Thanks Douglas, I am glad to have helped you out a bit. Another viewer set up an old table saw like I suggested in another video about the buzz saw. Put the gumming wheel on an old table saw and do the same thing. Nice flat surface to hold the blade and not hanging by a chain like we did on the wood lathe. Now this one is for sure a cross cut blade, not a ripping blade. The ripping blades have a different tooth geometry and usually are not used for the cross cutting that the buzz saw is built for. Good Luck with your build !! You can always leave another message giving me the results of your job. Thanks for watching and making such a supportive comment !!

Foley made some crazy machines. I have a whole pile of the old, old ones for sharpening and re-toothing hand saws and lots of other stuff. I'm sure not a pro at using them, but it sure beats doing it all by hand. Keep searching Eric, the parts are out there. A lot of time you'll find an ad on marketplace where somebody's grandpa died and he's got all this Belsaw stuff to get rid of. Sometimes its cheap, and quite often its free for the taking. You just gotta go get it.

Well Jamie I am glad to hear you benefited a little from the stuff I put up here. I'm just passing on a little bit of what I picked up from the old man back in the day. Those old timers had to make do with what they had. And like I said, the geometry might not be exact or perfect, but its what we have done for decades and it seems to work well. Now if you have those other angle teeth like on that primered blade in the other video, that one isn't a cross-cut blade like these teeth with this angle. But they will still work on a buzz saw though it might not be recommended. Good work adapting that table saw, the old man hung 'em with a chain and swung them in and out on a gumming wheel mounted on an old Delta wood lathe. A bit crude but functional as can be. Just remember to mark the gullet radius before you take the blade off the rig. That way your teeth will always be the same depth and the blade will stay round. This one will have the other style teeth: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/isBjabWp1dSbZWg.html Thanks for watching and commenting....anytime.

Man o man. You got a deal on that Belsaw. I’ve got a buzz saw that came with my ‘39 JD A but I’ve never put it on. I’ve got a couple other videos on buzz saws on a little Kubota that show more about filing and setting too. I think up top under the Playlist heading is where I’ve set up a series of buzz saw videos. If you are near Osage Beach I got to do a good deal of the HVAC work on the hospital expansion that started back in ‘96 or so. Also I did the HVAC start up at the Medical Center right at the end of the new bridge too. Thanks tuckahoe, for the awesome comment.

Thank you sir...so much for the wonderful compliment. I appreciate you taking time to watch and especially for commenting so positively. I look forward to perusing your videos also because I'm ever in search of better ideas. The old man's been gone since '01, but at least there was a little bit I paid attention to...on occasion.

@@tractorman4461 I came back to watch again. 😆 Making tools for making tools. 👍👍😎

I AM kinda new to this old fella. It'd sat in the corner for 20 years or more. So everytime I get a little better and smoother at it. Me and the old man did all of them by hand over the years and gummed them on a wood lathe with a 1/2" stone. Thanks for the input. I do appreciate it.

Thank you Leonard, for the kind comment. I agree a lot of the lessons learned many years ago still have a place in to today's world. I have another internet friend, Reg Sparks, that is also from Newfoundland.

It may not be perfectly correct, but its the way I learned from my dad working over our old buzz saw back home. He would have LOVED to have had this Belsaw setup !! Thanks Thomas for watching.

Thanks Joey for letting me know you watch from time to time. There's a little of everything on this channel...Well, not really but there IS a variety. As long as it remains fun to do, I will continue to do the videos.

Thank you sir, there are a ton of accessories for all kinds of stuff with it that I don't have figured out yet too. Thanks for keep up with the series. Hope you enjoyed it !

Yes, it sure comes in handy for sure !!

Awesome Doug !! I'm glad to hear you got the blades back in good shape. Like I said in the video, its probably not what professional sharpeners do, but its what and how I learned about the old blades from my dad. He sharpened just about anything that could get dull. Even my ice skates, kitchen scissors, hoes, axes, shovels, knives...anything with an edge !! He would have loved to have had a Belsaw sharpening setup. Thanks for the comment and the update on the blades. Hope you are making firewood by now !!

On real rusty old blades, I just use a wire wheel on an angle grinder and give it the dickens. If you do use electrolysis, remember it'll flash rust in no time so you gotta hit it with a coat of oil or wd40 at the minimum. When I spot those blades or an arbor at a farm sale, I always try to take them home. Most of the time they'll go for five bucks or so and other times, I just buy them off the scrapper if they happen to go along with a whole pile of scrap material. Thanks Charles for the comment.

My Future History thank you for the pleasant comment. Like anything there are many ways to accomplish a task and this is just the way I learned from my Dad who was old school in everything he did. Is it the absolute perfect geometry for a cut off saw blade ...?? More than likely not. But does it work for the job we ask it to do ...? The answer is yes. What some purists forget is that we are not asking for precision, we are just cross cutting heating wood from tree limbs or sawmill slabs. Thanks again for the time you’ve taken to watch and please feel free to watch the playlist on the conversion.

Doggone, I missed notification of your comment two months back !! You're right ol' Joe up at From Steel to Wood is really talented I agree. I hope your son puts the wood working tools to good use. I have an old Belsaw sharpener that will do my planer blades up to 20'' so I am good to go on that account. Thanks for taking the time to post a comment !! Sorry I missed it though.

You are quite welcome ma'am. Of course I can't make the promise I learned it all correctly OR that all I learned was for sure correct !! I really hate to see the 'old ways' die with the old timers. I'm quickly becoming one of them...hahahaha. And boy o boy is it quicker !! Holy cow, yes it is. Unfortunately I still have to hand file the sawmill blades....48" and 50" diameter. I've got a lot of butchering videos but am a bit hesitant to put them up because of the chance of being flagged as inappropriate. I mean, I have the camera right inside the belly while trimming and removing all the gooey stuff !! Then the skinning, quartering and all the meat cutting too. We've been butchering our own beef and pork since my dad was 7....which was 1916 !!! Of course I wasn't there then.... again, we want the old ways to live on. Thank you for yet another awesome comment ma'am, and a very Merry Christmas to you too !!

+Tractorman44 I understand about not wanting the old ways to die off. My daddy taught me to butcher hogs, cows, chickens, squirrel, rabbit, fish, did I miss anything lol. The crosscut saw was a hard one for me to sharpen but I was real young then. Daddy trained me to be his crosscut sawing partner and I learned a lot from him.i enjoy watching your videos of the old ways. I hope there are people who will embrace the workings of how it was done and learn as much as they can from you. On the butchering videos, I think if you put a notice of graphic content, not suitable for all ages or something to that effect it will be ok. I've seen butchering videos and they have a warning to that effect. I hope to see them soon. Merry Christmas to you and your family!

I'll do some checking on the butchering videos out there and see what they do in their warnings. Good idea. You really HAVE run the gambit with your experiences !!! Certainly an interesting lady and I'm glad to have you on board watching and commenting. I spent my time on a crosscut with the old man as well and currently have his favorite 7 footer above my mantle. Four cuts and a drag. He hated the 'two cuts and a drag' saws. As always, thank you ma'am for the awesome comment and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well !!

Thank you sir for the kind comment. Did you by chance watch the whole playlist or just this one at the end ? I appreciate you taking the time to make the comment Douglas.

Thanks Mark. I agree with you sir. But you know my job kept me so busy I barely had time enough to stay on top of regular stuff on my off hours that I figured this saw sharpening stuff could wait until I retired. So it did !! Dang it anyway. Thanks for watching sir.

GP Outdoors well I am certainly glad you found it entertaining. My wife dies the same thing...reading the last chapter first. And as you proved it must work well with videos too. Lol As an adult I finally realized how different my school experience would have been if it could have been shown firsthand just HOW the subject being taught was going to help later. I remember the EXACT thoughts during algebra, geometry and others as well. I truly believe the youth of today are being done a disservice by not having access to Industrial Arts (shop) classes because of fear of lawsuits. There are some people (like me)lol, that just is not cut out for desk duty. I have, as the old man always said, ants in my pants. I can’t sit still long enough. I am thankful for those that do though. Thank you for your very good comment and sincerely hope you find more to peek at. Btw, thanks for watching the whole series !!! Awesome.

Thank you sir for hanging around and watching a few more of these. This particular blade here is just a small 31" (?) I think..but its for an old buzz saw that's being reworked for three point connection on an old '55 Ford 800. I don't think those big blades would fit on the sharpening mount on the Belsaw. It'd be nice to see some of your old treadle powered machines. I think there's at least 3 and maybe 4 of the treadle stones leaning against trees in my yard !!! Terrible huh.... Don't you wish we could get as much work done is as short of a time frame when fast forward gets in gear....lolol. Nah...me neither. Half the fun of completing a project is DOING the project and the only ones I really want to get done before I start has to do with sewer work....LOL. That reminds me of a question....I've got a small old sharpening stone mounted in a cast iron water sump, probably 8" by 1 1/2". I got it for something like a quarter at a yard sale with no motor. I mounted in on a channel iron with a small pulley driving it with a 1725 rpm motor but don't remember what the calculated rpm is of the wheel. It IS fairly slow and I can get it slower BUT..... which direction is the wheel supposed to be turning??? Down from the top and into the blade being sharpened and then into the sump OR up out of the sump from the bottom right into the tool being sharpened. I have it coming down from the top into the blade and it seems to carry way too much coolant and splatters too bad. What's your thoughts on rpm and rotation ?? It is a really fine white stone and I want it to be available to use, but haven't taken the time to keep experimenting on it. Same old story...too many things to work on and not enough time to work on them.... Soooo DaveyJO, thank you again sir for the compliments and conversation....I'm on my last cup of JO for the evening right now. (-:

Tractorman44 I have my. Wheel going away from me. I had it going down and like you said, there was so much water I couldn't see what I was doing. I'll have to look at my wheel to see what rpm it runs at. So Ill let you know. I, on me last cuppaJO right now. Got to let the JO Faries rest for the morning JO. Have to keep them on their toes,,,,,,or wings I mean. I'll have to take some pics of some of my stuff. Hope you have good tractor dreams. All I'll dream about is finding floor space in me shop. So tempting to fill it up with stuff but I must resist ! DaveyJO sippin JO

@@daveyjoweaver5183 Hahahahahaha funny stuff man... Hope the fairies let you sleep well. I'd appreciate the input on your rpm for sure. I thought of another water cooled grinder laying under the lean to. I think its a real thin but large diameter white wheel as well. I'll have to look today, but there's a small work table with the lower half of the wheel in the sump and it looks like it is for vertical grinding of something on the face of the wheel.. I'm thinking the stone is attached to a backing plate of sorts... Now I ain't set eyes on this thing for years so the memory may be playing tricks on me so I hope I can dig it out today to look for sure. No fire a going for me today, its still 73 in here and only 54 outside. Second cup down the hatch and the first one is almost ready to head for the drain... Oh and a hearty Good Morning to you sir !!! I shoveled half a truckload of mud/clay for an old buddy yesterday locating his incoming water line. He's losing 2 gallons per hour. We found the pipe 35" down, but I'm going to have to take the backhoe out to keep digging downstream to find the leak. I'm going to dig in the direction the water is seeping into my hole/trench from. But its in the middle of a field and soft as the devil so its gotta dry up a bit before I sink the truck and gooseneck turning around. The bad thing about finding all that hiding concrete in your shop is now there's a spot to stack some different good stuff. It is hell getting rid of what you know your'e going to need next week....but dang it you never know what your'e gonna need until you throw it away... Have a wonderfully great day DaveyJO and have another on me !!

I actually have a good video with the freshened up blade to put up but as I suspected this portion turned out to be too long to include it. So it'll be coming along soon. If you'd like take a few minutes to look at this other one I converted to pto drive. I think that it will give you yet another option and is a lot different than this one. Here's the link for you: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdOYiM5ml8yxlJ8.html I think you may like it. Please let me know if this one gives you any ideas. In some ways, I think it is even better than this one.

@@tractorman4461 Yes that is the first one I looked at and subscribed to your channel!

If we can get your subscriber list up a bit you will be able to put up longer videos.

That would certainly be great ! I do have a tendency to talk too much. It is a bit hard editing down with time constraints to adequately show what you are actually doing.

Wow...!! Very interesting that you've 'inherited' that barn full of old tools !! My biggest two man cross cut is 4 cuts and a drag that is 84'' long and was my dad's favorite. It's over my fire place. I've got other shorter two man and one man saws, 4, 5 and 6 foot too as well as buck saws. You don't want your gullet too deep, the teeth will be too long and will be weakened, I'd think. When you grind the gullets, to keep the heat down, start at one place (of course) then grind maybe three or until it starts warming. Then rotate it 180* and do the same, then 90* and the 180* again... Then go back to where you started and pick up where you left off. That will minimize the heat build up and not soften the metal, which is what too much heat will do. Try googling SharpeningSupplies.com to look for the thickness gumming wheels you want. Might work out for you. Thank YOU for the awesome comment Jamie.

If you join the FB group for Foley Belsaw you will see quite frequently items for sale and many times kids will be cleaning out grandpas shed and offer them free or any kind of offer or they go to the junk yard !! The problem is always the location. Also on FB Marketplace they will pop up from time to time. Just type Belsaw in the search bar.

Thanks for the tip.

Thank you for your awesome comment my Canadian Counterpart !! I'm waaaaaay ahead of you Gator. I did make a video and was going to add it to the end but I suspected it was going to be too long just to get all the blade sharpening in. So I have to edit it and put it up as another video... I'll name it something that's appropriate for referencing the freshened up blade.

@@tractorman4461 It`s all good Tractorman....your the one running the show and will take it as it comes....you had me so interested in the job....and it was not just a small job.....CHEERS

All these years on these saw rigs and all I've ever done until this video was use two hammers....a four pound double face or a large ball pein for an anvil and another smaller ball pein to strike the tooth as it'd hang over the rounded edge of the handheld anvil. Functional but not as consistent as this REAL saw setting set up. Good to see you around Grizz. Thanks for commenting sir. I see ol Driveshaft Drew over your way a lot too.

The bend is limited by how far you extend the tooth tip over the anvil. Every one is then bent to the same angle at the same point back from the tip of each tooth. The teeth have to be 'set' in opposing directions to create the 'kerf' in the wood. Without the kerf, there would continually be friction on both sides of the blade and in no time, the blade would overheat and warp or 'cup' until it cooled down to regain its flat shape. If you are cutting freshly cut soft woods, you want to increase the width of the kerf by giving the teeth a deeper set. With too little of a kerf in wet woods (especially soft woods) the kerf literally attempts to squeeze the blade as it passes through. That also makes it easier to pinch the blade and toss the belt. Even a dull blade will attempt to throw the belt. The blade wants to slow down, but the tractors pto doesn't want to....so it'll run to the side and pop off quick as a wink if you are not careful. Does that answer your thought provoking question Jim ?? Btw, that was a GOOD question too.

@@tractorman4461 yes. am gonna pu a belsaw sharpener tomorrow & try out on my buzzsaw. c. mine will have a weighted arbor.

Its for free hand grinding, but it helps those that's not ever touched one to visualize the tooth geometry and it just may help just that one guy out there that's interested in giving it a try for himself.

Yes Joe, this is part of the Belsaw 10452 SharpAll system. I do have similar set ups from other manufacturers, but I find this one the most user friendly. Beats the old routine I learned from my Dad in the '50's and 60's of using two ball pein hammers to set the teeth. Old Sneelock is certainly a gem when it comes to old tools.

Good afternoon Bjorn, if you like, take a look at this video and it may help you a bit also. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/isBjabWp1dSbZWg.html I put this one up a while back, and though it is not totally complete there is a bit of info about the angles. Crosscut buzz saw blades should have a 45* tooth, laid out by drawing a line across the arbor's center to the tip of opposing teeth, then using a 45* square off the back of that line, mark the back of the tooth. The grind has to be to a uniform distance from the center of the arbor out (gullet radius) to ensure all the teeth are the same size. For a crosscut buzz saw blade, the set should be approximately 1/4 of the thickness of the blade off each side. A little one way or the other won't matter a tremendous amount because they are running at a reasonably low rpm, usually 600 to 800 or thereabouts. I use two ball pein hammers when servicing the blades outside, but from now on am going to be removing the blade and using the Belsaw saw set used in this video. Too much set puts too much back pressure on the teeth and can cause work hardening and premature cracking of the blade. I really don't have a jig, per se, as the markings are used in conjunction with the gumming wheel on this Belsaw grinder to keep everything in alignment for perfectly shaped teeth. But if you like, we can continue conversation of a couple different ways to do this without a special grinder like the Belsaw 10452. I'm assuming Denmark is seven hours ahead of us here in the midwest...so I hope your day was productive and you have a nice week as well. Thank you sir for the comment and for watching...but remember that I am NOT a professional in this field and am just passing on things learned from the old timers I grew up around.

Thank you Larry for the awesome content in your comment !! I certainly hope it will benefit others as well. I am glad to hear others like yourself that have buzzsaws as well as the ability to take care of them. I'm sure you do a much better job than I. I can't begin to tension a blade though. My 50'' sawmill blade is in bad need of hammering right now. The old man would round up the blade while its still on the saw rig by slowly moving a brick into the blade to grind off the high teeth. Then go about the business of grinding the gullets to radius and shaping the teeth, finishing up with a fresh set with a pair of ball pein hammers. One of my biggest fights as a wee lad of 9 or 10 was helping my old Uncle Chippo stuffing a tom cat down a boot head first with 'dog push' and corn cob in hand...... LOLOL. Man, that cat could hold his own, but he still lost the battle. I think I still have the scars.... Thanks again Larry for your time as well as the memories of the really really fast tom cat !!

Well Ken, its been sitting in the corner of my shed at the very minimum 20 years and quite possibly 25 or more. I don't really have a clue how old it is except I know it wasn't exactly new when I traded for it. I looked on Craigslist for a chainsaw sharpening attachment for mine and found a good number of them within a few hundred miles. A lot of newer machines and some older and some were being parted out were listed too. Then there's ebay and a lot of machines were listed all over the country (USA). I think a basic one with a couple accessories can be bought for around 2 to 300 dollars plus shipping. Of course there are the ones that have ridiculous prices on them too. I saw one for $450 that looked like it had been submerged in water for years. I can tell you with my very limited experience with this one, I really LOVE it !! Thank you for watching and commenting Ken, I appreciate it sincerely. What area and what country are you in, If you don't mind my asking.

@@tractorman4461 Northern Kentucky, 20 miles south of Cincinnati. We use a tractor saw for fire wood similar to yours. I have 5 blades and can't find anyone to sharpen them. I have one with a small 1" crack at the gullet. No one will repair it . Any idea where I could get it repaired?

I'm not sure they would repair the one with a crack. I think that usually means the metal has been stressed over the years and has become crystallized to an extent though I'm not really sure. The old man always said that made them unpredictable. I've sharpened by hand many, many times and though its a pain to do it really is not too difficult. The trick is in maintaining the shape of the teeth, so if your's aren't misshaped too badly you have more than half the battle won. The next trick is to use a NEW 12" flat file. Or at least a good one that still cuts good. LOL. I tap an elongated wooden wedge in between the saw table and the blade to hold it steady and file a few teeth then rotate the blade and continue. I hit the fronts of the teeth with a little bit of an angle, the same but the opposite direction on every other tooth then set the teeth with two hammers. Either two ball peins or a 4 pound two face as an anvil and a ball pein to strike the teeth tips in opposite directions every other tooth. Too much set will cause the blade to eventually crack and too less causes it to not clear the kerf and possibly overheat due to friction in larger wood. Though I've not done it, I have heard of using a gullet grinding wheel on an old table saw. Lay out your teeth with soapstone because you have to free hand it. Install the stone and raise it to the highest height to clear the bottom of the gullet reasonably square and SLOWLY index the blade into the stone for about three teeth, rotate 180* and grind three etc. to keep from overheating the metal. Make sure the stone is rated for the rpm, you could explode the stone from over turning it and by crowding the blade into it too hard. Grind to your gullet radius all the way around, then shape the teeth fronts. Touch up with a file with a slight angle..or not.. I've had good luck with these with a square cut tooth as well and because we are only cutting firewood, tooth geometry doesn't seem to be super critical. Though many professionals would argue about that and they are probably right, technically anyway. Then set the teeth with the two hammers approximately 1/4 to 1/2 the blade thickness. Especially for cutting larger green softwoods, like elm or sycamore. Closer to 1/4 for dry or hardwoods. I don't know it this long reply helps or if you even wanted or needed it, but anyway.... Do you have any videos of it running? There is a lot of interest in these saws as evidenced by the number you see on youtube. Btw, Kentucky is a beautiful state, we have driven through many parts of it many times. We went for years to a small town tractor show down in Cynthiana Ky.

@@tractorman4461 I lived in Cynthiana for 12 years. Still own a house there. Tractor show in Paris every year. I would like to call you sometime. Love your videos

Sorry I'm so late Ken, started out this morning processing bacons and hams at my brothers house from the three hogs we butchered last weekend. Then went to the father in laws to work on his furnace. He's 90 and living on his own. Bad gas valve, have to pick one up at the supply house tomorrow and finish that repair. Then the youngest daughter's gas line froze up in her car and wouldn't start. I didn't get home until after 7. Good thing I'm retired. LOL. Did you know an old timer named Frazier Daley in Cynthiana ? He and his son put on a small hometown tractor show and we would go down to visit until he passed away I think from cancer a few years back. Right on the outskirts of town. Good time with a lot of great people. They all called him Junior. Well he started an on line forum called Antique Tractors Forum and it is still on line today. Several local Kentucky fellows still belong to the forum and actively participate, but the annual tractor show is no longer put on. If you check out the forum, make sure you put the 's' on Tractors or you won't get the right one. I appreciate you enjoying the videos, and you can call me anytime, though I gotta tell you my metal shed kills the dang phone signal so I rarely get a call unless it the summer, doors are open and I'm just inside a few feet. Evenings after 6 is usually the best. In the winter I'm in by then. My email is whpete44@gmail.com. feel free to email and we can swap the cells via email. Thanks again for watching the videos Ken !!

deernutOO thanks for stopping by and watching. Part 7 will have some footage of it in the woodpile. When I get to my computer I will put a link for you. I can’t do it on my phone.