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@zacharycates5485
@zacharycates5485 Жыл бұрын
It's cool that Peter Parker is so schooled in philosophy and can take time from his Spidermanning to be a guest on your video.
@laurajarrell6187
@laurajarrell6187 Жыл бұрын
I thought Spiderman too. LOL! 🥰✌
@513morris
@513morris Жыл бұрын
"With great power comes great responsibility."
@theflyingdutchguy9870
@theflyingdutchguy9870 Жыл бұрын
😂😂👏
@gudemik5335
@gudemik5335 Жыл бұрын
Is there any superhero who's also atheist? I'm afraid it's inconceivable in US culture, or am I too pessimistic about our young cousins?
@gxulien
@gxulien Жыл бұрын
Tobey learned to talk so fast in his days as a struggling actor where he read disclaimer voiceovers.
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Жыл бұрын
When Ben says "logically consistent," he means consistent with the conclusion he wishes to defend.
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
Are you enslaved? 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@ThatisnotHair
@ThatisnotHair Жыл бұрын
Just like most of philosophy
@Johnno010
@Johnno010 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. What makes Ben extra slimy is that he knows exactly what he’s doing whenever he gives simplistic, unsupported arguments to make a point. He uses sound logic when it is available to support his point of view, like whenever he’s putting college freshman in their places. The difference between Ben and these evil liberal college freshman (check out his numerous videos of him putting poor souls in their places), is that these freshman are normally well meaning and are making honest “freshman” mistakes in their reasoning. Ben on the other hand is a knowing con slinging pseudo logic into the conservative echo chamber for fame and fortune. Slimy as snake oil.
@ChristopherSadlowski
@ChristopherSadlowski Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Ben starts at the conclusion and backfills as necessary to pave the way. What I don't get is that he's so obvious about it. Are his simps really that dense that they can't see it? Or is it that they don't care about being intellectually honest with themselves?
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394
@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Жыл бұрын
@@ChristopherSadlowski Magic 8 Ball says: Yes.
@thoperSought
@thoperSought Жыл бұрын
the feeling I get from Ben is that he was always told he was sooooooooooo smart as a child, that he's taken it as an unchanging, unchangeable fundamental of who he is, and believes that therefore everything he says is smart, because *he* is smart
@robertpodbery242
@robertpodbery242 Жыл бұрын
so true, No room for doubt, he is 100% right
@squeegybeckenheim2489
@squeegybeckenheim2489 Жыл бұрын
Seems very true
@timothyduffy3905
@timothyduffy3905 Жыл бұрын
Well, what do you expect from someone that is completely inclined to Crack that whip upon fellow Americans as an exact repeat of how Jewish foremens in WW2 concentration camps who did the same thing upon fellow Jews to impress and amuse the Nazis? Shit, if this keeps up the Republican Party will get us killed by nuclear war because the global community won't put up with those nazis, either.
@matthews7805
@matthews7805 Жыл бұрын
Well, he is an entertainment lawyer and runs his own topical opinion channel and podcast program which employs others. He's got that going for him. What do you do besides being a professional atheist?
@thoperSought
@thoperSought Жыл бұрын
@@matthews7805 I block people who post bad-faith replies to offhanded comments
@DataJack
@DataJack Жыл бұрын
Basically, Ben is saying, "Yeah, ok, but what about magic?"
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) Howeverer you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you.
@farrex0
@farrex0 Жыл бұрын
Ben: This thing HAS to be like this.... Skeptic: Why? Ben: Well, that way I reach the conclusion that I want.
@NayBuster
@NayBuster Жыл бұрын
Cool opinion.
@Darius-kl3jk
@Darius-kl3jk Жыл бұрын
@@NayBuster oh?
@lidbass
@lidbass Жыл бұрын
And the conversation continues: Skeptic: But this evidence here shows that you are wrong. Ben: I’m not interested in your feelings…
@Julian0101
@Julian0101 Жыл бұрын
@@lidbass Who are you to question ben? Dont you know his wife is a doctor?
@NayBuster
@NayBuster Жыл бұрын
@@Darius-kl3jk Yeah.
@rationalityrules
@rationalityrules Жыл бұрын
Please let me know what you think of this format, as if it's well-received I'll endeavour to repeat this approach with other scholars. Cheers!
@HydratedMonotheism
@HydratedMonotheism Жыл бұрын
Maybe 😉
@logicalliberty132
@logicalliberty132 Жыл бұрын
Love it!!
@vimoh
@vimoh Жыл бұрын
Love it! Please do.
@HydratedMonotheism
@HydratedMonotheism Жыл бұрын
I do enjoy the new format. Very concise, efficient, as well as professional! Have a great day.
@nicolao.dos.santos
@nicolao.dos.santos Жыл бұрын
Amazing format! I enjoy it very much!
@vandaahll
@vandaahll Жыл бұрын
Ben talks so fast in the hopes nobody has time to fact check.
@silverdrake13
@silverdrake13 Жыл бұрын
I too believe this to be true. For Ben could by all means, take his time and not sound like a helium addicted chipmunk, instead I assume his wish is exactly as you say, talk so quick and make so many points at once to cause his listeners' heads to spin. Then assert a conclusion with his matter of fact, somehow slightly deeper tone, for a final comfort and completion to his exhausted listener. Kind of like a sermon come to think of it.
@user-cs4rf5bx8m
@user-cs4rf5bx8m Жыл бұрын
@@silverdrake13 "like a helium addicted chipmunk" Most accurate description I have ever heard :) :)
@davidnewland2556
@davidnewland2556 22 күн бұрын
does any body have an idea as to why when I open videos from this channel, they open some where in the middle
@martifingers
@martifingers Жыл бұрын
Debunked for sure... but with such great style, erudition and good humour. Great job, you two.
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
Are you enslaved? 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@robsquared2
@robsquared2 Жыл бұрын
It never gets old seeing Ben get dunked on.
@raistlin3462
@raistlin3462 Жыл бұрын
He doesn't care, as long as his base keep buying his bullshit.
@HarmonicResonanceScale
@HarmonicResonanceScale Жыл бұрын
Theres defintely no shortage of bad ben shabibo takes
@hunterkage2842
@hunterkage2842 Жыл бұрын
Ben makes it easy
@TheWorldTeacher
@TheWorldTeacher Жыл бұрын
@@HarmonicResonanceScale, Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️ Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@_the_watcher_2089
@_the_watcher_2089 Жыл бұрын
It’s fun but it would take more than debunking to break his followers delusions.
@declankelly9350
@declankelly9350 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for getting Tom Holland on call to debunk Ben Shapiro
@leoskyi
@leoskyi Жыл бұрын
I knew I wasn’t the only one to think that 🤣
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
Are you enslaved? 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@KreeZafi
@KreeZafi Жыл бұрын
Lmao I was about to practically verbatim comment exactly this
@TaijDevon
@TaijDevon Жыл бұрын
I am beginning to wonder if Ben Shapiro has a college education or is just faking it like George Santos.
@marcossuarez6627
@marcossuarez6627 Жыл бұрын
I came here looking for this comment
@WickedIndigo
@WickedIndigo Жыл бұрын
I always got in trouble by parents, teachers, really anyone with authority because I broke down their assertions and asked questions about each sentence. I was always told “you know what I mean” and my favorite “do it because I said so” but I was never willing to just accept that. I always thought I was the crazy, annoying one for breaking down people’s justifications for things until I came across channels and videos like this. Thank you for giving me the confidence that asking questions and being hyper critical is not a wrong thing to do🙏
@frankxu4795
@frankxu4795 2 ай бұрын
No you are not crazy. It's all about control. The "reasons" without sufficient justification are better phrased as excuse to demand certain behaviors.
@brunowright6984
@brunowright6984 Жыл бұрын
Would Ben ever respond to this Debunked? The more I see of him makes me consider that he knows exactly what he is preaching and it is just an exercise in being relevant.
@js8270
@js8270 Жыл бұрын
Ben knows his audience he also knows they aren't exactly famous for fact checking or analyzing a proposition. Ben and Jordan Peterson are two sides to the same coin intellectualism for those that believe critical thinking will incite gods wrath.
@rema999p
@rema999p Жыл бұрын
Peter Parker moonlighting as a philosophy expert now that the world had forgotten he's Spider-Man.
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
The story of humanity's enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@InigoMontoya-
@InigoMontoya- Жыл бұрын
As Hitchens pointed out; even if you allow the argument for a prime mover, those who want to show it to be a god still have all their work ahead of them.
@justinhart2831
@justinhart2831 Жыл бұрын
I agree. I dont have a problem with the argument for a prime mover, though I'd be open to other possibilities. I'm more skeptical that whatever prime mover there might have been dictated anyone's particular holy book etc
@mekullag
@mekullag Жыл бұрын
it´s very true that there´s a lot of work to be done to reach f.e. "the christian god" and then even more to reach anyone´s specific denomination. But I´m currently reading that book by Faser and he´s pretty clear that he´s aware of that. However, on having to show that it´s "a" god he makes very interesting points about the ways in which a "prime mover", a "purely actual actualizer" would necessarily have attributes that would be used to describe a god, such as being one, unchanging, omnipotent, intelligent, perfect and even "fully good". I´m not done with the book yet, some of these still seem like a stretch but I´ve only just arrived at the point where he starts to focus on these attributes. I´ll probably look into that book by Joe Schmid, because this level of philosophy is way too far beyond me to be able to adequately understand all of Fasers arguments, much less assess their validity
@ramodemmahom8905
@ramodemmahom8905 Жыл бұрын
Hitchens has then not studied the argument and he is not an authority. Good speaker. That's all.
@JohnMiller-mmuldoor
@JohnMiller-mmuldoor Жыл бұрын
@@mekullagYeah, I used to be an old school atheist but i’ve changed my view somewhat based on a version of these ideas. But that only makes God one and unknowable, but in no way good or some conscious entity capable of divine intervention
@justinhart2831
@justinhart2831 Жыл бұрын
@@ramodemmahom8905 I thought we were really only indirectly referencing Hitchens. I was seeing the conversation as being more about the arguments for or against a prime mover and how they matter, rather than referring to any individual's expertise on the subject.
@CanadAssassiN
@CanadAssassiN Жыл бұрын
What Ben doesn’t understand is that you can plug literally any god into his argument and it’d still come out the same way
@joshualavender
@joshualavender 5 ай бұрын
Personally, I plug in a certain spaghetti monster of some renown.
@frankxu4795
@frankxu4795 2 ай бұрын
You are wrong. Ben perfectly understands what he is doing. He is pleasing his audience with what they already believe and want to hear.
@toddewing2437
@toddewing2437 Жыл бұрын
Once again, another GREAT video. I got Joe's book on my wishlist, but yikes! even the Kindle was out of my range. Anyway, keep up the good work. I so wish you could get Little Ben to debate you guys.
@darkoleskovsek2558
@darkoleskovsek2558 Жыл бұрын
But, but... Ben offers those claims with such conviction and confidence that he has to be right... right?
@dougt7580
@dougt7580 Жыл бұрын
More conviction and confidence = more true. You can also make things more true by saying them louder (known as the 'Turek Accuracy Principle').
@gudemik5335
@gudemik5335 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly right 👍 ( for a lot of people at least) I'm starting to lose my already low trust in democracy
@miskatonic_alumni
@miskatonic_alumni Жыл бұрын
I am utterly confident that Homer's Iliad is the inerrant, perfect, literally true, divinely inspired word of our Lord Zeus. The Iliad says it, I believe it, and that settles it.
@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos
@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Жыл бұрын
@@miskatonic_alumni there's even historical evidence it happened probably
@ThePowerflake
@ThePowerflake Жыл бұрын
Shapiro is not confident at all. He speaks very quickly and with varying degrees of enunciation. This belies his intent to overwhelm the listener’s ability to listen critically.
@drackoni-han13
@drackoni-han13 Жыл бұрын
Never has Joe Schmid looked happier, more confident of his position, than when Arsenal are way out in front in the league
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
Are you enslaved? 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@Resenbrink
@Resenbrink Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for another great video and some good laughs as well.
@eas1404
@eas1404 Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite channel on yt. I only wish I had a few more brain cells as I am sure a lot goes straight over my head! And I'm old too.
@Chrismas815
@Chrismas815 Жыл бұрын
Love being early to see Shapiro get debunked
@TheWorldTeacher
@TheWorldTeacher Жыл бұрын
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
@c.guydubois8270
@c.guydubois8270 Жыл бұрын
Mmmm always a pleasure...
@slashdotism
@slashdotism Жыл бұрын
I think Ben's arguments are mostly to reinforce the echo chamber of his base. You're supposed to nod along and forget his arguments and just accept his conclusions based on a gish gallop. They fall apart as soon as you stop and pick at them.
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
Are you enslaved? 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@Kevin.berger
@Kevin.berger Жыл бұрын
He has been rebutted. He has not been refuted. Stephen consistently presents this "debunked" videos as refutations, and that is being intellectually dishonest.
@knutthompson7879
@knutthompson7879 Жыл бұрын
But he speaks extremely fast and with extreme confidence. How can you argue with him?
@Conn30Mtenor
@Conn30Mtenor Жыл бұрын
Ben "Let'sTalkAboutWhatI'mObviouslyCorrectAbout" Shapiro
@kellydalstok8900
@kellydalstok8900 Жыл бұрын
Pause him after each sentence?
@denverarnold6210
@denverarnold6210 Жыл бұрын
The same way you do here: in a video where you can pause his gish gallop bullshit.
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) However you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you......
@kenchristie9214
@kenchristie9214 Жыл бұрын
Shapiro sounds best on mute.
@JacobRochester0
@JacobRochester0 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for including the outtakes.
@christianbergmann8114
@christianbergmann8114 Жыл бұрын
I love how Ben's strategy is to talk fast, while putting as many topics in his message as possible, so it makes following him possible, but thinking about an answer harder. Listeners will get some parts of the message, but a person who's in an argument with him has to do both, which is simply hard to do. All in all it's just a very cowardly way of discussing something. Because if his ideas were always logical, he could say them slowly, so the other person has time to think and react. One topic at one time. If he's right, there's nothing to fear. But he needs his strategy.
@radfatdaddy4169
@radfatdaddy4169 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's a Gish Galloper. Best way to handle em is to either hold em in one spot, or piss em off.
@tommystyx
@tommystyx Жыл бұрын
I though he talks fast so that he can say what he wants before people realize how stupid it is and interrupt him.
@AntiTheBird
@AntiTheBird Жыл бұрын
Some people just talk fast homies
@user-cs4rf5bx8m
@user-cs4rf5bx8m Жыл бұрын
thank fuck for the internet! One can always go back and demolish the dude, like here!
@JacobSky5110
@JacobSky5110 11 ай бұрын
I love how silly you are.
@RobertSmith-gx3mi
@RobertSmith-gx3mi Жыл бұрын
This is like watching a graduate of MIT pick on a graduate of Vacation Bible School. Don't get me wrong it's most definitely must see TV
@DonnieLouis
@DonnieLouis Жыл бұрын
Yeah but unfortunately the vacation Bible school graduate happens to inform the opinions of millions
@poutineausyropderable7108
@poutineausyropderable7108 Жыл бұрын
@@DonnieLouis and make more if he talks about hell enough. ( and donations of course)
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
Are you enslaved? 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@frankxu4795
@frankxu4795 2 ай бұрын
@@DonnieLouis No, Ben is not informing the opinions of millions. He is selling those things to people who already believe the nonsense.
@Stimps1983
@Stimps1983 Жыл бұрын
So his main argument is nothing but a rehash of the unmoved mover. Why am I not surprised.
@ExistenceUniversity
@ExistenceUniversity Жыл бұрын
Why should you be surprised? Were you expecting a non-ancient greek argument? Lol
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
The story of humanity's enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@Will.Kosh.
@Will.Kosh. Жыл бұрын
@@ExistenceUniversity he was expecting a non shitty argument
@ExistenceUniversity
@ExistenceUniversity Жыл бұрын
@@Will.Kosh. Lol that's literally impossible
@CatacombD
@CatacombD Жыл бұрын
The turtles all the way down thing is an interesting thing to think about, because it gets very unintuitive. Assuming that you somehow had supernaturally powerful turtles that could support a world, if you stacked enough them, it *could* be turtles all the way down. (and all the way up the other side!) Eventually, there would be enough turtles that the center of the gravity well would be somewhere in the stack of turtles, so the stack would be supported by nothing but turtles, with the "bottom" turtle somewhere in the middle of the chain having turtles "ontop" of it in both, opposite directions. It's kinda like how you get such an unintuitive result when you consider what a flat earth would actually function like with gravity. You wouldn't be able to "walk off" the edge of the flat earth, because, once you got near to the edge of the disk, "down" would be almost directly back towards the center of the disk. So rather than be able to "walk off the edge," you would have to actually mountain climb your way up to the edge, and falling off it would send you plummeting back towards the north pole.
@rodrigodemiguellamminen5244
@rodrigodemiguellamminen5244 Жыл бұрын
This is incredibly cool and fairly easy to follow even for a philosophy ignorant person like me. Loved the video!
@mattvalcarc
@mattvalcarc Жыл бұрын
I'm going to be honest, some of this stuff goes a bit over my head. It is for that reason that I appreciate how thorough Stephen and Joe are when discussing these arguments, it makes them a lot easier to understand
@pythondrink
@pythondrink Жыл бұрын
I understand
@guytheincognito4186
@guytheincognito4186 Жыл бұрын
@@pythondrink Good for you. I understand too, but it's no argument for 'therefore most everyone would too. Just so you know. 💁‍♂️
@pythondrink
@pythondrink Жыл бұрын
@@guytheincognito4186 what are you even talking about?
@pythondrink
@pythondrink Жыл бұрын
@@guytheincognito4186 I meant as I understand what he's going through coz I relate. I also find it hard to understand sometimes.
@guytheincognito4186
@guytheincognito4186 Жыл бұрын
@@pythondrink I see. I interpreted your initial reply as meaning "Well 'I understand, so you ought to be able to aswell.", As if understanding wasn't as hard as he was making it out to be. 💁‍♂️
@Blops2diamondz
@Blops2diamondz Жыл бұрын
Theists "God has a plan so we should trust his plan" Also theists "I should pray for things I want"
@bayardkyyako7427
@bayardkyyako7427 Жыл бұрын
So stupid, how do people keep falling for this shit.
@realhumanbean7915
@realhumanbean7915 Жыл бұрын
That’s true lmao
@marian-gabriel9518
@marian-gabriel9518 Жыл бұрын
More like "I should pray he changes the parts I don't agree with or impact me in some uncomforting way"...to quote George Carlin: "What’s the use of being god if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and fuck up your plan?"
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) Howeverer you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you.
@bayardkyyako7427
@bayardkyyako7427 Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp Everything you asked to be proven wrong about you have the burden of proof for, YOU claim god is real, I have no responsibility to prove god, the west is rich, prove it, morals come from god, prove it. The burden of proof always lies on the person making the claim, you better have some extraordinary proof to go with that extraordinary claim or else i can completely dismiss you and be in the right for doing so.
@ScottDCS
@ScottDCS Жыл бұрын
Very well done, with fewer "flashbacks" this time which was appreciated.
@GlobeHackers
@GlobeHackers Жыл бұрын
Excellent work, as always. I received my DEBUNKED game yesterday and will review it soon. It is a high-quality product with attention to detail, and it seems like it will stand the test of time.
@tru0nyx
@tru0nyx Жыл бұрын
This format is informative and entertaining. If you're enjoying this as much as we are, keep it up!
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
The story of humanity's enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) Howeverer you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you.
@godlessblessings7020
@godlessblessings7020 Жыл бұрын
* you bet!!!
@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll
@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll Жыл бұрын
Joe Schmid is brilliant. Glad to see he was “the expert.”
@ExistenceUniversity
@ExistenceUniversity Жыл бұрын
Meh, just another "reality is whatever academics say it is" philosopher
@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll
@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll Жыл бұрын
@@ExistenceUniversity Can you show me where he’s said something like this?
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
The story of humanity's enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forever (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) However you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you...
@ExistenceUniversity
@ExistenceUniversity Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp I can prove God doesn't exist! ---- Every argument for God and every attribute ascribed to Him rests on a false metaphysical premise. None can survive for a moment on a correct metaphysics. For instance, God is infinite. Nothing can be infinite, according to the Law of Identity. Everything is what it is, and nothing else. It is limited in its qualities and in its quantity: it is this much, and no more. “Infinite” as applied to quantity does not mean “very large”: it means “larger than any specific quantity.” That means: no specific quantity-i.e., a quantity without identity. This is prohibited by the Law of Identity. Is God the creator of the universe? There can be no creation of something out of nothing. There is no nothing. Is God omnipotent? Can he do anything? Entities can act only in accordance with their natures; nothing can make them violate their natures . . . “God” as traditionally defined is a systematic contradiction of every valid metaphysical principle. The point is wider than just the Judeo-Christian concept of God. No argument will get you from this world to a supernatural world. No reason will lead you to a world contradicting this one. No method of inference will enable you to leap from existence to a “super-existence.” Leonard Peikoff, The Philosophy of Objectivism lecture series, Lecture 2
@bennyceca
@bennyceca Жыл бұрын
I recall Ben Shapiro throwing his toys out of his pram when asked difficult questions during a BBC interview with Andrew Neil! He clearly thinks he is smarter than he actually is!
@bryanlogan621
@bryanlogan621 Жыл бұрын
Stephen reminds me of something a guy at my scholl once said... When confronted by an oik who said "you think you're better than me" said, " no... I don't think I'm better than you, I know I am" Loved that, love his work 😊
@esc952
@esc952 Жыл бұрын
Joe: Speaking as a 60 year old, I have both grown and shrunk in height over the course of my life.
@wickedcabinboy
@wickedcabinboy Жыл бұрын
@Ed Carter - I'm a bit older and I was thinking just that.
@heckensteiner4713
@heckensteiner4713 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a live debate between you and Ben. I've noticed when Ben brings scientists on his show he usually just talks politics with them, but when religion gets brought up, he tends to take a step back. Now that he's drawn a line in the sand with this "documentary" on how to debate atheists, it seems a true debate is warranted. I'd be curious to see how he holds up when there's someone to challenge his arguments in real time.
@antondovydaitis2261
@antondovydaitis2261 Жыл бұрын
I would very much like to see Shapiro get spanked in public. He'd never agree, of course, since he knows what a scammer he is.
@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking
@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking Жыл бұрын
Ben would never do that. He only ever debates unprepared people in an environment that entirely suits him. Remember Ben never argues in good faith.
@gudemik5335
@gudemik5335 Жыл бұрын
@@LikeGod_ButBetterLookingI think he would, for the right amount of money. He's a smart businessman I don't think he really believes his public words
@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking
@LikeGod_ButBetterLooking Жыл бұрын
@Gude Mik I am not convinced he is a smart businessman. But it would be a bad business move for him to get into a public debate that he has no chance of winning. There's a reason he doesn't do debates with the like of Sam Seder for instance. I don't think he's dumb enough to do that, which is why he always runs from debates except the ones staged so it is impossible for him to lose.
@dougt7580
@dougt7580 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that about religion too. Heck he even had WLC (a Christian) on his show so Craig could explain Ben's (a non-Christian) own holy books to him.
@sshroom7713
@sshroom7713 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. This series is great!
@MATTIASALM
@MATTIASALM Жыл бұрын
Great episode, thank you! When you use the expression "controversial claim", you might want to clarify it as "scientifically controversial". That a claim is seen as controversial doesn't necessarily mean that it is controversial in a scientific setting. Cheers! Mattias the Swede
@Pyromancers
@Pyromancers Жыл бұрын
Joe could be in a comic called The Existential Spider-Man
@mustafakalaycioglu9613
@mustafakalaycioglu9613 Жыл бұрын
I love that you make videos i can understand. Thanks Steven. Keep up the awsome work!
@lamb6549
@lamb6549 Жыл бұрын
The first argument and the "uncaused causer" always make me so angry. They sound so good of an argument, but they don't work for SO many reasonsl
@veerswami7175
@veerswami7175 Жыл бұрын
Lol I always feel like that
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 Жыл бұрын
*“No infinite regression”* is special pleading within Ben’s syllogism, because he argues that everything else needs an antecedent.
@xavisonline
@xavisonline 5 ай бұрын
Folks like this will basically just tell you "God is defined as not special pleading, silly atheist!" and move on. They think redefining every term until their assertions make sense is doing philosophy.
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 5 ай бұрын
@@xavisonline Yes, I’ve received such replies. I tell them there’s a god that by definition disproves their god.
@Palalune
@Palalune Жыл бұрын
Man, how'd you get an interview with Spider-Man!? Mind blown.
@potatopotatow
@potatopotatow Жыл бұрын
love the format, more please! i’d also love to see more about inductive reasoning
@VeganSemihCyprus33
@VeganSemihCyprus33 Жыл бұрын
The story of humanity's enslavement 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] 🔥
@Jacob_graber
@Jacob_graber Жыл бұрын
While another commenter said this was like an MIT professor debating a Bible School grad, it’s really just Ben getting a taste of his own medicine. Seeing as his own favorite venue for debate is him vs. high school students or college freshmen. I loved this format, and I thought Joe’s explanations were well accompanied by your metaphors.
@user-fh6mc9du5n
@user-fh6mc9du5n 5 ай бұрын
I loved your "Hitchin's Razor" bit.
@nihadelfartakh5772
@nihadelfartakh5772 Жыл бұрын
I really can’t understand why someone is so intelligent as Joe Schmid can support Arsenal.
@jonfromtheuk467
@jonfromtheuk467 Жыл бұрын
agreed but he is an American so we have to allow some huge wiggle room. :-) However , I cant ever watch another RR videos without knowing the answer to the following. A) Does SW support none of the big two teams geographically between him? and maybe doesnt like football/soccer? B) Support either the team in either Blue booooh, or the glorious team in Red? The answer could have profound impact on my respect level ..... Stephen - it's your call but do call it.....
@marian-gabriel9518
@marian-gabriel9518 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfromtheuk467 Ahmm...A) How could SW support a big one team that's geographically between him?!? And B) why does the one team have two blues but the red one is just glorious?!?....Ahh...If...you don't mind me asking, that is. PS. I'm just messing with you. Hope you don't mind the joke! 🙃
@jonfromtheuk467
@jonfromtheuk467 Жыл бұрын
@@marian-gabriel9518 I can completely forgive the joke but................ I cant forgive the sloppiness in your reading my words! cough, here we go.....my words = "Does SW support none of the big TWO teams geographically between him? so ........who said anything about "a big team" i.e singular? and....strike 2 - I did actually point out he may simply not like football! :-)
@marian-gabriel9518
@marian-gabriel9518 Жыл бұрын
@@jonfromtheuk467 Well, to be fair, (in this case to me, but hey, let's not let that distract us here :P ) that was not me being sloppy, rather 'twas an inference predicated on the use of "[...] NONE of the big two[...], implying the need for at _least_ one of the two be chosen, in conjunction with the latter offered, subtle indication, that it was desirable, in your view, (though I confess, not obligatory), that SW be supportive of the glorious team in red, and, perhaps, you alluding to the team in whatever blue, them not even knowing what kind of blue they're supposed to be in, let alone be worthy of support....I think it was due to your use of "boooh" there...but I might be wrong though...hmmm. 😆
@wolframstahl1263
@wolframstahl1263 Жыл бұрын
The purely actual actualizer (i.e. a thing which is unchanging, has no "potential") would mean that this thing could act on something without experiencing a reaction, change a thing without being changed. A purely one-sided interaction (if "interaction" is even an applicable term for that) violates the most fundamental physical principles we know.
@InigoMontoya-
@InigoMontoya- Жыл бұрын
Which means, the moment it actualized something, it would create the future and the past at once, and could theoretically blink out of existence.
@maggmaster
@maggmaster Жыл бұрын
Or t could collapse the wave form and blink existence out…
@TheEbonyEngineer
@TheEbonyEngineer Жыл бұрын
Please keep doing these kind of videos. Not just with Ben.
@pegm5937
@pegm5937 Жыл бұрын
I love your concrete analogies. They make wrapping the more abstract philosophical concepts around my head so much easier.
@vercoda9997
@vercoda9997 Жыл бұрын
His sister is a Vlogger. Abby's shtick is to make lots of videos about *Why Women Shouldn't Work* and the like, saying that - I'll summarise - "Real women get married and then stay home and pop out babies (After getting married first, of course) while their husband goes to work, which is what Society has done for thousands of years, so all those nasty Feminists - BOO! - trying to sell the lie of equality are wrong and Oh by the way isn't my mansion lovely and I must get the swimming pool cleaned but I'm just so busy making these videos telling women why they are WRONG to want to work and have a career when they SHOULD just stay at home and make babies." All of this, of course, while she stays home - in a luxurious giant house with a swimming pool - and *works* by making videos and monetising them and selling Crap to give her an income stream, which utterly betrays her Women Shouldn't Dare To Get Jobs shtick, and I imagine her 'inspirational messages of affirmation' about having ambitions that start - and end - at being a Rich, Married, Jobless, Baby-making Subservient Machine probably wouldn't travel so well to, say, a single mum of two living in a damp-infested rented flat above a kebab shop in Liverpool, or to, say, Reality and Planet Earth, two destinations that her luxuriously-pampered ass doesn't appear to be too acquainted with, as that's where - Ugh! - poor people live. The Shapiro family tree appears to be particularly twisted, and spoilt. At least she doesn't babble like her pipsqueak brother does, though.
@keithnicholas
@keithnicholas Жыл бұрын
I think it would be best to stick to Ben and his arguments.
@davidleedougherty6478
@davidleedougherty6478 Жыл бұрын
@@keithnicholas I disagree
@vercoda9997
@vercoda9997 Жыл бұрын
@@keithnicholas There are enough people slapping down that twerp's high-octane utter, utter nonsense without me joining in, and people may be interested to know more about the Shapiro clan - that he's not just some random lone nut, but that others in the family similarly bear twisted fruit.
@rosenwach
@rosenwach Жыл бұрын
As a devout Jew, I love your videos because they expand my understanding of my own faith. Thank you for broadening my understanding of philosophy and rhetoric!!
@krembryle
@krembryle Жыл бұрын
So God still exists for you, huh?
@rosenwach
@rosenwach Жыл бұрын
God exists for me. And my life experiences have informed and confirmed that belief for me. I however have no interest in convincing anyone that they need to believe in a God let alone the one I believe in. I believe the Pentateuch and Talmud are great texts to inform how I live.
@umwha
@umwha Жыл бұрын
@@rosenwach may I ask what experiences convinced you god exists ?
@user-yn5sk5ru5g
@user-yn5sk5ru5g Жыл бұрын
@@rosenwach so having slaves is a good way to live?
@rosenwach
@rosenwach Жыл бұрын
@@umwha the miracle of my daughters’ births, my general good fortune, the feeling I get when I go to certain places of worship. Seeing the beauty of certain landscapes, seeing the majesty of certain historical structures.
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque
@KeithCooper-Albuquerque Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! You both nailed it!
@amazingj4173
@amazingj4173 Жыл бұрын
Man, I don't know if you actually said TURBOCRINGE @3:30 but i love it and now I can't unhear that word and will incorporate it into my language
@se7enhaender
@se7enhaender Жыл бұрын
Always like to see these Tom Holand guest appearances. 😉👍 Edit: Bonus points for not spoiling MCU movies again. 😌
@MarkedOne98
@MarkedOne98 Жыл бұрын
I see that Longest Johns shirt! nice!
@Devdarehen
@Devdarehen Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your Video. I enjoy it a lot.
@LomuHabana
@LomuHabana Жыл бұрын
Amazing, this guy is both an actor and a philosopher. True talent.
@zanac76
@zanac76 Жыл бұрын
I like how your videos have the snazzy cuts, sound effects, graphics etc. It shows you understand that you need to treat many viewers with these to keep them interested. Because for many of us philosophy is kinda dry and half of the time it is hard to understand, so these additions help. Now, how can we make Ben respond to this video series? Anyone got ideas?
@ryanreedgibson
@ryanreedgibson Жыл бұрын
I am so, so sorry you had to sit through a Ben Shiparo docu.
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) However you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you...........
@dinoslayerreviews
@dinoslayerreviews Жыл бұрын
I think the title should have been 'Ben Shapiro Debunked by Tom Holland'. Great video I always enjoy the rigour with which you discuss philosophical claims.
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video :)
@RubberDucking
@RubberDucking Жыл бұрын
Great format! Joe is great (as usual)
@stthomasaquarius
@stthomasaquarius Жыл бұрын
I like the example of the tick. It climbs up onto a limb to wait for a CO2 exhaling animal to walk beneath it so it can drop down and feed. But after a time, if nothing walls beneath it, it will “decide” it has chosen the wrong limb, drop down and find a new tree to climb. An action caused by a lack of stimulus, an absence of an actualizar.
@TangentFuture41
@TangentFuture41 Жыл бұрын
You're personifing actualized. It can be any parameter that actualized a change. Not necessarily a "thing"
@stthomasaquarius
@stthomasaquarius Жыл бұрын
@@TangentFuture41 I’m not personifying actualization. That would be the apologists. I’m pointing out that if a lack of input can be a trigger, then there is necessarily a break in the causal chain of actualizers. Instead of a continuous a causes b causes c, at some point in the chain your actualizer becomes “not b” causes c.
@TangentFuture41
@TangentFuture41 Жыл бұрын
@stthomasaquarius that's not true tho. There isn't "nothing". Any act of nothing, is part of a larger context and causal chain of something. If you "see" nothing, you're likely just being myopic and not seeing the larger "something"
@TangentFuture41
@TangentFuture41 Жыл бұрын
@stthomasaquarius I'm not necessarily saying this train of thought is correct I'm just saying what looks like nothing, can be something. Both sides need a stronger argument
@krisowy79
@krisowy79 Жыл бұрын
this is brilliant - killer arguments -THANK YOU!
@Alemag_
@Alemag_ Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Also, I want to buy that book, but I have to wait a little longer, since it is out my budget right now.
@jr_1742
@jr_1742 Жыл бұрын
5:07 Mostly unrelated… but every time I hear someone reference this in jest, I recoil in confusion as I try to think about how Craig got away with saying that with almost no pushback from those within his “tribe”. Still astonishes me to this day.
@dougt7580
@dougt7580 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's unexpected. Craig's 'tribe' are already experts at cherry picking their holy books and which of their deity's unquestionable proclaimations and pronouncements to follow. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that continued behavior with their favorite apologists.
@TheWhiteRabbit22
@TheWhiteRabbit22 Жыл бұрын
Love seeing the Longest Johns support :)
@feizai245
@feizai245 Жыл бұрын
Ben in the nutshell: "Because we don't know, it must be god. And not just god, but my god."
@fadibasha6134
@fadibasha6134 Жыл бұрын
- How many times do we have actualize in the script? RR= yes
@phistoroboto8419
@phistoroboto8419 Жыл бұрын
Gotta say that the debunking of Ben in this video is top notch, yet not as top notch as that sweet "The Longest Johns" shirt you are wearing. 10/10
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) However you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you........
@wolframstahl1263
@wolframstahl1263 Жыл бұрын
In Physics, there are things that do seem to be actualized without an actualizer (or "uncaused") like radioactive decay (for way better insight than I could provide myself into why that is, look into explanations on "hidden variables", e.g. the minutephysics video on Bell's Theorem). While we understand the stability or instability of nuclei, all we can explain is the probability that a nucleus will decay in a certain span of time. But not only do we have no way of telling exactly when it will decay (i.e. what we'd call the actualization of the potential to decay), we've all but ruled out that there is a hidden mechanism that determines it. This would mean that either the premise about the whole actualizer business doesn't hold up, or - and this is the much more entertaining option - the purely actual actualizer that Ben calls God set everything in the universe into motion in the beginning, except for weird quantum mechanical phenomena like radioactive decay which he still has to cause manually.
@Wildflower687
@Wildflower687 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering why people kept talking about Tom Holland. Seven minutes into the video, I now understand 😅
@DataJack
@DataJack Жыл бұрын
Outstanding work, Dude
@alonamaloh
@alonamaloh Жыл бұрын
The regress could be infinite, or it could end in some terminal node (of which there could be many more than one), or you could enter a loop, or all three of those could be true, depending on what change you start with. Also, how do virtual particles in quantum mechanics fit in this view of reality?
@blondboozebaron
@blondboozebaron Жыл бұрын
The terminal code? The infinite loop? All three could be true? 10 One whole. G is an incomplete whole with one square angle drawn in Earth. O is a Whole measure. D is a split whole with two square angles drawn in Earth. Sacrificed, Holy measured.
@MegCazalet
@MegCazalet Жыл бұрын
This is so well done!
@dynamic9016
@dynamic9016 Жыл бұрын
Very insightful video.
@pedrolopez-torrestubbs7569
@pedrolopez-torrestubbs7569 Жыл бұрын
I consider myself a rather "well-read" person....this is one of the few times I had to actually re-listen to the content to better understand it.....good job guys :)
@tonyburton419
@tonyburton419 Жыл бұрын
Same here...
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) Howeverer you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you.
@obiwanshinobi87
@obiwanshinobi87 Жыл бұрын
What I find funny is how he applies science to the whole gender thing that's going on right now but doesn't apply it to his religion
@aussieatheist960
@aussieatheist960 Жыл бұрын
I fkn knew I was on Mars!!! Thanks Rationality Rules!! Now where did I put the rest of my mushroom tea?
@johnspencer2914
@johnspencer2914 4 ай бұрын
WOW! This must be the most complex and convoluted way, of asking and then badly answering that age old question "Which came first, the Chicken or the egg?" that I have ever seen!
@collinl.3686
@collinl.3686 Жыл бұрын
Loved this series and it was a pleasant surprise for Tom holland to pop in as well!!
@heinerbremer1895
@heinerbremer1895 Жыл бұрын
Very well scripted and cut! Pleasure to listen to and watch!
@chaosinfusion8127
@chaosinfusion8127 Жыл бұрын
Great presentation with a thorough spanking of Ben’s argument(s), or lack thereof. Next time I see someone objecting to calling him a pseudo-intellectual, I’ll refer them here.
@gomezfriesen
@gomezfriesen Жыл бұрын
Love the Longest Johns! Great shirt!
@matt-tq2dp
@matt-tq2dp Жыл бұрын
It's so good to see a collaboration with ben! You guys are two of my favorite youtubers.
@azazelsiad3601
@azazelsiad3601 Жыл бұрын
Lol this isn’t a collaboration. This is one guy devastating another’s arguments for god. The whole point of this video is to show you that Ben is intellectually flawed in most if not all of his arguments.
@courve
@courve Жыл бұрын
The main problem with Ben and so many others, is they champion truth above all else, but with several abuses mixed in. Should they then make a truthful argument, they celebrate. Truth without RELEVANCE to the premise at play is automatically wrong, despite being true. If I ask you what is your favorite City and you say "ice cube trays are on sale this week", automatically wrong despite being true.
@gaileverett
@gaileverett Жыл бұрын
Your first sentence has a typo. It should read, "They SAY THEY champion truth above all else. . . "
@aaron2709
@aaron2709 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I love your thumbnail.
@7dANwE7
@7dANwE7 Жыл бұрын
What is the painting in the background? Looks interesting
@lukaslambs5780
@lukaslambs5780 Жыл бұрын
Imagine being a metaphysicist AND dating Zendaya???
@PapiCthulu2
@PapiCthulu2 Жыл бұрын
Shapiro is the real-life Rainman, just wrong. Mr rapid monotone probably believes Kmart doesn't suck
@Fullyautomagic
@Fullyautomagic Жыл бұрын
Quantus. Quantus never crashed.
@PapiCthulu2
@PapiCthulu2 Жыл бұрын
@Dylan 'Quantus is an airline, Quantus has never crashed. Therefore, Quantus can Never crash'
@Fullyautomagic
@Fullyautomagic Жыл бұрын
@@PapiCthulu2 You sir have just destroyed the entire plot of the movie.
@zray2937
@zray2937 Жыл бұрын
@17.08 a 4th option is that even if the regress is finite, there is no need for a single actual actualized, there could be several independent ones.
@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos
@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Жыл бұрын
Love a bit of metaphysics. Subbed.
@justinwolz4932
@justinwolz4932 Жыл бұрын
Ol Low-Bar Bill....Hahahahahahahaha.
@Mar-dk3mp
@Mar-dk3mp Жыл бұрын
Let me see how honest you are western godless and souless person to respond all that: (First of all we Got what you do not have: God, and therefore you have something less that we got, you are so sad Godless person for that (Prove me wrong) I know that you are western, godless and Souless western (that is the logic, prove me wrong if you can or do not say anything please ☺) (do not ask yourself how I know, because that is 100% accurate, right? But why you are a westerner godless and souless person, ok?) Atheism is mainly from the west, and the west is rich, so people prefer have been confused by Money, and money produces materialistic societies... so a healthy society) Prove me wrong. You just have been trapped in this stupid modernity. Prove wrong (and do not be pride as all westerns) Plus we westerns have been arrogant to all other societies, cultures and people (more then anyone else) and so we are very arrogant trhogout God now, but we are the worst humans, we created so many wars, so much dangerous technology, imperialism and so on. So we think to be at the place of God, that why we do not him... Plus most of those people are youths and youths tend to be Godless and Souless, and they do not care that according to that idea system it makes you not have objective morality, they do not know where they morals come from (because they do not know where their morals come from, right??), plus the Atheism makes you believe you will be nothing once death, but you do not think about that when you are young and strong, but much you get older and closer to the death you become more religious because God and the idea of an Afterlife is the only thing make you go ehaed... So basically you can not prove if there is a creation there is not a creator (can you??? Plaese answer this question with an answer not with another question if you can do) That why the West is so fucked up. Follow the money and bad church decision... By the way can you prove God does not exist? Plus can you tell me where your morals are from?? Please answer IF you can western godless and Souless person. Can you tell what comes from 0 (as you think the Big Bang was created by himself and not with an external Intervention) without using any external intervention??? (Now let see western and godless logic and stupidity): I do not believe The "Phisics" exist, (of course I do but, let follow your logic) can you prove me with evidence it does?? You are the people of evidence because you can not seen the Beauty of the creations and you think you own science? But what is the better evidence, that you are alive, and if you are alive is not just because of your parents Because who created your parents? Tell me. Nothing? for real? How ridiculous is such claim? What you did not understand in this "if an intelligent people such you needed an intelligent supreme being to design and create you? What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" What you do not understand if exist such beautiful world an intelligent supreme being had created it?" Cant you answer me about all those 3 questions??? What you did not get about that? Neither do I believe in Astrology, but can you prove me with evidence that it does not exist? Now I have something very important you do not: God a Trust in him I pray him I thanks to Him (and also my parents to be alive) I say "God Bless you" I have a straight, which is him (that you do not have) So you got much lesser then me. Ask yourself why! And if have none of those things are better or worst for you! Are it better? Or Worst compared to us believers?? Tell me (and be honest).... You still are in disadvantageous places. As we believe we will go in a better life once death and we will live forevere (so we believe we have to put the best we can do, not only for this life but for the afterlife: while you do not, you care only about this life) Howeverer you think you will be NOTHING once death (as yourself if it is better for your kids and yourself to believe in a good afterlife, if you act good, or in NOTHING).How sad is that? How sad is to think you will be Nothing, without any hope for death??? May God Bless you ☺... Man I will pray for you to have (believe) God again in your life. Also because: Believe in God is *Free (prove wrong if you can) * It does not require any political changes (believer can be con right, centre, wing, liberal, conservative and so on). * You will not change that Much, only Believe in Him (Prove me wrong about that too) * Once you are alone it is only Him you have (Prove Me wrong) * So if you feel sick (Prove me wrong) * Or Someone of your family, unfortunately. (prove me wrong) * once you get older you will have him (prove me wrong) * Or before to die (Prove wrong) * You will not think the people who lived and the one you knew left this world are Nothing (and in some cases is like they never existed, because none remembers them or have a picture of them, but have reached God. (Prove me wrong) * You will see people not just human but sons with a Father (which believe me will help, because you give them another positive attribute, which will help you to define them with more meaning).((Prove wrong) * You will have another purpose in this life: which is not. Be good and help people, but pray for them (and praying is a religious thing) and work not only for this life but also for after life,because working for the next life gives you more hope and let you think about your future... Just as you think for tomorrow.(Prove wrong) And, again, basically we stop this thing that we westerns do to be the most arrogants people in the world, and again losing the faith on God, only because we live in a healthy society we want live materialistically, especially for our youth (they will need God anyway once older, believe it or not). (Prove wrong) Beside my parents, every morning I wake up I thank God, what about you? Do you thank God you are alive? I hope you understand that (without any further questions) May God bless you and the peace for Jesus upon you ☺ And yes I say May God bless you because if you wait those godless idiots to say such beautiful things you are godless idiot as well). So May God bless you. ...
@justinwolz4932
@justinwolz4932 Жыл бұрын
@@Mar-dk3mp That is the worst, gish-galloping, Fallacy Horse I am not reading. You are now known as Skippy Textdroppings.
@steadywatching7564
@steadywatching7564 Жыл бұрын
"Intense, Unadulterated, Gigachad TurboCringe"
@michaelupinhere
@michaelupinhere Жыл бұрын
I love this series!
@extremelylargeslug4438
@extremelylargeslug4438 Жыл бұрын
Joe is amazing.
@CMVMic
@CMVMic Жыл бұрын
6:32 Thanks Joe! I've been saying this for years lol 17:58 regarding the black and white fallacy, I think there is another possibility i.e. cyclical causality. A finite chain that has no beginning or end. Every perceived moment of change is actually time independent, there is no distinct events, it is only one event that the mind cuts up into distinct events. It's like a film, where the film exists but is inert similar to the moving spotlight theory of time. 26:03 However, I don't think that on a dynamic view of time that a factive statement goes from true to false if said statement was true relative to a time frame. It could be that God knows p at t1, etc... But I agree the acquisition of new information implies God changes but I don't think a God must be unchangeable to be purely actual unless we claim it's knowledge is part of it's essence and not distinct from it. I mean we could deny change is the transition from actuals to potentials, maybe we could deny talk about potentiality entirely but ofcourse this defeats Ben's case. Regarding prayer, it could be said that God changes in ways but not in essence. Atleast I believe that is a coherent way of defending that line of reasoning. Lol sometimes I enjoy playing devil's advocate
@rianmacdonald9454
@rianmacdonald9454 Жыл бұрын
And the DEVIL loves watching you play. I like the idea of the ''cyclical causality'' thou. Good point.
@nathanjasper512
@nathanjasper512 Жыл бұрын
Or maybe there just is an infinite regress. It seems like the only argument we have against it is that, "It would take an infinite amount of time to get to the present moment," and such and such. Which isn't actually an argument it's just restating the original argument and acting incredulous about it. If infinities can exist then I'll don't really know that it's a problem aside from the fact that we don't understand it.
@CMVMic
@CMVMic Жыл бұрын
@@nathanjasper512 I'm still on the fence on infinites. Actual infinites seem incoherent to me, reason being it seems to suggest being from nonbeing. For e.g. Where do these properties go and where do they come from, ofc assuming change is defined as a gain/loss of a property. For example, let's say there is an infinite series of changes, why did change itself begin and how? Seems we would have to make up some kind of arbitrary brute fact to explain that, which gives equal credence to the possibility of change not being infinite or betr yet, being completely illusory. Was there an initial state prior to change? Maybe inertness? If existence was once inert, then how did motion emerge? The better question for me would be to ask, if existence is the only actual or synonymous with everything that exists including the relations that establish distinctions, where do the different modes of being come from and where do they go. from and into nothingness? Thus, I sympathize with Parmenides problem of change. Existence seems to be the sort of thing that cannot gain/lose a property because it cannot gain what it already has and cannot lose what it never had , otherwise that would contradict ex nihilo nihil fit and vice versa. If we define existence as the totality of reality, then by definition, change must be an illusion but that begs the question of whether the illusion itself undergoes change and it doesn't seem to me like the illusion of change, changes as it leads to a paradox. If we allow actual infinites, then it seems alot of things become permissable, that we once thought to be impossible. Like an infinite amount of divisions, an infinite amount of space, an infinite amount of reasons, an infinite amount of possibilities but the word infinite seems to flirt with our ignorance and claims something to be possible simply because there is no internal contradiction in claiming so but clearly, we are within our epistemic rights to claim water is not h20 as being metaphysically impossible. The same way maybe actual infinites can be argued to be metaphysical impossibilities and potential infinite such as an infinite quantity or quality are like abstract mathematical fictions. They are strictly mind dependent abstractions and may not exist in an ontologically objective sense. How do we even begin to prove that an actual infinite is metaphysically possible? Is it even provable? Hope that made sense, I tend to ramble sometimes lol what do you think
@donnievance1942
@donnievance1942 Жыл бұрын
@@CMVMic If there is an infinite past, then there is no need (or possibility) for the chain of causal events to have a "beginning" or for properties of things to have an "ultimate" source or origin. Nor is there any "actual infinite" necessitated. If the events of the past no longer exist and only the present is "real" then there is only whatever collection of things that exist at any moment in time. Any condition, situation, phenomenon, or property that exists at any moment has sufficient explanation in the events that immediately preceded it. This would be true for the conditions of any moment of the past that one can examine. The conditions of any moment have a rational explanation, and this would extend backward in time for any moment about which one has any information. Many physicists and mathematicians agree that an infinite past is logically coherent and may be the actual case. And that the "Big Bang" is not necessarily a starting point for spacetime. The Bord-Guth-Velinkin Theorem applies only to a universe that has been expanding, on average, throughout its history. But we do not know that to be the case, as we cannot say that there was no time antecedent to the Big Bang. The situation is logically symmetrical for the future. There is no logical necessity for time to have some end point. Indeed, the idea that time could cease to exist at some boundary is absolutely as non-intuitive as anything that can be imagined. Personally, I find it to be much more graspable that the chain of causality should go on without end than otherwise. The idea of time ending seems to entail all kinds of imponderables-- what would cause time to end? What is the nature of such a boundary? One extends this intuition symmetrically to the past. Every moment has its rational causal explanation and there is no need to posit some unimaginably anomalous and frankly bizarre special moment in the past with entirely unique properties and which would require some unique explanation for itself. Time that extends forever in both directions (and space that may be recursive under General Relativity) is intuitively the simplest and least bewildering model and has no contraindications in mathematics, physics, or logic. Time could be recursive or linearly infinite, and in neither case would there be any simultaneous infinite collection of objects or "first moment" to require explaining. Such a model entirely eliminates what seems to me to be incoherent concepts like creation ex nihilo, unmoved movers, realms of nothingness outside of time and space, or any such nonsense. Those ideas are rationally anomalous. Unending and non-beginning time is not.
@JebeckyGranjola
@JebeckyGranjola Жыл бұрын
@Nathan Jasper Isn't that Zeno's Paradox?
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