I find it funny that Thawne’s character has fluctuated so much that you have to rank him by era’s

the fact that a good reverse flash appearance created arguably the best episode of season 9 and an extremely good episode overall just goes to show how good of a villain he is.

zoom was perfect, one of, if not, my favorite villain overall. And season 2 being fantastic as well.

I miss old speedster villians. How Zoom could kill everyone on the room with superspeed. Did we saw scenes like this? Godspeed since his appearence in s6 killed only 1 people(Nora's best friend). In past, you knew that evil speedster could have kill everyone on the room. And everyone had his special thing. Thawne with his vibrations. Zoom with time remnants. Savitar with blades. Now, everyone just throw lightning at each other. Everyone gets plot armor, even NPCs.

I wish they kept bloodwork longer, the only good villain Eric wrote

You forgot the worst villian that transcended beyond the show… Eric Wallace

Zoom is easily the best villain in my opinion. He had all the mystery of the Reverse Flash along with the Menace that came from being highly intelligent but he was far more ruthless and brutal, having zero problem murdering anyone whenever he felt like it. Plus the black eyes, the demonic suit, Tony Todd's voice really made you believe he was something inhuman.

Cobalt Blue had potential in my opinion. The rivalry he has with Barry was practically there, since of course he is Eddie, and the concept of the NSF choosing him makes perfect sense. but as mentioned the structure of the season, and lack of proper development just ruined the character

The first 4 seasons were so good. It's a true shame it ended like this.

I really don't know how Eric Wallace did Bloodwork so well.

Although Bloodwork didn’t have as much screentime as most of the other villains before him, I think he was executed very well. Honestly I don’t know how else they could have expanded his arc.

Eric Wallace makes Thawne look like a saint. I hope you make a video talking about Eric’s time as the show runner

Glad to see Devoe getting the respect he deserves, season 4 is easily my favorite season, it was the first time Barry was up against someone who could think faster then he could run and devoe really had a plan for all of Barry’s plans.. really wish they didn’t go down the body swop route as well though. Also something about savitar had me shook, bro was WAY faster then zoom and the way they showed iris “dying”? Nah

It's weird that Matt letscher eobard only got a full season villain story in legends and not in flash is crazy to think about. Grant and Matt work so well together with the little we have seen from them.

I’m glad you mentioned how Grant should have appeared more often as Savitar in Season 3. On its own, the fact that Savitar IS Barry is why I believe, if Grant had been given more of chance, Savitar could have surpassed Thawne and Zoom for the title of best villain. He had the potential!

I think the reason why Cicadas name is different is because Nora altered the timeline at the end of season 4 and someone else became Cicada

Blood work is actually my 2nd fav villain behind og thawne. I just love how blood work would tempt Barry in “the last temptation of Barry Allen part 1” he was so menacing and felt like a actual threat

Man we took those first 4 seasons for granted, all those villains despite being a slow burn, we’re all built up to well, made very intimidating, and badass and I feel like the flash just never caught that same magic after season 4

I feel like not having the rogues led by captain cold as the main villains of season was a missed opportunity, the rivalry between cold and flash would've been so cool to develop over an entire season

I actually like Godspeed, just wish he was treated better and written better

I really feel Savitar was wasted towards the ending of S3 which is pretty reasonable why he would have been placed in number 4.

I recently watched the first 2 seasons and Zoom is just so much more interesting than I even remember. I'd completely forgotten how much he parallels Barry and how much he pushes Barry's development over the course of the season. Season 1 Thawne was the best villain, but as an antagonistic force I think Zoom is unrivalled, the way he makes Barry suffer and grow over the course of the season, and even by the end he's broken enough to create Flashpoint. But what's even more interesting is the subtle things, like the difference between Hunter and Zoom. Zoom is a monster, he's not a man, he's an unstoppable force, but Hunter is very much a man, and I love how quickly you see his insanity when he takes off the mask. As soon as he starts talking you're like "oh wow this guy is just a maniac", but he's stuck as that little boy that watched his dad murder his mom, that's why he needs to be the monster. He's just like Barry, except different circumstances in Barry's life saved him from becoming Hunter, instead Barry is stuck as that little boy who's mother was murdered, and thats why he needs to be the hero. All of this culminating in Barry using Zoom's signature move, the ability he used to "play hero", and being an actual hero, sacrificing himself to save the multiverse.

Ahh thank youuu!! The Thinker when played by Neol Sandilands was so gooooood, such underrated actor and character!! It was so refreshing seeing a non speedster villain as the msin one, his origin was so good, and the actor absolutely embodied him perfectly, the soomthing yet disturbing way he talked, his emotions, Just perfect. And Bloodwork is so underrated, I loved his role in season in as well, he outshined the other villains.

Tony Todd as Zoom and Tobin Bell as Savitar is what made those two villains two of my favorites. I’m a big horror movie fan and Tony Todd in Candyman and Tobin Bell in Saw are amazing

14:42 Eobard mentioned how he put on the Wells face to mess with Barry because he has more of an emotional connection to that face then Matt's Thawne + in the words of Thawne "Hansome"

I'd say that out of all of them, Zoom is my favourite villain. I don't know how to word it but RF to me is more like an "antagonist" and not a villain, like he doesn't compare to Zoom's ruthlessness/brutality when I look back at Seasons 1 & 2. Sure RF was definitely a 'bad guy' but he had clear motives for why he ended up doing what he does, Zoom on the other hand was (as described in S9) a junkie who didn't care who got in his way to get the speed he so desperately wanted. RF was more meticulous and cunning in comparison.

I like Matt’s version more then Tom’s because that psychotic side of RF is true to who Eobard is in the comics. Now he is cold and calculating but he goes out of his way to let Barry know he’s tryna destroy his life by acting crazy. And BL what you said about Wellsobard being overused and written poorly in later seasons, I completely agree with that.

Reverse has fluctuated so vastly and there’s also different versions and actors playing him; you can’t just do one single ranking for him, I agree it has to be by era or season/arc. At this point, with the finale, even Savitar and Zoom get a second version (which are terrible).

Wish we saw more of Matt’s reverse flash. Don’t get me wrong I love Tom when he’s reverse flash . But man Just Matt’s energy is so good especially when him and Grant are acting on screen together.

10:43 They explained in this season that his name changed because of changes in the timeline (Nora stopping the enlightenment, changing the present events causing Cicada to come earlier than when his suppose too) so the original cicada doesn't become Cicada. I would direct swap number 11 and 13, as the younger Cicada did more in few episodes than mirror princess did in 2 seasons.

My ranking of every flash Villians 16)Eric Wallace/Iris West 15)Mirror Monarch 14)The Forces/The Speed Force 13)Cicada 2 12)The Negative Forces/The Negative Speed Force 11)Red Death 10)Cicada 9)Godspeed 8)Cobalt Blue 7)Despero 6)Deathstorm 5)The Thinker 4)Bloodwork 3)Savitar(S3) 2)Zoom(S2) 1)Reverse Flash(S1-S5)

i have to say that i think matt worked best on legends of tomorrow he is such a menace there lord. kills people and is actually kinda scary but also have some good moments of humanity such as when he talks with ray in the space pod. i think it was pretty stupid to keep tom as reverse flash after season 1 tbh i makes zero sense execept when barry time travels back.

I think Cicada was one of the most wasted potential for a villain since he started off REALLY strong and intimidating with just murdering people. And his ability to cancel powers wouldve been really interesting as Barry had grown reliant on his powers. But they just completely threw it away by having Caitlyn be immune and just make him useless so Barry could beat him up. If they had it so Barry had to be smart, use planning, and maybe take fighting lessons from Oliver, it couldve been amazing, but they didnt. Also shouldve let my guy murder more people that was fun to watch

The zoom plot twist was perfect because comic book shows are usually limited by the fact that they usually follow the source material so making a twist that was completely new while still following the main comic source material

Agreed Cobalt Blue could’ve been better if he just had more episodes to develop. Aldo fans wanted Cobalt Blue because they wanted him, Eddie to be Barry’s long lost twin brother like in the comics

It really speaks to how overused Thawn was that they didn’t bring him back again to be the final villain of the series.

Finding out just now Tony Todd was zooms voice blew me away. I swear I normally pay attention to credits but my gosh did he kills it as always.

Man, the amount of rose color glasses with savitar is insane. At the time I remember people calling it was an alternate barry really early on, the reveal dragged on too much and nobody liked it because of how obvious it was while feeling it was smart. But hey, later flash seasons do that to you I guess

I remember when the Bloodwork arc made everyone think Eric Wallace would fix the show. If only we knew…

They did explain why orlin is cicada. Thawne had nora help barry with the satellite because he somehow knew it would make a new cicada so they could beat him. David hersch is cicada in every other universe as sherlouque says.

Arrowverse Zoom is insanely awesome and underrated, and I genuinely think that should be the go to version of the character from here on out. Comics and otherwise.

You forgot. The main villain of the final season is Eric Wallace

I wish Matt letscher had more time as reverse flash

Season 1 was the greatest season and one of the best in all TV Shows I have ever watched. Season 1 Thawne was def the best villain on the show for me

17:02 I literally called it that Savitar was Barry by about episode 12-13 and later found that so did most fans online at that point, and they waited until episode 20/21 of 23 to reveal him

Eu tava sentindo falta desses tipos de vídeo, saudades

Thawne, savitar and bloodwork are the only villans where i can hear their theme songs just by looking at them

I think that the show should've ended at season 8, with the final battle between Flash and Reverse-Flash, which would also be the final battle between the positive and negative Speed Forces. It was a great climactic moment that would've bookended the show with Thawne being the villain of the first and last seasons. But instead we got Cobalt Blue.

Hot take but Matt Letscher is a better reverse flash than Tom not just because Tom was overused but because the rivalry between Barry and him is truly felt anytime he’s on screen and also the way he portrays thawne feels more natural than anything Tom did after S1

Good points, but not every villain needs to have beef with Barry. The secondary characters also exist in the show and a villain focused on them can work.

Loved this video! Are you doing this villain ranking for the other Arrowverse shows?

Season 1 Reverse Flash is truly terrifying

Zoom is my favourite Villain of the series I liked how creepy and quite scary he was in the show.

This is PERFECT 😊

Genuinely every time Tom Cavanagh appeared as Reverse Flash after season 1 (except the flashback episodes) it made me so mad, because it made no sense, that and, including Legends of Tomorrow, Eobard Thawne is killed on like 4 separate occasions. Matt proved that he could play Eobard perfectly on multiple occasions and it was so sad to see them not using him so many times.

Zoom is 100% my favorite from the series

Mirror Monarch is a great villain She had depth and interesting powers that made her threatening. Unpopular opinion probably but whatever.

The thing that killed it for me atleast is that they milked the show and the showdown of barry and thawne so much to the point where im not even exicted to see how it ends... you almost forget all the pain that thawne inflicted to barry and the team where it doesnt feel as impactful because that was many seasons ago. Its just them holding a grudge on eachother or atleast thats what it feels like

10:48 they did explain that. David Hersch was the original person struck by a piece of the satellite, and who originally became Cicada, but thanks to Nora’s intervention, it was now Grace who was struck

Completely agree with ur opinions on savitar he’s extremely underrated

Cicada, is by far, the worst. A guy who can literally be shot with a normal gun(no healing, super durability or superspeed) poses a threat for the whole season. All they needed to do is Barry bringing Joe to Cicada, Joe shooting him - bam. And him being able to fly wouldn't help - bullets are faster.

Now that the show has ended you should do a full ranking video for the 9 seasons. Your Arrowverse rankings are really nostalgic.

Really good list man but I will say Tom Cavanagh has always been doing incredible acting in my opinion

Honestly the structure of series villain could of been a bit stronger cause here’s how I would change a few elements S1-Reverse Flash S2-Zoom S3-Savitar S4-Thinkerer S5-Cicada”Orlin S6-Bloodwork&Deathstorm S7-Cicada”grace S8-Godspeed S9-Reverse Flash&Coblat Blue

Zoom should have been as much a recurring villain as reverse flash for 2 reasons 1 zoom and reverse flash are technically the same supervillain alias worn by both thawne and zolomon with the same yellow costume. 2 Zolomon also kiilled Barry's Dad which makes his grudge with Barry almost as personal as Thawne killing his mom.

I'm noticing it's not just the writing but the way they do lighting and lightning in the earlier seasons that look better

My Ranking my Main Villains of the Flash: 15.The Speed Force/The Forces 14.The Negative Forces/Negative Speed Force 13. Red Death 12.Negative Flash 11.Godspeed 10.Mirror Monarch 9.Cicada/Cicada 2 8.Cobalt Blue 7.Despero 6.Deathstorm 5.Savitar My Top 4 which are the Best: 4.The Thinker 3.Bloodwork 2.Reverse Flash 1.Zoom And a Plus Bonus as an Honorable Mention:Eric Wallace.

Imagine if they had done a season arc with Black Flash instead of the speedforce forces family, the mirror monarch or the red death

Matt Letscher was great as Thawne and could be one of the best main villains on the show, but I disagree with you that he could surpass Tom Cavanagh’s Thawne, because of the mystery behind it all back in S1 was really well executed. "Wells-Thawne" got in a weird way creepier and creepier throughout the season and I don’t think Matt Letscher could ever replace that feeling if mystery and eerieness, and while he Matt was a great Thawne, Tom’s performance in S1 is unmatched.

I'm rather pleased with how high you placed Bloodwork. Love him in the comics, loved him in the series. I mean, who can argue against Flash vs zombies?

Great video. In fact, it serves to remind us how underwhelming the villains were.

15. Speed Force (Season 7A) 14. Negative Still Force (Season 8C 13. Ryan Wilder Red Death (Season 9A) 12. August Heart Godspeed (Season 7B) 11. Eva McCulloch Mirror Monarch (Season 6B) 10. Grace Gibbons Cicada ll (Season 5B) 9. Orlin Dwyer Cicada (Season 5A) 8. Deathstorm (Season 8B) 7. Despero (Season 8A) 6. Eddie Thawne Cobalt Blue (Season 9B) 5. Clifford DeVoe The Thinker (Season 4) 4. Barry Allen Savitar (Season 3) 3. Ramsey Rosso Bloodwork (Season 6A) 2. Eobard Thawne Reverse Flash (Season 1) 1. Hunter Zolomon Zoom (Season 2) So here’s the deal 19 villains just seems to much for me so I decided to only put the villains that were established from the beginning to be the big bads and not all the ones who were arguably unnecessary which 3 of them were the Reverse Flash You can disagree and argue but it won’t change my mind 1-4 are the good villains, 5-8 are the decent villains and 9-15 are the bad villains just for more specificity

Something I have learned over the course of the the Eric Wallace era is he goes by this philosophy. "We'll give you what you want. but we don't have to make it good"

I think it would have been cooler if he was named Pollux to reference the first speedster the flash fought on live television in the flash(1997)

17: Speed Force (Season 7A: God Complex) 16: Grace Gibbons/Cicada II (Season 5) 15: Negative Still Force (Season 8C: It’s All Negative) 14: Mirror Mistress (Season 6B: Reflections and Lies) 13: Negative Speed Force (Season 9B: A New World) 12: Cicada (Season 5) 11: Red Death (Season 9A: Rogue War) 10: Negative Thawne (Season 9C: It’s All Negative) 9: Goodspeed (Season 7B: Godspeed Imperative) 8: Cobalt Blue (Season 9B: A New World) 7: The Thinker (Season 4) 6: Deathstorm (Season 8B: Death Revisted) 5: Despero (Season 8A: Armageddon) 4: Savitar (Season 3) 3: Bloodwork (Season 6: Blood and Truth) 2: Zoom (Season 2) 1: Reverse Flash (Season 1, 5, 9)

Zoom was the scariest 😳

My favorites: 1. Zoom 2. Savitar 3. Weather Wizard 4. Trickster 5. King Shark 6. Grodd 7. Reverse Flash My least favorites: 1. Red Death 2. Godspeed 3. Chill-lame 4. Cicada I 5. Mirror Monarch

Great points made about Thawne being overused. All I could think of is that his back must be hurting from carrying that show all those years. Red Death was an absolute mess. My Idea is that it should've been a multiversal version of S1 Oliver, who became more brutal after his version of the Glades(and tried to steal Barry's speed to be more effective). I liked Cobalt Blue, and I think the whole season should've been about him. Blue bringing back all the speedsters was cool, but waisted. It should've been a more experienced Flash taking them all down(as opposed to team flash helping).

When you were talking about how there was a gender twist for Mirror Monarch, but Mirror Master is a different villain than Mirror Monarch. Mirror Master does also make a few appearances in the CW show.

I'm still confused how eobard ripped his head and went into his fake self

We can all agree with most of if not all of Eric Wallace villains that if they had more then 4 episodes to develop they could've become a lot better.

Savitar stomps Ramsay…

Red death not being bruce Wayne was legit a crime in the show

I think maybe they could have made red death better if he was like bloodwork but Reverse flash before he helped Barry against Godspeed and he was just negative speed force went into bloodwork and he became red death with Reverse flash helping him in his mind so he has all of reverse flash knowledge of how to use the negative speed force kind of like firestorm with Jefferson and Martin but blood work is like Jefferson and reverse flash is like martin

Cobalt blue was DEFINITELY better than mirror Monarch. I get that they screwed up by not giving him enough time and I would agree that he would be way higher if they gave him more time. But mirror monarch also had some weird pacing issues (granted that’s due to COVID) I would also take cobalt blue over cicada, I mean there wasn’t really anything there for cicada. I definitely see why you’d put deathstorm over him but I don’t know if I would agree I would say cobalt blue and deathstorm are about equal.

I’m gonna be honest I don’t think for me it ever got bad even in season 9 especially when you stop comparing it to your favourite villain/season whatever also remember this was like a yearly thing so I don’t blame them for things like despero being human way too much or death storm not having enough screen time because every episode is 40 minutes and there’s normally around 13 episodes to make in a year plus the actors actually have to act and everything first so the cgi people have to wait for all that to be sent to them then they actually need to edit it all, so I think they do really good for the time they have and also combined with when certain actors were sick and other stuff in their personal life’s I think it’s impressive how much they can do even with a full team of people working on the show, the only problem I had with season 9 is I didn’t remember Eddie to well and I just finished watching every episode of the flash in order within multiple days without stop so I felt like I just didn’t know the character or his motivation that well.

Honestly what gets me when I see the later seasons is that the costumes just get more and more restrictive? Like, you can see in the way the actors move, they don’t have the largest range of motion in those costumes, which makes their movements look so robotic and a little bit like a tokusetsu show, but without the fun. Or the physical acting.

I disagree on Savitar. To me, he's one of the most poorly written villains in the entire Arrowverse. His entire backstory revolves around Team Flash shunning him, which is complete character assassination as I'm sure Team Flash wouldn't shut him out because he's a time remanent of Barry. I found his goals throughout the season to be very inconsistent. There are moments when it seems like he's set sights on killing Barry in the first half of the season, but his grand plan is to make him suffer by killing Iris. Then there's him wanting Tracy Brand dead, but later decides to use her speed force bazooka as the key to his plans. He doesn't seem to make up his mind. Also now that I'm thinking back, Savitar's pretty incompetent as a villain. He sends Frost to do errands against Team Flash when there's no reason he can just get the job done more efficiently himself. This plays in to how HR of all people saved Iris and foiled Savitar's endgame. So it makes Savitar a complete idiot.

Barry Allen or Wally West; who would be the front-and-center Flash in the DCU?

Nice thumbnail bro! Wow

Man i definitely didn’t miss out anything by stopping to watch after season 3

original cicada isnt David but Orlin because of the changes in the timeline when XS helping Barry punch the satellite

#1 Reverse Flash His rivalry with the Flash is the best rivalry I've ever seen #2 Zoom Season 2 is my favorite season of TV ever #3 Bloodwork His arc was the best graphic novel because he was so well written and I think his episode in season 9 would've been a pretty good arc if it was stretched to more episodes #4 Cobalt blue I just love Eddie Thawne as both a good guy and a villain I honestly had no problems with the character himself #5 Deathstorm He's probably the scariest villain on the show and I thought he was very unique #6 Savitar I would've placed him higher if he was executed better in season 9 but in season 3 he was a perfect villain #7 Despero He was very interesting but the only thing I don't like is how Thawne was overshadowing him #8 the Thinker Neil Sandilands had a really good performance but the body swapping got repetitive overtime #9 Cicada He's pretty underrated, I like the concept of a meta-human Jack the ripper but when he got swapped for another Cicada he was ruined for me #10 Godspeed I liked him in season 6 but he had wasted potential in the other seasons #11 Mirror monarch Some parts of her were interesting but she had the worst defeat on the show and it didn't help that her story was dragged out #12 the Speedforce I like her as a character but the idea of her being a villain felt so over the top like if you went back in time before season 7 and told me that the Speedforce was gonna be a main villain I would say that you know nothing about The Flash, also her dialogue was cringe af #13 Red death She was the worst villain on the show, her acting was garbage, her motivation barely made any sense and SHE NEVER KILLED ANYBODY, "Cicada killed more people than the Red death" well that aged well... I don't really consider the negative forces as main villains because they were just filling in why Reverse Flash and Cobalt blue were the main villains of their arcs

Does anybody remember that one scene where Deathstorm just ruthlessly kills a old man? That made me one of my favorite villains

Excellent list and I agree. Season 1 Reverse Flas was the best version. That said i greatly enjoyed all Reverse Flash Apperances season1-5 of the Flash ( and the season 9 episode with Matt, there is a reason it’s starting to be viewed as the best in the show) and all his Legend of Tomorrow appearances. Season 6-9 of Reverse Flash appearances ( minus the Matt one in Season 9) are all not only unnecessary, they just aren’t that good. Using the negative speed force to explain how he kept surviving was clever. And while more of a fan theory than confirmed, it’s implied that his multiple erasures are the reason for the increasingly hammy and over the top evil of the character. He kept becoming more vile with each time needing the negative speed force to survive, more of it poisoning his already bad guy soul. But the fact that we have to try to explain away the bad writing is probably the worst part, because this is just a fan theory I have from noticing he got progressively more evil after season 5 when he was deleted by the multiverse stuff and the constant deaths and revivals from timeline stuff.

Thawne is Barry's arch nemesis dummy and javicia leslie isnt a bad actress in batwoman

Rewrite the final season

You made bloodwork better than savitar 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Hey black lion now that the arrowverse ended, can u rank all the seasons of the arrowverse ( if it is too hard than just include arrow and flash ) btw love ur videos

my to 5 is: 5: Bloodwork 4: The Thinker 3: Reverse Flash (season 1) 2: Zoom 1: Savitar