How Andy Goldstein is getting paid to talk about football proves the world is fucked

Bearing in mind there's one more game... Won more games than last season, Lost fewer games than last season, Scored more goals than last season, Conceded less goals than last season, Better GD by +16 than last season, More points than last season, Closer to Man City than last season. That's progression. Simple enough.

Reyes man! Not an Arsenal fan but loved watching him on MOTD back when I was a kid! Amazing player, pleasure to watch. RIP

change the title to goldstein coming up with an argument for the sake of having an argument

Champions League quarter final & closed the gap on City, if that’s not progress please explain when the definition of the word changed. Klopp is supposed to have established some elite mentality at Liverpool & they’ve just bottled the league so not sure how anyone’s laughing at Arsenal right now

Got more points than last season how is that not progressing

Robert Pires was under appreciated

Most wins in Arsenal history but according to “Goldstein” we haven’t progressed……

undoubtedly an all round better team than last season

Saka for ljungberg 😮😮 Poor Freddie always gets forgotten

Goldstein is a literal clown… This exchange is a visual example as to why players don’t respect commentators opinions. The context of each season that must be taken into account. These lot who have never played can’t understand the nuance that goes into winning yet want make blanket statements that fit every team. Sport doesn’t work like that.

So as per Goldstein, man utd is an average club, no league titles for 10+ years and not even competing

They are both kinda right. Arsenal are a bit better than last season but the reality is they need to actually win something soon.

I wouldn’t drop Ljunberg for Saka. Not yet see what the future brings.

I played in a tournament at Emirates Pires was our coach such a nice guy and was so unreal sitting at breakfast in hotel with Pires on our table zola was there as well such a nice guy as well

The arguement is not whether there is progression or not but rather whether the progression has been sufficient given the financial investments in rebuilding the team.

Saka ahead 9f Liungberg makes me question Brent's football IQ

Bentys passionate about Arsenal, love it!

😂😂 saying it's not all about trophies, the whole point of progressing is to win trophies eventually

Goldstein is a absolute weapon.

The question no one seems to ask in our fanbase is what progress have we made since we moved to Emirates from Highbury like we were promised? The basis for sacking our legend in Arsene was fourth place, FA cup and champions league wasn't good enough for us fans anymore. What is the progress from that Arsene era to these Arteta era. Seriously, I don't understand the vicious circle as progress.

When you mention Pires and Reyes among your fav arsenal players I truly know you LOVE football. Thank you Darren Bent 🙏🏾🙏🏾

It's not 'make progression'. It's 'progressed' or 'made progress'

How Goldstein get to talk about football (*???

I would love to be able to see Bergkamp in his prime again.

More points, progression...my xxx😂😂😂

When Tottenham was regularly finishing above Arsenal Bent was on here saying "its all about trophies" .... but now Arsenal are finishing about Tottenham Bents here saying "it's not all about trophies.. and he's saying it with his chest. Typical Benty

The modern football fan is a weirdo. They’re more obsessed with banter rights than bragging rights.

This Andy guy is something else. Ange is very intelligent

Winning that League Cup has been so good for Man U.

Of course arsenal has made huge strides from last season but a 🤡 wouldn't know that and it comes as no suprise that Goldstein would argue about that... Man Utd haven't won a league title in almost 13 years and he's not looking at that, no he's acting like they're the holders 😂😂😂😂

The best defence in Europe? Wth is bent smoking? Inter milan have conceded 19 and scored 86 goals all season and have a better goal difference than arsenal.

If City beat Westham and win the title, It's very much the point that Arsenal have made progression. They have dipped in form this season but haven't let it affect their points total as much as last season. They've stayed more consistent, and have started to keep strong towards the end. The only part of Arsenal that isn't at the top, is like City going on crazily long winning streaks without interuption.

17 league games this year. Won 15 drawn 1 lost 1. No matter what im proud of the team and hope there is still a twist to come. Klopp could've won more if not for Man City. Same is happening to Arsenal. Its coming down to fine margins which for a neutral should be great. Prem has been in danger of becoming a one team league for years. Thank goodness its becoming somewhat interesting again. Supported Arsenal since i was 9 back in 2002, never knew or wasn't aware of the team winning trophies at that time, i just loved the football they played. A huge section of the Arsenal fans are deluded and embarrassing at times, just remember we aren't all like that.

Goldstein absolutely rattling benty 😂😂

If everything is about points in terms of progression, there are numerous teams better than the Invincibles. That team got 90 points, Man City has multiple teams better, Chelsea does, Man U does, Liverpool has multiple teams better, and teams that didn't even win the league. This is nonsense from Bent.

It’s not even five years because we’ve won the FA Cup after maybe two years. And if the priority was to win trophies rather than making the club the best in the world, then we probably be playing like Manchester United

Interesting fact, but Bent doesnt get in either Arsenal team. In fact, he wouldn’t get in any team that has ever won the Premier League

Discounts Brady, O’Leary, Basten, Adams and David seaman. Short term memories and Darren bent = Dimb.

The stats would say yes. They could still win it. Andy's logic is illogical. Progression is based on the club as well as the competition. There's nothing wrong with finishing second five seasons in a row. the trouble would be trying to find another manager whose only option is to win it. If another manager failed to win it or worse went backwards, that would be a disaster. Arsenal must be in a good place if you are scrapping to find faults.

Bergkamp scored 87 goals in 315 apps playing as a striker for 1 of the best teams in the league he was good but he wasn't anywhere near world class

Yes they have moved even further ahead of united, spurs chelsea and Liverpool

Andy Goldstein speaks so much sense just people are full of excuses 😂 they’re ready not to hear it, ‘it’s not all about winning trophies’ of course it is 😂 arsenal went from celebrating 4th and now they’re celebrating 2nd, even Ole and Mourinho got United to finish 2nd 😂

They’ve made some progress superficially, but I think it’s been a disappointing season for them too. In years Liverpool missed out on the league, we won other trophies to offset the disappointment, like a Champions League or Domestic Double. Arteta prioritised the League and Champions League but might walk away with nothing. He threw away the Carabao Cup campaign, even though it’s a fantastic competition to play kids and get the players in a winning habit.

Any arsenal fans remember Marc overmars? Growing up being im a marc to that was my nickname for the longest time.

Proof that every show on talksport has someone who is clickbait as a real person.

Mentality wise, 100% they have

Spending 700 million and not even making 1 final in that time, any other club would have sacked their manager...

My combined XI 03/04 vs 23/24 (Based on that season only) Lehman White Campbell Saliba Cole Vieira Rice Odegaard Saka Thierry Pires *Bergkamp was not as great in 2004, he had already retired from international football, and retired from football 18 months later.

I still find it strange how that generation of Arsenal players under achieved so much in the champions league.

I get both sides of the argument and trophies does dictate success more than points accumlated. But context needs to be added here. As it stands, man city have 115 charges againest them. If they are proven guilty, this could mean that Arsenal could have won the Premier league twice, Liverpool could have won the league multiple more times and even Man utd would have won it as well. Now, if they are proven innocent, then there is more of a conversation to be had. But challenging againest a team that has potentially cheated, they will have the advantage. That a side. Guardiola is arguably the best manager to have graced the game and will always big a big challenge to overcome for any team/manager.

I think they have progressed, but there's still a bit of fragility about them. 6 points dropped to Villa, the loss to West Ham at home, playing for a draw at Liverpool and City, holding onto a 1-0 lead at United. Title winning teams don't do this. I'm not sure this team are convinced in their own heads that they can/should win it.

Arsenal fans saying winning trophies isn’t an important metric because they have won fxck all

Toure has 2 unbeaten seasons as a deffender

Goldstein doesn't know the difference between progression and success

It is about winning trophies. Arsenal has made progression, but no one is winning the league until Pep leaves.

Goldstein says Liverpool and Leicester have won it whilst City have dominated. Let’s clear this up. Liverpool won it once in a decade under Klopp. That’s not taking anything away from Liverpool but just shows what team the rest of the league is up against whilst Leicester won it the year before Pep arrived. Arteta’s been challenging for two seasons, last year was a surprise to everyone, they were probably a year ahead of schedule, so that means Arteta and Arsenal have been genuine title contenders for just one season. Give him a chance, if Arsenal win the league sometime in the next 3 seasons how will it be any different to What Klopp achieved?

that squad tho... Cant believe its been 20yrs today

I like these 2 so much. They are just funny

Your up against Pep you cant say they have to win a trophy, Arteta is top 3 managers in the league with Klopp gone. Sacking him would be ridiculous

I do think they improved compared to to last season… I do think they he luck in terms of points last season….but this season there were games that they won.. they would have lost!

and to think it was Aston Villa who most likely cost Arsenal the league title

Goldstein football knowledge you could fit in a marble

Cole, overmars, ljunberg

We literally have more points than last season. That is progression

The object is winning games not drawing them. Thats why their points total has been smashed repeatedly

At the end of the day trophies matter most

So by Goldstein’s logic, Aston Villa have made no progress because they have not won a trophy,even though they finished top 4 this season. If you can’t see that Arsenal have made progression than you shouldn’t be paid to talk about football. Goldstein is borderline on the spectrum with his lack of understanding of simple concepts in football

So let’s finish 2nd for the next 10 years progression 😅😅😅😅

Arsenal fans acting like they dont use the same trophy logic with spurs 😂

honestly, benty and the rest of the arsenal supporters going on about progression makes them sound like spurs supporters. as a Liverpool supporter when we finished 2nd to man city we were pissed and criticized our team for unecessary dropped pts. you can't be satisfied w/ 2nd if u want to beat this cheating lot.

If you win the league with less than 80 points that means league was 'unbelievable' that year, not the other way around! It means there were more competition, every team were fighting. Every point was a struggle. But of course him being an Arsenal fan... dumb, dumb, dumb.

I'm sorry but it's not progression based on points, if you had no odegard you'd not have won, city lost kdb for 5 months, dias 2 months stones 2 months, halland 5 weeks walker, rodri a month, ederson a month, grealish 2 months and city still look like winning it.

Do Liverpool earning less points but won the title. Than getting 2nd with more points. Darren is wrong. If you have more points and end in 2nd the league isn’t as good, as having less points and winning. Meaning more teams were good and challenged you and everyone else more

Talksport drive is unbearable. 3 hours of arsenal and manc utd indulgence

Man City’s 100+ points is a greater achievement. You could draw all 38 games and be ‘invincible’ but collecting over 100 points in the premier league is greater achievement

Id keep arteta for the next 20 years regardless

always brings up utd when talking about arsenal. Bent 😟👎

Bent is wrong

Goldstein arguing for the sake of arguing

It's not about winning trophies it's the thoughts that count. Arsenal football club.

Goldstein is such a melt. You win trophies by winning games. If Arsenal consistently win more games season on season eventually they will win a trophy.

One more league title since 04? When was that???

If Arsenal get 2nd next season but score 82 points, it would be regression... unless they win an FA cup. Goldstein is a bit dizzy coming up with those scenarios.

Andy Goldstein is such an irritant.

Martin Odegaard

Inter & Real have the best defence in Europe

Andy come on man. Take those hate tinted glasses off

Which club he supports

Two of the best commentators of Talksport. Always rate you Benty, but Andy keeps you honest otherwise you would go full artetasexual. The objective of the sport -- which maybe you forgot since you won no major honours as a player -- is to win silverware. THAT'S IT.

Sadly Andy has just morphed into Adrian Durham the biggest wind up merchant of them all. Principles go out the window and it's just about clickbait and listening figures. Sad.

Isn’t ironic that a guy that wants Ten Haag to stay is talking about progression. Clearly man united have progressed from last season, what an absolute sausage.

Everyone giving Goldstein grief but he’s correct

Arsenal fans have the same mentality as when under Wenger, they are happy playing pretty football and finishing in the top 4. Not bothered about winning trophies 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

To me when I hear invincible season then I hear they had 12 draws and most of there wins were 1-0.. it’s kinda meh.. Liverpool, Man Utd and Man City have had teams that could go invincible playing for draws but they try and score as much as possible.

Who won the cups?

Goldielocks gets more bitter and less intelligent every season, whilst Utd continue to not win anything and play so garbage. This season must have been so hard to watch as a Utd fan who's old enough to remember them winning everything. Their biggest rivals barring Chelsea( who still finished above them), were fighting for the title and are obviously are miles ahead of Utd currently. So it makes sense why he's like he is. I mean his highlight this season was nicking a point against Liverpool and luckily beating them in the cup. A bit like Liverpool fans when Utd were on top. Oh how the tables have turned... Long may it continue... Imagine what he's gona be like with another season of Erik

They havent they come 2nd again

700m spent and one fa cup arteta is a fraud

Goldstein: Man Utd have progressed from last season. Bent: how? Goldstein: we got more defeats That guy is a serious 🔔End