Nice video, but I think you missed one of the most important points that lithium has over lead acid; actual usable capacity. At high current draw (0.8C), a 100 AH lead acid battery will typically give you around 40% of that rating (40 AH). Most lithium batteries will give you about 90%. At low current draw, a lead acid will give a bit more, maybe up to 50% of capacity, but lithium typically will give you over 100% of rated capacity. So if you are using a 100 AH lead acid battery, you are typically getting between 40 and 50 AH of usage. Switching to lithium will give you nearly double the capacity if you go with the same AH rating.

Best overview of lithium battery brands I've seen by far. Thank you!

Perfect amount of detail. Nice work on this topic

Perfect! You covered every question I had - thank you!

Thank you for this great overview! I struggle dragging my current battery to my inflatable boat, so it's all about weight for me. :)

Literally... I thought I was going to think I was going to have questions.... Nope... Possibly the best review I have ever watched... Worth the 16:08 of times I spent on KZfaq ever on the topic...

Great video Tyler! Very informative. This will help a lot of people. Spot on!

Dude. Pure gold. Thanks SO MUCH for all this work! +1!

Great review Tyler thanks for helping with a tough decision on which battery to buy

Hey Tyler.. Thanks for this Awesome video. I'm not great at looking this up..nor do I have the patience. I've been off and on looking for a good battery and brand to power my 30lb Minn kota. And based off this video...I believe that I found it. This WILL get shared.

What a great review on the batteries. Just what I was looking for. You must be an Engineer. Thanks for the Bluetooth device info. I just ordered it. Awsome Review. Oh, my Autopilot on order.

Wow just the information I was looking for, excellent video thank you so much

Awesome videos, I live over in kalispell and am just getting into kokanee fishing, learned a lot from your channel. Would love to see more after the catch vids or incorporated into the ending, more recipes and what you can do with so much fish in the freezer

Thank you for your detailed analysis.

Sportsman 120 inbound, I needed this Thx!

Thank you for making this post comprehensive and easy to understand. Amped also has a military discount you just need to ask.

Picked up my Auto Pilot 120 from American Outdoors today. Can wait to get it wet this weekend 🌊🌊🌊🎣

Great video and thorough and clear analysis! I bought a 30AH Amped Outdoors LiON battery for my Garmin 106 Ultra FF last fall and I have been loving it. I love the lightweight of those batteries. The bluetooth monitor seems really cool. I just watch the voltage on my FF but it would be really interesting to know precisely how much battery I have left at the end of an 11 or 12 hour day in the kayak.

Great video, I look forward to my new purchase .

Sheesh what a great video. Thanks!

Really good info on this video. Thanks.

Nice job. Super helpful !

Wonderful video as usual! Thank you. I'm now leaning towards one of these kayaks. I like the Sportsman Autopilot 136. :-)

Wow! Great info, thanks.

Great video once again thanks!

I learned a lot about lithium batteries 🔋 Would like to see future updates on lithium batteries in the future. I’m purchasing a 135 old town if I can get one from my scheels store in Fargo ND This video was right on time and the breakdown was ideal

Excellent video dude.

Super informative video as usual Tyler! I don't see many people talking in detail about batteries for the AutoPilot series. One thing I'd mention is that lithium ion is different than lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) and their discharge properties are slightly different. LiFePO4 ends up being an even better option than lithium ion. I've got a 30Ah Amped battery for my Garmin 93sv for ice fishing and open water and it's been awesome. If I got an AutoPilot you bet your butt I'd be going for a 100Ah Amped battery. Looking forward to more videos from your AutoPilot!

I have the Amped 60ah battery on my yak. I usually troll about 5 hrs non-stop and still have about 30-40% left. 15 lbs vs 45lbs with the VMax 75ah that I was using & slowing down after 5 hours

Thank you! Well done.

Thanks for the info!

Damn solid video!!!!!

Awesome video my brother 😎 👍

Thank you so much, I’m having a hard time with batteries .

Nice video. Good coverage. I just went Amped outdoors Lithium for my Ocean Kayak Torque. One comment on Customer Service... Asking your question "before" a sale is made" most often goes to sales, not customer service. To rate a companies Customer Service based on a sales inquiry can lead to a flawed result. I spent 20+ years in Customer Support. Telecom, Internet and E moto's. Pre sales questions very rarely made it to a CS rep. A better CS inquiry would be to send in a question directed to CS. Marketing and Sales answers may not always "align" with customer support replies.

Great video thanks

I’ve been watching a lot videos on Lithium batteries . I decided to picked up a 100 amp lipo at 26 lbs for my Old Town PDL 120 motor trolling. I did a test for 4 hours with a Minn Kotta 30lb thrust . I used the speed mostly from 3 -4 trolling through small ripple waves I probably get more speed on flat water. After 4 hours the voltage drop to 12.5 volts. I’m not sure what the voltage cut off battery. When I got home I measure it to be 13.2 volts. So likely I used only 40% . Checked out my short video. Thanks for the battery tracker info getting one too would definitely help😊

Probably the best battery analysis that I have seen. I really appreciate your battery breakdown. QUESTION: does a lithium battery require a special type of charger?

Very informative review! Thanks for the insight. I'm pushing a 14'6 Old Town Saranac canoe with a 45lb thrust. I wanted to buy a 150ah and I'm glad I didn't. That prism construction seems a little sketchy. I ended up ordering a 100ah direct from China. (also sketchy) lol. I also ordered a 16A charger from the same company. Total was $336 and a 60 day eta for arrival. Flying it over was almost $225 so I opted to wait a bit and learn as much as I can about LifePO4 before it arrives. Can I just unbox and connect my trolling motor to it (plug n play)? or do I need a PMW or add an inline fuse?

I love all the info man. I would love to see you do some real on the water times just to see what all these numbers mean as far as usage. Something else that would be interesting is to see what speed on the autopilot is most efficient. Would speed 8 be more efficient power to distance than max speed sort of thing. I wonder if the small increase in speed between settings has a less or more efficient power usage. Not sure if that is making sense. LOL Thanks for nerding out for us.

Thank you for the video. I like how you explained your reasoning for going lithium but I think you missed something important. If a lithium battery gets 3000 cycles and has a shelf life of 7 years, you would have to go through 429 cycles a year to get your money's worth out of that battery. If your lead acid battery gets 500 cycles and lasts 5 years you have to go through 100 cycles per year to get your money's worth. Obviously these aren't perfect numbers here but the point I'm trying to make is that if you are not a every day or every other day fisherman, I think you'll get more bang for your buck with a lead acid then lithium because you won't get all your money out of the lithium. There is a argument for weight, if 30 pounds is that important for you then lithium is the way to go. However, it's also annoying that you have to spend more money just to be able to check the charge of the lithium battery on the fly. Things to think about. Happy Fishing!

Great video thanks! Any thoughts on the Ampere Time Lithium battery?

I have the OHMMU, 2 of them actually and I have gone 15 miles with a lot of it being full speed. When I put it on the 10 amp charger it was charged in 4 hours. (40 amp hours)

Great video. I to was interested in the Amped Out Battery. At the time this video was made the Dakota 135amp had not been built. I can run lights, ipilot, Solix 15 on one battery all day. 1100.00 comes with 11 yr warranty and a charger and a blue tooth battery tender.

I was wondering if you could tell me what brand of bluetooth monitoring device you are using in the video? Thanks

Perfect

Much thanx for your video. I've got a 120 inbound. Can you tell me is a special charger required for a lithium battery or will my 20 year old charger that I've used for all my car charger needs treat a lithium well?

Excellent video! I was thinking I’d rather have two lead acid batteries and be able to travel extra long distances during one fishing trip than invest the money in a lithium battery. Would that be true or does 1 lithium battery hold a charge equivalent to two 100 amp lead acid batteries?

AGM in Canada. Lithium is prohibitively expensive. So for the cost of 1 lithium, I could get at least 12 years worth of lead-acid batteries. 100% boils down to weight. And given these kayaks are beasts anyway, 30lbs is not worth nearly a grand.

What do you think about the FPV-Power waterproof batteries? 12V 50A the kit has 2 for 100Ah total and costs 1,150.

You can build your own LifePo4 pack if cost is an issue. Not hard to do. If you don't mind using LiPo pack you can save more money and weight.

Thank you very for your video..My son and I are in the process if buying old town 136 & 120 auto pilot kayaks..Is the battery that you bought for your kayak standard size?

Great video thanks! I’m using the Autopilot 136. Used sealed lead acid battery this summer but decided to pick up the Ohmmu 156 which comes in tomorrow. I put long days on the water (10-12hrs and almost always trolling) so hope that the extra juice will help. I’ve had to paddle back twice, no fun paddling these tanks. Wonder what you are currently using and do you have a recommendation for a cheap battery monitor solution that can give you an accurate %capacity used or remaining?

Good information. I would suggest to look into other brands as far as cost. You can get a 200 amp hour battery for less then your posted 100 amp hour battery.

Hey one more question I got the supplies to make my own spinners but how far back should I put back my gear before I attach it to my downriver clip for upper Columbia river chinook? Thanks!

Please what rod holders do you have on there? I like the way they are raised up closer to you.

What would be the best batter for ocean fishing trolling and not lazy man fishing at all just hard core fishing trying to be on the water 7-8 hours I'm using a deep cycle battery and it's junk last 2 hoursb

Thank you for taking your time to make this video. Do you have a video speaking about how you rigged your old town.

So I am looking to buy a autopilot and of course a battery. Your video was very informative. So if I am done with my day of fishing and I am not going to fish for another couple weeks or so how would you recommend I store the battery? Thanks in advance for your help. Tight lines.

Looking at the battery monitor your using? Have anymore updates and do you still recommend it? Thank you. Great videos

Hey man. Thanks for the information. Do you have an opinion on the AGM batteries?

Did you choose the amped outdoors battery?(I'm sorry if I missed it) and if you did then I'm assuming that it fits in the provided old town box? Thanks

Hey Tyler, I'm brand new to kayak fishing. Just bought a 106 power by MK, got a 100amh lithium battery. Question is what blue tooth device did you hook up to the battery to inable you to monitor the charge/rate of discharge?

Have you ever tried or thought about monster marine lithium. Bill Dance says he uses it and is blue tooth says I can't find much on this

Thanks for another fantastic video! I'm wondering if after some additional time you are still liking the battery monitor? I'm considering ordering it and I'm just double checking! One other thing I've noticed in the past and hoping it would benefit you with the purchase of this monitor using the link below am I correct with this?

Hi Tyler, How do you like the aftermarket Bluetooth battery charger so far? does it function well? easy to use and accurate?

What battery are you using for your graph I was thinking about the little wilderness system battery.

On another note, how is it car topping that thing? Do you put it on from the back of the side using one of those bar things? Thank you

Man I was going to get a 54ah from Dakota lithium to power my motor guide xi3 with gps. Had never heard of the other brands but found the 80 ah from amped outdoors for around the same price, and only 6 lbs heavier. Thanks for the informative video!

What about a kill switch? Will the kayak keep going if you were to fall out? I want to put a trolling motor on my Nucanoe but can't find much info about kill switches

i wish i could find an autopilot in denver! i love my outback but spotlock is what im after

Great video well broken down better in the long run to get the lithium one then to buy multiple acid ones down the road

Tyler, those 100ah batteries are so heavy. No way am I gonna schlep 35 pounds around in my Hobie. I've got an old Sears electric trolling motor that I've paired with a 20Ah Duracell deep cycle and at full speed I get 2 hours before it's dead. With the reduced weight it makes it so much easier to get around. I must say the if you're going to add a trolling motor to your kayak the choice for a battery can be a bit unnerving. Fish on!

So I know that this is old, but I've read few post and after some research here is what I got. The battery box is 10W x 17H x 11D where 17H I assume the biggest side and is L. I found 12v 277A Dakota that is 14.6L x 7.7W x 10.75H, where in this case H(high) is for D (deep). Yes it 65Lbs, but person like my self under 150lb soaking wet that's not an issue. Am I right with my calculations? Could that battery be used on that motor? It's Dakota group 31 I believe 12v277A. By the way, thank you for all the information you provide, helped my buy my 120PDL.

Do you have to keep it on a trickle charge when nnot using or can you take it off after it's full? I don't use my trolling motor everyday, just on the weekends. Do the lithium batteries come with a charger?

How do I drain it down for long storage?

You sold me on the Amped Outdoors but they’re out of stock. There is another issue though with 100ah batteries. In the future, would you be able to provide an update based on your knowledge of the actual internal dimensions of the Autopilot 120’s battery box? It appears that standard 100ah battery sizes are 12.06 x 6.8 x 8.8. Apparently, while lithium batteries may be lighter, they are not necessarily smaller in dimensions. The Battleborn dimensions are 12.75 X 6.875 X 9 in. (L x W x H). Dakota Lithium dimensions are 12.99 x 6.77 x 8.66. On the surface, it appears as if the Amped Outdoors is the only battery that may have fit into your Autopilot. I’m about to purchase an Autopilot 120, but I’m now on hold pending trying to find a 100ah battery that fits.

I read somewhere that you can charge a lithium battery with a normal battery charger. But I saw you commented that you need a special lithium battery charger. What's the truth? And are there any 100ah 12v for under 400$?

Hi, I'm a new subscriber and absolutely love your videos. I am also new to kayaking and battery powered motors. (I know virtually nothing about dc power) You are extremely detailed and informative which really adds to the trustworthy factor. Thank you again. I just purchased the Old Town auto pilot 120 and I’m looking for a power supply. I was looking to buy the “Amped Outdoors” lithium battery at your recommendation but their outta stock. I decided to go with the mighty Max on Amazon as they are now selling for $600. I have read the reviews (don’t know if I’m taking a chance with them or not) and they've got four out of five stars. Do you feel there is a better battery out there for that price point or do you think it's worth taking a chance with Mighty Max? Also, what type of lithium charger would you recommend? Thanks a lot for your help and keep up with the great videos. - Jim

Great video! What charger are you using?

So you shouldn't rely on the aftermarket monitor for the state of charge? Can you go into more detail? That's the primary (actually the only reason) I would be interested a lithium battery monitor.

Is the batt. box on the 120 auto pilot 12x7x9"? Group 27 measurements.

Do you have a link for your fishing pool holder

What graph are you using and I’m considering a Garmin echomap 73sv with the update g-54 transducer what do you think about it. I think you would be paid for this video you are going to save people a lot of time and money thank you for making it.

May we ask, are you still using the Amped Outdoors battery? And…are you still happy with this selection?

Hey I’m getting In to upper Columbia river chinook and for my spinners I’m wondering if I can just attach a bluefox spinner to it and troll with that or would I need to make my own?

Out of curiosity, why did firefly not make the cut of what you chose to evaluate on Li batteries?

ohmmu has same cells inside just like batllborn but with higher capacity cells in ohmmu

Do you have any batteries for sale man? I can’t find a decent 12v 100ah in stock for my autopilot 120 That I bought yesterday

What battery charger are you using? And what battery are you running for the fish finder? Thanks 👍

So do you think a 50amp lithium battery will last me about 4 hours trolling ?

So now that you have been using the Rebel LiFePO4 where does it rank compared to the others on your list?

Would this be the same for the 106 with no auto pilot?

What battery tracker is that

I wish I could win this beautiful kayak old Town autopilot so I can complete my mission of saving our beautiful waterways universe by picking up Trash and keeping it clean

battle born AND omaha has same cells insde like batle born

Wow …we pay £3 per Ah here in uk

Update👉everything is sold out🔋

What do you call a kayak with a motor ? A boat !!

I was looking all over for a test and explanation about batteries , you did a great job , thanks 😀 but I have another question , I would like to take my German Shepherd on the Kayak ....is there enough room in the back ? 🐕‍🦺He is an excellent swimmer and like to play with the seals ....