgirl You missed the point. It's not about whether you fail or not, it's about how you fail. How you fail in DnD is due to a dice roll, random chance. Players would only be upset over bad luck if it happened consistently, if they weren't able to contribute anything to the fight, or if it got their character killed off. In most other games, you could actually learn from your mistake, but in DnD, you can fail and it still wouldn't be your fault, but you still have to pay the consequences anyway.

seconded

That's clearly a case of the DM being a dick

Had a friend tell me he never wants to play DnD ever again because the first and last time he played, he tried talking to a guy in the tavern he started in, but rolled a natural 1 with a diplomacy check. The DM just insta-killed him without any rolls. I don't understand why DMs do that. Like, seriously? You're ruining people's fun just to piss them off.

@@Tinkuwu Because most bad DMs are people with zero power or initiative in their own life so they get their kicks out of asserting dominance over their players. Self-inserting, insta-killing, doing creepy and weird things like introducing rapists as NPCS, it's all done as a way to put themselves above their players, as if the very idea that a player might find a way to thwart their carefully crafted, poorly-balanced cringe-fest is the worst thing in the world.

@@Tinkuwu That probably arose because we all know the rule that "Nat 1 means worst case scenario." As a DM, that's an intimidating goal. People often go overboard in that scenario. The thing is, it doesn't actually have to be *worst* case scenario. In that situation, I would likely make it that the NPC is somehow offended, leaves the character, refuses to talk to them, and anyone associated with that character who tries to talk to the NPC would get disadvantage on diplomacy checks. If it did get to violence (which I doubt was necessary) it would not be instakill. I mean, this is some rando at a tavern. At absolute worst they use a bandit stat, if not more likely a commoner. They would do a small amount of damage.

I like what Brennan does and allows his players to narrate their actions, especially whether they crit fail or succeed.

What are the odds of that happening?

@@eh8164 Possible, apperently. Random number generators can be surprisingly uncooperative.

I think nobody is argueing that but having it happen 5 times in a row can get old

I agree. I understand what Jacob is trying to say, but there's a difference between minrolling on a crit/not rolling well and literally not being able to do anything. I recently played a session where three of us had to fight a demon mind-controlling an entire town of people. First turn, the rouge got Power Word Stun in his face and he was out for about 4 rounds. The wizard was being mind-controlled and I had to counterspell everything she tried to do. Me, as the only remaining party member, had to solo the entire fight because the wizard and the rouge kept rolling bad on the saves. The rouge was pissed and annoyed, and he had every reason to be. I would be pissed if I literally had to sit down for 4 rounds because I kept failing a con save. I'm not saying people should take out their frustration on others, but you're right in saying it's not an accurate blanket statement. Not everyone is an overreacting salt boy, but even the most patient people have their limits. Nothing is fun or interesting when the party gets TPKed first session by ghouls because of bad rolls.

Yeah there's a lot of situations where you can't do anything. Even if you're not outright losing, not being able to do anything (or only having one option) isn't fun, you're not playing a game. Early game there's little healing so being down usually means staying down for the rest of the fight. It's always frustrating going down that second turn because of a crit, being stabilised and then waiting for your friends to finish the fight.

Thank you for this comment

The message of i got was "don't focus on your failure so much that it consumes you". I mean you can feel whatever you feel but you should be looking ahead to whats next instead of sitting on the floor moping. Turn your eyes forward to the new path layed out before you.

I believe the best takeaway is that instead of getting frustrated that none of your rolls or good, turn it into something entertaining, like a joke about how you fell, for example. It is a game, but the point is to have fun with your friends, and finding ways to enjoy bad rolls is the best way to get the most fun out of dnd.

Imagine making up such a ridiculous strawman...

@@ZeroKitsune no, thats pretty much what he said. "your a bad person, and should be kicked out if you don't have a good time playing DND"

If you have to roll well to have fun though then you're playing D&D to win, not to tell a story with your friends. Which is fine, but not if you let your feelings about poor rolls ruin the fun others are having. This video was just sharing a way that works for some for making low rolls just as integral and fun as high ones, in the hope that it might help some people.

@@BeaDSM i know this is a necro comment but you missed the point, he wasn't saying he has to roll high constantly to have fun, but that he shouldn't be seen as a selfish dick because he cant do literally anything for eight hours and is told to laugh it off

@@BeaDSM your dice rolls can definitly hurt your ability to participate in that story telling. like, yeah, you can turn those failures into something funny, but you still end up having no agency where the story goes. and also, to be fair to melon, he did start the video by basically saying "if you get upset at all over bad luck, youre selfish" and while thats obviously just a hook to draw people in and is elaborated upon later, it definitely starts you off thinking that hes saying youre not allowed to be upset. i feel like its important to have a DM that can pick up on their players are feeling, and maybe give the unlucky players ways to contribute to the story that dont involve skill checks, or have them fail in a way that actually progresses the story. basically, i dont really think the negative feelings are coming from the dice themselves, but more the fact that you feel like youre unable to contribute to the story in any meaningful way.

@@ckopen7192 especially when you roll extremely unluckily on ur stats so ur bard ends up with negative charismas lmao

@@kaiseremotion854 yeah that shits annoying. tho most dm's i play with let us take an 18 in our classes main stat, so luckily i dont gotta deal with that one too much

that's why a perspective change can be good, my table doesn't have anyone bottle up their emotions to keep everyone chill, we just look at the bad dice rolls as opportunities... opportunities to get to roleplay a tough situation or to strategize even harder cuz the plan we had didn't work, time to start planning plan C guys. It can be fun for everyone even if they fail if your group just has the perspective that the game is for fun, and if you fail a roll then hmm how do we turn that into a fun experience, it may be a really hilarious joke or a crafty strategy, whatever it is we just don't see failed rolls as an inherently bad thing to get upset about, but yes if we did then we would let that anger or frustration out in a healthy way and the group would be sympathetic and we'd all get through it together.

Only... it's not. It's something that's just expected from adult humans for their entire lives. You deal with what life throws at you, and don't take those feelings out on people who don't deserve it. You don't ruin other people's day just because you feel bad. That's spiteful, and it's wrong, and you're a bad person if you make a habit out of that.

Dont Misunderstand bruh getting frustrated at bad rolls is completely natural. What you choose to do with that frustration is what matters

@@kodycox6780 You try being competitive for once. Some of us here like to nick the fuckers in the back, and run an epic like no other. We hate to get low roles, more so we hate to get bad outcomes. Having a "funny moment", isn't fun for us unless we actually want to mess about and have fun. Having our plans screwed over is piss and shit. If a general has his operative matters squashed and has to recycle his units into a secondary formation, he's damn well gonna be pissed about it. Same here. Not everyone is some happy go-lucky fuckers, some of us play this to win. We rp a lot, we crack our jokes, but some like me want to crush the enemy. And getting shit roles is piss and shit next to all. Some of us take our combat seriously, as a chess player that's what this is to me when it comes down to rolling. Not fucking about like a bunch of gits.

@@StarWarsftw12 I've never, in my life, heard of, or read before "competitive dnd", but I'm not very into it. With that said, if you want to win, cool, that YOU. If your table wants to win, fine too. But if you are in a table of chill people, wanting to narrate a history with their friends (playing dnd), you being a "I want to win" person is just as toxic as your comment. There's no bad opinion, but there are unecesarilly violent ones, and yours is one also: what's "to win" in dnd? yours is different than mine

It's come to RPGs a few years ago actually, just not D&D. The Cypher System, Burning Wheel, Dungeon World, etc all have ways to reward failure, to 'fail forward' as it were.

I would prefer a "Losing can also be fun" because it's not always fun and you should aim for the best outcome, but I get your idea.

As a game designer, I’ve been loving that idea for a while.

it is in rpgs, you just have to make it fun.

@@Atsu333 Not quite the same dude. I'm talking about a culture of self-made fun as opposed to system that has some compensation or benefit to failure. Such culture has existed in games like Dwarf Fortress for example.

That’s fair

This is why I used to build my characters around making other people do shit for me through a combination of bard skills, sorcery skills or wizard jedi mind tricks and massive charisma. Well, atleast I DID until I was banned from ever playing a bard again by my D&D group after utilising said skills to make myself the defacto banker and item distributor of a party of new players.

@@ButterBoyism thats also why playing Martial is less fun than caster, you don't get to have options.

@@WitheringAuroraI'd personally agree since I don't enjoy the combat aspect that much. But I've known plenty of players who wont play anything but a martial class and who 20+ years after starting D&D still thinks combat is the best part! The most fun for me is when we homebrew and I am allowed to use mind fuckery on NPCs and other players (within reason) to basically manipulate and scheme my way through a game without fighting.

Depending on what you add to acrobatics, I think it would be fair not to make you roll. I’d imagine a low DC10 or so, and if your character is as you described, you shouldn’t really be able to fail that since even a 1 on a d20 isn’t an automatic failure for an ability check in 5e. The only reason I wouldn’t want you to roll is because we both know, mathematically, the task is impossible for you to fail if you add at least 9 to acrobatics. However, I think requiring some sort of check is important. It’s reasonable to think that maybe your Life cleric in full plate who has a -1 to acrobatics could fail. It encourages each of you to take advantage of your characters’ strengths and weaknesses.

A nat 1 for a circus performer dropping down 10 feet would be like make a noise or pull a muscle or something Even circus performers may fall on their face sometimes. Sure, it's incredibly rare, but not impossible

That was my first character :D

Death is part of the game.

@@thothamon9046 It is about how death is handled that is the problem most often. In my earliest games in 5e, dying without being ressurected meant that I was starting all over again at level 1 on my next character while the others were levels ahead. Eventually enough people would die so that the party was mostly underleveled, while the endboss could fire Disintegrate on us based on her spell list.

@@octapusxft You might as well be speaking a different language when talking about the focus of your game. Youd be under leveled? Why are new characters starting at level 1 and why is the DM assuming you need some perfect balance for a "boss encounter". Tabletop games gained a few things with the rise of video games, but lost so much more. You might as well be talking about an MMO

This is where it's the game master's responsibility to make it fun. For my players, in the setting I've crafted, death means being made into a martyr. Character death has a noticeable impact on the narrative and the world moving forward, with your dead character's actions and values shaping the actions and values of the NPCs. I've also made it a "fail forward" in that if your new character is somebody following in the deceased's example, they can take one of the deceased character's playbook moves for free at character creation.

Plebeian*

"Thanks for denting my 200$ table, prick"

@@faijro9260 Don't hate the player hate the dice.

@@faijro9260 That's what dice trays are for. If you're gonna bring metal or gem dice, imo, you're obligated to also bring your own dice tray. Unless you're the host and it's your table, then you can make that call for yourself.

I melt mine down from Jolly Ranchers. Any die that rolls nat 1 gets devoured immediately as punishment.

That's where I'm at with it. My feelings make me selfish? Literally just feeling Salty about bad luck is selfish now because you can't have your own thoughts, apparently. It's one thing to sigh and groan: Flipping the table or being a dick about it is what ruins the game for everyone.

@@shonwooten6550 Yeah definitely didn't pose the situation correctly, I don't think. Just being upset can be a quiet experience while you still uplift other people in your party for picking up the "slack" for lack of a better word. Now being outwardly upset and ruining the game with a bad attitude for everyone to experience would be pretty lame.

@@johnnysake8052 being outwardly upset and ruining the game are not the same thing

@@9553shadow arguable, though mostly true. Some people would be put off with it, so it would ruin their game. That's my take on it. It might not be yours but people are put off by excessive complaint. That's just how it is. I'm not arguing with the fact that you can't be upset about a bad roll, bc you can lmao. But if you're excessively complaining out loud about a roll, bruh who are you complaining to? The gods of chance? No one can do anything about it.

@@johnnysake8052 again being outwardly upset is not the same as what you are talking about. What you are describing is being a whiny bitch. Being outwardly upset is saying "fuck this shit" or "this is bullshit" or something similar, and just being unenthusiastic. Not endlessly complaining.

Me, as a DM: Yeah, nah, got nothing planned. I'm just covering for Phil tonight. He's gotta watch his kids be Rudolph the Reindeer or something. So... Lost Mines, pre-made sheets.

I know this is a year old but: Is simply why I'll be king undisputed, respected, saluted and seen for the wonder I am!

Are you referring to the opening situation? Because handing XP to the one who gets the killing blow isn't a fair or fun rule

Never played with xp. Game would become too much of a game and not enough of a story.

It doesn't seem like this was about EXP at all. If the Wizard last hits the big bad after you fail to hit it, you and the Wizard both get the same amount of EXP. And treasure (in most group dynamics). They get the glory of the kill, but you were there too.

@@GoblinUrNuts I love how your words could be twisted to: "EXP is fine as long as you just use milestone levelling instead" But I get what you mean. It's like using milestone levelling, and then converting milestones into smaller bits and assinging numerical values to the portions. That's what EXP is anyway. And I agree, that's the way we would use EXP too. There's just no need for us to let players know how close they are for a level up. The story progression is obvious enough that nobody is surprised about levelups, nor does anyone "hunt for xp"

@@yargolocus4853 I use xp to judge how far along my players are. If they just go try to get the wizard laid for a session there not gaining xp. If they go do a shit ton of side quests they get xp for that. If they talk there way out of an encounter they get xp for that. I dont really set mile stones so this just lets me kind of track the groups progress.

@Regular Slime well yes, but actually no, while if you're mad you should still keep it to yourself, but sometimes you can't just not be upset depending on what kind of person you are, some can't control heir emotions so easily (speaking from past experiences ofc)

@@darkos1012 dis an rpg tho

@@mikehunt4830 Ye, being invested gives way for emotional stimulation

Crucially, it's "Just stop being upset about the things you can't control."

it's a little bit more like "be a reasonable adult and don't vomit your negativity on other people" Being upset is ok, taking it out on other people is not. Anger management is an important skill for a lot in life, not just D&D

This video has pretty solid advice in the latter half, but the intro of the video feels pretty dismissive. He gives an extreme example of a player getting mad at trying and failing to do something cool/stupid with very clear high risks and high rewards. If that happened to me I'd be laughing my ass off, not getting mad. I get mad when I fail a dexterity saving throw and get injured by random falling rocks when I have a high Dexterity, or when I fail 4 persuasion rolls in a row when my highest skill is persuasion. Not even nat1s, just boring normal fails. It just makes my character look like an incompetent bumbling idiot who's completely useless to the party, and not in ways I can spin into a funny story like the example he actually gave.

TheLastCoolGuyOnEarth stuff like that is sadly up to your DM to handle. Personally, I believe that your highest roll should always see you do well. If you’re trying to sneak up behind an enemy and get a bad roll, you shouldn’t be tumbling forward making cartoon noises and alerting every enemy within a 1 mile radius. If you’re a sweet-talking bard wanting to bed a woman you find on the last night of a festival, you shouldn’t be biting your tongue and stuttering your words. If you’re a fighter or barbarian and you try to carry something that’s obviously within your capacity to lift, you shouldn’t be standing there all ass-up and red-faced like you’re Flat Stanley trying to lift a boulder. If you roll bad on sneak, then it should be your clothes catch on something or you kick a rock you didn’t notice and that alerts enemies to your presence. If you roll bad on your seduction, have the woman already be married or engaged. If you roll bad on a strength check, play it off like you lost your grip or tried lifting it before you could firmly get whatever it is between your hands. One session I rolled a nat 1 on my acrobatics check for a sneak attack and I fell from the raised platform I’d been wanting to drop down onto the enemy from and broke my neck. DM brought me back next session with bad spinal injuries, because even though he used dice to determine the outcome he knew it was a cheap punishment for a bad roll.

@@davidpotts7116 Not imagen Not just you being upset at the bad string of rolls, but the other players who get mad and aggrovated who start talking trash about your character both In and Out of game.

If people want to play DnD because they want to feel powerful, they're playing it for the wrong reasons imo. Sure you can be powerful, but it's not a guarantee with the dice being such a deciding and random variable. You know this going in, which makes it completely ridiculous to get angry over it. Players like that need to be sat down properly and figure out whether DnD is really for them.

@@lysanthir7231 who are you to tell them that their fun is wrong... when you kill a dragon with your axe you feel powerfull and some people play the game for these moment, if you like the roleplay part more its good for you but not everyone need to have the same opinion / taste

That's BRILLIANT THANK YOU SO MUCH

Faulty warforged. Anxious monk. Overconfident wizard. It´s great to fail, you get to explore different sides of characters

This. This, right here. I think one thing that's heavily understated is that, by their nature, roleplaying systems that revolve around chance are made to "simulate" characters whose actions also depend on chance. When John Wick gets in a gunfight with like a bazillion armed thugs or whatever, his chances of succeeding an individual attack or ducking under a shot is so high that it doesn't even make sense to describe it with chance. He's so good at fighting that almost everything he does during a fight is pre-planned and calculated, which makes describing the success of his plans using chance feel out of touch and dumbed down. DnD, and basically every single dice-based system, just isn't made for characters like that. If you want to play a character that doesn't ordinarily slur their words, trip an alarm or miss their attacks, you might wanna look into freeform roleplaying instead.

A rouge who is super compelled by greed, who was raised on the streets without parents or schooling, so he's both illiterate and uneducated.

Bugger off, you cannot tell me what to do. I enjoy playing characters I deem good on all ends, that's just my playstyle. I like to mimic characters whom are presented in media like Aragorn, The Witcher, Ezio, Edward, etc. Adding some random faults is nothing of interest to me.

It’s not even part of the Rules of 5e that you hit other players so unless it’s part of another edition, that’s called making a asshole home rule

You should bring this up with your DM or get a new group. Though it's been 11 months since you commented so maybe you've sorted it out? Idk

Your DM shouldn't make your attack hit your ally if you roll a nat 1. That's just mean. Auto-miss is punishment enough.

I don't get DMs making you hit your party. Explaining how your character misses and eats shit is punishment enough. If the players have agreed to friendly fire then sure, but just as a house rule it's ridiculous.

i understand that feeling. where you've already rolled so badly and consistently that you kinda stop caring because you assume that you will fail you literally just keep rolling on the premise that statistically you are just as likely to roll a 20 as a 1

Eum... Thanks I guess.

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