BEST benchy? You WON'T guess it! Artillery X3 Pro vs Bambu Lab A1

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6 ай бұрын

I compared two very different, but surprisingly similar speedy bed slingers in a head-to-head speed benchy 3D print-off! The Artillery Sidewinder X3 Pro at 300mm/s vs the VERY popular Bambu Lab A1 at 500mm/s.
These machines although priced significantly different, performed so well, I think you will have trouble guessing which printer printed which benchy! Can you guess? Let me know in the comments which printer did the best!
Correction: The A1 uses a single Z motor
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@ThatoneNB12 6 ай бұрын

I personally said A was the X3 because the faster you print the more you need filament to cool faster and heat up faster and since the filament used is not HS filament it makes sense for a lower speed to perform better.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

That's a great guess!

@MandoThingz 6 ай бұрын

What I like about printers now than then is that they’re being designed to have hidden wire harnesses and to fit in the normal home than just for hobbyists

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Appliance like for sure! I like it too.

@keepinitreel15 6 ай бұрын

LM I have to say I really appreciate your video's. I'm still fairly new to the 3D printing community (started this year) and I really enjoy watching your take and your advocacy for new people coming into the community. I'm not on Twitch or I would support you there too, but I can't say it enough we need more people like you in the community, not more gatekeepers.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

This is such an awesome comment, thank you for this! Made my day. I really think it is important to be kind and welcoming. Too much negativity in the world, and we don't need it here. Thank you!

@shanechristiansen38 6 ай бұрын

This is exactly why I use his affiliate links when buying. I enjoy his take and content and enthusiasm so I support the channel whenever I can.

@user-dv6xu9is8d 5 ай бұрын

thank you for the interesting comparison, continue it is very much needed.

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

You got it!

@reviewmirror 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your work but I think it would be better to have the same axis prints on both for better comparison. What do you think?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Default gcode, I can't change the orientation of it without reslicing it, which defeats the purpose of the test. I wanted to print what the engineers decided best represented their printer.

@reviewmirror 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses Sorry, my bad. That makes sense, thank you. All the best and a happy new year.

@3dpathfinder 6 ай бұрын

I just got my A1 on Tuesday and going fantastic so far. This reminds me of me on the JG Maker R1, its not as fast but the print quality is fantastic . Great video sir. I also had people telling me that i was wrong saying the K1 Max printed as good as my P1S.

@AlbertoMartinez765 6 ай бұрын

Fanbois...all these printers have their Pros and Cons, but they are all fantastic printers.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

AWESOME! Congratulations. Thank you!

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

They can be crazy for sure!

@tojo0549 6 ай бұрын

Hey, on my A1, there is a lot of abrasion on the y-Axis rails, do you maybe have a similar issue. Or is it just my Machine?

@nannerstout3877 6 ай бұрын

If the X3 was out when I was initially getting into printing, that probably would have been the best entry point for me. I'm hoping options like that open the door to so many more people to learn about and enjoy 3D printing.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Definitely, the tech is moving so fast in our industry that it is hard to have the latest and greatest - and yes, this is going to bring a new wave of people into our space for sure.

@mattironforge 6 ай бұрын

The S3 benchy holds up better on the overhangs. Pretty impressive. I would bet you could adjust both slightly and get even better results at the same speed with small adjustments.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Agree 100%! I am super impressed with the X3 and of course the Bambu is a better machine, just more expensive, as it should be.

@skynlab2478 6 ай бұрын

Hello , i have a k1 , i woul love to buy the A1 combo , it's can be a good combo between the K1 and the A1 ? Thanks

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

The K1 is really nice, I like it a lot! I think having both machines would be awesome.

@zachgamingzone 6 ай бұрын

Is there room to turn the cooling up on the A1 benchy? I hope so. I just ordered an A1 and i feel like from everything ive seen overhangs could be a big weakness.

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

Not sure!

@zachgamingzone 5 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses so from about 2 weeks of printing and testing with quality, cooling is an issue with default settings but the printer is definitely capable of much higher cooling with manual settings

@tojo0549 6 ай бұрын

Hey, on my A1, there is a lot of abrasion on the y-Axis rails, do you maybe have a similar issue. Or is it just my Machine? Would be nice, if you could check on your printer if you have the same problem.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Oh no! I would reach out to their support right away. I am not getting anything like that with the ones here.

@theshenanigator154 6 ай бұрын

Great Video! The printers on both looked amazing! if you look closely you can see the blemishes but nothing a little fine tuning cant fix! Great printers for both price points!

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Thank you!!!

@tyg5265 6 ай бұрын

Great video! Im curious what you would recommend to a noob getting into printing. Ideally i want to stay in the $300 ish range. But the A1 is very intriguing. Would say its worth the extra cost? Seems like a better option for plug and play vs some of the other options. Specifically i have been looking at the ankermake M5c, Neptune 4 plus and Neptune 4 pro.

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

A1 or A1 mini would be a great machine, best experience ever.

@KurtDNixon 6 ай бұрын

Great video and comparison! The Artillery Sidewinder X3 Pro is a serious contender. I'm all in with Bambu and their ecosystem. I've had my A1 for nearly two weeks and it's been cranking out flawless prints non-stop. The only problems I've had so far were my own fault. A P1S will be my next purchase.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Surprisingly good machine isn't it? And yes, I agree with you and Bambu - the ecosystem is the best we have ever seen and I absolutely love their machines. P1S is AWESOME!

@swankymanatee6968 6 ай бұрын

dude, there are so many great 3D printers out there these days. I have my printer, but I still love seeing what companies come up with.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I KNOW! AND I LOVE IT!

@yakine13 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the discovery, was looking at the ender s1 pro or Neptune 4 or bambulab. But the x4 pro has everything, including Kipper. Insane !

@ziruszirus1654 6 ай бұрын

Love the surprise at the end.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Thanks! I think it surprised a lot of people.

@ziruszirus1654 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses the „red line“ ( directly translated from German) of the movie was setup very well to surprise people at the end.

@MyTechFun 6 ай бұрын

My unit didn't had the thermal runaway protection enabled (X3 Pro). I hope they will fix it in next firmware update.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Oh really?!

@povilaslondon 6 ай бұрын

Thats what you get with cheap ass printers. Safety mindset is non existent for those types of printers.

@marcelo962 6 ай бұрын

I loved this video! I'd love to see more comparison videos!

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! I really enjoy doing the comparisons, more to come!

@fadybenmoussa2114 3 ай бұрын

what are the print times for both? without calibration etc

@LoyalMoses 3 ай бұрын

I don't recall!

@davidramio 4 ай бұрын

What about the sidewinder x4, what’s the difference between the x3 and the x4?

@LoyalMoses 2 ай бұрын

Klipper!

@joseph-montanez 6 ай бұрын

If Artillery sales out stock we all know who cause it 😊 stellar comparison!!! I do wonder how they perform when printing slower. My A1 when printing PETG needs to be slowed down so I print around 45mms and just has excessive ringging. Mainly due to that speed demon ripping across the bed and knocking the print off the bed, simple tears the print a part.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

haha! Thank you for that. It really is a great machine and at this price point, it is a serious budget contender.

@vincylobo261 6 ай бұрын

According to u what is the best 3d printer in terms of speed,price and resolution of the prints?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

The best machine right now for price and quality is going to be the A1 MINI from Bambu for $299 - smaller build plate, but most people don't print many large items. It's among the most advanced printers we have right now in the market.

@vincylobo261 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses ty brotha

@zachpaw 5 ай бұрын

Would you rather have this artillery printer or the anycubic kobra 2 pro?

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

Oh, that is a tough one!

@Adam0855 6 ай бұрын

Really nice, I didn't expect this result, I thought it would be the other way around, great job artillery more competition is good for us customers thank you for this video 🤟

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I'll be honest, when I started the prints, I didn't expect those results either. Such an awesome time to be in 3D printing.

@technicallyreal 6 ай бұрын

It's a silly and invalid comparison IMO, as the slower machine will always end up with the better print due to the wrong filament profile being used during slicing. The models should have been resliced with the actual settings for that particular filament in order for the results to make any sense.

@thelastengineer8633 6 ай бұрын

what is with the new x4 pro?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Klipper based, different price point - we'll have that here in the studio very soon!

@happyfalangme 6 ай бұрын

What slicer and profile did you use for the X3?

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

I used the Sidewinder X2 profile and changed sizes.

@JohnPerez-bl8ti Ай бұрын

what speed print haven bambulab and artillery ?

@LoyalMoses Ай бұрын

Sorry, I didn't understand.

@JohnPerez-bl8ti Ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses ok , sorry. what an printer speed both bambulab and artillery had.

@DanielGoller 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video, google didn't show me any of these before and the X4 Pro looks rather interesting.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Thank you! We'll have the X4 soon, but it is a different machine for different budgets.

@cathalwhelehan 5 ай бұрын

I was kind of rooting for A to be the print made on the Artillery. Only just developed an interest in 3D printing and now I'm ~ THAT close ~ to pulling the trigger on an X3. That print looks top class. Like the colour too 👍

@dancoon7653 6 ай бұрын

It is impressive and both are obviously brilliant machines. However Id like to also see a side by side of them printing on tje same axis at the same speed and obviously you can slow them down to improve quality. That would then give a fair comparison.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

The default gcode determines the orientation, we'll have more comparisons later of models that we slice for sure.

@technicallyreal 6 ай бұрын

@TheSinzia 6 ай бұрын

Outside of the the Hull Line which is a slicing issue, I can't really see any glaring differences. Good job to the X3! Does the X3 have auto-z offset like the A1/K1/P1/X1 or would I still need to do a paper test and then adjust the Z on the fly? (If you can't tell, I'm over live adjusting Z, these printers should be smart enough now!)

@AlbertoMartinez765 6 ай бұрын

Right that the One Knock off on the X3 was that he had to adjust the Z for the first use..it should do this automatically when you auto level calibrate it.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

The X3 Pro did so well. I am very impressed with it.

@beardeddude9168 6 ай бұрын

Have you used your A1 for PETG yet?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Not the A1, the A1 mini we have - and it prints it VERY well. Makes it just as easy to print with as PLA.

@zrizzy6958 6 ай бұрын

the ams option+ams may worth the price for some people. testing with a sparkle pla can hide a bit of the pure quallities of the printers. both of worth the price in my opinnion based on the benci alone, but you may need to try more complex objects. other than that, great video. and can you post the speeds of the bencis?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I'll double check the speeds, they are just the defaults, I'll get them when I get back into the studio. Join our discord, I can post it there. loyal.ms/discord

@russdesigns 6 ай бұрын

Awesome to see Artillery up their game! That's a nice evolution and love to see all the other brands stepping up.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Yes, I really think that is one of the main points of the video - competition in our space is driving everything forward.

@HosaBosa 6 ай бұрын

If it wasnt for multi color filament sustem id provably go for the sidewinder never heard of it before and my a1 is already here jsut have to go pick it up. Btw moses i figured you were one of the youtubets that rewlly got me hooked on the a1 combo in your recent videos so i purchased through your affilate link. ❤Cant wait to start printing

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

The AMS really changed out industry, and this is a huge factor when deciding on machines now.

@joeyjones4535 6 ай бұрын

So I'm not trying to troll, but genuinely curious. We all know there's a correlation between speed and quality. I'm curious about the results of a benchy sliced at the same speed and settings, set in the same orientation. I assume you printed these at max settings based off of a percentage of the printer's recommended settings. what happens when you disregard the settings and both are set to an equal test? I feel that would give more valid results because it would be a test of the machine and not a recommendation.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment! These are the default sliced models that shipped with the printers. I simply powered the printer on and pressed print. If you slowed down the Bambu it would no doubt be better. The engineers pushed a little too hard to get the speed up and print time down, because the Bambu obviously is capable of far more incredible prints.

@beav1962 4 ай бұрын

Not knowing how the firmware on these type of machines work, is it possible that the X3 Pro may get an upgrade to Klipper? The Marlin seems to be about the only thing holding it back. I don't own a printer (yet), but I enjoy your videos.

@LoyalMoses Ай бұрын

Hmmm... It's possible, the X4 series will likely be that klipper machine going forward!

@LoyalMoses Ай бұрын

Not super concerned about it.

@germanfernandez9616 2 ай бұрын

Artillery x3 pro or ender 3 v3 ke?

@LoyalMoses 2 ай бұрын

Oh, that’s hard, those are both good!!

@buildersmark 6 ай бұрын

There's so much push for the "appliance" style printer/printing. Look forward to seeing what else is around the corner!

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Me too, these machines are just getting better and better!

@RunAroundGuy2 2 ай бұрын

Id like to see both machines operating at the same speed and checking quality. As soon as i you said the sidewinder was 30p and bambu was 500 my first thought was the nicer one was going to be the sidewinder.

@LoyalMoses 2 ай бұрын

I didn’t run them at the same speed, because that means the better printer has to be slowed down to give the other a chance.

@archemity 4 ай бұрын

The X3 pro is for sale currently at $179

@LoyalMoses 4 ай бұрын

Awesome!

@kreinova2747 6 ай бұрын

Wah thank you for bringing this up and I am correct ! I guess al the way from earlier that is from X3 Pro ! 🎉

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Oh, you guess correctly?! AWESOME!

@kreinova2747 5 ай бұрын

Hey, when is your review on SW X4 series coming ?

@claytonsmith9170 6 ай бұрын

Fantastic prints on either one. Wish there was a universal AMS for the Artillery

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I sure hope they are working on one!

@boggisthecat 6 ай бұрын

There are a couple of options that look fairly promising. Later in the year would be when these are available, so it should be interesting as I would expect Bambu Lab to introduce improved X1 and P1 options by then, hopefully with a much improved AMS implementation.

@effingtard5945 5 ай бұрын

0:36 "I'm sitting here touching it."

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

It's true, I'm not ashamed.

@SRannWest 6 ай бұрын

I had an S3 and it printed amazing when it wasn't clogging.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Oh no! Sorry to hear that.

@gregoryamer 6 ай бұрын

I’m guessing B is Bambu, they always seem to have a prominent layer line the same place lower hull.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

WOW! A lot of people figured that out from that same hull line!

@lucase764 6 ай бұрын

Let's say I wanted to enclose the Bambu A1. How much of a worry is having the electronics in the enclosure? Will the higher temperature shorten their life?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I would be concerned only because I don't hear an electronics fan when it is sitting idle or even printing. I am only guessing though.

@lucase764 6 ай бұрын

That makes sense. Thanks for the reply. :)

@mathewbrunza2813 6 ай бұрын

Its probably due to cooling issues, the bambu lab a1 mini has good cooling but for a speed benchi its not sufficent enough maybe if you slow down the a1 the print results could be better.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I think slowing it down would be the right choice, it would look far better.

@mechguardain5494 4 ай бұрын

yeah the scan lines look alot nicer, i think imma go with this. thank you

@LoyalMoses 4 ай бұрын

😃

@TheMoonkiller55 6 ай бұрын

Not a pure comparison of printing object. Is the all process of the printing experience ( including settings and slicing ) offered by the A1 printer is twice better than the other ?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I think it was an awesome comparison! The default gcode that the engineers decided best represented their machines, and these are the results!

@onlybreadsticks 6 ай бұрын

If the X3 is so good, why is the filament sensor disconnected?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Watch the other video.

@supercurioTube 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for that comparison, the results are pretty unexpected! There's some significant under-extrusion on the X3 Pro print seen at 4:56 at the top, I think that your flow multiplier might not work too well, the fact that you end up with 0.9x ratios is indicative. My guess is that the tolerances are affected by lack of pressure advance calibration in the corner with the model you've shown in the last video. Then wow, the A1 print is lacking in cooling, that's unfortunate.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Same, I was surprised as well!

@technicallyreal 6 ай бұрын

@noahbodhi8657 6 ай бұрын

Is it a hobby for prints or a printer. Thats the only question i have. I went with the A1 because most have expressed its pretty much plug and play. I already had the headaches with enders. Im over it.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I think that is a very important question for new people! Do they want to enjoy what comes out of the pinters, or tinkering and modding the printer. The A1 is an amazing machine! Congratulations!

@KenDilas01 6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I was not surprised and picked the bambu print, recognizing the terrible finish at the top of the openings and overhangs. Ive been using the p1s and get the same disfigured results in those types of areas.

@AlbertoMartinez765 6 ай бұрын

Awwwww.......

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

The hull line is something that a lot of people picked out!

@brandido2002 6 ай бұрын

Compare the bambu to the ankermake please!

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I have the AnkerMake here in a box, content coming soon!

@OldManJimmy1 6 ай бұрын

There both very close in quality and I own a Bambu A1 Combo as well as 2 Creality CR-10s one is a new CR-10 Smart Pro. After getting the A1 I'm fast becoming another Bambu fanboy and will probably get another Bambu printer soon.

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

Such good machines!

@MiguelArky85 6 ай бұрын

Just sold my Sidewinder X2, after many many problems, everytime i would go to print, there was a new problem. Just ordered a new A1 with AMS

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Oh no! Our Sidewinder X2 was great! I did a lot of awesome helmets with it. But... CONGRATULATIONS on grabbing an A1, you will LOVE IT!

@MrKlawUK 6 ай бұрын

I like the hull of B but the superstructure of A. What do I win :P

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

You win a thumbs up on your comment!

@hauntycz5191 6 ай бұрын

Based off the ringing and a slight preassure advance problem so i think that b is bambu

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Some people spotted that from the higher speed.

@hauntycz5191 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses jup.. but only because you made the picture super close.. and actually i like the X3 print way more i just think that bambu is owerhyped based of reviews on it..

@moscou1268 4 ай бұрын

The x3 looks incredible fir the price😮

@huzbum 6 ай бұрын

The A1 benchy is better on the front, but oof, the overhangs on the back. I can't give up quality for speed. That being said, I'm sure it can be fixed with some slicing adjustments.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I agree with you 100%! I would rather have quality over speed. The A1 is not a bad machine, it was only this benchy at this speed.

@diogocarvalho2934 5 ай бұрын

I wonder how it would be if they were set to take about the same time. The benchy loaded by standard in the Bambu is very optimized for speed and not quality. More of a marketing stunt that anything. So I'm wondering given the same time how would the two compare.

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

The Bambu is the superior machine, there is no question about that. This was only showing what was loaded on each machine by default.

@DavidGomez-sx9gi Ай бұрын

I was pretty convinced that A was the bambu! It has much better deffinition on the letters and less deformation on the bridges

@LoyalMoses Ай бұрын

It was a fun little video!

@realtalkcreates 6 ай бұрын

That x3 pro is a heavy hitter also wow

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I KNOW! This is a total sleeper machine! I don't think people understand just how nice it is!

@kspec2001 6 ай бұрын

nice video. dont forget the price should be compared for the model WITHOUT the AMS if you want it to be more of a direct comparison. printing both benchys in the same orientation i think also is important as this would effect cooling on certain areas when trying to compare those exact areas. competition is great either way! helps us as consumers get more value from our money :)

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

That was priced without the AMS. It was pre-sliced by the manufacturer, I can’t change the orientation.

@kspec2001 6 ай бұрын

you are right about the price. i live up here where things are priced in canadian rupees lol. makes sense, but isnt the bambu one sliced for its filament though? since it has a higher volumetric speed than most other filaments?

@brettjamesy 6 ай бұрын

Id like to see a comparison of the benchy's with the machines running at the same max speed... to see if the artifacts on the A1 are due to speed. Print quality, trumps speed when printing smallish functional prints.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

This was just a test of the default benchy code. The A1 is the overall better machine for everything, but of course is twice the price.

@israelrobles681 6 ай бұрын

I saw a similar test Bamboo A1 Vs Prusa MK4 with the same result, sligtty faster in the A1 but beter quality on Prusa. The real difference is the multicolor print. So if you need the multicolor Bambulab is the right one. If you are on thight budget you may get another one.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I think they could have had a better benchy if they just slowed it down a bit. The AMS is the real game-changer in our industry for sure.

@itstetrahc4690 6 ай бұрын

I have the Bambu P1S so i was rooting for the A1, what a twist ending

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

A1 is an incredible machine, no doubt! But that X3 did such a great job!

@krysrus111 6 ай бұрын

I Heard that bambu has little problem with cooling, check with other filaments like ASA

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

It's really not meant for ASA, and there are plenty of other machines for that.

@krysrus111 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses benchy will do fine, trust me

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Of course, printing ASA on a Prusa MINI works too.

@krysrus111 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses what I want to say is that higher temp polymers need less cooling, therefore, results on a1 will be better than the PLA which needs tons of cooling. Benchy is not an easy model to print at high speeds, layers are printed really fast. Artillery seems to print slower, therefore it has more time to cool down. Artillery seems to be a great 3d printer thought

@GSJester 6 ай бұрын

I thought the A1 just had one Z motor?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Yes, you are correct - I updated the video with a note - I reached out to Bambu and they confirmed it is a single Z, and their documentation was incorrect.

@posra1254 6 ай бұрын

I would say A->BambuLab, so it surprised me. Really cool comparison of quality

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

If I had to guess I would have said the same thing!

@fluffycritter 6 ай бұрын

Both prints have pluses and minuses compared to the other, and the fact you used factory gcode makes it a bit awkward of a comparison anyway, especially since Bambu optimizes their gcode for speed rather than quality. I felt like print A came out slightly better overall but I'd still go with a Bambu over a Sidewinder just because of the Bambu ecosystem (which I'm already fully invested in because of my X1C).

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

That was definitely the point I was trying to make. You can tell the engineers at Bambu wanted to show off the speed. The A1 is an amazing machine, and the ecosystem is like nothing we have ever seen before.

@BennyTygohome 6 ай бұрын

Bambu a1 has single z motor. I think you said it had dual.

@lucase764 6 ай бұрын

Interesting. I assumed it had two z motors.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

THANK YOU! I've made a correction in the video at that part. I had read the wiki docs and they used plural "motors" when describing the Z-axis, but down below they switch to speaking singular about the motors. I asked Bambu and they confirmed to me that it is single Z.

@kimmotoivanen 5 ай бұрын

If your budget is 450, 2 X3 Pros 😅 They could print slower, even better quality and same amount of parts over time as A1. If A1 was currently available, that is.

@noobt4eguns 6 ай бұрын

The A looks little better than the B i think 🇨🇾🤔

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Yes, it does!

@boggisthecat 6 ай бұрын

I expected the A example to be from the X3. The extra time should allow a slight improvement in overall print quality. One variable is the filament. It would be interesting to try Bambu Lab filament on both machines with the exact same setup and see whether Bambu Lab dialled their speed benchy in for their own filament.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

We can definitely test that!

@technicallyreal 6 ай бұрын

It is exactly that. The mfg's provided gcode is tuned for different filament than he tested with, and the A1 is simply printing too fast for it. It's a silly and invalid comparison IMO, as the slower machine will always end up with the better print due to the wrong filament profile being used during slicing.

@boggisthecat 6 ай бұрын

@@technicallyreal I don’t know about that. I found that the Bambu Lab filament profiles are set up to be too conservative for other brands. I found printing eSUN PLA+ with Bambu Lab profile for ‘Tough PLA’ yields identical results. So we can’t know for sure unless tested. Filaments do all differ, of course, but most of the same type (e.g. PLA plus) are pretty close when it comes to melt and cooling requirements as there aren’t a lot of differences in the plastics that affect those. (With some exceptions, where ‘engineering’ variants are available with significant blend differences and additive changes. It is starting to become more complicated as even cheap no-name stuff can be very reasonable filament.)

@technicallyreal 6 ай бұрын

@@boggisthecat I have used Polymaker PLA Pro myself over the past year and the stuff I have starts to ripple and act weird over 12mm/s³ whereas the default speed for Bambu's own is 21mm/s³. This is why I say there's no way that it's going to come out looking as good with the mfg's gcode. LM should have made proper profiles for each printer. Both prints would benefit and the comparison would end up making sense. As it is, I don't see what is even being compared here.

@boggisthecat 6 ай бұрын

@@technicallyreal That’s interesting. Polymaker isn’t readily available here (New Zealand), so I have not tried it. I run PA tests (using Orca Slicer) then a test cube (built-in Orca Slicer one) to verify dimensional accuracy before use. Generally I have not found issues with running the filaments I use the most (eSUN PLA+, and some no-name local stuff from a Chinese OEM) at Bambu Labs flow rates. Abrasives like ‘glow in the dark’ are best dialled back a bit on speed, anyway. It would be useful to have some comparative testing on different brands on a single machine. That way you could extrapolate to your own machine after dialling in one filament.

@tomuraaja-kebunjeruk7313 6 ай бұрын

Honestly i used my A1 for a week now and it has printed some amazing benchys, different from your result maybe its just how you calibrate or maybe you didnt update it since when i recieved it, it needed a software update which makes the calibration work better and faster when i print the benchy it just works everything even in the overhang is printed in perfect circle im telling you FOR REAL!!

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

It is an amazing machine! Different results happen, this is why I printed it without editing or cutting. Filaments, speeds and temperature definitely play a part in the results.

@rb67mustang 4 ай бұрын

Possibly the 300mm/s on the X3 was part of why its print looks better than the A1. I want to get into 3DP, and there's so many printers it's almost impossible to choose one. I don't have a big budget and I want to print large parts for RC Vehicles. Maybe the X3 is what I should get.

@LoyalMoses Ай бұрын

I would choose the A1 for sure

@jakewinlow 6 ай бұрын

I would say that A is from the X3. They’re both totally acceptable benchy boats in my eyes. I just think B is from the A1 because the layers look a little more consistent.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Definitely.

@someone3202 6 ай бұрын

well B is the A1 , typical bambu benchy line on the bottom of the print x)

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Lots of people guess that too!

@jedispidey 6 ай бұрын

B for Bambu. Both look great though.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Was it that obvious!? It only makes sense for B to be Bambu!

@pmode50 6 ай бұрын

Isn't multi-color attractive?

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Heck yes! The AMS changed our industry forever.

@imkester 5 ай бұрын

did I just missed it or did you say the final print times for both benchy to have a much better point of comparison aside from just showing the print quality?

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

I mentioned the times, yes.

@reprinted3D 6 ай бұрын

The Artillery pri ts a better Benchy, due, I think, to it's larger part cooling fan, which helps with the bridging.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

It turned out so nice!

@LastDitchHero 6 ай бұрын

Not trying to be a Bambu fan boy but they calibrate those prints with their filament. It should be resliced with polymaker settings or generic pla.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

They both had to deal with filament that wasn't theirs.

@awesomeink 6 ай бұрын

I called it the artillery did amazing

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Great guess!

@radiotbo4646 6 ай бұрын

B from A1 and A from Artillery X3 pro

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Great guess!

@JustaPairofPants 6 ай бұрын

I think A looked better, still don't know which one is which.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

A lot of us think A looks better too!

@JustaPairofPants 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses I actually edited my comment to say that I thought that the A1 was worth twice the price difference because I was under the impression it was one the left but then when I got to then end of the video I re-edited it lol. I'm just going to try and save up money for the flagship model they're planning for this year and hope I can afford it lol.

@earlowens998 6 ай бұрын

The A1 surpasses the Artillery in bed size, Slicer and in overall getting the g.code to the printer. Then there’s the AMS. Bamboo Labs has a large store for parts etc. and a huge community willing to jump in and help with issues. I’m not ready to go back to sneaker net.

@AlbertoMartinez765 6 ай бұрын

The A1 also has a bunch of very expensive proprietary Parts' and a very Locked down OS, not to mention some shady ass practices they brought over from DJI. Nice printer but expensive for its size.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

That is complete misinformation - we deal with facts not rumors and brand hatred.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

The Bambu machine is definitely the better machine if you remove budget from the equation. For some, $200 is going to be the most they can afford and its important that we don't alienate them and help them select a machine too.

@moijzesz6369 6 ай бұрын

Artillery Sidewinder X4 PRO 319 $ 500mm/s

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Yup, different price points for different budgets. Some people can't afford $300, or $500.

@law_sensei 6 ай бұрын

The best point of the bambulab it's the multicolor system, to single color printer, best looking other options.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Yes, I completely agree. Bambu brought multi-color printing to the mainstream!

@davedempsey5282 6 ай бұрын

I had A as clearly the best.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Yup! 💜

@MrMuzza008 6 ай бұрын

Yes, I was surprised at the result. I'm not saying the X3 Pro is bad, because the results speak for themselves. But, I just got an A1 yesterday and the 1st thing I printed was the benchy (with genuine Bambu filament) and it came out almost flawless, better then either print in the video.

@technicallyreal 6 ай бұрын

IMO it's because the gcode that comes with the printer isn't going to work well with other filaments, and Polymaker PLA Pro especially in my experience doesn't work well unless slowed down and other adjustments made in the profile.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Filament, temps and speed play a huge part in it for sure. The A1 is the better machine for sure!

@jessebayon 6 ай бұрын

The speed is worth twice the price.

@LoyalMoses 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@jonathanbarnes5324 6 ай бұрын

A came from Artillery X3

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

How'd you know!?

@jonathanbarnes5324 6 ай бұрын

i saw your prints on x3 on your video before this one

@thomasjandl4134 6 ай бұрын

At 5:17 i was shure, that the left one is the Bambu-Benchy because ist had the same bottom-surface as my X1-prints. But i was wrong! I dont know why, but the all the precompiled objects on the bambu printers have less quality than prints via Bambu Studio. At leas the bottom Surface is 10 times better. The A1 should print at the same quality level as X1 and P1S but my X1-Benchy looks so much nicer. Please print another benchy via Bambu Studio an compare it.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

I knew when they finished and I looked at them closely, that it was going to trick people! I was very surprised. We'll definitely do another follow up video with some sliced models. The A1 is an amazing machine, and I think people already know that. I really wanted to share that the X3 Pro is pretty dang amazing.

@thomasjandl4134 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses The quality and speed of the new printer generation ist really amazing. Auto bedleveling has become a standard feature and I like the POE Shields. The X3 Pro has a Allmetall-Hotend which ist great for printing many types of filament. For only 219 Euro - Wow!

@designsbyrdw907daphnejwalker 6 ай бұрын

I think a came from the bambu

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

A lot of people guess that too!

@MocpacXYZ 6 ай бұрын

Paying more for a printer is not necessary equal to quality. I believe Elegoo gave you better printers compared to Creality for less price. *Probably most the brands now. That been said, I just got the A1 with the AMS and so far I love it. For the price is not the print speed only, extra features, software, official page, gamera etc etc etc. All that for 400 or 550 (Combo). No brainer if you don't want deal with upgrades level etc. And this is my 4th FDM printer and I still use them all.

@LoyalMoses 6 ай бұрын

Most of the time you get what you pay for!

@MocpacXYZ 6 ай бұрын

@@LoyalMoses in deed, at the same time some companies gave you a barebone printer for a big price just because the name. Is like getting filament, sometimes you get the 10.00 one and works sometimes it doesn't.