Believing In God For Comforting Grief

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24 күн бұрын

God for comfort not religion
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@greedypaul6343 22 күн бұрын

I’ve been through major loss. My son drowned. Believing I would see him again helped me ignore my grief. When that belief was finally gone, I was hit with a greater grief than I had ever experienced. Faith in the unfounded does tremendous damage.

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

Ignoring a problem doesn't help the problem, I hope you're feeling better now, I hope that you were able to make it to the other side of all of that pain! ❤

@theamericanvoicedisregarde5366 22 күн бұрын

I'm so sorry for the loss of your son

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 22 күн бұрын

It's a common characteristic of religion, "saving" you from having to deal with issues properly in this world, because it's ultimately viewed as a waiting room for the next. I'm glad that you found your way out of that trap, scars and all.

@BlessYourHeart254 22 күн бұрын

So sorry for the loss of your beloved son. You have the sympathy and support of so many people who don’t even know you.

@greedypaul6343 21 күн бұрын

@@markusnixon3156 yeah, it’s been 14 years since he died. Can’t really say I’m feeling better, just a little more numb

@Leith_Crowther 22 күн бұрын

Afterlife beliefs don’t help people process grief, it just traps them in stage 1.

@claudiaarjangi4914 22 күн бұрын

@keithcrowther6086 True as. And even worse, it diminishes & devalues what they did & were, and what their last memories in life meant. As if all of that isn't as important as the next memories, or getting more from them. What about being grateful for the memories they already gave them, instead of ignoring all those memories they already have ? If they meant that much, then they obviously gave them a lot to be grateful for. Why ruin it with diminishing what they already gave,& expecting more, as if all of them is just not good enough. 🤔🌏☮️

@nealjroberts4050 22 күн бұрын

Noone is ever truly gone if they're in your mind and heart. My condolences to anyone who has lost anyone they cared about, human or animal

@Cathee.M. 22 күн бұрын

My concern would be that religious organizations tend to prey on vulnerable, grieving individuals, taking advantage of their fragile state and/or temporarily compromised judgement. You can, of course, decide to take comfort in whatever you want - no one is going to police your thoughts or preferences, nor should they ever. Just be careful not to stay downwind of predatory, proselytising religious institutions and churches that ultimately only care about money and power. Whatever comfort they may provide will always be only temporary and conditional. Buyer beware 😅

@joshsheridan9511 22 күн бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854Banana splits?

@Seticzech 22 күн бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 blabla from insane mind

@nikkinicol78 22 күн бұрын

Not only do they think it's reasonable to believe something just to help with their grief, but they think it's reasonable to expect everyone else to believe it too and I just cannot with these folks anymore 💀

@krisaaron5771 22 күн бұрын

And too many of them become angry and insulted when you disagree with their statements... or just ask questions they don't have easy answers for.

@bazingaburg8264 22 күн бұрын

Dear Dan, I'm sorry for your loss. Your grief is a good indicator that your service-dog felt loved and needed. What heaven on earth for a dog Can be found, you gave it a Big slice. Feeling better in time is not a betrayal of that love, neither is wanting to feel better or lessening the blow or seeking out community for support. Personally, i don't handle religious grief support very well, because a salespitch in that vulnerable state grosses me out but, remaining cognizant of the good intention in which that support is given, acts of kindness will have an easier time landing with you as such. What happens after we're gone? Who knows? "The people who love us will miss us." Keanu knows (hallowed be His name)

@rekunta 22 күн бұрын

I deal with the grief of my pets moving on by making sure I document them while they’re alive so I can keep their memories alive. It helps when I’m grieving to simply give thanks that I was able to have them at all.

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

You sound very mature.

@TechnicallyTechnical 22 күн бұрын

Dealing with grief is a very personal thing and everyone has to approach it in their own way. From my perspective, I think coming to terms with the finality of death is an important step in the healing process. Comfort can be found in the memories of the good times you shared with a passed loved one. In that sense, they live on through you. I find this very calming.

@jgestiot 22 күн бұрын

Delusion has never been a good way to process grief

@JacksEvidenceTampering 22 күн бұрын

You mean like something Rachel Levine struggled with.

@AXKfUN9m 22 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering How many photos of Rachel Levine do you have in your PC, Joey? This is getting creepy.

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 22 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering it's funny how transwomen live CONTINUOUSLY in your head. 😂 Do they make you feel "funny", down in your pants?

@jgestiot 22 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering I have no idea who she is

@quecee 22 күн бұрын

@@AXKfUN9m This guy thinks LISA the Rainbow Giraffe is his RACHEL Levine. He can't tell the difference between Lisa and Rachel. 😂

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 21 күн бұрын

It is pretty toxic ☣ to think your dead loved ones do nothing in the afterlife except waiting for you to join them. That makes you into a selfish jerk. Which will inevitably bleed into your interactions with everyone else.

@somersetcace1 22 күн бұрын

I see it as a placebo, though people are free to deal with their grief however they see fit. It's not really a choice anyway. I don't believe I've ever met anyone who said "I believe in God as a way to cope with grief." However, if you're questioning your belief and considering the alternative, I can say from personal experience it is possible to process grief without a god concept. It can be extremely painful, and the amount of time it takes varies, but it's a `sober` way of dealing with it that really allows you to move on.

@krisaaron5771 25 күн бұрын

I've never felt a more horrible pain than the grief of losing a beloved animal companion. The "Rainbow Bridge" is the only comfort I've found, even though I know it's as much a fantasy as the traditional religious concepts of "life after death". I've avoided seeking therapy -- secular or otherwise -- because grief is my last link with the animals that are still as dear to me as my children. If I stop mourning them I'm afraid (and I know this makes no sense) they'll be truly dead to me.

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

From what I understand you never truly forget those that you loved, therapy is meant to help you to focus on the good memories, not the pain of loss.

@krisaaron5771 22 күн бұрын

@@markusnixon3156 I know you're correct, but the pain is still a frail connection that I don't want to risk losing.

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

@@krisaaron5771 Well that's perfectly okay, I just wish the best for you! 🩵

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

@@krisaaron5771 That's totally fine, everyone grieves different, maybe that's exactly what you need, who am I to say, I just hope you do get what you need regardless! 🩵

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

@@krisaaron5771 That's totally fine, everyone gr'eves differently, maybe that's exactly what you need, who am I to say, I just hope you do get what you need regardless! 🩵

@wayneharrison 25 күн бұрын

The greatness of any nation can be judged, by the way they treat their animals. I don't know where I heard this quote? BUT, it's a quote that always resonates in my heart.🐕💖

@JacksEvidenceTampering 22 күн бұрын

I would say how it treats its children.. and the way atheist humanist treat their children is horrific to say the least. They even double down on child human sacrifice AKA selective abortion all the way up to birth. For any reason even if a mother thinks it's funny that her baby is going to die in agony minutes before it was supposed to be born. And we know what the atheist humanists do with cross-dressing and mutilating their children.

@radicalatheist1843 22 күн бұрын

It's by Gandhi i think but i'm not sure.

@tonyclements1147 22 күн бұрын

Another alt Joey? 🤦‍♂️

@quentind1924 22 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering "They even double down on child human sacrifice AKA selective abortion all the way up to birth" Half of christians are fine with abortion too, so this isn't an argument against atheism. If you become an atheist tomorrow, your opinion on abortion probably won't change along with it

@JacksEvidenceTampering 22 күн бұрын

@@quentind1924 anybody can call themselves a Christian doesn't mean they are. How can you be a Christian and support today's atheistic humanist left who's in perfect moral harmony with the synagogue of Satan. Can you tell me how the atheistic humanist left and the Church of Satan differ morally. I would say at least 99% of the atheist that I've talked to support baby murder AKA selective abortion. Even to the point in the United States they support ignoring the Constitution.

@mikeoxbig7931 22 күн бұрын

Thor: Did I, Thor, comfort you well enough last night? Woman: You’re Thor? I can barely walk.

@quecee 22 күн бұрын

That was Loki funny.

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

This seems *very* inappropriate for this video?

@nealjroberts4050 22 күн бұрын

@@markusnixon3156 Some people find laughing at pain helps

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

@@nealjroberts4050 True, but it still doesn't seem appropriate to comment it.

@tonyclements1147 22 күн бұрын

@@markusnixon3156 People deal with grief differently, some use humor. It’s appropriate to post, it’s a joke.

@bobwilson3980 20 күн бұрын

Here a comfort grief your loss.

@terrentech 22 күн бұрын

I wish they would have asked why he had a service dog in the first place. That would be a big clue as to what's going on with him.

@adventuresoflittlejohnny 20 күн бұрын

So who seeks out a mass murderer for comfort?

@smochygrice465 22 күн бұрын

That, or they have a fetish for doing those time sinking God ritual activities like worship and prayer 😊 And a good Fri-yay Morning 🌞 AXP, Fans and Theists ❤❤❤ Peace Love Empathy 💪🤠☝️

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

This seems *very* inappropriate for this video?

@smochygrice465 22 күн бұрын

@@markusnixon3156 That's because it's a matter of opinion. Some might do the God thing for comfort, and others might do it because they like the activities they do in the church buildings. End of the day, it's no biggie. Peace ✌️

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

@@smochygrice465 I think I'm probably just misunderstanding what your comment was conveying.

@ApatheticFish3667 22 күн бұрын

NEPy, let's set the record straight with some real definitions instead of bending words to fit your misguided arguments. Atheism, as consistently defined across multiple authoritative sources like the Oxford, Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, Collins, and American Heritage dictionaries, is the disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of any gods. It's not a belief system, it's not a religion-it's simply the absence of belief in deities. On the other hand, religion, as these same dictionaries outline, involves belief in and worship of a supernatural power or powers, coupled with a system of practices and moral codes derived from this belief. Religion encompasses structured doctrines, rituals, and often a community bound by shared faith. Your claim that atheism is a 'religion of self' is not only unfounded but fundamentally incorrect. Atheism doesn’t prescribe a way of life, demand worship, or assert dogmatic principles. It's the exact opposite of what every major dictionary describes as religion. Using logic and facts, not personal biases, it’s clear your argument about atheism being a religion crumbles under the weight of its own inaccuracies. It's time to argue based on facts, NEPy, not fallacies. If you want to engage in meaningful debate, start by understanding the basic terms of what you’re debating. Otherwise, you're just shadow boxing with your own misconceptions.

@tonyclements1147 22 күн бұрын

Yeah, giving factual information to NEP is like handing kryptonite to Superman.

@t800fantasm2 22 күн бұрын

That was well worded....

@nealjroberts4050 22 күн бұрын

That was well written. I hope it gets through to them

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

I'm sorry, could someone set me straight, what is NEPy?

@ApatheticFish3667 22 күн бұрын

@@markusnixon3156 Imagine every religious extremist crammed into one person.

@blueredingreen 22 күн бұрын

Dealing with loss is always hard. Religion most just puts off dealing with that, and causes a whole bunch of problems in the process. Community is one of the things that help most (along with therapy), and you don't necessarily need any particular belief to access that. Although a lot of communities have been built around religion, unfortunately.

@JacksEvidenceTampering 22 күн бұрын

It's horrible how many parents lost their children to suicide because of these atheistic humanists faith-based beliefs. Unfortunately atheist humanists don't believe anything is objectively immoral including torture for amusement purposes.

@tonyclements1147 22 күн бұрын

Wow Joey, another newborn alt troll account..

@Andre-zw5kl 22 күн бұрын

What are you talking about man? I'm an atheist and I can say for sure it's objectively immoral to own slaves. I base my morality on empathy and I don't need Sky Daddy to tell me if something is wrong or not. I'll give you an idea, what about insted of saying "You will go to hell for trying to take your own life" try to say "I'm sorry for what happened to you and I'm sure you hit the rock bottom for trying to take your life. You should go talk with a psychologist about it". Sky Daddy can't help a suicidal person get over the it but a psychologist like me can help them.

@blueredingreen 22 күн бұрын

@@JacksEvidenceTampering If you want to actually have a conversation about that, you're more than welcome to call the show. Or you can just check some earlier episodes, because this has been addressed many times already. But you seem to have zero interest in actually understanding anyone else's position, and you just want to poison the well with egregiously offensive strawmen. So there isn't really much point for me to go into detail about all of the many problems with what you've said.

@tonyclements1147 22 күн бұрын

@@blueredingreen He’s a known troll, he’s blown thru several alt accounts already, the one above is his second today.

@wwlib5390 15 күн бұрын

John 3 16 invites you to know God's love and promise to you. As you begin to implement the teachings and character of Jesus into your life and test His promises to you - which are contained in His many Names - you may begin to see the Truth of His Word as you see the fulfillment of His promises in real time and experience His presence.

@TheDiddyDiaries 22 күн бұрын

Man hopes dog is in heaven - Suggest therapy Man thinks he is Queen Elizabeth- Have a parade

@quecee 22 күн бұрын

That wasn't a parade. That was a funeral procession.

@albertgeddis7308 22 күн бұрын

oh wow, two anti trans comments in a row. Have you tried not having a personality entirely based on being a pos?

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 22 күн бұрын

Do you _IMAGINE_ a scenario where you go to a bar and spot a pretty woman. You go over and turn on your "charm" and bingo, she's coming home with you. Off you go, getting hot and heavy in the back of the Uber on the way, back to the "love nest"! Clothes go flying... you reach down, and OMG!!!!!!! She's packing heat! ☝️ *Is that what you **_IMAGINE_** happening to you? Is that why you are so **_PERSONALLY_** offended?* You _IMAGINE_ that a trans women might do this to you (and I say "imagine" because I can GUARANTEE that it hasn't happened to you, or even anyone you know.)

@SundaeExpress 22 күн бұрын

Magat troll thinks his posts are clever - proves Dunning-Kruger.

@nealjroberts4050 22 күн бұрын

Still weakass

@TheDiddyDiaries 22 күн бұрын

Reassuring someone they will see their loved ones again- Bad Reassuring a man that she's a woman- Good

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

You're disgusting, that is such a horrible strawman, *lying to someone to make them feel better is not GOOD.*

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

*Lying to people is bad, trans people exist.*

@markusnixon3156 22 күн бұрын

Encouraging someone to lie to themselves about their belief because they're grieving- *Bad* Ignoring science to dunk on a group of people you don't understand- Good That's how you sound.

@TheDiddyDiaries 22 күн бұрын

Pot meet kettle

@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2 22 күн бұрын

@@TheDiddyDiaries 👈 so much hatred. Didn't your parents hug you enough as a child?