Belgian GP Talking Points - PU Penalties and Massive Speed

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Chain Bear

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Жыл бұрын

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@bukharijabarazman2700
@bukharijabarazman2700 Жыл бұрын
Ferrari at the 1st half of the season: Horrible strategy, great car… Ferrari at the 2nd half: Ummm…
@tjenadonn6158
@tjenadonn6158 Жыл бұрын
Ferrari at this point is just Williams with delusions of grandeur. The only thing they gave going for them is their history, and there isn't a Historian's Championship.
@bukharijabarazman2700
@bukharijabarazman2700 Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 I feel like it is a trend, Ferrari winning championships. Remember when Ferrari fans waited an eternity from 1983 to 1999 for Ferrari to win any championship, I think we’re at the stage of 1991, good car, horrible everything else…
@NothingXemnas
@NothingXemnas Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 At this rate, their F1-75 will be in the 2023 Monaco Historique LOL
@christopheroconnor4665
@christopheroconnor4665 Жыл бұрын
@@bukharijabarazman2700 I've been saying that for ages.
@phenix2403
@phenix2403 Жыл бұрын
Question?
@SamAshworth91
@SamAshworth91 Жыл бұрын
"Ferrari attempted to play silly buggers" could just be your season review.
@JohnSmithShields
@JohnSmithShields Жыл бұрын
Brilliant 👏
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
I mean they kinda did the opposite when you look at the season as a whole. Build a really fast car and then drive it with no strategy at all. Edit: What I mean is it's the opposite of being too clever and cheeky. Just incredibly stupid and unimaginative.
@theglitch312
@theglitch312 Жыл бұрын
They didn't just attempt to play silly buggers. They were silly buggers.
@Narmatonia
@Narmatonia Жыл бұрын
I expect that Hamilton would have been penalised if he were still in the race, but they just didn't deem it severe enough to give a grid penalty
@AndreSomers
@AndreSomers Жыл бұрын
He deserved some penalty points imo. No other penalties needed as he retired anyway and Alonso continued, but it should have been stated clearly who was at fault here.
@robertharrington703
@robertharrington703 Жыл бұрын
@@AndreSomers I agree with this. You shouldn't get away without licence points you would otherwise just because you retired or something bad happened to you, but there's precedence for it sadly
@WillowCreative
@WillowCreative Жыл бұрын
i think so aswell, and the first lap excuse was just a curated reason for them to handle it this way. I do think retirement (and possibly having to replace PU components due to the smash and take penalties at zandvoort) is enough of a punishment
@jcskyknight2222
@jcskyknight2222 Жыл бұрын
I dunno, we've had some pretty questionable moves go unquestioned this season almost just because there wasn't any contact. Had both cars carried on happily I think they would have still called it as a racing incident.
@WillowCreative
@WillowCreative Жыл бұрын
@@jcskyknight2222 good point, perez at silverstone and again belgium forced people off a lot of times
@UncleRJ
@UncleRJ Жыл бұрын
8:52 No need to imagine it. Checo was quite disheartened at the result (you could see it and hear it during the interview afterwards) and I can't really blame him. Poor guy, but P2 is an amazing result despite having no significant actions on track except during the start. He was cruising on his own himself, though not as chill as Max.
@rjfaber1991
@rjfaber1991 Жыл бұрын
His strategy was rather ruined by Red Bull stopping him early to hold up Leclerc (and how endearing it is that they thought the Ferraris posed any threat), but the team won't really care. They got a dominant one-two, and unfortunately Checo will just have to deal with that. It does hurt as a Checo fan, but then again, if it wasn't for Red Bull he wouldn't have a seat in F1 at all anymore, so I can put up with it.
@UncleRJ
@UncleRJ Жыл бұрын
@@rjfaber1991 Same bruh. I'm still thankful of RB for giving him a long chance but it doesn't diminish the sting in the heart that he is not of high priority. Though, they are very fortunate that he is such an amazing team player.
@mcduckington
@mcduckington Жыл бұрын
@@rjfaber1991 Okay, but he also couldn't do anything about Sainz, who was admittedly struggling on his tyres. Red Bull gets a lot of shit for giving Max the preferential treatment, but what team wouldn't? He gets the job done, and he got the job done here as well.
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
Checo has been competitive with Max on some circuits this year, that's about the best he can hope for. Similar to Bottas' old position at Merc but at least there's no pressure to beat Max.
@1whatever33
@1whatever33 Жыл бұрын
@@rjfaber1991 his pace was shit at the first stint lol, he was suffering with deg
@bukharijabarazman2700
@bukharijabarazman2700 Жыл бұрын
Technically, if Max, who has proven that he can win from lowly grid positions, then Red Bull can, in theory, have Max take a new PU component at EVERY race (or multiple) and still win both Championships…
@tjenadonn6158
@tjenadonn6158 Жыл бұрын
At this point RB could have Max race on a fucking unicycle and still win both championships.
@bukharijabarazman2700
@bukharijabarazman2700 Жыл бұрын
@@tjenadonn6158 Pain, that is, pain…
@t.k3579
@t.k3579 Жыл бұрын
Well well well, then I guess it's not about the car when red bull's "golden boy" wins, that only applies to Lewis isn't it?
@endreszentgyorgyi5270
@endreszentgyorgyi5270 Жыл бұрын
@@t.k3579 if we see 8 more years of red bull dominance like belgium and ppl are still say “its the driver” yea i think ppl will criticize
@t.k3579
@t.k3579 Жыл бұрын
@@endreszentgyorgyi5270 That just tells you all about the double standard and hipocrisy of this sport's fanbase 😂
@benmatthews460
@benmatthews460 Жыл бұрын
5:04 I don’t think that this is exactly the case, because the reason why Bottas started ahead of everyone with BOTG penalties was due to the PU and Gearbox penalties being seperate I think
@TheAmbition23
@TheAmbition23 Жыл бұрын
I believe the "Back of the grid" designation is only for PU elements? That would explain why Bottas had a 20 place grid penalty instead of BOTG (+15 for PU, +5 for gearbox).
@benmatthews460
@benmatthews460 Жыл бұрын
@@TheAmbition23 yea that’s my thinking but the example given was 15 places for PU and 3 places for blocking or causing a collision ect. , so that’s why I mentioned it
@ikercalderon163
@ikercalderon163 Жыл бұрын
The spanish narration team said that the back of the grid penalization refers only to power unit penalizations, not other types of penalizations. So if you change your gearbox 4 times and get penalized 20 positions you won't be sent to the BotG. They said it was a formal error while writing the rules (it was in the PU part written) but it goes against the spirit of the rule, so very probably they will change for next year, if not for the netherlands
@alexandreolle2340
@alexandreolle2340 Жыл бұрын
If we base our championship prediction on the average points per race scored so far by each driver, Max should win the title in Japan (so in 4 races with another 4 races to go). To be more specific, out of the current 6 drivers other than Max who can still be champion: - Leclerc and Perez would be the last ones out of the contention after Japan (so in 4 races) - Carlos, George and Lewis would be out after Singapour (so in 3 races) - Lando would be out after Zandvoort (so in 1 race)
@rohanbatra69
@rohanbatra69 Жыл бұрын
The moment I heard crofty struggling with explaining penalties, I knew this needs a Chain Bear video.
@aishwarygaonkar2601
@aishwarygaonkar2601 Жыл бұрын
Crofty struggles at explaining anything that does not involve British drivers.
@riotact9718
@riotact9718 Жыл бұрын
6:16 this might be the most incomprehensible graph I have ever come across
@JohnSmithShields
@JohnSmithShields Жыл бұрын
Should see some of chain bear's thought experiments
@launchsquid
@launchsquid Жыл бұрын
pretty straightforward I thought, laptimes over lap count, colour coded lines denoting specific drivers, a gap during pitstops. If a given drivers line is lower on any given lap he's going quicker, each gap shows each stint very separately and shows the drivers average laptimes relative to another very clearly and also makes the laptime decrease as fuel burns off very apparent.
@RadeticDaniel
@RadeticDaniel Жыл бұрын
He's usually pretty clear, but this one was really way off
@CreaminFreeman
@CreaminFreeman Жыл бұрын
I'm always impressed by your recreation of events given not being allowed to show footage! The top-down of HAM-ALO is top notch! The GOAT F1 KZfaqr, ladies and gentlemen!
@CallumRSU30
@CallumRSU30 Жыл бұрын
Penalties used to be far sillier, remember Jenson Button at Belgium in fact being sent to the back of the grid THEN needing to immediately take a drive through to make up for the grid penalties he couldn’t take!
@damionlee7658
@damionlee7658 Жыл бұрын
Or scenes of the race starting and cars sitting stationary on the grid for timed penalties because they had more penalties than grid slots available. Not sure which "Genius" at the FIA thought that was a good idea.
@aishwarygaonkar2601
@aishwarygaonkar2601 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why it is quite easy at Spa and they say that it's difficult at Monza. I mean Monza also is easier to overtake Power track right. So why does he say Q. hard for Monza
@camalbee413
@camalbee413 Жыл бұрын
Always love watching your videos after a grand prix weekend keep up the good work
@jkliao6486
@jkliao6486 Жыл бұрын
Ferrari when double stack to secure an easy 1-2 finish: stay out! Ferrari when pit for the fastest lap with high risk low reward: box box!
@lewisweakland
@lewisweakland Жыл бұрын
Hey Chain Bear, just wanted to say thanks for consistently creating thoughtful, informative, and well-presented F1 videos!
@quintuscrinis8032
@quintuscrinis8032 Жыл бұрын
10:35 That chart is quite revealing, shows just how important downforce through the 2nd sector given that Albon was quite a way behind Sainz in qualifying, and even further behind Verstappen and Lecerlc. But more significantly look at the gap from Albon to Latifi - Williams definitely need to find someone new for that second seat.
@Brian_Of_Melbourne
@Brian_Of_Melbourne Жыл бұрын
I was chatting with friends as we watched the race and we didn't know this: What action may the team's mechanics take on the ICE between races WITHOUT incurring a penalty? Rings? Bearings? Disassemble, inspect, & reassemble? Change fluids? Clean lubricant & coolant pathways?
@juanordonezgalban2278
@juanordonezgalban2278 Жыл бұрын
I suspect complete disasemblies, as measuring wear and tear directly is probably very valuabld
@Hoffmann604
@Hoffmann604 Жыл бұрын
I believe they can't do anything to the engines, short of changing fluids, once in use. I recall reading that the engines are effectively sealed and can't be opened up.
@kingofgar101
@kingofgar101 Жыл бұрын
@@Hoffmann604 so the limited power unit thing has nothing to do with bringing costs down then or its just incompetent rules
@Leo.Labine
@Leo.Labine Жыл бұрын
@@kingofgar101 well, using 4-5 pu in a season is still cheaper than using 10+ ...
@Mike_Takumi
@Mike_Takumi Жыл бұрын
It's a Ship of Theseus problem. How many and what parts do you allow them to change out before it's a new engine. NO ONE wants to deal with regulations around that, not FIA figuring out what's okay and what's not, and not teams who will have to do what racing teams do and look for loopholes to use "1" engine all year
@ApothecaryTerry
@ApothecaryTerry Жыл бұрын
Since there is a grid penalty for replacing PU components, is there also one for other components...for example all of the Ferrari strategists?
@dougpowers
@dougpowers Жыл бұрын
I'm not even a huge fan and I just don't see how Max isn't the next Michael Schumacher. His pace was just unreal. He makes no mistakes. His quali is always immaculate. He's like a terminator.
@raulriveros7406
@raulriveros7406 Жыл бұрын
I really liked this video. Nice, clear explanations! I would like you guys to consider talking about the G forces readings during a crash. Mercedes is talking about 45G for Hamilton in Spa 2022, but it looks too little of an accident when compared to the 50G crash Vertappen underwent in Silverstone 2021. Keep the hard work! 💪
@MarVin-dd2hg
@MarVin-dd2hg Жыл бұрын
10:23 That's Raidillon actually.
@ficodecko
@ficodecko Жыл бұрын
I like your videos because when you talk words come out.
@StarTrekGeek47
@StarTrekGeek47 Жыл бұрын
Still want to see you do a bit on why Albon did a race early in the season on just one set of tires (effectively) only stoping for the mandatory change on the very last lap.
@maxiacosta1659
@maxiacosta1659 Жыл бұрын
Youre genious man!
@SmithyOneTwelve
@SmithyOneTwelve Жыл бұрын
Given that we now have a cost cap, is there much remaining need to keep these grid penalties for engine components? The logic in introducing maximum numbers of components and therefore penalties for taking extras was to reduce costs... but now we have a cost cap, so surely teams can now effectively be "trusted" to balance the cost of engine components with everything else to stay under the cost cap? ie. a team could decide to spend a bit extra on additional engine components at the expense of other areas. Thoughts?
@Fuzzy5414
@Fuzzy5414 Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting point. But, I think audibility of introducing new engine components is far easier than tracking expenditures, even for the most trustworthy teams. It would seem to me that there's a lot more opportunity to game the cost cap system.
@zanewong2005
@zanewong2005 Жыл бұрын
But without grid penalty for exceeding PU units, you can imagine that, say Ferrari 2.0, putting all resources into improving the pace rather than reliability. The tactic is so successful, that in 2023 they have an extremely fast package but only the PU is trash. They wouldn't need to bring any aero or suspension update, but they burn a PU every 5 race. This would be an issue for the whole grid, and other teams may follow suit. It would be bad for the environment and for real racing. Also, teams must have been thinking about how to circumvent the budget cap or whatever. The grid penalty is so much easier to implement than the budget cap.
@SemmmmProductions
@SemmmmProductions Жыл бұрын
Also I’m pretty sure certain engine parts are excluded from the cost cap so things would have to be revised
@juanordonezgalban2278
@juanordonezgalban2278 Жыл бұрын
These penalties give us mixed grids with drivers out of their place, wich leads to more interesting racing. I would remove them. Also, 5 engines that last 1 race might be cheaper to develop and produce than an engine that last 5 races, so teams can't be trusted to not use expendable engines
@Excludos
@Excludos Жыл бұрын
Engines are not part of the cost cap. I don't know why it was decided this way, but that's why teams, like Mercedes last year, aren't afraid to buy 11 engines across the season.
@dielegende9141
@dielegende9141 Жыл бұрын
4:58 That is not correct. The stewards explicitly clarified (in that same decision) that back of the grid penalties are excusively for power unit infractions
@gpaje
@gpaje Жыл бұрын
Well, to be honest, Max didn't need to take a new PU, they still have a pool of PUs, but decided to add a 4th to the mix to make sure they had enough to make it to the end of the season without another penalty, while also limiting their points loss of a grid drop at the best track to recover from. I think they nailed it. Charles is likely going to need another PU before the end of the season just to keep racing.
@krisneasham9082
@krisneasham9082 Жыл бұрын
@5:11, they said specifically it only applies to PU penalties. Hence why Bottas did not go back of grid, even with 30 place Grid Penalty.
@greatsageclok-roo9013
@greatsageclok-roo9013 Жыл бұрын
R.e. Alonso and Hamilton... "Where's Hamilton?" "He's out of the race." *"Karma."*
@remigordon5772
@remigordon5772 Жыл бұрын
great video as usual and love the animations and insight, only request is for a dark mode on the background ;)
@wmyates17
@wmyates17 Жыл бұрын
It was interesting to hear Ferrari essentially doing their strategy clearly over the radio, and even asking Leclerc’s opinion on options, just sounded like a big change in approach after recent weeks but basically stops them from being able to surprise anyone
@nathangamble125
@nathangamble125 Жыл бұрын
"at the top of Eau Rouge" That's Raidillon, actually.
@TheWarwar123123
@TheWarwar123123 Жыл бұрын
Came for the PU penalty explained stayed for the race debrief
@K31ran17
@K31ran17 Жыл бұрын
Ferarri putting more time and effort into engine part strategy rather than race strategy.
@KrisRogos
@KrisRogos Жыл бұрын
I think with the Ham/Alo incident there is a precedent for a 5s time penalty in the current race, maybe a license point, rarely a grid drop for the following race as that happens more when the driving was blatantly dangerous and/or took out the other driver. Given Hamilton retired, there was no way to apply a time penalty, and doing anything harsher would be unusually tough when Alonso still finished in the top 5 which is really as high as he would expect to get in a regular race.
@poisonpotato1
@poisonpotato1 Жыл бұрын
Last year Bottas got a grid penalty after causing a crash in Hungary. Didn't take out verstappen but ruined his race
@tjsanders3492
@tjsanders3492 Жыл бұрын
These graphics are so interesting
@InformaticMan630
@InformaticMan630 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video!! But I'm curious, where are you getting all this data? If you could share that information, I would appreciate that :)
@qyxgames
@qyxgames Жыл бұрын
About the comment on 7:30, Ferrari's radio actually said that they thought he would come out in front of Alonso
@joineralbert2493
@joineralbert2493 Жыл бұрын
He did..
@kisselev
@kisselev Жыл бұрын
I feel like max will be crowned champion in suzuka
@gordonn4915
@gordonn4915 Жыл бұрын
I always find the excuse “he was in my blind spot” a bit lame. Putting a sonic sensor on the is cheap. Yes the light will come on when you hug the walls, but that should take about one weekend to get used to.
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the FIA should be looking into this tech given that visibility is so shit on these cars now. It's not perfect, but the mirrors certainly aren't either!
@RadeticDaniel
@RadeticDaniel Жыл бұрын
And then we could stop pretending the mirrors work for anything other than smoke or fire
@nhancao4790
@nhancao4790 Жыл бұрын
Max Verstappen uses his "carving through the field" skill during the Renault days to the fullest extent here
@theglitch312
@theglitch312 Жыл бұрын
That 2018 race at COTA was his best result from the back end of the grid up until this race. He nearly won from 16th or something like that without any safety cars or weird strategy calls by others. Just pure pace.
@keisuketakahasi4584
@keisuketakahasi4584 Жыл бұрын
so if you re getting sent at the back of the grid anyway why not change everything on the car where you would get a penalty normally? also, when exactly needs a car to start from the pitlane?
@robertharrington703
@robertharrington703 Жыл бұрын
I still cannot BELIEVE they didn't close the loophole that you get punished less the more components you take. Merc showed the flaw in the rules perfectly last year and they still did nothing.
@elar6383
@elar6383 Жыл бұрын
nice vid
@MrMattie725
@MrMattie725 Жыл бұрын
Damn, if the fouth place finisher is that slow, the last five must be standing still :o
@Personal_Chizo
@Personal_Chizo Жыл бұрын
Came here to do some Tristan-from-Step-Back-History spotting. :)
@quantumltu
@quantumltu Жыл бұрын
The 5:00 bit is wrong, the >15 = back of the grid applies to PU and ONLY PU penalties, all other penalties are normal ones, no matter how many there end up being. As long as the PU penalties don't go over 15, it's not a back of the grid start no matter what.
@PilotLifeSven
@PilotLifeSven Жыл бұрын
9:57 that's raidillon actually
@badp
@badp Жыл бұрын
5:15 I don't think that's accurate; Bottas had 15+5 grid penalties but they didn't add up to a back of the grid penalty because they were breaches of seperate rules iirc
@SuperFoz
@SuperFoz Жыл бұрын
I just feel bad for the Ferrari mechanics who will have had to rebuild that PU 3 times, and then still get sent to the back
@BKHD605
@BKHD605 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, is your favourite number still 38?
@jeffreywenum9699
@jeffreywenum9699 Жыл бұрын
Where are the Ferrari debriefs those were so good
@KingofClubsMCDLXXXVIII
@KingofClubsMCDLXXXVIII Жыл бұрын
did chain bear just call raidillon, eau rouge?
@batters4718
@batters4718 Жыл бұрын
Max needs 96 points from 7 races to wrap it up. And he can technically win it in Italy given Perez and Leclerc retire and Max wins + FL
@triplecrossproduct8656
@triplecrossproduct8656 Жыл бұрын
2:05 "...70 place grid penalties, which was very silly." Not sure if this is sarcasm? In your 2018 video, it sounded like you prefered the old 2014-7 system... Have you changed your mind, ChainBear?
@chainbear
@chainbear Жыл бұрын
Well the consensus was that it was very silly. I think both have their sillinesses but that's a natural outcome of penalities that add up beyond what's possible
@VykronianF1
@VykronianF1 Жыл бұрын
Why can’t each penalty for a single part is the same not 10 or 5, and the driver with the most grid drops goes to the back, and if there is a tie on penalties, then fastest in quali gets to be in front?
@official_.d3
@official_.d3 Жыл бұрын
To simply this , why not after a 20 place grid penalty u just start from the pit lane
@RadeticDaniel
@RadeticDaniel Жыл бұрын
I mean, you would still need to order the cars in the pit lane somehow, rather than standard pit lane start procedures, but it can work
@kgeaswaran
@kgeaswaran Жыл бұрын
Ferrari got to watch your videos, I'm sure they'll learn
@gen4646
@gen4646 Жыл бұрын
Zho is my favourite driver
@rondlh20
@rondlh20 Жыл бұрын
0:38 There no driver called "Zho", but there is a Chinese driver called "Zhou"
@SadMarinersFan
@SadMarinersFan Жыл бұрын
I'm curious if max can get to 14 wins. Its entirely possible with the form that RB and him have right now.
@MatusP91
@MatusP91 Жыл бұрын
5:10 The more than 15 places counts only PU penalty so Gearbox and Driving penalties (what you used) would not count
@danmiller8152
@danmiller8152 Жыл бұрын
I think they should increase the allowances of pu parts to 5. Then make the penalties more extreme eg: if you replace 1 part over your limit, you start from the pit lane. And make it so that you can’t take more than 1 part over your limit at once. If you replace 2 at once, you start from the pit lane in this and the following race. That will really incentivize teams to actually look after their parts but will also ensure it is possible. Now I feel teams just accept penalties are ‘part of the game’. It also prevents teams from replaying every single component at the same time because it currently has no additional penalty on them.
@qwertyno100
@qwertyno100 Жыл бұрын
leclerc made a dumb mistake, he shouldve let alonso come out ahead out of the pits exit and overtake on the straight, but he came out in front so alonso had the overtake opportunity forcing leclerc to wait to the next lap
@vasilijestankovic123
@vasilijestankovic123 Жыл бұрын
How do you explain Bottas's penalty then?
@kunjalssj
@kunjalssj Жыл бұрын
No video on new engine regulations?
@itsyaboi5861
@itsyaboi5861 Жыл бұрын
Good morning!
@benfulford3943
@benfulford3943 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why merc didn't put Russell on the softs for the last stint. Max made that strategy work (starting on the soft instead of finishing). It was also the strategy that perelli recommended as the fastest strategy. It appeared they were quicker than ferrari. I believe that, if Hamilton hadn't have had a brain fart and smashed into alonso, he would have finished on the podium ahead of the ferraris
@gianniskatsios8033
@gianniskatsios8033 Жыл бұрын
Monza hard to overtake?
@jasperpoon7813
@jasperpoon7813 Жыл бұрын
0:38 I thought it's spelt ZHOU ... XD
@Telescuffle
@Telescuffle Жыл бұрын
3th 😂 3:48
@ddha0000
@ddha0000 Жыл бұрын
it was refreshing to here hamilton admit his mistake. this is very rare, probably only leclerc is the only other driver who would do this. and to also shut down reporters trying to stir the drama from alonso pretty immature comment, also very refreshing.
@ATEC101
@ATEC101 Жыл бұрын
Is Checo even going to get to be Eddie Irvine?
@yspegel
@yspegel Жыл бұрын
The recorded Max speeds.........
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
Max will probably win the championship at Suzuka. Nice for Honda I suppose, even though the car doesn't have their badge on it.
@catchnkill
@catchnkill Жыл бұрын
Isn't this year Red Bulls engines made by Red Bull Power? Honda has transferred the team, tooling, IP everything to Red Bull. It is Red Bull who makes their own engines now. So there is no Honda name now.
@orangepekoe7096
@orangepekoe7096 Жыл бұрын
@@catchnkill nope, Honda still supply engines to RB and AT.
@PrisOwner16
@PrisOwner16 Жыл бұрын
@@catchnkill That was the plan, but it was later changed. Honda is still making the engines, but it's an RBPT branded engine. That deal will last until the end of 2025, before the new engine regulations.
@catchnkill
@catchnkill Жыл бұрын
@@orangepekoe7096 It is not the original plan I read last year. It should be an arrangement change this year to prepare for Porsche engine supply from 2026 onward. If Red Bull makes their own engine using Honda IP, it will be difficult to prevent Red Bull to leak some Honda engine secret to Porsche. It is better to let Honda to make engines now.
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
@@catchnkill If you look at the RB18 there's a small HRC Honda Racing logo at the back of the "coke bottle" near the rear exhaust. This is because the PU is still actually 100% Honda, even if the Honda board of directors has decided to keep it low key. 🤷
@ft-rj
@ft-rj Жыл бұрын
Not all penalties accumulate - see Bottas' +20...
@selder_7
@selder_7 Жыл бұрын
I don’t get why they didn’t change every component at once for Verstappen. In for a penny
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
Almost certainly related to cost cap, inventory, development, or all of the above
@karacop78
@karacop78 Жыл бұрын
Italians being Italians - I don't blame them, I'm Greek - instead of doing extra work in the summer break, they went to the sea. When they came back at Spa, their minds were still at the sea, so here we are. They were always like this except the years of "working in fear" of Todt. Also, Elkann's mentality is kinda "corporate", totally in contrast of Old Man's and his heir Luca Di Montezemolo's racing mentality. Maybe I'm wrong but this is the feeling I get for the last 10-12 years of Ferrari racing (and manufacturing).
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
Then you have Merc busting their asses over the break and having nothing to show for it. At least the Ferrari folks got a real break...
@ufukccelik
@ufukccelik Жыл бұрын
Come on mate, spell Zhou's name right. (Constructive feedback, love your work!)
@ColtAlabama
@ColtAlabama Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t deserve it.
@guilhem3739
@guilhem3739 Жыл бұрын
@@ColtAlabama Why that Clot Abalama?
@sherlockmaverick
@sherlockmaverick Жыл бұрын
Yeah, especially since he manages Zhou in F1 Manager 2022!
@asdjkhasdhjasd
@asdjkhasdhjasd Жыл бұрын
Do you write your own subtitles?
@srjt1684
@srjt1684 Жыл бұрын
Are power unit component limits even necessary any more now that there is a cost cap in F1? Why not let the teams make as many as they can afford within the budget - potentially as an alternative to producing upgrades if necessary.
@chicobicalho5621
@chicobicalho5621 Жыл бұрын
It is clear by now that, even if Ferrari hadn't botched so many strategic moves, or if Leclerc hadn't made the mistakes he made, even then Leclerc would have had no chance against Verstappen this year. It is important to remember that, whenever Leclerc won, Verstappen finished a close second, that is except when the Red Bull broke down early in the season. In the best of circumstances Leclerc wouldn't come close to matching Verstappen as Hamilton did last year. So, is this the beginning of another Red Bull dominance as it happened between 10 and 13? For all of us hoping for level racing and excitement with all the changes in F1, it would be a bummer, especially after so many years of Mercedes dominating. My hope is for Mercedes to come up with a great car next year, so Hamilton and Russell can put up a descent fight, because Ferrari is a hopeless case.
@danielkristiansen2298
@danielkristiansen2298 Жыл бұрын
Bahrain? Maybe. In Australia Leclerc absolutely dominated Verstappen (everyone really), and without a DNF for Verstappen and without the safety car, Leclerc was predicted to beat Verstappen by 20 seconds in P2. Perez in P3 was predicted at 50 seconds. In Austria Verstappen had nothing on Leclerc, who overtook him 3 times. The only reason it was close at the end was because the Ferrari was breaking down all on its own. The Red Bull speed (especially of Verstappen) at Spa was insane. But Spa is a power circuit. Zandvoort is not. If Red Bull dominates at Zandvoort as well, then yeah, there was never a championship fight this year to begin with. But I will wait until the Dutch Grand Prix is over to state whether Ferrari had any real chance this year or not (ignoring the fact they always fuck up regardless how good a car or driver they have, ofc.).
@theglitch312
@theglitch312 Жыл бұрын
@@danielkristiansen2298 Ferrari and Charles definitely had a chance this year without any DNFs. Max lost 36 points to Charles in his DNFs. Charles lost 32 (to Max) at Spain, at a minimum 18 at Baku (P2), another 18 at France (P2), 7 points at Imola, 16 points (to Max) at Monaco and another 13 points at Silverstone. That's 104 points lost vs 36 for Max. Charles would, at a minimum be pretty close points wise. If he won either Baku or France he'd gain another 14 points on Max, and if he won both he'd literally be about equal in points depending on FLs.
@Chyeahokay
@Chyeahokay Жыл бұрын
How did bottad get away with his grid penalties?
@richaevans
@richaevans Жыл бұрын
It's explained incorrectly in the video. The back of the grid penalties are for power unit components only. Bottas had 15 places for PU components and 5 for a gearbox change, so a 20 place penalty not a back of the grid penalty.
@CalebHemphill24
@CalebHemphill24 Жыл бұрын
Charles championship ended in France
@huubvelthuis8988
@huubvelthuis8988 Жыл бұрын
if less than 10 laps remaining when safety car is called, then do a red flag and grid start.
@sparkieT88
@sparkieT88 Жыл бұрын
I feel like Engine Penalties should mainly be on the constructors , like automatic points deduction for over allowances
@valentinjakob2109
@valentinjakob2109 Жыл бұрын
What about introducing a system with the new regs, that restricts the budget further for any part replaced more often than allowed?
@sparkieT88
@sparkieT88 Жыл бұрын
@@valentinjakob2109 I feel like that would be way to confusing for everybody, a nice simple x number of points would be straightforward that people could understand, they have restrictive budget caps, but I dont think they have line item budget caps, do they?
@asdjkhasdhjasd
@asdjkhasdhjasd Жыл бұрын
lol bottom teams are gonna end up with like -20 points then
@valentinjakob2109
@valentinjakob2109 Жыл бұрын
@@asdjkhasdhjasd that's why I suggested sth slightly different... But I also see that it's of course pretty complex... I think this would only work if there was a engine manufacture world championship
@sparkieT88
@sparkieT88 Жыл бұрын
@@asdjkhasdhjasd right now only the tops teams are getting penalized, and its is basically no penalty to them if they can just move back up the field and win first anyway, if haas got a penalty they would just be in the back where they were anyway If the point of a penalty is to curb the actions of the teams, it is not working right now. The penalty is so small that it is better to take the penalty than to not
@jamiengo2343
@jamiengo2343 Жыл бұрын
I think Leclerc has got away with multiple errors this year, as Ferrari has got most of the stick. But speeding in the pit lane combines with a crash in France now. He deserves some criticism
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
He ended up speeding in the pit lane because the tear off from Max that got stuck in his brake duct and caused him to have to pit early ALSO fried a sensor necessary for the pit limiter to work properly. Truly rotten luck (not that he had any chance of winning the race, he just could have had a cleaner race and placed higher). He also didn't want to make that pitstop but Ferrari strategy overruled him.
@B.Pontes
@B.Pontes Жыл бұрын
eau rouge is on the bottom not top.
@simey5639
@simey5639 Жыл бұрын
15 is not more than 15 Ah yes, the floor is made out of floor.
@Antarctica_best_continent
@Antarctica_best_continent Жыл бұрын
I want to see if max can win from last place
@johnleven8907
@johnleven8907 Жыл бұрын
It IS a massive blunder by Ferrari, just like the fresh tyres to tow Sainz. That team is about to implode. And for their own sake, they better implode fast.
@himagainstill
@himagainstill Жыл бұрын
Ferrari is a team with so much success over the years that they feel able to give some away this year.
@RyderGaming
@RyderGaming Жыл бұрын
Hear me out about grid penalties because of power unit changes: time penalty. Give everyone like +20 seconds for a new ICE, MGUs, or Turbo as a cumulative penalty and carry that penalty to the race as well.
@K0ALA.
@K0ALA. Жыл бұрын
DT are you here?
@1rbdfl
@1rbdfl Жыл бұрын
luckily to be unpenalized? ham was clearly in front at the apex.
@kaiamy3779
@kaiamy3779 Жыл бұрын
Correct and he also clearly turned into alonso who had already given him the entire track worth of space he caused the collision and had enough common sense to admit it yet still some of his fans are delusional enough to think he wasn’t in the wrong
@adamhafiddin9564
@adamhafiddin9564 Жыл бұрын
VER pace was so terrifying that made the GP a bit boring. thankfully Ferrari clowns circus saved the day
@wiegraf9009
@wiegraf9009 Жыл бұрын
Still some fun mid field action for Vettel, Albon, and Ocon.
@nikitabakunin1897
@nikitabakunin1897 Жыл бұрын
Where is my F1 manager ? :))) much need please
@skalty9868
@skalty9868 Жыл бұрын
Honestly don’t see much need for Hamilton to get a penalty. The point of penalties is to discourage behavior and encourage caution, and considering he’ll most likely need a new PU now, and had to retire, he got plenty of natural consequence. And it’s not like he really hurt Alonso’s race
@maggotpudding
@maggotpudding Жыл бұрын
Ferrari fumbling is not even funny anymore.
@tjenadonn6158
@tjenadonn6158 Жыл бұрын
It's funny in a sad way, not funny in a funny way. We're at the stage where comedy transitions to dark comedy, before it transitions into just being dark.
@InfinteIdeas
@InfinteIdeas Жыл бұрын
Having Monza as harder than Singapore for overtaking seems wrong to me
@PrisOwner16
@PrisOwner16 Жыл бұрын
Q. Hard I think stands for 'quite hard', so it would be easier to overtake at Monza than at Singapore.
@theglitch312
@theglitch312 Жыл бұрын
It's not really that much harder. Monza sees 41 overtakes on average since 2010, Marina Bay has around 39.
@blessedslave
@blessedslave Жыл бұрын
Why verstappen got p14? Shouldn't it be p15 coz six had penalties and 5 below him would put him at 15. Why p14?
@willcardwe3162
@willcardwe3162 Жыл бұрын
Tsunoda started from the pit lane
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