Best CBT Bike | ZERO S/SUPER SOCO TCMax/NIU NGT
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If you're looking for your first bike, or a fun little commuter, is it worth looking at electric power? And if so what are your options?
The Vespa alternative from Niu?
The standard 125cc alternative from Super Soco?
Or the Mach 10 drag strip killer from Zero?
If you can part with the cash and you have the experience then by all means go for the Zero. But If you're looking for something a little more affordable to learn on then Super Soco would be my choice.
And if all you want to do is trot through town at modest speed then a zippy little scooter works just fine.
If you want any additional information, for all things electric, check out the English Electric Motor Co website.
www.englishelectricmotorco.com/
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@ccomspinanutshell4449 Жыл бұрын
Had a zero S for a year now. Most fun I’ve ever had on a Motorcycle! Absolutely love it
@CrissaKentavr 3 жыл бұрын
Zero S was my first bike and it's a perfect first bike. You can set the throttle to whatever limits your skill has, and limit the top speed, too. It has enough power that you're not lost in traffic, but not so much that you'll yeet yourself into cross traffic. It's a real bike with just as much power as the gas bikes in the class.
@CatHarington 3 жыл бұрын
Love the decals
@keithshwalbe6981 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent job of making quick, relevant and informative reviews. thank you. I'm pleased to have come across your channel.
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@1montoma 4 жыл бұрын
Good work bro, thanks a lot
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Ematuresco 3 жыл бұрын
@@RarefiedRoad Man I've looked for such a video for ages ! Could you please tell me from the riding experience between the NGT, the TC and TC Max - how they felt driving compared to each other ? I'm trying to deciede which one to buy, of course with the faster ones there s a new license to be baught, too...
@NemoEUC 4 жыл бұрын
Availability for ppl who live in the US: NIU NGT might be coming to San Diego. Might be a great commuter scooter. Sells for $4600 USD. Super Soco TC Max, bloody hard to get one shipped over here, still looking. Zero, well, there's a dealership right down the street.
@yannickverlinden4009 4 жыл бұрын
Good review
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@timredfern1282 4 жыл бұрын
Great video very informative 👍🇬🇧
@bonsan9059 3 жыл бұрын
Super soco only had about 50%....that makes a BIG difference to performance, try it with 100% or a higher charge next time and see how it goes ;)
@peterwilliamson4296 3 жыл бұрын
I think the Zero bikes are in a different class altogether which others can aspire to. In regards the other bikes, hill climbing data is a biggie unless flat road use is intended. Cheers
@123mirc 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The hill climbing abilities of any of these bikes, beside the Zero S, are a big drawback. I wanted really bad a Super Soco or a Horwin (similar to the NIU), but those just cannot climb hills as good. Maybe my choice will be a Sur Ron, but time will tell. These electric dirt bikes are a good alternative, if you live in a city which has a lot of hills.
@kemalcitil9173 3 жыл бұрын
Dude i like your gloves. Where can i buy it? Can you tell me the brand, thanks..
@francocarlos9031 4 жыл бұрын
Super soco é linda ! É a melhor de Todas
@manuellreload 4 жыл бұрын
@Jo Fe €20000 si puedes pagar bien por ti.
@robbikebob 4 жыл бұрын
I like the S, but, like you say, at 17 I would have DEFINITELY crashed that in very short order. When I started riding I came off 3 times in 2 months but was always going slow enough to walk away. I wouldn't have seen the week out on this! And now I've been riding for 28 years, when I slow down, muscle memory pulls the clutch in. Not a problem if it's not there. A huge problem if it's the rear brake!
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah luckily the controls are like they would be on a petrol bike so you won't accidentally pull the brake, but that power means you would have been coming off at much higher speeds so it's good these weren't available when you passed otherwise you might not still be with us.
@robbikebob 4 жыл бұрын
@@RarefiedRoad oh, I tried very hard to kill myself up to my mid twenties but then falling off was becoming too painful and expensive so I decided to try staying on my bike after that!
@ianhobie123 3 жыл бұрын
@@RarefiedRoad nonsense more power does not mean more speed unless you're an idiot. We've enough damn nanny state inteference as it is. I used to ride a gpz 750 when i was in my teens, never did any tests back then just got in the bastard and went out, then again it wasn't a pussy ass millenial feminised world then and people had more independant common sense and derring-do.
@CrissaKentavr 3 жыл бұрын
@@ianhobie123 Even more, a Zero lets you change how sensitive the throttle is. There's a little mode button to select it on the fly and an app to set custom settings. You can change the top speed, too.
@jenskalsen6648 2 ай бұрын
I found a 2020 tc max that im Think of buying, would your cable and plugs fit that and how would the parameters be compared to the ones in your video? Would i be able to do 100km/h down the freeway? Last whats your web address? Best regards Jens
@madriderganstar 4 жыл бұрын
For the price of the bike is ridiculous but thinking about it you dont have to pay for petrol what is costing more every year. but the real question how much would it be to insure it?
@churcher8334 4 жыл бұрын
Over a thousand a year. I've looked into it. 47yrs old ridden all my life commute wise so L plate all the time. Its cheaper by half to go and do the full license. And by a second hand r1
@instars2027 4 жыл бұрын
Review Horwin F60 please
@renynzea 4 жыл бұрын
I started on a Zero S. Put it in custom mode and turned the torque all the way down. It was easy to learn on due to the lack of a clutch and the smoothness of the throttle. Then over the first couple of months I ramped the torque back up. Can take slow speed drops like a champ. Range is 100 miles, on average, and the brakes are no joke. The ABS is flawless and saved my bacon a few times. Only downside is cost and service. If the electronics go out you may have trouble getting one fixed. Dealership had to crate mine back to Zero, and I have no idea when I'll get it back. Or how much it will cost to have it repaired.
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Useful consumer experience thank you. Sorry to hear about the hastle getting it fixed. I think that's one of the only big draw backs for me at the moment, I'd hate to be in the same position waiting for it to be shipped back fixed. Hopefully the mechanical support improves in the future, there probably aren't that many mainstream mechanics around to fix them at the moment.
@samphillips3405 4 жыл бұрын
Did my CBT last Monday and my 2020 Zero S gets delivered next week 🤣😁
@renynzea 4 жыл бұрын
@@samphillips3405 Word of advice on charging your Zero: Unplug it at your earliest convenience once it has finished charging to minimize the risk of something happening to the on-board charger and battery. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine.
@samphillips3405 4 жыл бұрын
@@renynzea thanks mate. My commute is only 5 miles each way so I'll most likely only charge it once a week - did you get the 14.4 battery? How long did it last on a long higher speed journey?
@renynzea 4 жыл бұрын
@@samphillips3405 Yeah, I got the 14.4 battery, and I get around 90-100 miles of range at 50 mph. My normal commute is around 35 miles, both ways. I end up with about 60-62% remaining each day, but I hit stretches where I go closer to 60 mph, and I keep it in sport mode and use the torque aggressively. I'm also a fatty, so I am sure it decreases my range somewhat. The lowest I have ever gotten the battery to was around 20% after doing weekend rides. Don't remember the range. I'm 6'1" and while I find the bike comfortable for up to an hour, after about 1.5 hours I start to get cramps. So I am done before the battery is.
@karlosh9286 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think ABS is required on A1 bikes and below. A2 and above yes, it's the law on new bikes. I also might be correct in thinking that A1 bikes and below need to have linked braking so when you apply the front it does a little bit on the rear.
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
I think you're right actually, or at least I've seen linked braking on a few other 125cc bikes.
@Crashed131963 4 жыл бұрын
.I would not need more than 20 miles range max for where I would go. Do I need the battery under the eat of the HUI NGT? I would rather have the storage,
@zerocool6452 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to go faster than 45 km/h (28 mph) than you need the two batteries. It will restrict itself to 45 km/h if you only have one of them.
@shaunremekie5111 4 жыл бұрын
I'm torn between the Zero S and TC Max. Zero S seems more premium, not to mention it has a bit more power/speed if the need arises. I'm not big on going too fast though as I'm not a fearless teen but a terrified adult in my 30s. The TC Max trumps the Zero for me in the charging department, I'd hate to be riding around London looking for charge points, with the TC, I can simply charge the battery in my apartment or at the office. Speed & Power (Zero S) vs Practicality & Approachability (TC Max)
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah there's a big price difference too. Honestly I'd try and get a test ride on them to see which one you prefer. If I was using it a lot I'd want the Zero I think, but as a simple little 30 minute commute instead of cycling the TC max will be fine.
@thethe9036 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve tried both of them, and each have their own benefits. The Zero’s back brake is operated by foot like a normal bike, whereas the TC Max break is where the clutch normally is. You don’t have to buy the fast charge option with the Zero, which means you can charge it with a three pin plug just like with the TC Max. For long-distance riding, the fast charge option is essential. The Zero is absolutely the more premium bike, and feels much nicer to ride. The batteries for both models are heavy, and I wouldn’t want to lug them around for long. If you get a chance, take a day trip to Suffolk at English Electric Motor co, and Alec will let you test any of the bikes you like for a few hours (or pay to have them brought to you). I can’t recommend this place highly enough.
@CrissaKentavr 3 жыл бұрын
The Zero X can have a removable battery (and ridden on a CBT) but battery lugging sucks. The new scooters with the airport luggage style batteries are better for that.
@Labgorilla 3 жыл бұрын
The zero is the best. But the price just doesn’t work. Soco, has a much better price point but so little power that they are useless out of town. There has to be a middle ground but it seems that no one has solved that issue. So for now, I keep going on my little cbf125.
@awwtergirl7040 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure why electric "kickscooters" are blasting these electric ride on scooters. Faster to 30 and with top speeds approaching 80mph.
@esk8jaimes 4 жыл бұрын
You should review the Super Soco TC too, has a larger range but limited to 30/45mph. (50cc class)
@First_Principals 4 жыл бұрын
If they could make a 3 wheel bike similar to the piaggio mp3 it would be a game changer.
@TheHawkRicky 4 жыл бұрын
You can get them
@evilkh3990 3 жыл бұрын
I think Nui is about to.
@andydawson2070 4 жыл бұрын
Lovely bikes but oh my, the prices.
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
I know, still a tad steep for me at the minute but they will come down.
@energiewender143 4 жыл бұрын
Well, you will miss the smell, the noise, and the cost for service, repairs and fuel as well.
@pittzhu7785 3 жыл бұрын
We have YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V36AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V48AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC-60V57.6AH, YY-PACK-SOCO-TS/TC- 60V60AH Lithium battery for SOCO.
@RickySimpkin 3 жыл бұрын
Any idea where I can get super soco in Newcastle, and will a dealership down south deliver, thanks in advance
@RarefiedRoad 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know about local dealers but I know the English Electric Motor company do supply throughout the UK and even if they can't get it out to you they will know who to contact. They'd be my first port of call.
@dhbee1254 3 жыл бұрын
Just wondering if you found any local dealers up Newcastle I'm looking for a zero fxs in the same area
@RickySimpkin 3 жыл бұрын
@@dhbee1254 I found a place near york. Maintainence put me off. Can't remember the name unfortunately
@dhbee1254 3 жыл бұрын
@@RickySimpkin no problem thanks anyways mate
@davyhoogy 2 жыл бұрын
@@dhbee1254 did you find one? I’m in Sunderland but looking at an FXE in Peterborough
@kevinkrystofiak4483 4 жыл бұрын
What is the actual range you can reach on the TC max in real conditions?
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
There website lists it pretty well at 60 miles riding at 30mph consistently for a person weighing 75kg I'd say they're probably pretty accurate with that.
@kevinkrystofiak1745 4 жыл бұрын
@@RarefiedRoad thx!
@Thechist781 Жыл бұрын
I can see scooter suspension is kind of rough 😊
@Mybwain 4 жыл бұрын
I doubt there will be many irresponsible cbt riders dropping 9 grand on a bike.
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
That's true.
@Ruikesan 3 жыл бұрын
Those auto generated closed captions are having a hard time especially when you "pop in setting 3" on the Soco.
@marko7969 2 жыл бұрын
Super soaker 😂
@keithreeder 3 жыл бұрын
How many CBT riders are going to shell out £13k for a bike? _Grown ups._
@RarefiedRoad 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah probably not many. Pretty much all electric bikes carry a hefty price tag
@quak7385 4 жыл бұрын
recommend for a first bike?
@weko6273 4 жыл бұрын
The super soco and the niu, heck yes The zero, well nobody can stop you buying it as your first bike, but be fucking carefull man, I'd suggest trying a friend's moped first if you know anyone
@Jafmanz 3 жыл бұрын
@@weko6273 a moped will help a lot... NOT.
@benncraftz3303 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jafmanz yeah a moped is nowhere near best bets is to to get a test ride on a zero and customize the max speed and stuff then slowly increase it and get used to where everything is
@mrmoon1482 2 жыл бұрын
A 4 valve liquid cooled 125! Does over 70mph with a range of over 200 miles, Definitely can not compare the soco
@Raphael_Chpl 2 жыл бұрын
Zero S expensive but the best
@Martynuxsz 4 жыл бұрын
Great video but you should have watched it yourself before posting - there are a lot of information inconsistencies.
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
By a lot you mean where specifically? Believe it or not I do watch them through a lot when editing but little things slip through here and there, apologies. The super soco range was given to me on the test day at around 40-50 miles from the guys running the event but we mixed the figures from the standard TC model I think, which has a smaller battery. The piece I recorded after the fact was based on the info from their site so it's manufacturers figures which will be more accurate.
@Saj123 4 жыл бұрын
the lambo is a gallardo not an adventodor
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@motobikemadness 3 жыл бұрын
Is it legal to have your L PLATE above the number plate,
@darrenrogers2067 2 жыл бұрын
its not insane speed. tzr, nsr 125cc 2 stroke do 100mph and have powerbands in all gears. since 4stroke engines appeared. speed was lost.
@topikinnunen2293 4 жыл бұрын
where can i get my cbt licence 😳😳🥴💦
@Niggleblade1986 3 жыл бұрын
🤦🏾♂️
@JB-Voices 4 жыл бұрын
luckily the zero s is expensive enough that people with a cbt license probably won't have the funds to buy this bike
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Fair
@skitzoid8202 4 жыл бұрын
3:38 that's not an Aventador. That's a Gallardo
@Space_Equestrian Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah! I've always been looking for the best cock and balls turture bikes
@esk8jaimes 4 жыл бұрын
4:18 Super Soco TC-Max
@matthijsvanemous7046 2 жыл бұрын
zero s is best...but most expensive
@johntray1462 4 жыл бұрын
I'm 47 years old with three years no claims. Have cbt. No bad living area. I'm paying 23 pounds a month insurance. I've just done an insurance company site. Not a single company will touch me with zero s. Gutted
@RarefiedRoad 4 жыл бұрын
Wow that's rough.
@tylerbirks4957 4 жыл бұрын
So does this mean a 17 year old could ride this?
@tylerbirks4957 4 жыл бұрын
The zero S
@ataru4 4 жыл бұрын
@@tylerbirks4957 Yes a 17 yr old with a CBT can ride the 11kw version Zero S. Although it would have to be a rich 17 yr old considering the price
@Jafmanz 3 жыл бұрын
I know this might be pedantic but you keep stating 'CBT license' There is no such thing. It's a provisional license. CBT is training. I know you know that too. Forgive me.
@harrier331 4 жыл бұрын
Please stop saying licence, a CBT is not a licence.
@Jafmanz 3 жыл бұрын
@No name No surname Or a full driving license...
@jankiejank9857 4 жыл бұрын
why are u riding on the wrong side of the road bro?
@zerocool6452 4 жыл бұрын
Because that country uses the wrong side to drive on where almost everyone else uses the right lane.
@bbusigful 4 жыл бұрын
Scooters are cool but...them colors are 🤢
@CrissaKentavr 3 жыл бұрын
That's the dealer's custom wrap.
@pawelek2129 4 жыл бұрын
4500£ for what? OmG.!!! Wher you work to pay 4500 for bike best for all is Honda cbf 125 and yamaha YBR125 it use 3l petrol for 100km/62miles and its going on the full tank 400km/240miles also is going 60mil/h all the time until some uphill price good 125cc is 1500£ good speed with servicing and fixing if something fail or any electrical error no garages to fix it propobly for parts you waiting month
@CrissaKentavr 3 жыл бұрын
Few garages can fix an import 125, either. But you can fix a Zero.
@SR.85. 4 жыл бұрын
Stop talking nonsense! It is dangerous only having 15bhp, when overtaking it takes ages. I am 35 on a cbt and have more experience than most, been riding a bike since I was 7 years old. I will be getting the 14.2kW.
@r.blacky341 4 жыл бұрын
A 125ccm is a real bike for long driving fun! E"Bikes" for very short way/time and no fun!!! 125 ccm live 20-50 years!! a "E-Bike 1-5 years!? real biker never drive "E-bike"!!!!!
@Incaka100 4 жыл бұрын
20-50 años una moto de combustión,nunca!.Las baterías se pueden degradar en 5 años el motor es casi eterno comparándolo con una moto de combustión.
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