Well 15:02 is a pretty good explanaition and answer what suzuki was intending to do. But I understand what you're saying. Of course, they didn't just let any guy speak for them. This is an important step in communicating with the customer, this guy from top to bottom is a really real world kind of guy speaking to us from Suzuki's standpoint. I think what he's saying all in all makes a lot of sence. This is the new Suzuki Hayabusa, and 90% of the customers who own and ride it in their real life, chances are very good they will love the hell out of it.

That dude really gave the answer. The reviewer was being toxic. Asking double edged question. And I think he has done a fine job to pointing out the company’s perspective rather than falling into the trap of the reviewer.

@@sokka47 I noticed that too.

🤣🤣

😂😂😂

Yes, an objective review of what we may get. But until we have ridden it, it is all speculation. But with a smaller tank and no center-stand option, and a degree in science to choose from all the electronic settings, who will this bike appeal to?

@@can-uc-wakeup People who need hill hold assist on a potential 200mph bike...

@@can-uc-wakeup Me - so what the fuck about it?

@@siraff4461 Yes - It could get out of hand, especially to a novice, but are these bike really novice machines? Is there such a thing as too much hand holding??

@@badgerman23 OK, OK !! :-) With the wind in our face we are free!

Also when you get rid of the 3 cats in the exhaust and put a race air filter you can tune it to make a lot more power with the more reliable internals.

@@Truth24434 I cannot imagine 99.99999% of people could even tame the power it has, never mind needing more power.....

@@BibtheBoulder ride it hard for a few months. It can always go faster. Its tameable stock.

Idk if its better overall but you never had to change cam profile on gen 2 to have maximized top end

But the Busa never lacking in those department, and pure speed and top end where people love the bike at

I went from having two bikes for a quite a while and decided that I only wanted one that would do everything and finished up with a superduke gt. In a drag race it’s the busa every time but in the real world the super dukes low and mid range torque coupled with less weight and much lower gearing (don’t forget the busa will pull 186 mph in fifth) means it’s for me at least the quicker and easier bike to ride slow or fast.

@@stevebeale2187 Exactly. I owned a 1290 SDR for 6 years. I just want to get up to the speed limit as quickly as possible. Who cares about 120+ mph unless you're on a closed course.

hell no, ill take my top end any day of the week. Low end is for trucks and towing.

So you have a choice of bikes which suit you. Why should the busa be the same? I got mine for the speed it allows. Not for the ease of riding or the bottom end or any of the other stuff I can get from multiple other bikes - purely because if you want to move very quickly across the ground it was the best tool for the job. If you don't want that there are loads of bikes out there which offer more midrange/bottom end so if thats where you get your kicks go for it (and I can recommend a vmax if you want a real hauler from right down low - monster engine). Just try to realise that bikes are usually different because people have different tastes. Trying to make them all the same based on what an "average" person wants means we all end up somewhere between a CB500 and a VFR800. At this rate the only bike on sale will be a 95hp 780 triple which won't allow you to turn off any of its rider aids and all will be so intrusive a spaniel can ride it.

I worked hard on that :-)

Problem being the cats are in the cans aswell. Every traffic copper in the land will know that since most of the EU5 bikes are the same so swap a pipe and you're not only getting pulled but probably a ticket to get it re-mot'ed and if they really want to be a55hats about it a prohibition notice. Coming to the road outside every biuke meet near you soon...

Cheers Mick :-)

I don't think you could get much better than the bike you have...H2SXSE is such a great bike.

Awww mate, youve got my [soon achievable] dream bike.. i dont think anything will be able to touch it in its category for years to come

MonsterFreak... Mate, it’s an awesome bike, it does everything so well. Whether it’s cruising along or scratching or touring, it’s brilliant. As for the engine, what can I say, it’s Kawasaki doing what they are best at doing, absolute masterpiece and my opinion it’s going to be a modern classic.

@@Josh-cw8by the problem of the kawasaki is durabilitiy compared to Suzuki .

Mate the busa has been designed to mod. Just throw out the euro 5 pipe and re chip. There is bigger more reliable power in it than ever before. I'm sure it will dominate drag racing. Gosh I bet that H2 is fun!

I have owned 5 Hayabusa's. In 2020 I bought a ZZR1400. It is better in every way, and makes the 'Busa feel agricultural.

May have to put gen 2 cams back in it though.

you are still under 200 HP with the mod

the busa need to be with 200 HP starting out

@@daveyt4802 plenty of gen 2 cams out there. Better start buying now

Yes, it seems to me, and the drag race community seem to think, the bike has been designed to throw out the euro 5 exhaust system. Retune and it will be a lot more powerful than gen 2.

How did you guess? That's me to T.

@@writestuffmedia Me too.............

I love the 'so far" :-). What's it making?

@@writestuffmedia About 210bhp on BigCC’s dyno, 124lbs torque. 100lbs everywhere over 4K revs. TBH it runs like a standard bike. I chose a milder cam profile and titanium valves, traded a few bhp at the top for more reliability. It’s bullet proof. The only place you can really abuse would be on track. So reliability isn’t going to be an issue. It’s an entertaining ride 😁

Damn only 210 i make close to that with bolt ons and e85 tune with 1340cc 198-204 on 3 different dynos

@@busa_joe1159 Meh, chose milder cams and compression for reliability. Runs and rides like a standard bike. Had the choice to try and push it to about 220 but didn’t go for it. It’s a great road bike 👍🏻 Gen 1 with pipe, flash, pair valves, small air box mod etc will do just over 170. I got an extra 40bhp and 124lbs, it’s a very different bike now 😁

Blue eyes 😍

Same here. Just got a 2010 model a year ago and Im loving it!

I’m curious to see if you feel the same after you drive it, if it is truly disappointing compared to the old one. If you ever do, please update 🙏🏾 I’m still driving a 600, and am still quite the beginner, I would probably kill myself on any Hayabusa 😅

I agree. Hayabusa was meant to mean groundbreaking. Now it means basically the same bike that everybody knows...

If it is not broken then don’t fix it. The motor is bulletproof. A few HP is easy to find with a couple mods.

Yes, a lot of people won't be swapping their old Busas for this either. It seems to have lost its character. No boost in power, where is the incentive to swap? And the price has gone up. Are they not looking at the world, we are in an economic depression ...

@@can-uc-wakeup Agreed now if they would of stuck a turbo on I might off been interested 🤣👍

@@Dp3.16 The only thing they have stuck on it is a ridiculous price tag. Have they missed the boat and missed the point? People want more, not less. There was so much promise, so much fanfare and when it finally landed, it was flat! The ZZ in standard format makes more power, why would anybody swap and need to spend thousands on upgrades, just to take the bike to where it should have been in the first place?? Why didn't they supercharge it and give it some real punch? Check this out ... www.can-uc.com/the-cheap-thrill-of-biking-motorcycling/

@@Dp3.16 I had my wallet ready just incase they did. I'll keep my old ones. This is an EU5 friendly face lift and a very lazy one at that. This stuffed shirt having the cheek to say busa owners aren't disgruntled is insulting and I'm put off buying any more Suzukis from his attitude. Glad Hargo pulled him up on it at least a bit.

I bet it's built for turbocharging

you are so right

I got a 2000 unrestricted. Asking 18k lol

In nz currently 10k-15k for gen 1

@@theluckyone2991 for Gen 1 🤯

I found a gen 1 , 1 owner , with les than 5,000 miles on it going for $4,000. Just didn't have the funds to snatch it up.

@@sladeb6036 oooh tough luck mate

Cheers Stuart, hopefully not too long to wait...

You just don’t understand it.

@@monkmoto1887 Seems dated already.

As a busa owner I agree with this, it's a face-lift not an overhaul that should have taken a decade to complete

Yeah they should have went factory supercharger or turbo or something nuts but they chose to make it a more touring oriented bike. I think Suzuki is hurting financially

@@monkmoto1887 Nor even a new flagship model above the Hayabusa with a 1400cc engine that can compete against the H2 or ZH2..But no, just another redesign with euro 5 compliant regulated components.

@@luko560 Because every EU5 bike is getting cats in the cans it will also be common knowledge among every traffic copper in the land so if they hear one on a pipe you're getting nicked.

Love them and will always will. I agree with you. We love different designs, just like food.

Thought you wrote, “beauty is in the eye of the blender” - kinda meant it though, right?

@@lozblessed8609 zzzzzzzzzz

How many are looking through 'rose tinted' glasses? This could have been so much more - they probably think there is no new real competition, so why up their game? How many riders did they ask, what they wanted? Where is the center-stand option? Why do they have to take away so much to give us a bike so full of tech, so handheld, that the real biker becomes detached from the skills they have learnt through the years of learning their craft? A nice bike to look at, but what will it be like to live with? And why did it take so long to be released? What were they waiting for? A worldwide pandemic, an economic meltdown, millions at risk of losing their jobs; what a perfect time to release a new bike!!!

@@badgerman23 Driving!! Surely you mean riding?? VFR1200, CBR Blackbird, Gen1 Busa, Fireblade, GPZ1100 old school muscle, to name but a few; a little bit of experience, but always learning. Not hampering progression, just observing over complication from a strictly engineering standpoint. Let us hope the Gen 3 will be as reliable as the 2 previous iterations. Ride to live, live to ride www.can-uc.com/the-cheap-thrill-of-biking-motorcycling/

Suzuki are turning into Harley Davidson using the same frame for multiple bikes for years in end with little actual development in their new models..

Haha good point!

Why upgrade when you can sell the same thing? They have no competition now. A gen 1 and a gen 2 are more than enough for most people who can ride. Is that now the point, people rely too much on tech? What happen to skill and the feel of the road? Is this just another way of holding people's hands, so we become more asleep?

@@can-uc-wakeup they have more competition then ever before, the Hayabusa was built on power and speed, it's HP and acceleration were industry leading....Now days it's rival companies naked bikes alone leave it for dead kawasaki ZH2, SPEED TRIPLE 1200, KTM 1290R, DUCATI STREET FIGHTER, if that wasn't bad enough EVERY SINGLE litre bike in production decimates the new BUSA. Then the nail in the coffin the KAWASAKI NINJA H2SX lighter faster more comfortable and with 200HP standard and 240 with a simple reflash oh and with factory clip on luggage as well. God help suzuki when Kawasaki make the new ZX1400R. GAME OVER!

@@ausforce1 Sounds great on paper. Now go have a look at actual drag times and wind your neck in. I agree if Kawi bring out a new ZZR the busa is a sitting duck but they already pretty much ruled that out ages ago. Its all likely to be 1000cc (or thereabout) with boost for now in their big bikes.

H2 will kick ass

@@szaesz8190 not when busa throws out euro 5 pipe. Its been designed to mod and it will dominate the drag racing scene yet again.

Thanks Kar! 😍

I like my gen 1 I’m 5ft 8 67kgs and this thing is fuckn mad haha

These were not hard questions. Just whining as a baby just like you can about every single bike on the planet. Create and build your own bike and you’ll still have a bunch of whiners who will complain about something.

​@@lozblessed8609 MCN were licking so hard the chrome was coming off.

V -strom increse HP and torque. The busa no. The question is, you go to 300km/h in the street ?? the answer is NO. i dont understand the obssesion of HP or top speed in a street bike.

When the 1999 Busa came out with that copper colored bike, I was blown away...Still love that first Gen...New ones are over styled...Had a 1992 ZX11 but couldn't afford the Busa..Got a 2012 ZX14R, when they added 20+ hp from the ZX14....Stupid fast for the road (FUN!)..Getting too old now so have a 2015 FJR1300 that still has as much power as my ZX11 had! Last note: You're right, that first Gen Busa will still keep up with anything on the road..

Agree, also own a Gen 1, I've setup for touring... Briskly, does everything a rider could ask for.

Gen 1 owner here. I do like the orange gen 2. Never driven a gen 2.

I'm a gen 1 owner, never ridden a gen 2. I prefer the looks of the gen 1, the back end of the gen 2 looks like it melted.

Exactly, who wants that wussy 187HP? We all know that regular Joe Schmo needs at least 250HP rolling down to Starbucks.

Exactly.. i had high hopes for this one but 2nd gen is still the reigning king

Totally agree - binning the exhaust + remap will get it back up to 190+. But that's a big wedge for a full system and dyno work, when Suzuki could've done it by making the motor bigger. But, as I say, I think the chances of most of us riding it and being able to tell are minimal. I'm guessing the engine will feel immense.

Good shout. Absolutely no doubt it will be a 'better' bike dynamically than the Gen2. And... shhh... just as rapid too.

Grab a H2SX and do a Brock's Performance 240 wheel HP tune job.

@@exothermal.sprocket ill do the tune on a standard H2, not an SX fan

@@Nekminute I guess you might argue the H2 is closer to the Hayabusa ergo's, the H2SX maybe somewhere between, say, a Hayabusa and FJR1300 ergos.

Should have been 1550 Turbocharged

Agree on that . Kawasaki smaller H2r 399kph top speed really are something... Suzuki should topple that by a few kph at least .that is what HAYABUSA is all about.

I was hoping for more 😩 still, saved myself £16.5k 😂

Or even better, being twincharged without a single electronic with the design like Kawasaki's Supercharger.

@@Cino777 and what does a new H2 cost compared to a new Busa. You guys are ridiculous. Would you rather the bike sell well, or go the way of the ZX14 Ninja?

At 59 I am just a puppy compared to you...nonetheless I am giving serious consideration to buying a Gen 3. Already owned 5 of the previous models, and anyone who thinks the reduction of power is a negative must be either an idiot, or one of the 0.0000001% who truly is a riding God.

@@BibtheBoulder Totally agree , too many negative comments from the self appointed tech (experts) Gen 3 is by far the best bike i have owned .

@@TheDoorman27 Off to see one Friday, so keeping my fingers crossed I can do a deal...

Not silly; criminal !

All these negligable power reductions to save the flippin’ planet.

@@FullmetalSP1 Get a bicycle if you’re that worried about it.

@@fivespeed3026 Said by someone who couldn’t handle any more power than a bicycle produces - let alone the power than the new Busa produces.

@@FullmetalSP1 Yeah you're saving the planet by sticking filthy to mine and produce materials in the exhaust then burning a massive amount more fuel (which also needs drilling, refining, etc). All to cut down on one kind of emission while producing more of another. Apparently thats an improvement...

Nah, let's put freevalve tech on the Hayabusa instead.

They should have totally done that! Did it on their new gsxr 1000 but maybe it requires more tuning for the bigger engine

@@sivonparansun Yes ! Maybe they will someday ? I don't believe they seriously looked at other big changes like turbo or 6cyl etc., it's more for a distraction,,,,, and it's not the Japanese way of doing things, I feel, gradual improvement is more their thing.

@@nanoffyourbesyness9577 100%

The guy knows his job well. Very well answered

I'm sick of hearing this excuse. By that measure only a handful of riders would have ever got one in the first place - much less tuned them. Its obviously stupid talk and if you want a less powerful bike with more midrange there are plenty to choose from already. People never got a busa because they secretly wanted a VFR.

I agree with you bro. Maybe there is something else going on at suzuki. They are maybe about to go bankrupt and can't admit it. My conclusion is they don't have enough money to develop a new hayabusa and they can't just admit it.

Is like "I made a Koenigsegg more friendly... oh thank you, but a bit slower"... bye bye. The point of the top end motorcycles is the performance