Does the 10r have music sharing?

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We knew about the unit in advance since we have the ability to sell it. We have the same feedback to them that we didn’t think it was the right move but they are their own company. Coming out with an iffy unit like that doesn’t deter their other units from being great for riders. If you think so that’s fine, but my Edge is still pretty dope

Moralists, chasing ghosts.......................on their smartphones where the materials for the circuit boards that are in their computers/phones were strip mined and later sorted through by Chinese children working 16 hour days, with nets around building that they work. Never ever underestimate what people will say/do to feel powerful. "I'LL SHOW CARDO SOMETHING! I WON'T BUY IT!!!!1111oneoneone111one!" Congrats.

I have the Freecom 4+ and ride with Cardo friends. This video made me lookup their new offerings incase there were any features I want (mainly I want to be able to hear 2 Bluetooth devices at the same time, no cut outs) and then I saw their subscription rubbish. Now I need to convince everyone to jump to Senna when the time comes.... ugh

@@sirosisofliverr I have a Fairphone, so feel free to try again with your moral panic. While you're doing that, remember that no one can fight every battle, and the fact that people object to one bad practice doesn't mean they support another.

What moral panic was I talking about? I was talking about consistency. I don't need your virtue signaling ass coming in here talking about your Fairphone. Congratulations on buying AN ITEM smartly. What about your television? Tablet? Personal computer? Automobile? Any meat that you get from the grocery store? Milk? Printer paper? Oh, right. I'm wrong to point those things out as having unethical practices baked into them. After all 'I'm forced to deal with the world we live in today.' Or some crap. That's my point. We're living on a freaking landfill and you got random virtue signalers holding up a thing or two that is clean and pointing at the occasional rat company that pops up like Cardo with subscription fees that says 'look at me I'm doing something great by pointing something out!' or 'look at me I bought this clean thing.' Give me a break. 🤣

That's what I'm looking for. Just give a top teir audio quality pick.

Yes thats literally why I’m here, don’t really ride with groups.

Same here

Same

I am back, did some research, the best one fitting my style is the Cardo Neo

I do love taking calls and at some point hearing “wait, are you on your bike right now?!” Lol

Bought one of those for an occasional passenger. I think they had issues with really low sound volume at higher speeds...but I don't know how much of that was because I couldn't get them to wear earplugs.

I have one of those and a pair of the Cardo's 4x.... man the difference is insane.. you can put plug in ear sets on the cardo (better than using their excellent speakers) and since the microphone has noise cancellation, you can talk on the phone at 90mph and the other person doesnt even know you are on a bike... and you hear them crystal clear. I did a ride for 8 hours with a friend and was life changing being able to communicate clearly about any dangers or turns the road brings you.

I had good luck with the Chinese units too except they never seemed to get loud enough. It wasn't until I got a freecom 4 that I had a comfortable listening experience

I agree my friends and i bought Freedconn units, and they are actually very waterproof. We've been out in some wild storms with no issues. As well as i have received phone calls where people have no idea i'm on the highway in an open face helmet doing 60mph/100km/h because the noise cancelling is that good. Highly recommend the Freedconn R1 Plus, or Freedconn KY Pro.

@@SunyJim uh, "Freecom"

Yup, like walk-talkies of any brand can. This is entirely possible with mesh networks. I've used IEEE 802.11s meshes to connect computer systems, it's really not hard from a technical standpoint. There's no technical reason e.g. Sena and Cardo couldn't use a mixed mesh - they're just disincentivized because every sold mesh device is potentially going to lead to another mesh device sold if they lock it down. If they open it up then it'll be a race to the bottom for pricing which we'd love but they'd hate.

What helmet are you using?

The 5s is a solid unit, but if you ride with two other friends your SOL, which is why we tend to recommend the 10S. The 10 series is still Senas number one mover, most people like having the option for up to 4. Solo or 2 rider max is where the 5S is a solid solid option though

@@patrickmchugh8039 Ah, good point. Man, they just need to upgrade the 10S so badly, ha. Edit: That is not a limitation! Just checked my manual--you can do intercom pairing with up to 3 friends. (It's only 1 friend if the other unit is non-Sena.)

@@TravisTerrell yeah I tend to be testing out the latest and greatest each year, but still jealous my wife has my old 10R and it still runs strong ha

Cardo is offering an additional way to own Cardo models, it’s not like the only way to get it is with a subscription, whats the issue ?

@@patrickmchugh8039 This is old now, but I was just looking at my manual and remembered this. The 5S can actually use intercom mode with to up to 3 friends at once! The "1 friend" limitation is only if they use a different brand of headset.

😂"The best motorcycle Communist for 2023"

Did someone say free helicopter rides?

​@@TTGRainbowDash Calm down Colin McRae

@@Konformation07 I get that reference.🤣

​@@TTGRainbowDash hahah baseddd

I mean you don’t need it

Just make more money.

@stealth1077 I make a shit load of money.that doesn't mean I'm going to throw it away.

@12masterr Apparently not enough if your complaining about 3k worth of gear you'll only buy once.

@stealth1077 jajajaaaja whatever!

I own one and I like it, except sometimes it just says _"Music off"_ all the time.

Plus no competition for a cheaper / entry level Mesh only device.

Or you can try the Cardo 4x with the bells and whistles but keep in mind it’s more expensive… by $4!! Who the F cares about $239 vs $243 hahahahaha who are these people hahahaha

@@poobank Hey man! That $4 can get me................... Oh wait, $4 doesn't buy shit these days. 😂

Like they forgot the Cardo Spirit lineup exists

Unless you need low-profile, I HIGHLY recommend the Sena 5S over that. Even cheaper price, but _way_ more modern. Bluetooth 5.0, voice commands, etc. And the jog dial makes operating it with hands a dream. (Honestly they need a new low-profile model with modern features. And should discontinue the similar 10S entirely, since it's getting really old now and is outclassed by their newer stuff.)

@@JelloThatsMellow yeah I have a Spirit HD it was like $120 and it works perfectly, sure it doesnt have JBS but i can still hear my music just fine even with earplugs on

Given the history of the two brands going tic for tac on products, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sena had one planned and bagged it after seeing that launch. Or they will still launch it, who knows. Subscription base gets real hare and get people go on and buy it so companies have a double edged sword to deal with

@@patrickmchugh8039 I messaged sena directly on instagram to ask them if they were planning a similar thing and they assured me they are not. Of course take that with a grain of salt.

@@MotoActionADV lol yeah, I don’t think any rep is touching that pr-grenade

The product will fail, but not because of moralists on the YT/IG comment section. It's a poor business decision, but a dozen people here aren't making a dent in that. Tens of thousands of people will buy their products not even knowing that product exists. I know this will send these moralists into a frothing at the mouth rage, but the fact is that people buy with their wallets without checking a damned website to make sure that a company does or does not offer a subscription bullshit product in their line. If it works for them, they'll buy it. If not, they won't. It only becomes a problem when things becomes much more tight (1 out of 2 or 3 products) or when it's becomes mandatory. Until then, the moralists will have stick to writing scathing comments on social media, which will do nothing. The bottom line matters. Not you. And given that these products from both companies last for damn near a decade before needing replaced, in a stagnant motorcycling market, I would say there's very little to worry about.

Time will tell.

I've seen a few vloggers use them, but the video quality has not been on par with standard gopro setups. Not bad for dashcam use though

@@SunyJim Yeah I figured, depends on your standards too I guess :)

Yup! Buh buh buh muh charging port! Nope, it's been tested. Even with everything sealed up that unit can be destroyed, rarely by the rain, but much more so by being dropped into water, like a puddle or such.

I must be lucky. I've been using a 50s for the last 2 years and have ridden through a TON of rain, including a few heavy, long duration downpours, and I've never had a single issue. (knocks on wooden desk)

I’ve been running the Fodsports M1S Pro for a couple years and love them! Me my friend and both daughters run them.

Any. Be on a call with them

yeah! i have this, inside have a qualcomm chip for noise reduction and best signal performance, the battery is big

Sena 5s is great if you just want basic features and No comms.

The Edge is shown in the BRoll, the Neo wasn’t but they look identical other than the base.

@@patrickmchugh8039 yes but they don’t talk about em as if they might release soon or maybe are barely released when the Edge has been out for a while AND they show it in the b-roll. Kind of weird. Also has to be the only best comm video in the world to prefer Sena over Cardo

@@anathma that’s because we shot this video weeks before the latest Cardo units launched. The Edge is in there and won last years guide, the Neo and Custom from Cardo are new versions with tweaks from the Edge

@@patrickmchugh8039ah that does make sense.

On my Cardo Packtalk edge i have about 8-10 hours with constant music and talking

Yeah in real world use they are about comparable in mesh mode, 8 hours was my longest day on both and still had some juice left afterwards.

Exactly my frustration and I went for a 50s for that reason only to find out that the Sena is even worse. But not because of the volume wheel...

Also why is there no com unit design where you clip the monstrosity on your collar or jacket with magnets?

We have reviews on the sound quality on each of these units during their individual breakdown videos. This is just a general overview buying guide and TBH, these are some of the best units on the market and the sound quality is pretty much the same across all of these. Hence, why we selected them for this "best of" series.

@@RevZilla understood 👍🏻

Did you update the firmware to the latest versions?

@@RevZilla We have. We’ll try again. Thank you.

Haha right?!

If you didn't care you could also just say that too haha

use air pods

Mesh units will do that and you can prioritise speech.

Burt's mouth breathing and other noise gets filtered out as long as your device is decent enough. I have Sena 50R and when I answer a phone call, the other person can't tell I'm riding, even if I purposefully rev the engine. There's settings for noise cancellation and activation threshold specific to the intercom, too. I'd assume some of those features come with higher tier of devices.

I think its a Bell but not sure

Nope. These things have always been obnoxious walled gardens tho even before meshes. Cardo announced they were gonna make an open standard at one point but Senna immediately said they would rather not have an interoperable system so i think that project kinda died.

Sena was never involved (or maybe invited?) in that project. Project involves cardo, Uclear, midlands, and a couple other smaller brands.

@Bing Bing I mean, if it's an open and published standard it doesn't really matter who develops it. That said I'm sure they were given an invite and declined it judging by their attitude towards it's existence. It flat out does not benefit them in any way and the large downside of standards is that they tend to be constrained since additional features get wrapped up in red tape. I'm sure Senna just wasn't interested and honestly the only reason the brands that are involved care is because they really have nothing to lose compared to Senna who could be forfeiting a very large market

@@nordic-chan maybe… in the end it’s all speculation. I’m sure this “standard” would be based on Cardo DMC and not on Sena Mesh. I always thought Cardo controlled the largest market share.

Yes you can!

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You left the charging flap open?

I have an early Packtalk unit and I have to turn the comms and music down. Communicate fine with other riders at 120kph. You need to check your exhaust volume and helmet wind noise is not drowning it out.

​@TheMooresNZ the bike was a stock Triumph Street Triple. I only wear Shoei or Arai helmets and have never had issues with other bluetooth systems in previous helmets.

With my 50s the music is very low. That's something I changed in the settings. On my Freecom 4x the sound is also lower but not as low as with the Sena. You can tweak s lot by using the apps

If you check out their channel, they also have some videos saying that it is *Senna* but that they don't care if people call it *Seena* either. So if they don't care that much, neither do we.

But there is a right way and there is a wrong way. Pronouncing it as "Seena" is definitely the wrong way.

In Bluetooth but not Mesh. Mesh is not universal, yet.

Most of the top Sena and Cardo options have Music Sharing these days, so there are plenty of options. Feel free to contact our CS teams and they can walk through all the options and what else you’re looking for in the unit.

I always direct people to Sena’s own video where they say they don’t care, either is fine, and their own employees pronounce it both ways.

@Patrick McHugh regardless of how the Sena employees say it, there is still a correct way to pronounce it, and I'm pretty sure it's not Seeeeena!

@@jaspersilus yeah that’s cool, I’ll stick with saying it Seeeena though. Especially if they don’t care

@@patrickmchugh8039 I support your right to mispronounce!🍻

@@jaspersilus haha yes! As a Philly native I still swap between wooder and water. Even if I tell my brain to stop, it’ll pop up somewhere

To a hammer everything looks like a nail

@@Baleur That was meant as a joke of nothing but silliness. And I think you meant to say: "To a sickle, everything looks like grass."

They're not.

@@sirosisofliverr Why would anyone entertain the idea of one xD

@@Dan-hm1dx They may not advertise as waterproof, but I've also never had a problem with my 50s in thousands of miles of riding in the rain. If it's battery lasted longer, it would be ideal. Mine was one of the first ones bought in that line and I've heard the early units had less battery life. It's useable, but not as good as my old sena unit when it came to battery life.

@@Dan-hm1dx This is a reply I gave to someone else who asked the same question. I think why they're not is because wind is always pushing against the unit, and not allowing water to seep in anywhere, and they think that's good enough. The big difference between the two (waterproof and water-resistant) is being submersible. If your SENA unit fell in a puddle of water you'd better be scrambling to get it out of there. The Cardo stuff, less so. (But I'd still be going nuts. These things ain't cheap.) Still, the 'waterproof' is a nice little thumbs up in Cardo's lineup. 👍

They are, and they aren't trying to push a subscription to unlock basic functionality like Cardo is.