Best 30cal for ELR (some thoughts on the subject)

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@briancullen5183 2 жыл бұрын

Never heard a 300 Win Mag called little fella before.😆 Great info once again. Thanks

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, cheers

@fisherus 2 жыл бұрын

Mark, you articulate your explanations so spot-on. You have been my number one backup in quelling arguments I have had with some shooters in my long range lessons I teach new students that have picked up and twisted something from an article they've read or video that they watched. Can't thank you enough for your years of testing and divulging your fact-finding to your viewers.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Craig, great to gave been of help, Cheers

@ZeroBoostBuick 2 жыл бұрын

Almost 60 years later, the 300 WinMag doesn't disappoint weather hunting or shooting LR. Kinda crazy. Excellent video as always. Thank you !

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, Cheers

@altruisticscoundrel 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for continuing to make videos and sharing your knowledge for our education!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

@shawnmoorshead9135 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I think you did a great job explaining the subject without getting complicated. I have had a low key version of this subject with people in my area. And there can be alot to cover and explain. And still make valid points. Especially when they ask lots of questions. I sure do love talking about this stuff in general. I love seeing people get excited about their passion and hobbies. Keep up the great work and content mark and Sam. Love your videos. Be safe. Be happy. Have fun.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, thanks Shawn, Cheers man, all the best.

@therighttoolcompany868 2 жыл бұрын

You did a really good job at answering the question that a lot of people are asking. Good job mate!!!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

@onealjones9039 2 жыл бұрын

I'm just here researching hunting cartridges, I highly doubt I could hit anything past 300yds. But man I love watching your videos. It looks like so much fun hitting targets at those distances. Thanks for putting together such a solid presentation. It's neat.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks O'Neal, cheers

@magnumcipher4971 2 жыл бұрын

Of the dozen or so built rifles I own that range from 6mm/.243’s up to .338 Lapua Magnums, I always circle back to the .300 Winchester Magnum. I have a few, but my shooter is a Remington Model 700 with a simple blueprinted action, with a Remage style 27” 1:9 twist Sendero contour Crown Ridge Barrel Works tube, in a Magpul chassis. Quality loading components are just easier to come across, good brass doesn’t cost a fortune, and high BC bullets (I shoot 225 grain Hornady ELD’s with a G1 of .777). Anyway, as for magnums, I truly believe it’s the sweet spot, even favoring it over the beloved 7mm Remington Magnum. I still love the different challenges that each cartridge comes with to make them perform. Love the channel.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I had a very similar thought process when I decided to start my 300WM project.

@bmstylee 2 жыл бұрын

I loved my 300 Winchester Magnum. I wish I never sold it. But a buddy wanted to dip a toe into long range and I wanted a CZ Shadow 2. But my 338 Lapua Magnum is a hoot as well. I might have to get another 300 Winchester Magnum. Maybe a Bergara.

@timothystallings7191 2 жыл бұрын

Always in joy your video! You do a great job!!! Have a great day!!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim

@warrendebary2225 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for your insight! I'm looking at learning ELR and want to start with an off the shelf option, then build a custom as I become proficient. This explains very well a good thought process to build from. Cheers! Subscribed and Bit of Support sent. Keep up the great work

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, awesome, glad you liked, Cheers

@sunejeppesen4318 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for another great video. I'm running a 30-06 in a MDT ESS chassis - one of the small 'fellas', but then again, I haven't been shooting that much ELR. Personally I would go for a 7 mm or a 6.5 CM over a .300 WM, due to running costs and, shall we say, ease of use. I guess it comes down to personal preferences.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked, Thanks Sune, Cheers

@nuthintoprove 2 жыл бұрын

Hence the title, Best 30 cal for ELR

@ourvaluesarewhoweareinadem4093 2 жыл бұрын

It is incredible how often your videos mirror my interactions at work. Just the other day I was discussing with a customer the advantages of the 300 PRC for the "off the shelf" long range shooter. Good twist rates, good factory loads with heavy bullets, good barrel lengths, etc. I reference and recommend your channel several time a day as I find it one of the most useful and interesting channels on the site. Always great when I see a new upload when I wake up and I can drink my coffee from my 4AW mug and absorb some knowledge. Working on my own 300WM project right now and I'm fixing to pick up one of your 3 or 4 port muzzle breaks at some point in the near future. You guys are fantastic and much appreciated.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear we help, thanks man, Cheers

@prone_wolf8871 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy your discussions Mark.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@redleg1013 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers for another great video, very informative and thought out! I'm running a 30-06 with 190 SMKs and having fun shooting it to 1k (about as far as I can get across the pasture)

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

@kurtisrievert9374 19 күн бұрын

I love you respond to all the comments! Thank you for sharing what you have learned. Where im at in the states 1000 yards in a clearing is the furthest i have found to shoot so far l. .308 win 20" barrel with 175 sierra match kings, 2nd shot at 6 inch plate, l would like to say skill but mostly luck with a 6x scope lol. Love these videos with you and your best friend ❤️

@markandsamafterwork 19 күн бұрын

Thanks Man, cheers

@walterluiz4694 2 жыл бұрын

Very much informations, thank you. Chears

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Walter, Cheers

@TheMikeWash 2 жыл бұрын

Hard to beat a "Subscription Notice: MarkandSam AfterWork posted a new video" As usual - great presentation.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

@robjohnson6747 2 жыл бұрын

As always superb video!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Rob, thanks

@michaelreed1380 2 жыл бұрын

Yup, egos have been the downfall of many men, always enjoyable to put them in their place quietly. Good video, thanks guys. Cheers!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Michael, thanks

@kcrowl1 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video!!!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@junkfingerjimmy 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing. I purchased a Ruger Precision in 300win mag a couple years ago and I love it! The longest range within reason is an hour and a half away from me, I go a couple times a year the longest distance is about 750 yards and I use Hornady eld x 200 grain it's factory ammo but I can hit 12 inch steel all day long at that distance but that's nothing compared to your incredible ELR shooting keep up the great work! Happy New Year Mark and Sam! I would love to see more 300wm videos in the future Thank you!!!!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, and all the best 2022

@westtexas3041 2 жыл бұрын

I have been looking at get into a magnum caliber rifle. I think I will go with the .300 Win Mag now. Thank you for the great information. All of your videos are top shelf!!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Rich, thanks

@timrink256 2 жыл бұрын

Always been impressed by my 300 WSM . Never had a chance to stretch it out to those kind of yardages. Maybe someday I'll get that chance. Thanks for the video. Be safe.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Tim, thanks

@240sxRule Жыл бұрын

JUST going to 2 miles 😂 love it. You guys are awesome.

@markandsamafterwork Жыл бұрын

Cheers Man

@CorwinBos 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent points Mark! Im firmly in that middle ground, comparing 300 Win Mag vs 300 PRC, and getting some ideas on what I want to do.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@todds4101 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Liked the comparisons and the "preferable 30 cal rounds" as compared from small, medium and large.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@davelenertz5912 2 жыл бұрын

Great info Mark Thanks

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave

@sentenall338 2 ай бұрын

My name is Greg Weatherby (no relation to Roy 😊) but everything you have said? You took the words out of my mouth ..love the work sam and your self do ✌️

@markandsamafterwork 2 ай бұрын

Awesome, Cheers Man

@chrischiampo7647 2 жыл бұрын

😀😮😲😀👍🏼 Thanks Mark n Sam You Guys Are The Best 😀😀😀

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Chris, thanks

@daleguthormsen8555 2 жыл бұрын

nicely done, shot a 300wm for 30 years, went to 6.5 cm been considering 6.5 prc or 300 prc. found this video useful.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dale, Cheers

@redrock425 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I've been wondering about as the eventual progression from a .308. Planning ahead! Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos. I'm currently considering 300 PRC, off to watch your video to see what you think...

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, hope you enjoy, Cheers

@redrock425 2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork You are spot on, at least for most of the shooting I could do here in the UK and the average guy's budget. Love the fact that you're practical about all of this not just chasing numbers or polishing egos!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, Cheers again, thanks

@kubikariYOU 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I appreciate your opinion.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

@wynanddewinnaar2217 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark. I’m so glad you are doing some work on the 300 WSM. I am waiting for mine to come through the onerous licensing process we have in South Africa. Your views correspond well to my own research on the calibre rifle. A good mid range all rounder which can be used for hunting and target shooting. I will be doing both in a factory 24” barrel with hand loading. 2000 yards sounds like a good benchmark to work towards. Looking forward to more videos on the 300WSM.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Wynand, yes runs well, glad you liked, cheers and all the best

@linklesstennessee2078 2 жыл бұрын

Good information I like your information because you actually do the ELR so I call that very good information love watching you shoot gives me hope I can’t even lay on a mat no more much less get up but it’s just like me watching you with me there my heavy rifles my grandson has to take to shooting room for me lol so I can clean them lol I can shoot off a bench if he helps me sit and get back up thanks for the videos you and Sam make to bring the info to the shooting sports

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, glad you like them, Cheers and all our best.

@MichealJACKSON-ly6cd 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for all the hours of work and the common sense notions regarding distance applications. I am really torn about buying the easy button in the 300 or 7 prc chamberings but your success up to 220 grn with thr wsm makes me believe it's at least doable and maybe less in the expense department. Either way your Chanel is as always entertaining and informative. Thanks guys.

@markandsamafterwork 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Mike, Cheers man

@stanlong-rangepensionerman3363 2 жыл бұрын

Like Allways very informative

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Stan, thanks

@tucobenedicto1780 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this video. Sometimes I think the manufacturers create new cartridges (that perform nearly identically to already existing cartridges) simply from a business perspective.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, lol, Cheers

@googleuser8448 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. 👍👍

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@RookCustoms 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always although surprised 300 Weatherby didn't get any love.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@lyndonhamby7432 2 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to seeing the wsm at ULR. Great job you guys 👍👍

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Few months yet, but coming, Cheers

@lyndonhamby7432 2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork can’t wait 👍

@thecheapshot1065 2 жыл бұрын

Hey brother it's the guy that runs TheCheapShot KZfaq channel here. I just want to thank you for all your videos I've been in the long guns the past 3 years you're one of the KZfaqrs out there that I felt gave such great information that it made me want to go on and make KZfaq videos. I'm getting better camera presents every week I'm still trying to figure out how I want my format to be but I just want to say thank you. For the past two years I've even had a deal worked out with black hound Optics where I was giving a referral bonus it bought me a couple of guns it paid for some camera equipment. That wouldn't have happened without your videos inspiring me

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks Man, and very glad to inspire, all the best with your efforts, Cheers

@amirdzaferovic3489 2 жыл бұрын

great video!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Amir, thanks

@gazzore7339 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the non biased, well presented run down Mark, I have the PRC, 400 rounds in and I’m wrapped, the only thing I like more than your content is Sams little giggle when you’re plinking the gong, she’s a good chicken 👍

@markandsamafterwork Жыл бұрын

Thanks man, Cheers

@farmerbrown84 2 жыл бұрын

Shot a lot of ELR here in Europe with people using 300 RUM (some countries had caliber restrictions) - I've seem them shoot awesomely out to 2500 yards. But I must say more and more people are up-gunning over the last few years, with the 300 and 338 Norma becoming popular and of course the 375/408 CheyTac and 416 Barrett. The latest fashion seems to be the 33XC and 37XC.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@heinrichstoltz1356 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for another great chat and presentation. My mind was already pretty set on a 300PRC due to the good choices in factory rifles with heavy 26” barrels and faster rate of twist than on factory 300WM offerings. After watching your discussion from today, my decision is firm. Choosing a factory rifle leaves more money in the budget for the optic.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@falba1492 2 жыл бұрын

The twist rate on the 300 PRC is advantageous if you’re shooting 245 grain plus projectiles, if not, it’s a non issue. Personally, I love the efficiency you get with the 300 WSM. You will be using 3 to 4 grains less powder to achieve the same velocities. At present, more of availability of brass, and ammo. I also love you can get a Winchester M70 All Weather in stainless, which is not cheap, but the best quality rifle you can get for the money. IMO. That said, the 300 PRC is a great choice, but much less variety of components and less efficient with its powder consumption.

@heinrichstoltz1356 2 жыл бұрын

@@falba1492 I need to shop what is available in South Africa. Buying another rifle and then replacing a barrel is not practical in this market. Firstly, if I was to buy the rifle today, I'll be lucky if the South African Police Service has accepted my application and motivation and then issued my firearm license in a year. Let us thus assume that I am lucky and in July 2022, I get my rifle, the process of replacing a barrel is likely just as long. Therefore, once the license on the new barrel is issued, I can take it to a gunsmith for the necessary replacement. In a perfect world, I will have a heavy contour barrel on the alternative rifle in the second half of 2023 - if I am lucky. Then getting back to what is available in our market. Yes, you can buy a 300WSM over here, in very limited offerings and on average at least double the cost of a .300PRC which already has a heavy profile barrel. And will work in the ELR application that I want to compete in South Africa. If I was not in this market, I would have considered something substantially larger than one of the indicated chamberings.

@falba1492 2 жыл бұрын

@@heinrichstoltz1356 - Now I understand you’re predicament. I was considering a 300 PRC build two years ago, with Bergara’s custom shop here in the US. But then I purchased a new old stock Steyr in 300 H&H, and didn’t really feel the need for the 300 PRC. I would not be shooting ELR, and if I was going to use 250 grain projectiles, I’d do that in my 338 Win Mag.

@paulharding1621 2 жыл бұрын

A man once said “use enough gun” can’t remember who, perhaps Elmer Kieth? Great content and consideration for budget. A good friend of mine, sadly gone, used to say that expensive gear does not compensate for bad marksmanship. He was my pistol shooting mentor and a fine rifleman.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul, Cheers

@bmstylee 2 жыл бұрын

I love the 300 Winchester Magnum. I might have to buy another one after selling my Savage to a buddy. I wish I never sold that gun. It was super accurate.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Bill, thanks

@roryrohrer7640 2 жыл бұрын

7mm norma mag would be my ultimate ELR rifle with a 30" barrel. I think it would be able to have decent barrel life while sending 195s down range at 3200 fps which wouldn't even go transonic on tell about 2300-2400 yards. I haven't maxed out my 7 rem mag yet so just going to work with what I have. Cheers and great video.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@wickedtrutharms57 2 жыл бұрын

I like the 300 weatherby. Had a lot of luck with it at elr.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

@roadkillanonymous4807 9 ай бұрын

Cheers from Canada. I’m no ELR shooter but do enjoy seeing how far I can plink at things and more importantly am a hunter - for me I don’t think I’d ever pull the trigger on a living breathing animal beyond 600 yards for ethical reasons regardless of ability, maybe I’ll feel differently in the future but the way I see it time of flight starts to matter and animals can move unpredictably increasing the odds of a cruel, not swiftly fatal, wound. But for just pure long range shooting for the fun of it I love your channel. As a hunter, shooter, handloader, and all around rifle looney, 30 caliber magnums remain my favourite all purpose cartridges. They really do hit a sweet spot of being manageable to shoot proficiently from a rifle that isn’t necessarily too heavy to lug around all day, have trajectories that are hard to match with the bigger bores, and hit with an authority and penetration ability on large game that the 7mms and smaller calibers simply do not.

@roadkillanonymous4807 9 ай бұрын

For my hunting and long range capable rifle I went with .300 win mag for all the reasons you cited. It just works. Handloads with a 225 eld m at 2800 or so are about the max capability possible with its 10 twist, a savage 111 long range hunter model. Another rifle that I’ve got my eye on is the browning max long range model, it’s a .300 RUM that comes with an 8 twist right from the factory! That’s gonna be very hard to beat. And don’t count out the old .300 weatherby - Peterson makes brass for it now.

@markandsamafterwork 9 ай бұрын

Cheers

@TubeDobs 2 жыл бұрын

when I read the title I instantly said to myself 300win mag

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@withoutfurtheradoforever 2 жыл бұрын

So did I. But I also thought, " Mark will praise the 300PRC ", and now I really really want one! 😊

@jeanvanzyl5913 2 жыл бұрын

You should get some Peregrine Bullets, Its made here in South Africa. More of our ELR shooters is switching over to the Peregrine Glider Range Master bullets. Would like to see you test them and your thoughts on it.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@timmcfarland3311 2 жыл бұрын

I’m in the middle of setting up the .300 RUM I’ve been waiting on my barrel for months finally getting it next week it’s going on a rem 700 action it’s 1.25” for 6” then straight taper to 1.15” @ 33” 1-8 twist so I’ll be ordering one of your 4 port muzzle breaks for the front the biggest threads we can squeeze on there so I’m getting excited to start loads development

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, great to hear Tim, Cheers

@danelobe2524 2 жыл бұрын

.30-378 is awesome for killing animals at stupid ranges, but my everyday carry truck rifle is the .300wsm. I think you can do anything with the .30 calibers well. What a great video. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.. cheers mate !!!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Dane, thanks

@jda4879 2 жыл бұрын

I built a 300 rum damn good shooting rifle I don't reload so cost to run was expensive sold the rifle and went back to 300 win mag

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

As said, reloading is a key to at least some of this, Cheers

@laszlovandor4770 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, thank You ! Has anyone here rebarreled an FN SPR to a 300 WSM ?

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers, and ask your gunsmith.

@dhbikerczar 2 жыл бұрын

I can’t stand a belted case. I have a 358 Norma mag. I love everything about it but the belted case. With that said, I’ve gone with a 300 PRC and a 300 Norma Mag improved. I think both are amazing cartridges. I think the 300 PRC is probably the best of the shelf setup you can get these days. Mine is a Seekins, shoots well under 1/2 MOA at 400 yards, and I’ve only done seating depth testing, not charge testing. Thanks for the video, it’s good info for sure!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@K-bob_45 2 жыл бұрын

Based on bolt face and capacity I think that 30 nosler would be the ticket. Loaded out to 3.6 it would probably run with the Norma and on a standard magnum bolt face

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@cacinaz8802 2 жыл бұрын

I have watched and enjoyed your ELR shoots with the 300wm and 7mm rem mag. My 300wm (hunting, not an ELR rig) will be finished in August - can't wait. You have given me confidence that I made the right choice for LR hunting and some sport shooting - AZ, USA. I seriously doubt I could come close to hitting targets as far away as you are able to hit. BUT.... why not try?

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Allen thanks

@lovetoflylovetofly3843 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation of this subject. Thanks

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

@YukarisGearReviews 2 жыл бұрын

Have you folks looked at the 225 grain ELD-M in a 308? Lots and lots of drop, but it seems to be one of those bullets that can stay supersonic for a very long time in a 308.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

no, Cheers

@jerrysnyder9388 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent info. Coming from the 6mm Dasher world, I would love to shoot something bigger. If for just the opportunity to try something new. Thanks once again.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jerry, thanks

@robcullen9984 2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou Amazing how a 50 ish year old round is still right up the new kids bum (300 prc) with all the current tech available now Go figure lol Im still going to look at Prc for next one though Cheers Rob

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rob, glad you liked, Cheers

@joshjamesguitar 2 жыл бұрын

Well in factory vs factory rifles, the PRC is definitely ahead. Now custom vs custom they are nearly identical

@ThePaulv12 2 жыл бұрын

Not that I know much but I figure the idea of PRC rounds is for the guy who wants to buy an off the shelf precision rifle and wants an off the shelf precision round to go with it - thereby saving hand loading but still getting a good taste, albeit of the lower portion of extreme range.

@joshjamesguitar 2 жыл бұрын

@@ThePaulv12 Yes that's pretty much it, even though reloading is an excellent idea anyway.

@ThePaulv12 2 жыл бұрын

@@joshjamesguitar A bit like the non rock climber that pays to climb Everest LOL.

@slipknnnot 2 жыл бұрын

Great analysis. I wonder if you guys are going to test the new AMP press. I am wondering how this new tool can translate to ELR. We have some guys that are going to test it for F class but we need one for the ELR ambassadors of the community lol

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Pazazi, no plans at this stage, my calibrated figure tips work well for the moment, lol, Cheers

@slipknnnot 2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork haha that's what I said. It would be great if we can crowd source something or if those blokes in NZ can send you a unit to test sometime in the future. Cheers

@MrPh30 2 жыл бұрын

.300 Wby is hard to beat also,it saw some millitary use . Especially by the Argentine commandos for areas with hard wind,rough terrain use.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

In the mix, Cheers

@agskytter8977 2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork The 300wby always outperformed the 300winmag in the old days at 1000yds benchrest. Usually with 220SMK.

@BooDamnHoo Жыл бұрын

Mark, I recently watched a related video of yours reviewing/testing Warner Tool Flatline bullets. I have a set of these bullets for my .308 but I also have a set of Alco Bullets. I have found a fair number of Flat Line bullet tests and reviews here on KZfaq, I have trouble finding good Alco Bullet tests. They are also a precise machined bullet with very high BCs (I just received a box of 175gr 308 bullets from them with a listed BC1 of .707). The Alco's LOOK good but I have concerns about them, especially from the perspective of loading from a magazine. They have needle sharp extended tips (made of non-hardened steel so they are NOT AP) that can actually puncture your fingers if you aren't careful with them. Where Warner Tools indicates they determine their BC via doppler radar over the full flight path of the bullets, Alco doesn't specify how they measured theirs. I'd love to see you check them out and see 1) are the BCs accurate?; and 2) can they be safely fed via magazine? On #2 I wonder because I am not yet sure you could even load them to magazine length with their LONG needle nose, and I also wonder if that sharp tip would be damaged by the feed ramp as you chamber it from a magazine, which could totally screw up the ballistics or, certainly, their accuracy.

@markandsamafterwork Жыл бұрын

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@geoffkeeler5106 2 жыл бұрын

And for even more extremes, how about a .300 version of either the 7.92 X 94 German anti-tank or even more so the longer Polish version at 107 mm. Probably just enough barrel life to get it sighted in - but what horsepower!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@ronaldvigue5124 2 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy hearing your views on this Mark. My local range only goes to 600 yards but precision is fun so just for the heck of it I've built up 4 rifles for it. One in 223, one in 6.5 Grendel, one in 308, and the last is 300 Win Mag. All able to stay on the 3 inch gong at 600 which is a wonderfully fun game to play.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

@BigSmartArmed 2 жыл бұрын

Original 7.62mm smokeless powder calibers were selected primarily to facilitate MG requirements, with logistical compatibility to battle rifles. ELR is an entirely different field of application, there are no terminal ballistics requirements, a hit is a score. To me shooting a cartridge with more energy then 54R/30-06 is a pain.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

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@blueridgeboy7721 2 жыл бұрын

Thankyou for a great video. Just out of curiosity, between the 300 win mag and a 7 mm rem mag which would you choose if you could only have one? Or between the 300 rum and the 30-378 weatherby which would you choose if you could only have one?

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry, no more to say than said, lol, Cheers

@MrJtin69 2 жыл бұрын

Id say for the avg and budget id say 308 for cheap for mid 300 weatherby mag and for any price range 30-378 weatherby

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

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@derekedgley5074 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll stick with my Lazzeroni 308 Warbird

@blueridgeboy7721 2 жыл бұрын

Got any videos of it? Just curious.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@sendit6011 2 жыл бұрын

Horsepower all the way 💪 🐎

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

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@maartensswanepoel11 2 жыл бұрын

What about the 300 Weatherby Magnum, Nosler makes a 210 gr Long Range Accubond factory load for it that shoots very well.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

In the mix, Cheers

@holl0918 10 ай бұрын

300PRC, or 30SM if you like it.

@markandsamafterwork 10 ай бұрын

Cheers

@joecizin9357 2 жыл бұрын

🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀👍

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

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@SGTvolcan 2 жыл бұрын

When someone asks me what's the kinetic energy of my 7.62x54R 203g softpoint. I'll respond 4 and a half horse power.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, Cheers

@BigSmartArmed 2 жыл бұрын

Without serous recoil mitigation, 54r/30-06 is as high as it goes when it comes to realistic shooting. 300 win mag is already too much. To me if I can't shoot 40 rounds in one session without destroying my shoulder, then it's a no go cartridge.

@SGTvolcan 2 жыл бұрын

@@BigSmartArmed That's why we need rail guns to become a civilian hunting fab.

@BigSmartArmed 2 жыл бұрын

@@SGTvolcan where I'm at it's impossible to find the distance to shoot standard 30 cals, much less magnums. That's why I gave up. There is simply no range to do any sort of standard distance shooting, it's just a waste of powder.

@SGTvolcan 2 жыл бұрын

@@BigSmartArmed I feel ya, i bought an AR-15 a few months ago and the only range where i live goes out to 50 yards at max. I'm going to have to chat up with some farmers to be allowed to shoot on their land to really get a use out of my 16" barrel AR. But Rail guns are just awesome, kinda like an eco friendly electric gun.

@wesleyturner1979 2 жыл бұрын

Super Heavy, 300wsm in a long action with a brake or suppressor. Hopefully you can spot your shots if it’s heavy enough. The long action will allow you to set out 200 ish VLDs out past short action mag length near 3000 fps. 28” 1-9 heavy barrel

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

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@CHenry1951 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, but I'll stick with the " baby " .308 Win............if you know its limit !!

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, Cheers

@Allen338LM 2 жыл бұрын

Are y'all going to do a 6.8 Western build? Also what's your thoughts on that round

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

No time soon, we'll stick with the 270win for testing the 6.8mm pills, Cheers

@hantusmostert 2 жыл бұрын

Just no

@devinb3397 2 жыл бұрын

Hi mark what cartridge would you use if cost, recoil, noise ect wasn’t an option. What’s the biggest baddest cartridge you can could set up in aus?

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Well biggest and baddest is not the best, but beyond that, you will have wait for that video, Cheers

@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 2 жыл бұрын

Your .300 WSM load looks to be considerably longer than the .308 Win. Are you running the WSM in a true short action, or are you running it in a standard length action with some freebore so you can seat the longer bullets out further and not take up so much case capacity?

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

This is for ELR, and yes as a rule we run the throats forward for such duties, in displayed, all rounds are set up to optimum spec, Cheers

@roderick6113 2 жыл бұрын

Have you tried Alco bulletsfor ELR? I can only get the bullet out to 1500m with them and they seem very consistent in design, length, and weight. I'm just curious if they could have an advantage over some of these bullets that can be inconsistent ojive or grain weight.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Haven't tried, sorry, Cheers

@glockparaastra 2 жыл бұрын

Takes a .30cal cannon to run really high BC bullets. 6.5mm bullets give higher BC so much "easier". I'm running a 308Win to 1120m but it's pushing it... 6.5CM, PRC or 7mm SAUM is the way to go, imo.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

As said, more about the conditions and the terrain....Cheers

@glockparaastra 2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork agreed. I'm very impressed with your 300WSM setup. In general, .30 cal bullets are cheaper and more readily available too. In my country anyway.

@borisj4054 2 жыл бұрын

From all this I guess it boils down to, what ever 30 cal you have stick to it as there is little gain in changing to another. For me 300WinMag is powerful enough to do the same job and all the components are easily and economically available. More so than many of the others. Can’t imagine where a 30-378 has significant ability over a 300WinMag in outcome except in the cost of running and firearm availability’s

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@gunsvs2686 2 жыл бұрын

As someone who is just getting into long (longer, definitly not ELR yet) range shooting how do you feel about belted vs non-belted magnums. There seems to be a lot of opinions saying to stay away from belted magnums based on alot of theoretically downsides and yet no one seems to have actually experienced them. Is modern case design really a huge improvement or is it just typical internet BS?

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

No difference, we have lots of videos discussing these and many more details, Cheers

@walterluiz4694 2 жыл бұрын

And how about an .30 4AW???

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Plenty of good ones already, we don't need to get on the new cartridge band wagon, lol, Cheers

@EchoTangoSuitcase 2 жыл бұрын

As much as I enjoy your channel, I'm not in your league. COULD I be? Who knows? Truth be told, I'm not likely to put in that much work. Yes, I have a .300WM, but I have a soft spot in my heart for probably the most underappreciate cartridge there is... The venerable .30-06

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Eric, Cheers

@wickedtrutharms57 2 жыл бұрын

Where is the 300 weatherby?

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, we don't have one, Cheers

@kuronyan3006Ackley Жыл бұрын

👍💡⭕☀️🎵⤴️

@markandsamafterwork Жыл бұрын

Cheers

@letoubab8278 2 жыл бұрын

hello Mark, what about the 284 Shehane while you were looking at the Cal. Greetings from🇸🇳

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Discussion is about 30 cal.....we will look into .284 cal (7mm) later, Cheers

@letoubab8278 2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork Mark You are 100% right I expressed myself wrongly. My question What do you think of the 284 Shehane Greetings to Sam and have a great week

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Haven't used one sorry, Cheers