Belgian Steel on the Nile: FN49 (SAFN) Rifle in Egyptian Service

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The Egyptian contract FN49 rifles are a fascinating example of the geopolitics of Egypt became entrenched in the Warsaw Pact side of the Cold War. Adopted in the same era that Nasser was seizing power from the Egyptian royalty, the Egyptian contract numbered approximately 37,000 rifles purchased from FN Herstal in several different orders directly from Belgium. The majority of these rifles were of standard configurations but among these, there were precision rifle variants with Meopta quick-detach optics that are highly coveted on today's surplus market.
The FN49 was intended to be replaced by the Hakim rifle, of which conservative estimates put at a production value of possibly 70,000 rifles. However most of these appear to have been manufactured in the 1960s and the rifles that probably replaced the 37,000 rifles in Egyptian service are the SKS, Vz.52, and the milled receiver AK47, all from Czech and Soviet support to Egypt before and after the Suez Canal Crisis.
In this episode, we go over the FN49 rifle in Egyptian military service, explaining some of the intricacies and possible downfalls of the rifle while putting a couple rounds through it as well.
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The Rifle that Ran Out of Time by Blake Stevens, Collector Grade Publications
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@paleoph6168 4 жыл бұрын

The FN49, the FAL's forgotten older brother.

@haselnussbraunschwarz1212 4 жыл бұрын

Stepbrother i am Stuck come Help your brother UwU

@kaisah77 4 жыл бұрын

@@haselnussbraunschwarz1212 B R O T H E R

@haselnussbraunschwarz1212 4 жыл бұрын

@@kaisah77 No what are you doing I am hetero

@SonOfTheDawn515 3 жыл бұрын

More like daddy

@DNchap1417 3 жыл бұрын

In fact, it's the proto-FAL in many ways. Short-stroke gas piston, a totally adjustable gas system, and in later models, a detachable magazine. It was ready to be adopted in 1940, but before production could begin, the German captured the Low Countries and France.

@Stigstigster 4 жыл бұрын

The FN49 has got to be my favourite of all the post-war semi-auto battle rifles. A good solid action, reliable, and of course my favourite - wood and steel just to top it off.

@crueljimi 4 жыл бұрын

I have the one with the tight smooth grain dark walnut stock that he mentioned, it’s a very chunky stock, great rifle...

@RobinRobertsesq 4 жыл бұрын

The FN49 is an interesting rifle to collect and shoot.

@M81_WOODLAND 4 жыл бұрын

To say the least.

@Tony_Z__ 4 жыл бұрын

Machine Gun Dad: I think (FN49) is better than the Garand Every Garand Owner: You take that back!

@winkleried 4 жыл бұрын

Tony Zee As an owner of both, I agree with his statement.

@williamflowers9435 3 жыл бұрын

IMO the best looking rifle of that time period.

@36Erkanator 4 жыл бұрын

Audio was way to quiet for Scott. The man needed a microphone to himself.

@jakewolf079 4 жыл бұрын

Very insightful and informative, also really appreciate you giving us more info on the Arabic writing as well as trying to pronounce it. Really cool stuff.

@michaelmacek9433 4 жыл бұрын

The dark stocked rifles from what I read years ago were imported by Century Arms.The rifles had original stocks that were so badly damaged or missing so in order to make the weapons marketable,they had a large batch of new stocks commercially manufactured ond stained to look like walnut.The stocks on my two Egyptian FN49 rifles are definitely not walnut and are of a softer wood.

@Gigitygigity24 4 жыл бұрын

Miles undoubtedly provides the most interesting content on TFB TV.

@michaeletters6835 4 жыл бұрын

Had 2 of these rifles years ago. Both in 30 - 06 calibre. Enjoyed shooting them. Actually had a bayonet with one. Those were hard to find even 40 years ago !

@Genesis23OPB 4 жыл бұрын

how has Miles learned reading/speaking arabic that well? it must have taken years, no?

@Stigstigster 4 жыл бұрын

Years of study and he's immersed himself in their culture too as he seems to travel a lot. I know it's more than one culture speaks Arabic but I hope you kinda get what I mean. If you can speak Arabic it must really open up a lot of experiences to you. I have said this before but when you look back to some of his earlier work, nothing wrong with it of course but he's come so far as a presenter and also an expert in his field. I really enjoy watching everything he does. If Miles finds it interesting then so do I!

@Genesis23OPB 4 жыл бұрын

@@Stigstigster as far as i understood it, there isnt just one arabic language either, arent there countless of different dialects? im swiss and we have dozens of dialects of swiss german.

@janharms3948 4 жыл бұрын

@@Genesis23OPB you are right in some regard. A friend of mine from Lebanon explained, there is high arabic - used in literature and so on. That is the same in every region. But every region has a spoken dialect. Since the begining of arabic cinema and TV production the dialect of those countrys who have such an industry becomes more common in other regions.

@Stigstigster 4 жыл бұрын

@@Genesis23OPB I suppose so but I barely understand a word of it. Being a native English speaker makes me very lazy with languages. I can just about cope in French, being polite, ordering food, booking accommodation, even getting my car fixed on a couple of occasions and also going to the shops but that has it's own problems. Sometimes they think I can truly speak French but I don't and they engage me in conversation. It's embarrassing because I just spoke to them in French but then have to explain that I don't understand the most of what they are saying. Better than knowing nothing but still embarrassing at times.

@grimmgod4805 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to see miles is still alive haven't seen him in a while

@palaiologos4441 4 жыл бұрын

With a title like that, I can already tell it's going to be a good one with Miles. Love his content.

@user-yb3rs5wh6z 4 жыл бұрын

My Egyptian FN 49 has a different stock. It must have been a replacement like you said. The guy I got it from was “the second owner”. He was the FFL and never sold it in his store. The stock has no unit disc or markings on the stock. The upper hand guard wood does match my stock though.

@stewdun2426 4 жыл бұрын

I could listen to Miles for hours - he is amazing.

@abdallahmanasrah2317 4 жыл бұрын

2:50 those are Eastern Arabic Numerals, not to be confused with the Western Arabic Numerals (which are the numerals most of the world uses now, including America), for more info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

@tfbtv 4 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed they are... but we’d have to take another minute of footage time to explain that.... -Miles

@abdallahmanasrah2317 4 жыл бұрын

@@tfbtv I wouldn't mind another hour of your content. Keep up the good work.

@tfbtv 4 жыл бұрын

Abdallah Manasrah you’re too kind man!

@RayW808 4 жыл бұрын

Welcome back Miles, feels like it's been a while. Recently started following Silah Report, really like what you guys are producing there.

@Lakotah095 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome job Miles. Haven’t seen ya in forever. Maybe SHOT 2021. Be safe brother

@kyleschafer6275 4 жыл бұрын

Great to see milsurps again, been too long since tfb has had any.

@gabrielchcosta 4 жыл бұрын

I really like this gun's looks

@darkspire91 3 жыл бұрын

I had the chance two years ago to buy a perfect maintained FN49 for 400 bucks. Being a moron, I didn't want it because it was 8mm Mauser. Now I want to cry every time I remember it.

@Qsaws_ 4 жыл бұрын

I still need to add a FN49 to my collection, seems mandatory as a belgian.

@samy7013 2 жыл бұрын

Any good video about firearms in Egyptian service makes me happy! 😁😎👍🇪🇬

@old_guard2431 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting - one minor point: You guys could work on your sound tracks a bit - kind of annoying to have to turn up the volume for conversation then have to dial it back real quickly for the gunfire.

@beta3alkimya986 4 жыл бұрын

The 👑 referring to Egypt was a kingdom Good weapon And your arabic is very good

@MrMacroJesseSky 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve had so many hangfires from old Egyptian 8mm lol

@ragnarragnarsson3128 4 жыл бұрын

Machine gun dad sounds like he's from Pittsburgh or east Ohio. I'd recognize that accent anywhere.

@Hogbellylife 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@psp1921tsmg 4 жыл бұрын

Grew up in Pittsburgh live 20 miles from Ohio line

@ragnarragnarsson3128 4 жыл бұрын

Me too. East of the Burgh near Murrysville.

@ImDudePlayinADude 4 жыл бұрын

great video. Only gripe was the audio mix. MG dad was significantly quieter than Miles. to hear him it made Miles scream lol

@ZipCrash 4 жыл бұрын

It's muffled too. I think his mic is rolled under his collar. Kinda surprised this didn't get caught and fixed.

@psp1921tsmg 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve never been called “quieter” before.

@paulbalogh4582 2 жыл бұрын

Nice review. I can NOT believe my fortune to have come across a whole Egyptian collection that is now in my collection: 2 Hakim, 1 Rashid and one FN 49. Looking for the FEG Tok-Egypt.

@paulkelly7896 4 жыл бұрын

Good man Miles, your Arabic pronunciation is very good

@RM-en7ft 4 жыл бұрын

Mine is in 06. Love it

@Real_Claudy_Focan 4 жыл бұрын

Dieudonné Saive finished the developpment of this FN49 some months before WW2 broke out.. The rifle wasnt properly tested and thus wasnt sold yet... Mr Saive saw the WW2 coming and left the country with his plans and came back after the war to Herstal to build them as soon as the plant was rebuild ! If WW2 didnt happend, this rifle would have been called "FN39" Mr Saive also designed the P90 (his last project) Yes, i'm belgian

@AgentDanielCross 4 жыл бұрын

Walloon?

@billb7046 4 жыл бұрын

Only one microphone? Audio quality very poor. Otherwise great information.

@Lakotah095 4 жыл бұрын

Bill B maybe you need a better media device. It sounds fine on mine

@ZipCrash 4 жыл бұрын

Audio was not fine guys. The audio from Miles was fine. The other guy, I'm pretty sure had his mic rolled up in the collar of his shirt. Sounded like he was talking through a wall or something.

@Danny_Boel 4 жыл бұрын

I did my year in the Belgian army in 1988/89 in a logistics unit so I had the luck to have had the FN49 and the STEN in basic training and the first half of my tour, after that we had some extra time on the range for the FAL and Vigneron (both kinda sucked) ...sadly never got to fire the FNC ... Also I often wondered what they did with all those old rifles...

@Mike-hk6rw 4 жыл бұрын

Love top gun supply! My local gun shop

@williamflowers9435 3 жыл бұрын

Felt like this video should have gone longer. I think a lot of content creators make the mistake of trying to keep videos as short as Possible based on the attention span of the average American instead of just letting it go and those who are interested will stick around

@chrisspencer6502 4 жыл бұрын

A colab q&a with miles and Ian (forgetten weps) would be awesome .

@ftra1987 4 жыл бұрын

One country converted their FN 49 to shoot 762x51

@psp1921tsmg 4 жыл бұрын

Argentina

@NickNnox 4 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍 Too Bad audio wasn't the best.

@reichskommissardeutschosta4598 4 жыл бұрын

Does the 8mm IS version have 20 round mags?

@psp1921tsmg 4 жыл бұрын

No only the 308 argentine version has 20 rd mags

@spartanong1567 4 жыл бұрын

Dat Ultimax on the wall tho

@rrbearcat 7 ай бұрын

Which caliber FN, 30-06, 8mm, 7mm, 308 is the most functional for cycling?

@OuchThatHurt320 Жыл бұрын

Nice video, but unfortunately there are a few mistakes. No rifles were originally blued, all were black enamel over phosphate. That flash hider is a us civilian design, never used by any military, although the Venezuelans had a muzzle brake. The second pattern of Egyptian rifle they were discussing is likely the century built Egyptians that have an eagle crest on the receiver. They were built using mix matched spare parts (including spare receivers) by century arms. The stocks in these are made by an Italian company specifically for Century, and have incorrect plastic butt plates. In the US, there are six different variations of this rifle available. Argentines were in 7.65, converted to detachable mag fed .308; Egyptians are in 8mm; Venezuelans are in 7mm; and for .30-06 the most common is the Luxembourg , although Columbian and Belgian rifles do show up from time to time. The Belgian rifles seem to be imported from Africa, and are usually in bad shape. No Indonesian or Brazilian rifles ever made it to the US, afaik. Interestingly, recently an Ethiopian trials rifle in 8mm was imported and sold by interarms in the US, but there was never a large contract order for these. These are very very nice guns and are a joy to own and shoot. Definitely my personal favorite battle rifle

@davidwilliams5749 4 жыл бұрын

I love it that you're featuring the FN49, but you gotta bring your A game to this. Do some research before getting on camera. Not knowing key parts of the story - on camera - is really rookie. (Or have I been watching too much Forgotten Weapons and expect too much?)

@psp1921tsmg 4 жыл бұрын

This was more of an over view. We didn’t do a history on any of the weapons just an overview. I think this was more about the Egyptian version and it’s use. Not a complete history of the fn-49. I added a little general info to encourage new collectors to take a look at the rifle.

@reddevilparatrooper Жыл бұрын

Outstanding rifle. The old Egyptian 8mm Mauser ammo really stinks.

@Genesis23OPB 4 жыл бұрын

MGDs microphone was kinda fucked sometimes, where was it placed?

@justsomeguy922r3 Жыл бұрын

So, I know I’m late to the party, but is it safe to fire the hotter 8mm Mauser through the FN49? I have heard of some European 8mm Mauser ammo pushing a 196 grain bullet at 2600 fps. Is this ammo safe to shoot in the fn49?

@OuchThatHurt320 Жыл бұрын

In general, new 8mm is safe regardless of bullet weight in these with the gas adjusted appropriately. A lot of surplus ammo has suffered from powdered degradation and burns much much hotter than it did when new. This ammo will crack stocks in bolt actions, and could severely damage the mechanisms of semi autos. It's a matter of luck, but I wouldnt shoot hot surplus through any fn49, hakin, g43, etc. At least not without testing a lot of that batch with a bolt action first

@vic771 4 жыл бұрын

I can dig it...

@g54b95 2 жыл бұрын

Good info but Machine Gun Dad needs a mic, too. Very distracting - you can't hear him very well.

@jasonsilkowski7282 4 жыл бұрын

How hot was Egyptian 9mm and 7.62x39?

@Stigstigster 4 жыл бұрын

Extremely sexy.

@davidr2975 Жыл бұрын

We're your empty cases dented at all after firing?

@maxk5038 4 жыл бұрын

Reminds me more of a SKS

@elikasinger3175 4 жыл бұрын

PLEASE READ THIS!!!! A few decades ago the romanians i think imported a whole bunch of .22 lr. Training rifles they are hard to find but my dat has one and they are great shooters and if you take the wood furniture and re Finish it with oil it has beautiful wood underneath. They have a stock that looks like a mosin stock but has a mauser 98 looking action. Please find one of these if you can i want to see a vid on this

@ThePerfectRed 4 жыл бұрын

One thing I really don't like about the M49 is the safety. It seems like a terrible idea to just block your (presumably right-handed) access to the trigger instead of locking the fire mechanism safe.

@winkleried 4 жыл бұрын

Funny Farmer That was the nature of the beast for that time period. Sks, M1 are two from that same time period that have a similar feature.

@MrFurley69 4 жыл бұрын

Egyptian lover

@SHOOTEgy 4 жыл бұрын

Egyptian here, we speak Arabic, the numbers on the FN are Persian numbers (which we use along Arabic numbers) and they read 7531 and 8643, loved the video, let me know if you need a translator :D

@tg0003bpa 4 жыл бұрын

You lost me with the replacing of the muzzle device.

@psp1921tsmg 4 жыл бұрын

Stanley Jedrzejczyk it screws right off. Same thread. I think 14 mm rh.

@zambimaru 4 жыл бұрын

I can barely hear what Scott is saying.

@mikebennet7697 2 жыл бұрын

All FN 49 rifles were paint over parkerizing. None were blued.

@tamerfarag3105 3 жыл бұрын

“Machine gun dad” shows up as an expert on Egyptian service rifles, but doesn’t even know what language they speak in Egypt?

@AerobatBrian 3 жыл бұрын

You really missed the mark profiling an Egyptian contract FN-49 in this video, you totally FAILED to mention the inherent problem with these rifles having a one piece firing pin and NO firing pin safety stop which for some reason, the Egyptians decided NOT to include in their contract. Anyone owning one of these rifles that still has the one piece firing pin SHOULD NOT SHOOT IT unless they replace with the later 2-piece design, AND ensure the FP spring is not too short. That is the only thing preventing slam fires and out of battery discharges that can damage rifle and injure shooter. Other FN-49 contract rifles have the firing pin safety stop and are much safer to shoot.