BEST Android DEV experience on Mac to date

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BEST Android DEV experience on Mac to date

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I kick off the MacBook Pro tests with some real world projects. M1 Max going up against M2 Pro and M2 Max.
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@SahilP2648 Жыл бұрын

I work in an EV company and I use M1 pro with 16 GB of RAM. I used to be able to open 4 instances of the same project and good amount of tabs in the browser but lately I have not been able to open more than 2 instances. Instances are required if you are working on multiple tickets. For reference, our project is 800k lines of code for just .kt files (which are backend, but also contain files generated at build time, maybe I should run the lines of code counting script again. But anyways, that's not considering front end code or .kts files, .aar code etc.). I have seen memory pressure going to red and I have had my Mac shutdown completely maybe 3 times. But I blame Android Studio/Google/JetBrains for their poor optimization and bugs. The 5+6 GB java (gradle daemon) processes you see can be force quit (and I would recommend anyone to do that) and it removes some memory pressure. No idea why these processes need to hog up so much memory and there are some bugs which will keep on taking up RAM. And sometimes even after closing android studio and removing all these heavy processes, I still get memory pressure warning. The only option then is to restart my Mac. So out of necessity, 32 GB RAM is a requirement for large projects I would say. But it's definitely because of poorly optimized developer tools and IDEs 🙂

@SinistralEpoch Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see this test replicated with a windows laptop and desktop under the same conditions vs the Mac, too.

@NaveenViews Жыл бұрын

Using 32/1tb m2 max. Everything is buttery smooth. I open sometimes 4 emulator at once with 2 android studios + 2 different chromes. I never saw the Ram being used above 26 gb

@ExplorerOfTheGalaxy 4 ай бұрын

That's the one I want to buy.. What about the battery on it? It holds 8 hours??

@leomak7580 Жыл бұрын

I use m1 pro 16/1tb for mobile developing. Having no performance issues at all. I even decided to skip m2 processors and maybe invest in m3 max in the future. If you have money buy 32Gb ram )

@synen Жыл бұрын

If you are a developer, unless you work with intense graphical engines, IMHO, any of the M processors will do, 1 TB, 32GB, the rest does not matter.

@rafimm2126 Жыл бұрын

max is useless if you are not doing any graphical work. it heaten more and suck more battery because lot of cores. 32 gb pro is more than enough if you are already expert and time really matters. seniors can do 16 gb one. as for 512 gb for storage actually mac dont have many apps like windows bloatware

@leomak7580 Жыл бұрын

@@rafimm2126 Sure, you are right. But its hard to get custom versions outside US for reasonable price. In my region buying standard max is easier and even cheaper sometimes then finding/ordering custom pro version with 32gb.

@AarnavAnandIN 17 күн бұрын

@@leomak7580 Hey, have you upgraded your machine yet?, if yes, how is the experience when running latest Android Studio with your new? If you are using your old machine, is the experience same even in the latest Android Studio? Your response will greatly help me pick a mac.

@jochemgroeneweg6965 6 ай бұрын

"New versions of java" Proceeds to show the javascript logo

@AZisk 6 ай бұрын

editing mistake. java is correct, since we’re discussing android

@saminp2496 Жыл бұрын

Just started Android Studio Development. Really interesting to watch comparisons like these

@michal49715 Жыл бұрын

Hey Alex, not sure if I just misheard it, but sometimes you are naming those laptops in order M2 Air, M2 Pro, M1 Max, M2 Max (at the beginning), and then M2 Air, M2 Pro, M1 Max, M2 Pro (3:19). Probably because you used to have them ordered differently. 😊 Anyway, thanks for great comparison. Cheers.

@brunojcm Жыл бұрын

I really wished this M2 Pro to be a 32GiB one... I'm trying to evaluate if it's worth paying the extra for the M2 Max just so I can upgrade to 64GiB, but comparing the Max with a 16GiB Pro doesn't really help in that decision.

@ericb6270 Жыл бұрын

As a dev working on a heavy project, I have the 64GB machine and I'm usually floating around 25GB - 35GBGB, with 35GB being having a bajillion tabs open and almost every app I would use on my computer at one time and not restarting for days. So I think you could get more battery out of M2 Pro and do well with 32GB if that's your ultimate question. If you happen to breach 32GB+ the swap experience would be much different (because it will probably be swapping actual stale items) than a machine that only has 16GB and it paging things in and out to work like it has 24+GB. Comment directly below says the same, he never goes about 26GB, so you could get extra battery time with 32GB+M2Pro instead of max.

@jchi6822 Жыл бұрын

I've checked build times for firefox "focus-android" project on my Intel i7-1260p/Windows 11 22H2 ultrabook with basic stuff open. It takes about 1m49s for full rebuilds. And change-line-to-debug-run was about 15 to 25s for me with android 13 emulator. Android Studio 2022.2.1. All development related directories were carefully added to MS Windows Defender exceptions, or it will be much slower. In WSL2 environment (Ubuntu 22.04.2/Android Studio 2022.2.1) full rebuilds were ~ 1m30s;

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

thanks!

@synen Жыл бұрын

Im using a M2 Air with 24GB of RAM and it can basically do everything quite well.

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

yes, it’s likely something got messed up w configuration while i was testing

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

otherwise a really great machine

@cesmejia9014 Жыл бұрын

On 1:38, for the Macbook air you mention 11 seconds but the timer actually shows 21 seconds 😅. Btw great review! Keep up the great work!

@caseyleedom6771 Жыл бұрын

So it wasn't clear to me what the issue was with the M2 MacBook Air. Can you explain?

@s-plus Жыл бұрын

Great video as always, but the comparison like this one would had been MUCH more useful if it was between, let's say, 2 Windows laptops and 2 Macs. One of each could be less powerful with 16 GB of RAM (like that M2 Pro), and another more powerful with 32 or 64 GB. So we get the full picture of development on both Windows and MacOS.

@Manoharan Жыл бұрын

Uooo! I just asked this like 30mins ago! ❤❤❤ Awesome!

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

i work fast :)

@anamixnetwork8446 7 ай бұрын

I would like to see how a windows machine in same tier would perform compared these Macbooks 😁😁 (i9 / 64GB RAM) maybe

@markippo Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking about buying my first Apple laptop. Tbh I don't know which one. I'm mostly dotnet developer, have quite beefy desktop pc, thus I'm not interested in working on the new machine. Currently I don't have any personal laptop, so I want to buy one - mostly for outdoor experience. I like Unix based operating systems and I want to try out those new arm processors, then I think Apple is the way to go. Any suggestions which one should I choose?

@zt9233 Жыл бұрын

I wish I could recommend a non-mac to you. Apple makes so many awful decisions and forces you down annoying paths but honestly....there's not a lot that's as good as the m2max mbp16

@paulc8308 Жыл бұрын

Hi Alex, Do you do any development using mobile automation with like Appium or similar frameworks. Be good to see how well that works on the different spec’ed machines. I’m currently looking for a new MBP and was wondering if the a MAX is required or can stick with a Pro machine with extra memory. Keep up the great work.

@alvso Жыл бұрын

the memory pressure is actually depends on how much memory are compressed, not the usage of swap

@booksquotes948 Жыл бұрын

Great video.

@HadesTimer Жыл бұрын

As someone who doesn't do professional development. It amazes me how many tabs/programs you have open.

@SahilP2648 Жыл бұрын

Oh I easily have multiple hundreds open when I have to search for API docs and stuff

@DarioNeira Жыл бұрын

For me, Android Studio works much better in M1 Mac mini 16gb 256GB than Xcode, idk why

@quanminh8441 Жыл бұрын

Love video about m1 max

@prithvidsouza9050 Жыл бұрын

Hi, If I have to choose between m1pro and m2pro for development, what will be your choice considering the price?

@paulselasiekitsi9195 Жыл бұрын

Professional laptop toucher

@pax_life 10 ай бұрын

I have a Microsoft Surface Book 3 32Gb i7 but I'd like to switch to Apple. I don't know which one I should take to not be disappointed 😬

@amirhosseinrazavi7886 Жыл бұрын

Hello, I want to know that is macbook air m2 15' with 24Gb ram and 512 ssd will be good for flutter developing? And are you guy's have suggestions for me to consider for configuration? It's my first mac

@ericb6270 Жыл бұрын

It's a winner, if you're mobile, can't beat the light weight and extra screen space. And in the comments you can see most people who have 32GB+ machines say they rarely go much over 20-25GB.

@dmitrysamoylenko6775 Жыл бұрын

Please compare with top desktop machine: 13900Ks / 7950x3D / 64GB 6000MT/s

@zt9233 Жыл бұрын

Yes except not sure if 7950x3d is better or 7950x is better for productivity and programming

@afixithei.V Жыл бұрын

Please can I get an M1 Mac Air (base model) at a hugely discounted price or free for mobile app development? The price in Nigeria is not affordable for me and my current laptop gives me a lot of headache

@gholamrezadar Жыл бұрын

0:13 nice java logo!

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

that’s a javascript logo. and I don’t really like that one. it also doesn’t belong there :)

@kimfom Жыл бұрын

@@AZisk When I saw it I was like bruh.. are you kidding me. Then I thought oh it might’ve been intentional to get us talking. Nice one Alex 😅

@mohammadparsa404 Жыл бұрын

test this thing on mac mini also

@todddixon1549 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations on your grammar correction. It drives me crazy hearing “Doing good” instead of “Doing well”. 👍

@alireza9564 11 ай бұрын

As a programmer which one of these choices is better? Buy a Desktop PC with i513400 + 4060ti or MacBook Air m2 8/512?

@SiddharthSharma-hd5bu 4 ай бұрын

Definitely get desktop pc will high ram like ddr5 with a higher megahertz

@googleuser5370 Жыл бұрын

I like your videos but whats missing is timestamps. They would make your videos so much more convinient.

@omarortega3238 Жыл бұрын

It is surprising on how software is inefficient with electron apps

@RazoBeckett. 6 ай бұрын

16GB ram and doesn't matter I can run emulator with browser and all. and I use Arch btw.

@masimyildiz Жыл бұрын

So 64 Gig is the sweet swap.. Sorry.. Sweet spot for the developers.. 😄

@onuralpavc1384 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I need help. I will buy new macbook for android dev,and I cannot decide between m2 air with 24GB 1TB or base macbook pro m2 pro? They are almost the same price. Please help

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

More RAM is better in this case - Android dev sucks up a lot of RAM. If you could save and go for the MBP with 16, then do that

@onuralpavc1384 Жыл бұрын

@@AZisk Thanks a lot!

@theboss7395 Жыл бұрын

I develop apps in flutter and java I use an 8gb ram MacBook Pro If I want to upgrade to a better model(pro or Air) should I get one with 16gb of ram or 32 gb of ram(256 or 512 gb space) and should it be an m1,m1 max, m2 , m2 max

@pizzafromearth 7 ай бұрын

how does flutter run on 8gb macbook? good?

@pbokolo 11 ай бұрын

So should someone consider the m2 air for Android programming?

@jolt06 Жыл бұрын

I wonder how cad work on the M1 chip. My wife uses auto cad for her work and I want to get her a new mac.

@SahilP2648 Жыл бұрын

I don't use CAD but the RAM bandwidth is more than windows laptops (meaning anything that has to do with VRAM and RAM in apps will be faster on Macs, and also VRAM and RAM are shared so that can be positive or negative). So from what I can tell, using CAD would be better on Macs, only if you are planning to develop on a laptop. Otherwise I would recommend getting a desktop, but you can't take the workstation with you like a Mac. And this portability plus power plus battery combination is why one should get a Mac.

@joasf3980 Жыл бұрын

Performancewise it's no problem. Software support is the bigger issue. Autodesk AutoCAD is still not native apple silicon. It runs but the experience is much better on a windows machine.

@GinnaMann Жыл бұрын

I started getting all these memory issues after ventura update, even 8gb ram was enough to run emulator and code properly in big sur, but after ventura this thing just feels so laggy and hangs often. Same thing is happening with intel chip macbook pro as well.

@rarirover44 8 ай бұрын

my mac book pro core i9 32 gb is flawless dude 🤣🤣🔥 using sonoma noe

@GinnaMann 8 ай бұрын

@@rarirover44 after migrating to sonoma beta it started functioning normally, looks only handful of devices were facing these issues, thankfully it works fine now.

@rarirover44 8 ай бұрын

@@GinnaMann awesome, launching two emilators on same code in visual studio code running both android and ios simulators has been snappy bro! it eats up all the work like nothing

@GinnaMann 8 ай бұрын

@@rarirover44 in case of multiple emulators I prefer pc, no Ios simulation but it handles emulators like a charm. Maybe I will buy an M3 max someday.

@MrZiemwit Жыл бұрын

lack of normal windows/linux pc I will newer buy mac, its to much even If i get 10k $work i don't want to be parto of mac, don't wanto to fight for ram of nvme