Best Car Engines of All Time: GM Stovebolt Six Cylinder (Chevrolet/Pontiac; 235/261/other sizes)

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Rare Classic Cars & Automotive History

2 жыл бұрын

Check out this video of one of GM's smoothest operators, the Stovebolt Six.
1959 Parisienne with Stovebolt Six:
1959 Pontiac Parisienne - The "Frankenstein" Canadian Pontiac
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@tomlewis3658
@tomlewis3658 2 жыл бұрын
This was an interesting discussion. The KZfaq channel "Cold War Motors" has been featuring 1 of these engines for the past few weeks. He picked up a stunningly original survivor 1937 Chevrolet, with a 216 c.i. Stovebolt 6. The engine was seized, and he has unstuck it now, and has been digging deep into it. He has a spare running 235 sitting in a lawn ornament 1950 Chevy, that could have been swapped in, but instead he is tearing into the original engine. You can get a great look at the internals of this engine in his recent videos, for those who are interested.
@chuckhaugan4970
@chuckhaugan4970 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely checking that channel out. Thanks
@mdogg1604
@mdogg1604 2 жыл бұрын
@@chuckhaugan4970 Same here! ('49 Chev 216)
@dionrau5580
@dionrau5580 2 жыл бұрын
Cold war is stone Cold!
@stoneylonesome4062
@stoneylonesome4062 2 жыл бұрын
I love those guys. I hope they get that SM running soon. My dad has one. My goal in life is to try and look after those things. I’m sure John from Rare Classic Cars would have a field day with one.
@seththomas9105
@seththomas9105 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't checked in on the Agents for some time now. Good men doing good things up north. Gotta do a CWM binge.
@kevinbarry71
@kevinbarry71 2 жыл бұрын
In-line six-cylinder is one of the best designs there is. It is in primary and secondary balance. It is smooth. It is, generally, easier to work on then a v configuration. Also generally cheaper to manufacture.
@kastbarg
@kastbarg 2 жыл бұрын
The rambler straight 6 was another very smooth and quiet engine as I recall in one of our neighbors cars.
@thomasheer825
@thomasheer825 2 жыл бұрын
The Rambler 6 was much more stout and reliable than the Chevy engine but not many people knew of them. They started life as a 7 main bearing, flat head. Then went to F head then onto a full overhead design. Actually the famous 4.0 Jeep engine is a very close relative to the old 40's vintage Rambler engine.
@gerardtrigo380
@gerardtrigo380 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasheer825, I worked for AMC in the late 60’s and early 70’s. AMC spent a billion dollars in today’s money to develop the overhead valve 6. It was a completely new engine from the old flathead engines. The engine evolved into the 4 liter engine. People have taken parts from a 258 cid (4.2 liter) engine and mated them with parts from the 4 liter engine to make a 4.7 liter fuel injected engine. It was the money spent on that engine and used to purchase a newly developed V8 engine line from Buick that caused AMC their original financial difficulties. They pulled out somewhat with their purchase of Jeep from Kaiser for a song.
@gerardtrigo380
@gerardtrigo380 2 жыл бұрын
When I was working as a mechanic in the sixties, the first generation GM sixes had a problem with crankshaft failures due to flexing from lack of support with only three main bearings, usually around 60,000 miles. GM first addressed the issue by installing forged instead of cast cranks, but reduced the problem by redesigning the engine with 4 main bearings. Why not redesign it with seven main bearings like the other manufacturers? The bean counters did not like the additional $6 per engine that would cost, and with 4 main bearings engineers figured average engine life would be increased by 50%, to a level they felt the public would accept.
@thomasheer825
@thomasheer825 2 жыл бұрын
@@gerardtrigo380 Got the number wrong there on 6 mains, it is 7. Assume it was a oopsi.
@gerardtrigo380
@gerardtrigo380 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomasheer825 yep.
@davidgrisez
@davidgrisez 2 жыл бұрын
I am 70 years old and when I was a child growing up my parents owned a 1956 Chevrolet Bel Air that was equipped with the 235 cubic inch in line 6 cylinder engine and 3 speed column shift manual transmission. I remember this car as having an oil bath air cleaner filter. Also this engine was not equipped with an oil filter. My father installed an add on bypass oil filter. Also I remember my father telling me that this engine had problems with insufficient oil flow to the rocker arm assembly and hydraulic valve lifters. Adding a bypass oil filter with the oil return going to the rocker arm assembly did solve some of this trouble.
@retireditguy9493
@retireditguy9493 2 жыл бұрын
My family had a 1956 210 automatic. It had an oil filter which was a factory option. By the time I was a teenager and ready to learn how to drive the 210 was a second car and it had some collapsed hydraulic lifters. Replacing the lifters was my first attempt at fixing something bigger than a lawn mower. I remember my father showing me the invoice on that car with the total price at $1600. I have more than that invested just in scan tools now to keep my 2 “modern” over engineered vehicles running.
@mikep490
@mikep490 2 жыл бұрын
@@retireditguy9493 True, but remember that in '56, that was around $22K in 2020 money. Your $1600 in tools would equate to around $115 in '56.
@christophercrawford777
@christophercrawford777 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikep490 Still cheap by today's standards. Few cars today can be bought for as little as $22,000. Midsize family cars start at $30,000.
@mikep490
@mikep490 2 жыл бұрын
@@christophercrawford777 Yep, but.I wasn't referring to the tool cost. The average US car is now $47K, but have features that's shame a '56 Caddy, at about the same price.
@fordilac
@fordilac 2 жыл бұрын
Had a 1 owner 56 Bel-Air 235/3speed in high school in 1965.
@uhplumber5962
@uhplumber5962 2 жыл бұрын
I had two 1963 Chevy 2s with the 194 CI straight six. They were as you described, reliable and quiet but no speed demons. These both had three speed column shifts that most younger people today have never heard of. They were considered compact cars at the time.
@timothykeith1367
@timothykeith1367 2 жыл бұрын
Three-on-the-tree anti-theft device
@jeffreysproul9110
@jeffreysproul9110 2 жыл бұрын
My father's 62 Chevy II had the Power Glide and it was slow but it was solid and easy to work on.
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 2 жыл бұрын
They're pretty small even by today's standards, and lighter than almost every new car on the road.
@donaldappelhof2059
@donaldappelhof2059 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreysproul9110 remember my dad driving 60mph and my mom went to hit my brother in the back set and in doing so put the car in reverse! Dad didn’t panic and no damage to the transmission or engine. Try that in today’s cars. lol We had a 62 wagon blue.
@cikadavid1735
@cikadavid1735 8 ай бұрын
My dad had one. No pushbuttons for the AM radio, three-on-the-tree, no options added at all. It was the first car I ever rode in, as I was brought home from the hospital in it.
@chuckoaks6756
@chuckoaks6756 2 жыл бұрын
Dad had a 50 chev pickup. It ran perfectly. We hauled cords and cords of wood with that old pickup. My sister had it restored a year ago buy didn't need to dig into the engine. Loved the roar it made in 1st gear coming out of the woods.
@gw5309
@gw5309 2 жыл бұрын
We had a '51 International 1 ton PU that we used to haul firewood and bag fertilizer. We could literally put a ton and a half of fertilizer on it and barely smash the leaf springs. It had a straight pipe all the way to the bumper and made a beastly growl climbing hills. It was a brute.
@ronfullerton3162
@ronfullerton3162 2 жыл бұрын
@@gw5309 The one thing you knew about the "Binders" was that the suspension would haul a load. Those things were brutes. And would shake your "innerds" up!
@TheDj4088
@TheDj4088 2 жыл бұрын
"Aural quantities" is the poshest substitute for loudness I have ever heard. Well done sir!
@johnlandacre767
@johnlandacre767 2 жыл бұрын
Albeit is one of my favorite words you use, Adam. One of the car mags from way back used to use this word a lot. Keep up the good work. It's refreshing that someone actually knows how to speak English flawlessly, with a little French thrown in occasionally.😁
@MichaelBoyd-nr9gv
@MichaelBoyd-nr9gv 22 күн бұрын
Enjoyed your comments. I love the 235 in my ‘49 3100 pickup. Very smooth, however, I put on Fenton header, Offenhouser dual intake. Little more power, but very sweet eye candy. And sound? Nothing sounds better than a Stovebolt in heat!
@billbright1755
@billbright1755 9 ай бұрын
My stove bolt is still hauling loads after 72 years and running fine. Dip and splash connecting rod system with oil tray transfer. 1951 Chevrolet 1/2 ton pick up.
@BobNSuch
@BobNSuch 2 жыл бұрын
I love your best/worst engines and transmission chats. I have learned so much from your videos. Keep up the great work my friend.
@shopwornbear1171
@shopwornbear1171 2 жыл бұрын
The old Stovebolt. My father's 1967 Chevrolet Bel Air station wagon. Let me give you a not so quick synopsis. It had tires. Retreaded again, and again and again. It had seats. More springs than stuffing, and upholstery brought to you by the makers of cheap packing tape. It had a gas tank. It was strapped (I kid you not), through the rear quarter with those aluminum tension straps you had to screw in to tighten. It had paint. Marina Blue paint. It looked great, oxidized (long before clear coat was a thing). It was complimentary two tone for this prosperous family. Rust and Marina Blue. Not paint, but it blended in just as nicely as it sounds. It had door handles. Actually, it had vise grip. One, to be exact. To get out, you either (if you were one of the kids...yours truly was one of) escaped through the tailgate, or you exited through the driver's door. It had window cranks. Well, it had two. One was stripped, the other kept falling off. It was passed around quite a bit. It had a radiator. That radiator loved eggs apparently; as dad often threw one down it's gullet quite often. It had headlights. Well, if headlights could suffer from cataracts, this beast's surely did. It had rubber belts. Well...some of them might have once been rubber, but that's a question for the ages. It had a muffler. Yes, one that was taped up with some sort of early furnace pipe tape. It often needed re-taping. And it had a Stovebolt 6. Now, this car had itself some fine luxuries. Like the floor mats that came out of people's entry ways; the kind you put your boots on. That was to keep the gravel from shooting up into the passenger compartment via the big hole in the floor. But that Stovebolt was this car's greatest luxury. You see, it never, ever faltered. I live in Ontario, Canada, and it gets cold here. Like, minus 40c cold (no idea what that is in Fahrenheit, sorry). When every other car in the parking lot was frozen solid, and refused to start; dad's Stovebolt always...ALWAYS cranked over with one turn of the key. Granted, dad's car batteries were as opulent as the rest of this heap, and often required an electric blanket wrapped around them while they charged, but that engine never ever failed to crank. Dad never tuned up a car. He never maintained them. If they got an oil change, it was party city for that poor old clunk. Yet, that engine kept on chugging. It chugged on until 1981, when the cops finally pulled my dad over and ordered that car off the road for good. By then, the lower rear quarters flapped, literally, in the wind; the tailgate window fell down if you hit too hard a bump, the floors were virtually nonexistent, and one of the frame rails had started to give. Yet, even as dad drove Bessie (that's what ma named her) to her final reward, that Stovebolt still chugged on as if it was just built the day before. My father traded "up" (figuratively, the car was junked, not traded in) to a Chevette, a year old car. Ma called it a Shoveitte, with good reason. He was ashamed to be driving that old heap, but that heap got us across Canada on a number of occasions, summer and winter. Bessie often boosted frozen cars on the worst days. That heap was literally falling to bits, but that motor, for all of it's lack of care and maintenance, never failed us on any occasion. While dad spoke of that car with a bit of contempt in his older years, he always spoke with reverence for the engine that powered her. It's an engine that was brilliantly designed because it was simple, straightforward and built like a Sherman Tank. It may never have won any NASCAR events, nor would any teenager be down on the strip bragging up it's horsepower or torque, but it got a lot of farmers to market in their Chevy trucks, government agency and fleet cars around town with little complaint and one family of five who didn't have the means, and really depended upon its dependability. I still fondly remember, and cherish those memories of that old girl, and the heartbeat that never ebbed, every time she turned into the driveway. Just my spin on a great power plant.
@RareClassicCars
@RareClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
Great story!
@johnlandacre767
@johnlandacre767 2 жыл бұрын
You are an excellent writer. You made an interesting story out of a shabby '67 Chevy Bel Air that soldiered on until the wheels almost fell off. My dad never took great care of our cars either. Three of them, a '51 Chevy Biscayne, a 59 Ford Fairlane Custom, and a 66 Ford Fairlane, had NO optional equipment, no radio, no power steering or automatic transmission, let alone V-8 power. Only a heater and defroster. Somehow, we talked one of the most frugal men the world had ever seen into a '69 Dodge Coronet 500, with automatic and AC, and a 383 2 barrel V-8. Truly a miracle. To this day I don't know how my mom and I did it. Sure did make hot summer drives a lot more pleasant.
@luisvelasco316
@luisvelasco316 2 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally, -40 C = -40 F
@jeffreysproul9110
@jeffreysproul9110 2 жыл бұрын
I can picture your story in my mind what a great story. My father's 62 Chevy II was in good shape but I took care of it in exchange for driving it to high school and my first year in college. My father was very thrifty and would not fix the rotting headliner and the hole on the driver's side floor. I patched up the headliner with cardboard from shirts and painted it with Rustoleum paint which it absorbed like a sponge. I then painted the worn plastic dashboard chrome with silver model paint and covered the faded visors with red and white contact paper. I then cut out happy faces from extra material from a dress my mother made for my sister. I was driving with my father in the Chevy II one day when he had me pull over at a construction site and pickup discarded metal siding with ridges in it. When we got home he had me out in the driveway hammering out the ridges from the discarded metal siding and then I shaped them to fit under the rubber floor lining. Fixed the floor but every time I moved my heel on or off the accelerate it went click click. I would wax that Chevy II every 3 months with Vista car wax to where I could see my reflection on that Roman Red original finish. When I went away to college for my second year my father sold that Chevy II. Really miss that car and the memories that I have from it and both my older brothers drove it. It was one of the first Chevy IIs custom ordered in Sept 61 Roman Red with a red interior, AM radio, Power Glide, and 194 cu in straight 6.
@johnlandacre767
@johnlandacre767 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreysproul9110 You must have been a very responsible, hard working young man. I guess a lot of kids take on the responsibility of keeping the family car in decent shape when the man of the house is not of a mind to do so. I used to buy car wax and wash, and bleche white spray for the white walls, and use them regularly. I guess, what else does a 14-18 year old do in his spare time?
@jamestudoseartimon
@jamestudoseartimon 2 жыл бұрын
No need to apologise to anyone who gets upset about you saying 'motor' instead of 'Engine'. Say what you feel comfortable with. If people cant understand 'Motor' then they are not automotive enthusiasts. I prefer Engine myself but thats not any reason to expect you to use the same term. As always a great chat and you are by far one of the better content producers on here in automotive subject. Thankyou again.
@timothykeith1367
@timothykeith1367 2 жыл бұрын
Motor or engine, but please don't say ICE. These are motor vehicles.
@jeffreysproul9110
@jeffreysproul9110 2 жыл бұрын
Agree call it a motor or an engine. Adam you knowledge and content are great and I appreciate your straight forward and understandable presentations. You are one of the best content producers on automobiles. I thank you as well.
@pbgd3
@pbgd3 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who debates engine vs motor is busy tucking their weiner back. Everyone can tell if you know the difference if you don't know the difference just go ahead and tuck it. If you feel the need to call out the languagistics just again go ahead and tuck it.
@stuckinmygarage6220
@stuckinmygarage6220 Жыл бұрын
Don't the Brits call them "motors" ? 🙂. Agree. No acronyms like "ICE" Haha
@andybrownleeACDC
@andybrownleeACDC Жыл бұрын
@@stuckinmygarage6220 in the olden days the vehicle would have been referred to a motor car But usually engine for the engine/motor
@bigdogbob845
@bigdogbob845 7 ай бұрын
My stovebolt Chevy story involves a 1962 Four Door Chevrolet Biscayne with a 235 CI straight six and a Three-on-the-Tree manual trans. What a durable, dependable, and reliable old Beast. After a very abusive ( I was a teenager for crying out loud) and long ten year break in period we decided it would be a good idea to drive this old beauty with almost 200K miles on a road trip through the blazing hot desert of Baja California, Mexico in the middle of summer, No Problem I Said ! It turned out after 14 days and 1,200 miles (we almost made it to Cabo) my brother's car (a 1966 VW bus) sucked a valve and broke down. Well with a tow rope and a little bit of luck, the six of us and the two vehicles made it back to the border where the Cal Highway Patrol told us to get a tow hitch because they wouldn't allow us to tow my brother's VW bus back into the US with a ROPE !
@paulfrantizek102
@paulfrantizek102 2 жыл бұрын
Nice detail to mention the compression ratio, many people fail to take that into account when analyzing older engine tech. I recall reading that in WWII trucks and other land vehicles were designed to use gasoline in the 60 - 70 octane range.
@christopherconard2831
@christopherconard2831 2 жыл бұрын
Philips 76 got it's name because the marketing department wanted to emphasize it's high octane, and perceived extra purity and power.
@Texassince1836
@Texassince1836 2 жыл бұрын
The Stovebolt 235 was 8.25:1 compression in its last years of operation, 85 octane or higher needed in those. Stovebolt 261 in trucks was 8.0:1 at the end.
@andylb1
@andylb1 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, love this series! I also like your comment about reserving the right to become a smarter person! 😉😊
@willallen7757
@willallen7757 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen a lot of mistakes made and parts ruined because people won't properly research. My buddy had a guy that usually does motorcycles rebuild and assemble his longblock for supercharger. We put it all together and install it, runs great but has weird knocks as you release accelerators . He drove it a week and we tore it down , dude had just assumed it had 76cc combustion chambers and bought the wrong pistons . It had zz heads with 68cc(you can see difference but dude built bikes). A Tech at comp cams estimated it had 16:1 static compression when you want 8:0, it started fantastic and sounded like a top fuel dragster, ran good too but knocked. All the lands on the pistons were broke off and fell like cards into your hand. Ofc my rebuild is still a shining star :) .
@cbsctomh
@cbsctomh 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a used 1970 Nova in 1979 for $600 with three options. It had the larger 6 (250 vs. 230), a floor shift ( 3 speed Saginaw) and an AM radio. When I showed my father he said it was the same engine that was in his old 1940 Chevy. The motor was a tractor engine but was very smooth and had good torque. Everything in that car was made for durability, from the rubber floor mat to the heavy vinyl seats. My Uncle had a '65 Chevy Impala with the 6 that he drove from NJ to FL annually and said that he trusted that engine over any other vehicle. The 1bbl. carb was basically a pipe with a butterfly valve at the top and a gas inlet line halfway down.
@Hogger280
@Hogger280 2 жыл бұрын
In 1975 my best friend and I drove a 53 Chevy 2.5 ton grain truck from Lake Norden South Dakota to Palo Alto Ca. This truck had the 235 with a 4 sp. and 2 sp. rear end and we had loaded in the back of it a 75 Toyota S R 5 and in the back of it an extra cab for the Chevy. It was slow up the hills but usually could maintain 60 to 65 mph on the level. A couple of years later I replaced the engine with a Chevy 292 I-6 - what an awesome engine that was!!
@alecfromminnenowhere2089
@alecfromminnenowhere2089 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, again! These are really interesting. You are clearing up a lot of questions I have had over the years.
@OLDS98
@OLDS98 2 жыл бұрын
Informative. I did not know any of this information. I hope you will continue to share. The topics have been interesting and the inside GM stuff is always great.
@markcollins457
@markcollins457 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct, the 235cid was smooth and powered many Chevys and other GM products. All American manufacturers made stellar in line sixes and the all had there little quarks. The Chevy smoked, the Ford liked to eat starters & Chrysler slant six valve train was loud. Loved them all.
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 10 ай бұрын
The Chev leaked. (Mine did, anyway - trans more than the engine.) So did the Dodge, though it leaked less than the Chev. Never dealt with a Ford, though I almost got one, once - it was sold before I had enough saved to buy it. Wish I could have gotten *that* one.
@hugh007
@hugh007 2 жыл бұрын
Ford Flatheads were the quietest, vibration free engines I've encountered. They would idle down to about 300RPM and you'd have to look at the 3 blade fan to see it running. Thanks, great videos.
@davidtrollope6644
@davidtrollope6644 2 жыл бұрын
All flat heads very quiet smooth runners
@theeoddments960
@theeoddments960 2 жыл бұрын
The counterweights on those crankshafts were anvil sized so it’s a given lol
@jeromebreeding3302
@jeromebreeding3302 2 жыл бұрын
I can attest to the quietness, and smoothness of the Chevy stovebolt. I bought a 57 210 sedan in 1967, with 47,000 mi. When running it through the inspection lanes, the inspectors we're amazed at how quiet and smoothly it idled.
@ronfullerton3162
@ronfullerton3162 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidtrollope6644 I had a couple of late 1940's Plymouths. If you opened up the hood, you could hear the tappets. They were so fun to drive and cruise around, especially with those over stuffed seats.
@christopherkraft1327
@christopherkraft1327 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing another fun porch chat!!! 👍👍
@wingman427
@wingman427 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done video. Rebuilt a stove bolt motor in shop class (circa 1965). Not terribly difficult to rebuild and learned a great deal. Remember my shop teacher telling us that the 265 V8 was lighter and more powerful than the inline 6.
@James-hd4ms
@James-hd4ms 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you aimed your splashers.
@Texassince1836
@Texassince1836 2 жыл бұрын
@@James-hd4ms depends on what year the motor was. Splashers were only used up to 53/54. After that there were no splashers
@Texassince1836
@Texassince1836 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Wingman427 the stovebolts were thick, heavy built 6s. The 235/261 was every bit as heavy as an early smallblock
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@Texassince1836 53, and only in standard shift that year. 54 was full pressure for all models.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@Texassince1836 It was a little heavier.
@johna.4334
@johna.4334 2 жыл бұрын
Once again Adam, another great video. Keep `em coming please.
@MostlyBuicks
@MostlyBuicks 2 жыл бұрын
Not a Mopar guy, but my vote for 6 cylinders is the Dodge 225 Slant Six.
@timothykeith1367
@timothykeith1367 2 жыл бұрын
I love the slant six, but the AMC/Jeep six got the technical upgrades that kept it competitive into the early 2000s.
@Sonny_V
@Sonny_V 2 жыл бұрын
Bulletproof
@ronfullerton3162
@ronfullerton3162 2 жыл бұрын
I had a L-P Gas customer that used the Chrysler slant sixes on his irrigation rigs. He didn't use anything else unless he couldn't find one when he needed one. His next motor of choice was a Buick V-8. Never thought to ask which it was.
@MostlyBuicks
@MostlyBuicks 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronfullerton3162 The Buick nailhead engines were used in the starter cart for J58 aircraft. The slant 6 was half of a V12 industrial engine.
@paulyandle6081
@paulyandle6081 2 жыл бұрын
"I reserve the right to get smarter." A wise gentleman, you are.
@jimthompson606
@jimthompson606 3 ай бұрын
When I was growing up in Georgia, there was one local character who could get rubber going into high gear in his 51 Chevy with this engine. Those were great cars, smooth and durable as you've described.
@timothyprice9064
@timothyprice9064 18 күн бұрын
My first car was a 1970 Nova with a 250 inline 6. In 1978 when I had it people would think the car had shut off when I pulled up to stop lights. The engine was just that smooth.
@michaelb8245
@michaelb8245 2 жыл бұрын
My parents inherited my Great Grandmothers 1955 Chev Bel-Air post coupe when I was a kid in the '80's. I learned to drive on that car. It had a Blue Flame 136 and a 2-speed powerglide auto transmission. It was extremely smooth and quiet. At full throttle it demonstrated surprising torque. Big steering wheel and good brake feel too. I drove that car to high school and loved it so much. I got it painted in its original blue, put the original custom heater and defrost controls in it I pulled from a junkyard car. I also rebuilt the carb as a teen with my dad and got the interior completely re-upholstered Those were great times. My dad promised me the car but my mom sold it to my uncle when I was away in college. Came back home crushed that the car was gone. To this day I never forgot that. Years later I drove my sisters straight 6 BMW 5 whatever. Hot car. It had more power but not the smoothness of the Blue Flame. That's how balanced the Blue Flame engine is. Everything I drive today the baseline for smoothness is that engine.
@jeffreysproul9110
@jeffreysproul9110 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Toyota's original straight 6 based on the Chevy Blue Flame 6? I remember the Toyota 6 as being an excellent 6 in the Land Cruisers.
@Sedan57Chevy
@Sedan57Chevy 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, this is absolutely one of my favorite motors. You listen to them run, even a very early one from the early 30s, and they're so smooth and quiet and honestly just excellent motors. The 49-54 Chevrolet's with this motor are some of my absolute favorites out there- amazing looking cars and a great power plant for around town or backroad driving. It's hard to argue with a small block, but the stovebolt was honestly just s fantastic every day motor. Also, just want to say I like all your glasses, Adam. You seem to have an interesting collection. Same goes for your watch.
@tootsie5052
@tootsie5052 2 жыл бұрын
I had 2 '53 Chevy powerglide coupes, wrecked one , bought another with a knock and no reverse so you had to watch where you parked it, I didn't have much cash at the time. I ran the crap out of that engine but it never seemed to faze it.
@Primus54
@Primus54 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Adam. Even though I grew up in the 60’s, I honestly cannot remember driving any 6-cylinder full size GM vehicles. I did drive a ‘65 Rambler American with the AMC 232” 6-cylinder. It was fairly peppy for a 6. Cheers. 👍👍👍
@1voiceofstl
@1voiceofstl 2 жыл бұрын
I drove a 4 door 66 doge coronet with the slant 6 and a automatic. In the city not to bad. On the highway it needed a V8.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@1voiceofstl It is too bad that Chrysler never made a longer block version of the Slant 6. A 265 cubic inch version would have been super.
@stevespatola763
@stevespatola763 Жыл бұрын
I liked the Chevy 292 6 cylinder engine. Great torque and hot roddable.
@cadillacguy1890
@cadillacguy1890 2 жыл бұрын
“I always reserve the right to get smarter”. If only we could get politicians to commit to that before they take office.
@stuckinmygarage6220
@stuckinmygarage6220 Жыл бұрын
Great line👍
@cadillacguy1890
@cadillacguy1890 Жыл бұрын
@@stuckinmygarage6220 thanks
@FedUpCanuck
@FedUpCanuck 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the Chevy 250 straight six. I did an engine swap in my truck and should have used that motor instead I used a Buick 3.8 V6 big mistake nothing but headaches from that motor. The old 283 and 327 were also great motors
@timothykeith1367
@timothykeith1367 2 жыл бұрын
I'd bet the GM 3800 from a rear drive Camaro or Firebird would be a nice swap, plus some 3800s were supercharged.
@DejaView
@DejaView 2 жыл бұрын
I think 327 was truly the "sweet-spot" for Chevy small blocks. 265 & 283 were just a little short on cubic inches to have the torque for the heavier full-size cars & 350/400 small block might have been stroked long enough to just not quite develop the revs of the 327. That's not to say they weren't good. I had a full size one-ton Chevy Van small block 400 4bbl/THM400 & for a big heavy vehicle, that thing could really go! I also think the 327 was good for getting higher HP & torque figures at somewhat lower revs (literally acted like a "bigger" motor) than some other V8s & if you look at old Chevy factory literature from the '60s everything up to 300 HP says "general performance camshaft" that's a lot of HP without a crazy radical cam & everything up to 350 HP ran hydraulic lifters. Almost anything else and you needed solid lifters & wild cams just to get to 1 HP/CU IN. Interesting comparison on the "lower end", "family car" engines. If you check early '60s Ford 352 (pre 351 era) 250 HP 4bbl you'll find same HP & SAME torque both produced at SAME RPM figures as 327/250 4bbl in spite of Ford's 25 CID advantage!
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@DejaView Ford also had a 300 horsepower 352 in the earlier years.
@codyluka8355
@codyluka8355 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent chat Adam!
@seththomas9105
@seththomas9105 2 жыл бұрын
Between my junior and senior year of high school I bought a 46 GMC heavy half with a Gopher rebuilt 292 in it. I still have the truck and the engine runs great. More than enough power for the old Jimmy. Truck hasn't been on the road in a while because of life/drivetrain issues. But it is stored safe and dry and waiting for the day.
@stuckinmygarage6220
@stuckinmygarage6220 Жыл бұрын
Don't wait too long! 👍 Share that ride.
@terrymertz1923
@terrymertz1923 2 жыл бұрын
I put a lot of miles on the 235 we had in trucks that we used to haul to market with. I think they were around the early 50 model year. They have a 4 speed with a vacuum operated two speed rear. They got the job done!!
@Oldbmwr100rs
@Oldbmwr100rs 2 жыл бұрын
Good info about the stovebolt engine, it was so good Toyota produced their own copy with improvements in oiling and used it in their land cruisers well into the 70's. As for what you said about Jaguar though, their V8 was their own design, the earlier ones suffered from top cylinder erosion from ethanol in fuel due to their Nikasil cylinder treatment, that was remedied with changing to iron cylinder liners. Was actually a good engine that only had problems with the timing chain tensioners and guides, Ford's infusion of cash allowed them to develop the engine further into a 4.2 liter with improved timing components that were reverse compatible with the earlier engine to fix it's problems. Now Jaguar did use the lower end of ford's duratec V6, but designed their own heads and intake system for that, and it was a pretty reliable engine in the X-type based on the Ford Mondeo. It's major issue from the bunch of them I worked on was intake manifold leaks more than anything. The X-type was a pretty poor car for jaguar really, but their S-type which they shared with Lincoln was pretty good and their XJ8, especially the 04 and later were actually great cars overall, I was impressed enough to buy one, only to be driven crazy by the stupid placement of the gigantic ignition key, bur other than that it was a pretty trouble free car, as were the several I took care of at the shop I was working at. Be nice to Jaguar, they have an interesting history and still make nice cars.
@loupecci4901
@loupecci4901 2 жыл бұрын
I like these porch chats. I’m drooling for the “Best GM Sun Visors of all Time” episode!
@RaimarLunardi
@RaimarLunardi 2 жыл бұрын
I have an 1974 GM 250 inline six here in Brazil, it's awesome, sounds awesome!
@toronado455
@toronado455 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is growing. Thanks for the video. 🏆
@Richard4point6
@Richard4point6 2 жыл бұрын
Love your philosophy..."the party can wait."
@darrylmcleman6456
@darrylmcleman6456 2 жыл бұрын
I had 2 or 3 59 chevys with straight 6 around 1970.They could be had around that time for $50.00 or so. Easy for a kid to work on.Usually burned a little oil. Viewing from Westcoast Canada
@stevenrobberts3238
@stevenrobberts3238 4 ай бұрын
My dad and I had a 1954 Chevrolet 210, 2door post, with a 235, 3 on the tree. That was the only engine I have ever seen that we could idle it down so slow you could literally follow/count the engine as each cylinder fired.
@m.j.mateyka7350
@m.j.mateyka7350 2 жыл бұрын
I had the 235 in my first car, a '60 Chevy wagon. It was a smooth engine, and could roll the wagon along at 93 mph with the peddle to the metal. When it hit 60,000, my dad (who was a mechanic and loved Chevy) and I did a rebuild. This was what was the common mileage to get from them. We had it bored out 40 thousandths over so I wound up with a 246. I ran it for another four years before selling it. This was in Wisconsin, so the car rusted away from the still good drive train. You should also include the GM 270 straight six as a great engine. I had that in a 58' GMC flat bed. The 270 is loved by land speeder and racers.
@littlejohnny47
@littlejohnny47 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, really enjoy these videos! Even more than the road tests! Only comment I can add is maybe a bit more technical info on something like this “stove bolt” engine, like where it got that nickname, maybe a cutaway shot from a manual to see the arrangement of internals and externals, or things like that for those of us pretty ignorant of this generation of American products. Thanks again for a fine video discussion!
@northdakotaham1752
@northdakotaham1752 2 жыл бұрын
I have the 261 in a 1954 medium duty truck. Plenty of power and very smooth running. A family truck, been driving it for over 50 years.
@kennyclark284
@kennyclark284 2 жыл бұрын
I remember growing up with a 54 Chevy 210 and later a 59 Chevy BelAir, both with the stovebolt 6 and three on the column. As I remember the transmission had a wide range. If barely rolling you could be in 2nd and it could hold to 55 mph, if need be. I always thought these were a pleasure to drive.
@walterhenderson2155
@walterhenderson2155 2 жыл бұрын
What about the Chrysler slant 6?
@shawngoldsberry747
@shawngoldsberry747 Жыл бұрын
Vacuum windshield wipers suck. I would love to have that 1953 model 210 back anyway.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@shawngoldsberry747 If you have a double-action fuel pump, they work OK. Ford offered a vacuum-reserve tank for the same purpose.
@GrotrianSeiler
@GrotrianSeiler 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@douglasburskey6411
@douglasburskey6411 2 жыл бұрын
Another interesting GM engine was the Pontiac overhead cam 6. My brother had a 69 Tempest with that OHC 6 in it.
@johnlandacre767
@johnlandacre767 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading glowing reports of this Pontiac OHC engine, and how groundbreaking it was, and how it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then it was discontinued with little notice, and little lament. Just wondering if anyone has information about this engine, and whether it would have been a game changer for Pontiac and GM.
@douglasburskey6411
@douglasburskey6411 2 жыл бұрын
I think OHC 6 was a creation from John Delorean when he was with Pontiac division. Made from 1966 to 1969.
@ronfullerton3162
@ronfullerton3162 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnlandacre767 A buddy had one in a Pontiac Tempest four door. He drove the crap out of that poor thing. It had the old two speed automatic, which he would hold it down in first till I figured we soon would see flying pistons and rods, and then finally let it shift up. It had lots of miles on it when he put a hole in a piston top. Repaired that, and drove it the same for a long time after. I was impressed by the fact the torture it went through and still ran smooth.
@leebarnes655
@leebarnes655 2 жыл бұрын
Not much of a game changer at all. The world was done with six bangers by the time these reached their peak which was 7,000 RPM that had the theoretical air consumption of a 350 at 5,000. You aren't taking any doors off with a stock 350 or one of these either. Delorean made many enemies during his time at GM which is why for the last two years of this engine 68 and 69 it was only available as a 250 CID engine. So hated was he with no name that the proper spark plugs and valves for the new head that needed to be made for it were never published. To this day you can order spark plugs for it, but what you will get is the plugs for the 230 CID engine instead. The new valves were 0.100 shorter and caused me no small amount of grief because of valve lift off at about 50,000 miles. I took a full size angle grinder to them all and made some clearance that way. Later on I found the shorter valves listed in the TRW master catalog that belonged to my mentor, I don't remember if I ordered some or not though. I do remember finding them and they are NOT suggested for that engine either so word was not given out by GM as a polite going away present. TRW made the valves, they just didn't tell anybody about it. Must have cost a lot of money to tool up for those two years of heads with slow sales and then all that money right down the toilet.
@DejaView
@DejaView 2 жыл бұрын
@@leebarnes655 That was the unfortunate problem with these. You had to kinda want something unusual because you could spend the money for a Firebird Sprint with a "hot" 6 & still not have anywhere near the HP & torque of a base 2bbl 350. Cubic inches was just the "name of the game" back then. (Same story for Chevy small block F/I motors. Forget it, let's just use 396 or 427 CID instead. A whole lot simpler & cheaper to make)!
@sodiebergh
@sodiebergh 2 жыл бұрын
Another gem! I'm a sucker for an inline six. The 261 in your Parisienne is delightful, as is your taste in eye glasses frames.
@sombra6153
@sombra6153 2 жыл бұрын
One of my granddads had a handful of cars & pickups with the ole 235. He really liked the 235s until he bought a 67 Impala with a 250. From then on it was 230-250s in everything he bought.
@johndaut2838
@johndaut2838 2 жыл бұрын
In High School I had a 1957 Chevrolet 1/2 ton pickup that had the 261 stove bolt. It was a kickass engine. I used to drag race it constantly after school. I beat every 289 Mustang in school. My buddy in Auto Mechanics had a 1959 Chevy 2dr hardtop with a 283 4bbl. I beat him on a $20 bet which was a lot in 1970. My aunt slipped her 4whl drive Jeep 1/2 ton in a ditch and I hooked it up with a chain and told her to put it in 4wd. I was on asphalt and pulled her out of the ditch backwards with her tires spinning and found out she was in drive the whole time. That engine had lots of torque.
@67marlins
@67marlins 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Ford/Mopar guy, but recently learned the GMC division ran their own family of V-6 engines from 1959 to 1974. The biggest was a 478 cubic inch V-6 that developed over 400 ft-lb of torque at 1400 rpm......so basically the motor was absolutely perfect for trucks. They put these in good old regular GMC pickups. Those V-6s were apparently nicknamed the 'Hercules' engines because they were so reliable and tough. Might be worth a post?
@leewaken5059
@leewaken5059 2 жыл бұрын
"The party can wait for you"😂 I like that! A bit off topic but, we had a 1966 GMC pickup with a V-6. Not a bunch of HP but it made up for it with huge torque numbers! Stump pulling type #'s! Love your story telling. Thank you Adam.
@ronfullerton3162
@ronfullerton3162 2 жыл бұрын
Those old GMC truck V-6 engines were a workhorse. The company I worked for during vacations from school had several Jimmy tonners. Good workers! And the man that hauled Dad's milk from farm to market had several big Jimmys, all with the V-6. He wouldn't have anything else.
@michaelnault5905
@michaelnault5905 2 жыл бұрын
Reading the comments, and looking back. GM made a lot of different engines, and components. I think a bunch of inline sixes powered folks through times of need.
@tootsie5052
@tootsie5052 2 жыл бұрын
The original 216 CI in my '53 Chevy pickup ran great but developed a knock, so I ordered a rebuilt 235 CI with dual carbs, a mild cam and dual exhaust to replace it and it took about 6 months to get. It's not quite done yet and I can't wait to hear it run and drive it drive it. The truck already has the S-10 T 5 overdrive trans, it's a fairly easy swap and it makes it so much more driveable.
@mitchellbarnow1709
@mitchellbarnow1709 2 жыл бұрын
Adam, thank you for explaining the engine versus motor controversy! Our high school auto shop teacher in 1976-1977, would never allow us to call an engine a motor and that's what I still adhere to. I don't think that I ever wrote any KZfaq comments about that, because I am not an expert because of what one teacher in high School taught me. I really love watching every one of your videos and I am thrilled that you've taken an interest in so many of the cars that seemed so horrible at the time, especially when smog devices first appeared, way before today's computer controls.
@ricksadler797
@ricksadler797 Жыл бұрын
I was taught a moter was electric ⚡️ and the engine was gas/diesel powered
@mitchellbarnow1709
@mitchellbarnow1709 Жыл бұрын
@@ricksadler797 Me too, even at auto-shop in college.
@marydesmond9595
@marydesmond9595 11 ай бұрын
everyone knows its Harley Davidson Engine Company, Ford Engine Company, General Engines, Indianapolis Engine Speedway, etc.
@mitchellbarnow1709
@mitchellbarnow1709 11 ай бұрын
@@marydesmond9595 I see what you did there Mary! I guess that whatever word sounds better, that's the one that will be used.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@ricksadler797 Not quite. A motor can be vacuum powered, air powered, even liquid powered. A motor is tethered to an outside power source, an engine burns fuel for power.
@edwardallan197
@edwardallan197 7 ай бұрын
Fascinating knowledge.... 😊
@tombrown1898
@tombrown1898 2 жыл бұрын
The first car I can remember was our 1952 Chevrolet Deluxe two-door StyleLine sedan, the "Gray Chevrolet." It ran faultlessly for 156,000 miles, until it threw a rod. Three days of mourning followed. The Stove bolt 6 couldn't be beaten!
@elizabethcarlson1321
@elizabethcarlson1321 2 жыл бұрын
I love the stovebolt engines. We have a 261 in our 1956 Chevrolet 6400 2 ton truck. Great motor, and very heavy crank and rods vs. the 235.
@stevebyrne4235
@stevebyrne4235 2 жыл бұрын
The in-line 6 is a brilliant design and not surprising to find in Jags, BMWs, Supras.
@prevost8686
@prevost8686 2 жыл бұрын
6 in a row ready to tow: 8 in a V you sit down to pee…
@jazzvictrola7104
@jazzvictrola7104 2 жыл бұрын
Nice discussion! Can't hear the Stovebolt 6? Wait until you're going 60 with that 4:11 axle! I don't understand why GM never used overdrive until '55 in Chevy.
@ironcladranchandforge7292
@ironcladranchandforge7292 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, they are a great engine. I have a 235 in my restored 1960 Chevy Apache pickup. It runs like a well oiled sewing machine. It keeps up with highway traffic just fine too. Don't forget about the GM 250 and especially the 292. The 292 IL 6 is one torquay engine!! Thanks for featuring the GM line of Stovebolt engines, my favorite!!
@timothykeith1367
@timothykeith1367 2 жыл бұрын
I once worked in a GM Truck and Coach plant on the outskirts of Pontiac Michigan where the brown UPS trucks were built - in those years all had the 292.
@wasd782
@wasd782 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 60 apache with a 235 as well. Agree with what you had to say. I have a video of it on my channel.
@ironcladranchandforge7292
@ironcladranchandforge7292 2 жыл бұрын
@@wasd782 -- Oh cool!! This afternoon I'll watch your video. I need to make a video of my truck as well. I'm just waiting for winter to end. It's hibernating at the moment, LOL......
@byronh60
@byronh60 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your discussion on the Stove Bolt Six! I have always preferred 6-cyl engines and they don’t always get the respect they should. I’ve owned many, many 6-cyl vehicles with both straight sixes and V-6’s. Even my newer, daily driver Ram 1500 I purchased has the V-6 and love it.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
I like Straight 6s - my 73 GMC is a 6 cyl, but never really like V6s. They resonate at certain RPM, causing body panels to buzz.
@rondpert5167
@rondpert5167 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 70's I had a 1955 Chevy with the 235 six. A friend had a Toyota Land Cruiser. The engines looked identical. I'd swear that if it wasn't for the fact that the Toyota was metric, you could interchange parts.
@leukostad1592
@leukostad1592 Жыл бұрын
Motors/ engines... it's fine by me! Thanks for giving some information on classic 6 cylinder engines.
@mattcrooke8321
@mattcrooke8321 2 жыл бұрын
As ever, your videos are absolutely superb. The level of detail is first class. Regarding the engine/motor thing. I’m guessing that was a fellow Brit who didn’t like the term ‘motor’ being used. While it does sound strange using ‘motor’ to describe a car engine to British ears, why someone would even point that out is beyond me. So if they were from the same small piece of rock as me, I apologise!!! Keep doing what you’re doing, we love it! 🇬🇧🇺🇸🇬🇧
@jeffrykopis5468
@jeffrykopis5468 2 жыл бұрын
I've had 4 Mavericks, a Falcon, and a Fairmont. One was a 250-6, the rest were all 200's. All were durable, dependable, economical, smooth running cars. Just slow as hell, except for the 250. And the integral head/manifold casting made them difficult to modify. The big 240 and 300 truck and industrial engines were gems, especially the '90s EFI versions. I've also had a D100 truck and 64 Dodge 330 sedan, with 225 Slant 6s, and a wonderful 63 Valiant with a silky smooth 170. All were as quiet and smooth as an electric fan. Peppy too.
@tacoheadmakenzie9311
@tacoheadmakenzie9311 2 жыл бұрын
I remember that Offenhauser sold a triple carb intake manifold for the Ford 200 cylinder head. You bored two more holes in the stock manifold with a hole saw, and then clamped the aftermarket intake on top of it.
@jeffrykopis5468
@jeffrykopis5468 2 жыл бұрын
@@tacoheadmakenzie9311 I've heard about that but never seen one.
@jimbo3214
@jimbo3214 2 жыл бұрын
The AMC 258 ci engine was one of the best 6 cylinders. Have one in a 1974 Jeep J10 and is was still running fine 48 years and 135,000 miles later.
@WydGlydJim
@WydGlydJim 2 жыл бұрын
I luv it when at a car show, someone will have say a beautiful Chevrolet Fleetline….maybe a ‘48, and it is not about power but how silent it can be. They start the car, and the starter is engaged for just a millisecond I mean the instant it hits the flywheel, it throws the engine into a running condition, and then it is just dead silent….not a hint of movement under the hood, and a just sweet almost imperceptible exhaust note. 😍
@solemandd67
@solemandd67 2 жыл бұрын
An older gentleman in my neighborhood has a Sky Blue and White '54 Bel-Air 4 door Sedan that looks showroom new. It sits next to a newer Impala. He's gotta be in his 70's or 80's. Starched shirts, dress pants and polished shoes topped with a fedora. On clear days I see him driving around to our sandwich shop etc. I've seen it parked at our local bingo hall on Saturdays. Bet it has a Stovebolt Six. I have a soft spot for C1 Vette's, especially in Pennant Blue. Although 55's had a V8 and option, the Stovebolt would suit me just fine. Great review.
@jittychitty
@jittychitty Жыл бұрын
I love the might slant six... super rugged!
@lars277
@lars277 2 жыл бұрын
I have owned MANY Stovebolt Chevy sixes in my 67 years. The babbit bearing ones, that would be pre 1954 are really not that good. I would say the oil pumped pressure post 1954 sixes are good. Too many inherent problems with bad oiling with the early pre 1954 engines. I would agree that they are very smooth and run like a sewing machine when properly maintained and tuned.
@mdogg1604
@mdogg1604 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. '49 Chev 216 here; still runs good, but if it shoots craps how sweet would a 235, or better yet, a 261 be?
@joed5472
@joed5472 2 жыл бұрын
They didn't like high Tom's either cast iron pistons didnt help either.the flat head Chrysler was a better engine at the time
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 2 жыл бұрын
The pre 54 ones would last IF you didn't push them too hard. The 54 up was much better.
@michaelbenardo5695
@michaelbenardo5695 2 жыл бұрын
53 for those with PG, and of course, the Corvette.
@mickgibson370
@mickgibson370 2 жыл бұрын
@@mdogg1604 Or better yet 292! I have seen them racing.
@scottking4931
@scottking4931 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video on the straight 6. I always knew they were great engines. ……. Adam……..were the 70’s -80’s 250 CU straight 6 part of the Stovebolt engines. I know some of my friends got well over 300k on the 250. They were in Chevy trucks as well. Being for NJ and having boats at the Jersey shore these Chevy straight 6’s are desired for restoring classic boats as well.
@RareClassicCars
@RareClassicCars 2 жыл бұрын
They were not. Good engines too.
@davidpistek6241
@davidpistek6241 2 жыл бұрын
I was about to ask this question, 78 nova was slow but reliable and easy to work on
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 Жыл бұрын
Had a ‘74 (No-Go) Nova with a long, 250-6 engine…. It did ok, as long as you weren’t in a big hurry.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
Some people call the 3rd generation Chevy 6 a Stovebolt - I do - but others do not and insist that it isn't a Stovebolt.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@dennisyoung4631 A shorter-geared rear end would have perked it up!
@chrishensley6745
@chrishensley6745 2 жыл бұрын
I agree,I am still running/driving a 59 Apache 1/2 ton with the 235 6 in it.....smooth as silk,here in East Tn.alot of older cars/trucks are still on the road here and you see what really last.
@67marlins
@67marlins 2 жыл бұрын
To back-up your comment about your beautiful1959 Canadian Pontiac, ....I once read an automotive magazine's test drive of a new 1961 Plymouth full-size sedan with the then relatively-new 'Slant-Six'. A 225 cubic inch engine powering a big Plymouth, possibly even the heavier Fury, with no complaints. The passengers all commented that they didn't realize the car was a six-cylinder. So many full-size American sedans were perfectly well-balanced in power & economy by a good six cylinder.
@henryostman5740
@henryostman5740 2 жыл бұрын
The 261 version used in trucks in the USA was a bit different than the 235. Chevy engines were siamesed, cylinders were in groups of two sharing a common wall, in the 261 this was drilled to provide a cooling passage between them, it had a full flow oil filter vs a by-pass filter, and an oil cooler, I believe it was cammed for more torque as well. I would bet this could give a smallblock v8 a run on torque and probably with a bigger carb probably equal the HP. Corvettes were fiberglass body on chassis, this is not particularly light for a small vehicle. I learned to drive on a '50 chevy with three on the tree, it was an ex taxi and had a lot of miles, this wasn't a blue flame engine but a blue smoke engine! Filler her up! Ten gallons of gas and a quart of oil. I think the 'normal' oil pressure was like 15 psi, no oil filter.
@davedavis775
@davedavis775 2 жыл бұрын
Being a Corvette guy I do like the early Corvettes with the blue flame six. So very cool and automotive history. There was a case of a 53 , 54, or 55 that was missing its original 6. Then many years later the original 6 was re installed back into the Corvette. You generally don't see that happen with the V8 Corvettes especially the higher horsepower versions. Those 6's are very durable .
@tigre7739
@tigre7739 2 жыл бұрын
Cool stuff 😎. 👍
@hambonerodriguez4163
@hambonerodriguez4163 2 жыл бұрын
The simple format works. Your knowledge is interesting, just share it.
@kevinjansen2738
@kevinjansen2738 2 жыл бұрын
My uncle has a 1958 Pontiac strati chief with a 261. It is mint condition and it runs so smooth and quite at car shows that we always tease him and ask him to rev it up so we can hear it. PS I am a new sub. Live in Canada and own a 78 firebird and a 69 Pontiac custom S convertible
@scottsardinha1360
@scottsardinha1360 2 жыл бұрын
I own a 1953 Chevrolet Bel-Air. The 235 Blue flame is exactly what you said. This car has 70,000 and I have Camaro's and a Street rod, but this 53 Bel-Air is like driving your couch. It's comfortable, it's roomy, and it's an amazing driving experience. Hands down my most favorite driver. Thanks Adam for the video!!
@tootsie5052
@tootsie5052 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a '53 Bel-Air hardtop in 1968, light green with a dark green roof and low miles on it. It was a beautiful car inside and out. Took a turn much too fast, too much to drink, and wound up on some guys porch.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
And unlike the 55, it rides well.
@larrymcgraw8469
@larrymcgraw8469 2 жыл бұрын
Had a 53 coupe in college and it was reliable. The Chevy engine was used in trucks by all sides in WWII. Chevrolet in USA, Bedford in UK, Opel in Germany and I think Toyota in Japan. Parts were the same in the Chevy, Bedford and Opel engines and transmissions. General Motors owned Opel and Bedford and Japan bought a license to make the engine before 1939 and changed dimensions to enable metric tooling so those were odd for parts. Good series of videos.
@Jeff_Pendleton
@Jeff_Pendleton 2 жыл бұрын
Had a 216 in my 48 Chevy Fleetline when I was 16. Worked with a friend of my dad’s to overhaul it, new babbitt bearings and all. Great fun and a good engine.
@glennso47
@glennso47 2 жыл бұрын
The Chevy cars in the 1940s had a feature called “vacuum shift.”Do you recall that on your 48 Chevy? I don’t know what the purpose of it was. Anyone? They also had vacuum operated windshield wiper that would stop running when you accelerated. I remember that my folks had a 48 Chevy that would do that. 😵‍💫 Was rather annoying when you were driving in wet weather. I believe that they had those wipers until at least the late 50s when they finally changed to the electric wipers.
@Jeff_Pendleton
@Jeff_Pendleton 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennso47 ​ Yes, I had that on my Fleetline Aero Sedan. It was really neat. It had a vacuum operated servo that assisted the movement of the shift lever (3-on-the-tree) from gear to gear. When working properly just the slightest pressure of a finger moved the lever. Mine must have had old leaky diaphragms or seals. It worked pretty well if I kept the unit soaked down with WD-40. Left dry, it was hard to shift. I was a kid and had no money to fix it. WD-40 was cheap.
@jamesbosworth4191
@jamesbosworth4191 10 ай бұрын
@@glennso47 You needed the optional double-action fuel pump with vacuum wipers. It was standard on the better cars - Cadillac, Buick, Lincoln, Packard, maybe the Olds 98.
@bretfisher7286
@bretfisher7286 11 ай бұрын
My first car was a '62 Chevy station wagon with the 235 stove bolt six and three on the tree. It was a fraud sold to me by my scandalous brother in law for $50-- a fraud because while it ran and ran very smoothly, the rings were gone and it belched sky blue smoke like a coal ship, and he knew it to be the case. But-- but-- I'll never forget how incredibly smooth the engine was. Like an electric motor. That was a fun thing, my first car. It had no paint left on the roof. It had been sky blue, but went to light rust. I'd wash it and use Comet on the roof.
@georgedejesus6929
@georgedejesus6929 2 жыл бұрын
At around 5:18 that is my 1957 261 in line six cylinder motor from my Canadian built 1957 Pontiac that is flashed on there. I have always loved in line six GM motors and have owned many over the years since 1977. Thank you for considering my 261 six good enough for your ditty. Cheers.
@olivemcrae9566
@olivemcrae9566 5 ай бұрын
I was raised with a 2 door 1957 Pontiac with a 261 engine. Was told that dirt track racers loved the 261 in 6 cyl classes for their durability.
@mdogg1604
@mdogg1604 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Very nice presentation. I'm a new subscriber! Matt. ('49 Chev 216)
@gregoryclemen1870
@gregoryclemen1870 2 жыл бұрын
I still have my first car that I bought in 1978, and that is a "CHEVY BELL AIR" with a 230 cid inline 6 (" HI THRIFT"), and 2 speed "POWERGLIDE" transmission ( matching numbers). that has been the most reliable car that I ever owned. this engine would be the 3rd generation inline 6( not considered a STOVEBOLT ENGINE) the other nice thing about this engine is you can get to everything on it, it is a mechanics dream to work on!!!!!
@charlesgabel995
@charlesgabel995 2 жыл бұрын
I got the 235 in my 55 210 with a 3 seed over drive. It is not silent running due to solid lifter cam shaft. The engine runs well and has adequate power.
@andrepienaar6459
@andrepienaar6459 2 жыл бұрын
In South Africa the GM products were powered by the 3800cc and 4100cc engines. They were very reliable and a joy to drive. Some people at the time transplanted them into Land Rover jeeps. We also had a 2500cc engine, which was a chopped version of the six, with 4 cylinders.
@audieconrad8995
@audieconrad8995 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting discussion! Straight sixes have a legacy in the American automotive story. 300 Ford, 258 AMC, 225 Chrysler to name few - and of course the ones mentioned here.
@audieconrad8995
@audieconrad8995 2 жыл бұрын
@cockyhemi yup...yessir.👊
@luisvelasco316
@luisvelasco316 2 жыл бұрын
@cockyhemi My girlfriend's father bought a new 4-door pickup with the 300cid Ford 6. I questioned him why he didn't get a 302 or 351 V8 and he told me he didn't care how fast he got there; he wanted to know he'd get there reliably for many years.
@g2skinny
@g2skinny 2 жыл бұрын
Great video dude new subscriber love the channel I know exactly what you are talking about mechanic 25 yrs
@SpecialAgentJamesAki
@SpecialAgentJamesAki 2 жыл бұрын
All engines are motors not all motors are engines! You were correct in your terminology.
@knitterscheidt
@knitterscheidt 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, the first car I remember as a child was a 56 Belair, it had an automatic so I assume the 235 engine. Then dad bought a new Belair in 64, also automatic and I remember telling him it sounded louder, louder valve taps and a kind of whine when it revved, my imagination? so he said. The ALT light came on on the drive home from the dealer so they came out and slapped on a new one. The first year for alternators? It lasted and ran strong until 72 when it was traded for a new Delta 88...eat your heart out buddy.
@DejaView
@DejaView 2 жыл бұрын
1963 Would be the 1st year for Delcotron "diode-rectified generator" (i.e., alternator), with supposedly the exception of '62s with factory A/C. There should be documentation for that somewhere but I recall being at a show a few yrs back & a fellow with a beautiful red '62 Impala convertible, just a base 283/Powerglide car told us the judges were going to deduct points because he had "switched" to an alternator from the factory-correct generator. He told them to go back & check their books. He had a, rare for '62, factory air conditioned convertible! He said they checked & found that, indeed, factory A/C car would have an alternator in '62. Even they were surprised...
@RK57AZ
@RK57AZ 2 жыл бұрын
My early years were spent riding in a 53 Chevy Belair with a 235 and a 62 Chevy C10 with a 235 before we graduated to a 67 Chevy C10 with a 283 V8 2 barrel. Great easy to maintain engines. The 2 things I didn’t like about them was the oil bath air cleaner and the canister oil filter that had to be drained using a suction pump. Kept the 53 for 14 years and the 62 for 12 years. They never broke down once!
@tomtheplummer7322
@tomtheplummer7322 2 жыл бұрын
Though this is a car guy channel, In the 60’s GMC made some interesting V6’s for light and medium duty trucks. Not exceptional horsepower but good torque. They were relatively robust and durable.
@vet-7174
@vet-7174 2 жыл бұрын
They made a one piece V12 as well .
@OscarGarcia-sk8px
@OscarGarcia-sk8px 2 жыл бұрын
Before the V6 GMC had a straight 6 which was supposedly more robust than the Chevy.
@stevebyrne4235
@stevebyrne4235 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed most the 250 short block with the OHC setup and the 4V carb, AKA The Sprint
@stevencarter385
@stevencarter385 10 ай бұрын
The first car I drove at around 11 or 12 was a '61 four door Biscayne with a 235 and three on the tree. Been hooked on cars both slow and fast ever since, but very few have had the liquid smoothness of that straight six.
@genemartin6962
@genemartin6962 2 жыл бұрын
Please do a series on the Mighty Leaning Tower of Power....the Slant Six Dodge. One of, if not THE, most reliable engine ever built in the USA..The 216 powered my first car a 1950 Chevy. Great engine.
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