Berlin: Finally a football city?

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4 жыл бұрын

Berlin has a reputation for being a football black hole compared to other major European cities. Could this be the season all that changes? Union Berlin have been promoted to the Bundesliga for the first time ever, while Hertha Berlin have lofty ambitions to compete at the top of German football. And when you delve deeper, the city has a lively and diverse lower-league scene. Kick off! reporter Dave Braneck finds out if Berlin is finally on the verge of becoming a true football city.
Report by Dave Braneck
Camera: Joe Wright
Editing: Caroline Haberland
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@dibaskg 4 жыл бұрын

To my eye, Berlin is already a football city, in the sense that any given weekend you can catch half a dozen matches if you want to. I did exactly that in November 2016, watching anything from… Hansa 07 vs Kreuzberg (girls) at a no-name fussballplatz, to Hertha vs Mainz at the Olympic Stadium. On another note, I find it really-really-really frustrating hearing the word “soccer” in a football-related story on G E R M A N DW. Give me a freaking break!

@KingNoLuv 3 жыл бұрын

In English both soccer and football are accepted England used to use soccer but then football became mainstream USA kept soccer and didn’t make the switch although even in the MLS many clubs are opting for FC instead of SC things are definitely changing

@razormc954 2 жыл бұрын

@@KingNoLuv American here, we still call it soccer.. Football here refers to "American football"

@yourservice6868 2 жыл бұрын

You think, using the word "Fußball" would make more sense in an English video of Deutsche Welle?

@KingNoLuv 2 жыл бұрын

@@razormc954 I know I live in the us too I’m just saying when it comes to the mls specifically a lot of clubs opting to use football instead of soccer

@alexanderassindia5542 4 жыл бұрын

Germany is different. The football capital of Germany is probably the Ruhr Valley, a region of different cities, where the city borders don't exist. You probably wouldn't notice, if you switch to another city by car or train, it's close. In around 50 kilometres you have Schalke 04, Borussia Dortmund, VFL Bochum, MSV Duisburg, Rot-Weiss Essen, Rot-Weiß Oberhausen and a lot of other clubs which are well known around Germany. But i hope Berlin will change, it's a good start with Hertha and now Union in the Bundesliga (hope they don't get relegated). The main problem in Berlin are the immigrants from other german regions, who bring their own club from that region to Berlin (for example there is a big Stuttgart Community in Berlin). Will be interesting to watch, how Berlin develops.

@forzasheva7515 4 жыл бұрын

Well, Berlin has a lot of good Clubs too. Tennis Borussia, Victoria Berlin, (Reinickendorfer Füchse), Union, Hertha, Dynamo, Lichtenberg 47. I think that those Clubs would have been atleast BL2 teams if Germany were never ever splitted.

@DerWurzelMann74 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, also Hertha (and the other Berlin clubs) have a big potential of fans from the turkish community. I have many friends who's parents are from turkey and they are crazy about football. Unfortunately they are supporting mostly turkish clubs. In my opinion, the club should focus on winning them over, since they are so many potential guests for the stadium!

@ThePunisher014 4 жыл бұрын

Let me say it straight out-loud, Berlin is not like other cities, its a weird place full of weird history and weird people, weird doesn't mean bad though, it just means standards of other cities don't apply there. and this is coming from a Berliner. (not the donut lol)

@grafmitajvar2908 4 жыл бұрын

Great documentary! Could you also take a look at Leipzig? It's a town with two clubs which were very big in the past (Lok Leipzig & Chemie Leipzig) but now are playing in 4th/5th division for many years. The rivaly between both of them is still very extreme, also because Chemie is mostly left-wing and Lok mostly right-wing. For many years they don't saw high quality football in Leipzig until RB Leipzig marched from 5th division into the Champions League (with a lot of money from Red Bull). RB Leipzig is successfully now but is also one of the most hated clubs in Leipzig and in whole Germany because it's not having any tradition (founded in 2009) and they just bought their success.

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

Great point, Leipzig also has a very interesting football scene as well. We had previously done a piece on Red Bull's teams in New York and Leipzig which may be of interest to you.

@jencildmello9567 4 жыл бұрын

It doesnt matter they were founded in 2009.But they followed the promotion rules and will write history in future.

@cawab2995 4 жыл бұрын

In Leipzig nur Lok und Chemie💚💙💛

@marioskapetanakis 3 жыл бұрын

@MrPauljerry I say don't fuck rb beacouse if they were established in 2009 they already have history in Germany. Leipzig didn't seen quality football for a long time. So I saey good riddance to lok and chemie

@Abdulaziz-ir3oo 4 жыл бұрын

It’s football not “soccer” ugh

@bigboyolive7054 4 жыл бұрын

@43lenzo 4 жыл бұрын

It can be, please look up the origin of soccer

@abbo1049 4 жыл бұрын

@@43lenzo I know the Origin of our game and how some call it soccer, but it's just a nickname the sport is called FOOTBALL it's so annoying when people from Aussie and especially the Yanks call it soccer😠😠😠

@FrankieBlueEyes 4 жыл бұрын

Sky Sports has a program "Soccer Saturday," and teams like Arsenal & Celtic run "soccer" schools throughout Europe. So the term is used in Europe also. With that said, I still find it comical how hot and bothered people get about something so inconsequential.

@al3xphantom377 4 жыл бұрын

We will always love the sport no matter what its called

@DK_FALCON 4 жыл бұрын

Ban the word "Soccer" from the earth.

@huubhuijbens8816 4 жыл бұрын

Yes!!

@davidaraujo927 4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing!

@rumourhats 4 жыл бұрын

Soccer means Association Football.The official name of the sport. There are many kinds of "football"; Gaelic, Aussie Rules, Canadian, American, Rugby, etc.

@tixben 4 жыл бұрын

It's so funny that so many English people don't know it's originally an English word from England.

@tomooka314 4 жыл бұрын

@@rumourhats exactly! 'soccer' is the original name of european football

@Lippi488 4 жыл бұрын

10:57 is das Nico von OneFootball Deutschland?

@carljohnson4473 4 жыл бұрын

Lippi488 ja 😂😂😂😂

@OnefootballDeutschland 4 жыл бұрын

Erwischt

@sebit8957 4 жыл бұрын

@@OnefootballDeutschland zusammen mit Jakob lundt von LNB?!

@AbuHaydar94 4 жыл бұрын

Der ist doch Eintracht Fan 🤔🤔

@AWFotoVideo 4 жыл бұрын

Gerade die Szene gesehen und erst mal den Kommentar gesucht von einem, der ihn auch gefunden hat XD

@Casual-ng8gb 4 жыл бұрын

Germanys capital city in terms of football is the Ruhr area (little bit bigger than London I guess) There are playing 10 teams in the top 4 leauges of Germany. For example Dortmund and Schalke are one of them

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

Plus: „Wir werden Essen nie vergessen. Wir sind die Fans von Rot-Weiss Essen. Ob lebendig oder Tot wir lieben Rot Weiss Rot.“

@d.9856 4 жыл бұрын

@@dwkickoff Also Schalke and Essen are the clubs who are hating each others the most in Germany (historically). You can't imagine it nowadays, because of the division difference over the years, but back in the days there were hundreds of people fighting. This was pure hate. Dortmund is a big rival too, but compared to essen the fans are harmless

@igorlyamin9459 4 жыл бұрын

Dave awesome video, thanks!!!

@dexterjettster6170 4 жыл бұрын

I just recently discovered this channel and it's just beautiful. Thank you for the videos

@danmorfitt 3 жыл бұрын

Great documentary. Hull City supporter, for my sins, now in the US and I'm a BSC fan. Watched Hertha in the .2 v Cottbus on a freezing Tuesday night and the atmosphere was amazing. Beers down Jesse Owens Way with both sets of fans in my very poor Deutsch was still brilliant. I will return to the Ostkurve soon. Fantastic documentary on one of the greatest cities around.

@domtoiletto 3 жыл бұрын

Ha Ho He! :)

@davidellis2182 4 жыл бұрын

This was a great little documentary, thank you!

@gerdforster883 4 жыл бұрын

You placed Makkabi in the wrong part of the city on your map. They play in the west, right next to TeBe.

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

Good catch, thanks for pointing that out! Apologies for the mistake.

@troub1337 4 жыл бұрын

berlin is not only a football city berlin is a sport city we´ve got in nearly every popular sport in europe top tier teams which always play in the highest league ice hockey we got the record title holder EHC Eisbären in volleyball we got SCC Berlin which won 11 titles since the german unity in basket ball we got Alba Berlin which won the 3rd most titles in the BBL in water polo we got "Wasserfreunde Spandau 04 Berlin" with 37! league titles Berlin is a top tier sport city.

@ratisok2324 2 жыл бұрын

VK Jug Dubrovnik 💙❤💙❤💙

@bewaretrivela5687 4 жыл бұрын

Great video👍

@sejerland 4 жыл бұрын

great documentary 🔥🔥

@rbnh9827 4 жыл бұрын

Great touch of putting David Bowie - Heroes

@0AFonseca 4 жыл бұрын

1:20 Comet is Coming "Summon the Fire", love the band, love the music 😍

@ericseventeen17 4 жыл бұрын

Is this a series? That pretty interesting, cool vid👍

@Mister__Jey 4 жыл бұрын

London hat täglich 5 Fußballteams? Krass war mir gar nicht so klar. Aber man darf nicht vergessen dass es auch sehr lange Zeit zwei Teams in München gab

@misterxya8465 4 жыл бұрын

5(Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Westham, Crystal Palace) in der ersten Liga ich glaube min. 15 im professionellen Ligen

@Miles000 4 жыл бұрын

Karate Andi als Intro hahahaha

@john.d193 4 жыл бұрын

Well Tasmania only was in the league because Hertha supposedly had manipulation issues and got forced down and Tasmania took their place even though they were from a much lower league and back then a win only counted two points so it wasn’t like Tasmania were terrible they just shouldn’t have been a first division team

@MinetteLM 4 жыл бұрын

Soccer?? No one says soccer in Germany-except American tourists. This makes DW seem particularly off.

@vinayak080 4 жыл бұрын

Minette Mangahas lol,u r amazing and yes it's true in Germany it's called futball :)

@gurung1812 4 жыл бұрын

@@vinayak080 fussball

@thomasgrabkowski8283 4 жыл бұрын

They say fußball

@edgarlemus358 4 жыл бұрын

Fútbol ⚽️

@felixwehinger4794 4 жыл бұрын

Great job, Dave ⚽️💨

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, mate. Spread the word!

@AllMadeVlogs 4 жыл бұрын

Feel like going there and play football again..so many regional clubs

@nemoschmitz2374 4 жыл бұрын

The way he pronounced Manchester made me think 'he must be American' And then:.. 'soccer teams'.. Yup, American

@fadhlanarmon3670 4 жыл бұрын

Sven Schmitz oh wow an american accent man is american you’re so smart

@scottwhitley3392 4 жыл бұрын

Glasgow is one the maddest football cites I’ve been to

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

What do you think sets it apart from other cities with big derbies?

@scottwhitley3392 4 жыл бұрын

DW Kick off! In other cities when the weekends over people will forget about football and go back to their normal lives, in Glasgow it defines everything about a person, their friends, their beliefs, their political views. You could have a 2 minute conversation with someone and figure out what team they support. Even though the football in Scotland pales in comparison to the premier league the people in Glasgow are still fiercely loyal to Scottish football and for a country of five million and a city the size of Manchester to have two teams getting 50k plus fans is quite something I think rangers were still getting similar attendances in the 4th tier.Also unlike other cities in say Ireland or other smaller countries you won’t find many people supporting the big European teams. Another thing I found is as much the old firm hate each other when someone from another countries puts them and Scottish I football down they will still back each other up. I’m from Carlisle and studied in Glasgow for four years it was a great experience in a great city.

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

Really does sound unique, and like a great experience. Compared to Glasgow, Berlin (and many cities) still have a long way to go. Thanks for sharing!

@sansoucci5394 4 жыл бұрын

@@dwkickoff The Root of what sets it apart is Race and Religion. Rangers are a Scottish Protestant team with roots in Glasgow and support from all over Scotland and Britain. and also support from the immigrant ( homecoming) Ulster Scots Protestants who came over from the Protestant areas of the (Ulster) Northern Ireland. celtic were the product of Irish catholic immigration in to Scotland (especially the West of Scotland). Rangers are basically Scottish British and Protestant. celtic are Irish and catholic.

@gtmthegreat 4 жыл бұрын

Was the atmosphere and vibe around BFC Dynamo that bad and hostile?

@Alex89MD 4 жыл бұрын

Bullshit ... there was just not enough time and budget left for the documentary. The right-wing fans are just a lame excuse!

@camorraII1 2 жыл бұрын

probably not! they actually are known to have quite a few left leaning supporters too. They way they were depicted was unfair!

@95Lodgey 4 жыл бұрын

Great video. I find German football fascinating.

@sirstinkalot9121 4 жыл бұрын

Very good documentary! Im fan of Borussia Mönchengladbach, but raised and still living in Berlin I can say, this is pretty accurate! Lets go Union!!!!

@snssssns409 4 жыл бұрын

Hertha will be a good European Team in a few years! They have really good players!

@fabric3427 4 жыл бұрын

My ass

@kaan6107 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@najachero1384 4 жыл бұрын

Die haben schon einige talentierte Jungs aber trotz neuen Investor wird es schwer Spieler wie Arne Meier und Dilrosun zu halten wenn die sich weiter positiv entwickeln.

@snssssns409 4 жыл бұрын

@@najachero1384 Ich glaub schon, dass man sie halten kann. Wenigstens ein zwei Jahre noch. Hier haben sie Perspektive.

@jackcphelps 4 жыл бұрын

0:32 nice

@ehmjay3457 4 жыл бұрын

10:57 ist that Nico @brudivoeller of onefootball germany? :D

@SyzuderCon 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah😂

@KuebelAnemone 4 жыл бұрын

Short answer? No Long answer? No

@Crowned-Qwesi 4 жыл бұрын

Lol... Come on!! 🤣 Give them a chance.

@frankie7529 3 жыл бұрын

Long answer: Nooooo

@socialsciencetamsi6632 4 жыл бұрын

"Soccer" WTF!

@Icke2070 4 жыл бұрын

"hertha and union don't have such a big rivalry" -> Berlin literally burned imagine BFC and union playing against each other

@leandrosdk 4 жыл бұрын

Als es die U23 noch gab, und der BFC da gegen die U23 gespielt hat war es schon Heavy.

@alihabibi2985 4 жыл бұрын

Ali Daei 🙌🏼

@LievenSerge 4 жыл бұрын

0:45 My club 💪🏽 💙💓

@furimmermeinvfl1177 4 жыл бұрын

1. FC Union Berlin👊

@Ceerial 3 жыл бұрын

BFC Viktoria 1889 has two German championships - always wondered if they shouldn't had been the real Hertha. Way cooler name, kit and crest anyway.

@dwkickoff 3 жыл бұрын

Berlin will officially be a football city when Viktoria make it to the Bundesliga as well!

@jonasv1998 4 жыл бұрын

Big yes Been there to games defo a football City

@Rabidanti 4 жыл бұрын

Dislike because of the amount of times the host said 'Soccer'.

@CescSoler 4 жыл бұрын

Tasmania Berlin being named after the state of Australia is just weird.

@simonz7972 4 жыл бұрын

What’s the name of the song at the end??

@krizkeyyy7236 4 жыл бұрын

Kalkbrenner - Sky and Sand

@simonz7972 4 жыл бұрын

@@krizkeyyy7236 thaaanks!!!

@robertwill23 4 жыл бұрын

It's stupid to suggest that city has to have super-rich biggest clubs that are successful in UCL or 1st division or nasty rivalries in order to be considered football city. Who makes that claim? Those for whom football is only Barcelona, Man City and Real?

@FullMetalChains 4 жыл бұрын

Don't know about the first two, but rivalry definitely helps

@bluestMavi 4 жыл бұрын

Does somebody know what song it is in the background at 12:23?

@fredderf_9721 4 жыл бұрын

Sky and Sand - Paul & Fritz Kalkbrenner

@B890Productions 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone know the intro track that comes in around 0.27?

@TheOrtizProject 4 жыл бұрын

I’d go to a bfc match to see what reactions I’d get.

@Kalle612 4 жыл бұрын

it's just a cliche..

@markocroatia7630 4 жыл бұрын

I hope so...

@mr.pezzington9269 4 жыл бұрын

Forgot about Sheffield...

@AFCA-vn9bl 4 жыл бұрын

😂

@_kalash47 9 ай бұрын

Berlin is a footbal city! Respect from Romania Hertha and Union Berlin!

@leewenyeong9892 4 жыл бұрын

Bruh the thumbnail HAHAHA

@unoduetrem540 4 жыл бұрын

Marko Pantelic 0:32

@yourservice6868 2 жыл бұрын

I guess it takes a while, until Herthas efforts to gain fans will pay of. A lot of people in Berlin are relatively new to the city and the football fans among them have already found their club. But their children will probably choose a club to which their peer group has some connection.

@davidmorales886 4 жыл бұрын

The video loses its credibility when the host says “soccer”

@glswenson 4 жыл бұрын

Idiotic. The information is still correct regardless of terminology.

@lehelkovacs1776 4 жыл бұрын

yeah, calling it fúúútból or calcio sounds way better :D

@mtksbctk 4 жыл бұрын

DW: Berlin is not a football city Paris: ...

@edwinwan02 4 жыл бұрын

Paris St Germain

@HerreDePerre 4 жыл бұрын

Edwin Wan its the most soulless club in Europe

@francisr8563 4 жыл бұрын

Edwin Wan Red Star Paris

@PaolOerfurt 4 жыл бұрын

In Olympiastadion goes 70.000 , Union 20.000, Germany 4 time world cup winner what should go much more yet?

@reps4jesus858 4 жыл бұрын

Nö football Club Fan in germany cares realy about the national Team. Its just for Kids, World cup or european cup fans.

@danny-ss5jh 4 жыл бұрын

What about Prague?

@janekverstehtgooglesagbnic1504 4 жыл бұрын

Lol Karate Andi am Start

@Kater_Cool 4 жыл бұрын

11:01 da ist Nico

@dhugiznation3481 4 жыл бұрын

Berlin tag episode,is more famous than Berlin football team

@derrotepaul3485 4 жыл бұрын

Family feeling = Union !

@mcbista1892 3 жыл бұрын

10:58 einfach Nico, ehre. @Onefootball

@sadrequiem 3 жыл бұрын

Hertha BSC really needs a branding refresh, specially the logo.

@roccobln10 2 жыл бұрын

Nah it's one of the oldest club in Bundesliga, you can't change it.

@brettbagels 4 жыл бұрын

People need to relax on the term used for this great game. Just enjoy it

@darthtepes575 2 жыл бұрын

Not cities, but regions Bayern - leverkusen and munchen Borussia - dortmund and monchengladbach

@hounddogde 10 ай бұрын

Leverkusen isn't in Bayern

@Shammm23 3 жыл бұрын

They Need A Rich Investor to draw big players and then their stadium will fill

@unoduetrem540 4 жыл бұрын

With all do respect, the presenter is very awkward on camera. Almost as if he is being held captive and is making this video to tell his family how well he's being treated. Hire me DW!!!

@pushkarparmar5131 3 жыл бұрын

This aged well.

@Terri4hell 4 жыл бұрын

If you stop calling it "Soccer" you might get rid of the dislikes. - Just saying.

@blanche1935 4 жыл бұрын

57 dislikes wow! I am sure they are crying right now. Come on man, they have like 1 k likes, 57 is not a big deal. You guys have to be really sad to judge a documentary just because they use a different term than the one you use. I am not even American or Australian and I also personally prefer the football term, but I think the documentary was well researched and had a really interesting story. I am not going to dislike it for something as childish as that...

@Terri4hell 4 жыл бұрын

@@blanche1935 haha chill mate i did like this video, thought it was amazingly well done! My comment was just banter - supposed to be funny.

@natureVshuman2024 4 жыл бұрын

this is good news for bundesliga

@elmitross 4 жыл бұрын

0:32 ПАНТЕЛА

@CityBeetroot 4 жыл бұрын

0:10 Not mentioning Glasgow and Rotterdam? Calling football soccer? What a shit opening of what could have been an interesting report. I’m out.

@abbo1049 4 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍 except you were annoying calling the beautiful game Soccer 😠 IT'S FOOTBALL

@daniellowry660 4 жыл бұрын

Why so sensitive

@LievenSerge 4 жыл бұрын

Learn the history and stop crying.

@calzonie5763 4 жыл бұрын

The Glasgow derby is loosing its glow

@tiefgefuhlfach5645 Жыл бұрын

This video aged well Union Is currently first place in the German national league Winning not because of money or star players but because of great team play and the best mentality

@nickmullerITFC78 4 жыл бұрын

ITS FOOTBALL AND ALWAYS WILL BE

@m.j.n.808 Жыл бұрын

It's just a word man

@goldenretriever6261 4 жыл бұрын

He used soccer and football in the same sentence.

@keolbsc101 4 жыл бұрын

For ever 🔵⚪️💙 Hertha

@MrTrollo2 4 жыл бұрын

Hamburg has two close-to-bundesliga teams since decades, why should having union and hertha make berlin a great football city? ^^

@TheAzoq 4 жыл бұрын

Turned off after he saying 'soccer'

@dahabaufnacken960 3 жыл бұрын

Misconception here: Berlin has not become more wealthy, just more gentrified. so the poor people are slowly being moved out of the way for rich students and so on.

@blorblor5438 4 жыл бұрын

Tennis Borussia, Mama ich muss ma...

@danielstephenson1233 4 жыл бұрын

For Moscow you missed 'Dinamo'. A fairly shocking oversight. Don't ever get arrested here: they are the police's favourite football team.

@oliverfield877 4 жыл бұрын

Still more a football city than any place in America

@s7umpf 4 жыл бұрын

The German Division ist obviously a reason for Berlin not heaving an international top-team. But the truth lies in the West. The heart of german soccer beats and used to beat in the "Ruhrpott". Then come the bigger cities across the Republic

@trep2219 4 жыл бұрын

Dynamo is best

@captaindh5025 4 жыл бұрын

Union and Hertha are not the only teams in Berlin. Lower league football is way better..

@akaykasel2951 4 жыл бұрын

What about london

@UstashaMe84 4 жыл бұрын

Chelsea.

@neychev 4 жыл бұрын

13:45 Did he just said there is racism in Berlin

@reps4jesus858 4 жыл бұрын

Berlins football History without Dynamo BFC is nothing worth.

@bbcradio7180 4 жыл бұрын

how is this man saying football and soccer in the same video

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

maybe to bring a bit of peace into the eternal football-soccer-word-war?☺️

@coopaloopmex 4 жыл бұрын

UNION!!! UUUUUUUUNION!!!!

@Kater_Cool 4 жыл бұрын

Can you Drive to Cologne?

@sremonkarmakar2715 4 жыл бұрын

we have east bengal and mohunbagan in kolkata,india.

@BruceWayne-ls7nr 4 жыл бұрын

No one gives a fuck about a Third World country without proper toilets

@frankie7529 3 жыл бұрын

Berlin is a sports city with top teams in basketball, ice hockey, volleyball and handball. That is much more interesting than being a soccer city.

@JohnSmith-kd6ip 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe Hertha would be more attractive to people if they changed their name. Hertha is an old woman's name. Imagine "Agatha Madrid", "Harriet London", "Winifred Rome", "Mildred New York".....those teams couldn't possibly be "cool" teams.

@johnfahey6131 4 жыл бұрын

It’s always been a football city for any self respecting football fan who knows his stuff. There’s hundreds of clubs throughout the levels

@dwkickoff 4 жыл бұрын

True, John Fahey. But is it only a city with a lot of football or a football city?

@giftbox2369 2 жыл бұрын

Rome is the capital of Europe, (with the exception of Cardiff) with the least number of championships won. Naples is the largest city in Europe without the football derby.

@giftbox2369 2 жыл бұрын

@@unclecarrot8000 Yes, you are right, at the moment St. Petersburg has removed the primacy in Naples, until a few years ago in St. Petersburg, in addition to Zenit, there was the Dynamo of St. Petersburg which for many years I play in the First Division, and minor teams of the città were the Lokomotive and the Saturn and the Saturn-Lokomotive, when these two merged. However, Naples remains with the distinction of being the European city to have never had a derby in the first division.