Best of ORIS 2023 - we can't agree on the Kermit!

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About Effing Time

About Effing Time

Жыл бұрын

Hands-on with the new 2023 Oris Pro Pilot X Kermit, Oris Aquis and Oris Altimeter.
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@shawngreen8505
@shawngreen8505 Жыл бұрын
Oris is hands down one of my favorite brands. I’m not a man with deep pockets and the quality and style they deliver at their price point is one of the best in the game.
@pipemartz
@pipemartz 8 ай бұрын
Same! I like it that their watches, to varying degrees, have a playful nature to their design. They are class.
@dadmodswatches
@dadmodswatches Жыл бұрын
They should have brought it out with a pink Miss Piggy version to go along with it. Make it a couples watch set lol
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🙈🙈🙈🙈
@Jessejesselewis
@Jessejesselewis Жыл бұрын
I absolutely adore the Kermit. It’s an incredibly fun watch but also a top quality watch as well. I also love the caliber 400 movement so I’m all in on this watch. A few companies tried to do “fun” watches this year but these guys hit it.
@alwayspooh1588
@alwayspooh1588 Жыл бұрын
Yep, it is nicer than the Rolex emoji and balloon dials on their OPs.
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
Exactly, so many companies try to do fun, and most fail. Oris succeeded.
@yuriichavaliuk9566
@yuriichavaliuk9566 Жыл бұрын
I bought my Oris at their boutique in Amsterdam a few years ago. Also, sometimes I just drop by to browse, and I can say that the experience and atmosphere there are uniquely enjoyable! Personnel (Harry and his son) are the nicest people I’ve ever encountered when visiting watch shops
@PaulKaiser42
@PaulKaiser42 Жыл бұрын
They have such a fun culture at Oris…love it!!
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Yep
@dubdub2657
@dubdub2657 Жыл бұрын
I do like what Oris is doing. But I think the Kermit was a bit of a let down from a design perspective. I feel like they didn’t fully commit to the fun and it’s really just a neon green dialed watch instead of a Kermit watch.
@ChrisVPlant
@ChrisVPlant Жыл бұрын
You guys are having such a blast with these videos, and we are having a blast watching them. You guys rock 🔥
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them Chris. These were great fun to make.
@BenNS1971
@BenNS1971 Жыл бұрын
Don’t like bling, but that’s bling done right. It’s tasteful
@IPAHOMEBREWER
@IPAHOMEBREWER Жыл бұрын
I've walked away from Rolex due to their waitlist games and so glad I did. I can now add several other watches like Oris, Omega, Breitling, etc. to my collection. Love Oris!
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
We do too
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
I’m with you mate. Rolex are painful. Oris is fun.
@IPAHOMEBREWER
@IPAHOMEBREWER Жыл бұрын
@@BarkandJack Agree, I am also very excited to see their newest movement. I'll be looking at one this week. 😃
@infinity2x0
@infinity2x0 Жыл бұрын
Keep up the excellent content Gentlemen! For those of us who may never get to attend an event like this, you are giving us LIFE!
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Happy to!
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching mate and hope you get to an event like this at some point. It’s good fun. 👍🏻
@infinity2x0
@infinity2x0 Жыл бұрын
@@BarkandJack That is the dream one day! Wouldn't even know where to begin looking into something like this but I know it IS good fun. Cheers and keep up the great work!
@bamfordwatchdepartment3470
@bamfordwatchdepartment3470 Жыл бұрын
You rockstar!
@oh_io.watches
@oh_io.watches Жыл бұрын
Hey guys, just want to say I've loved all the content from W&W. Life with 4 kids is making it hard to keep up with all the videos and Therapy Sessions, but I enjoy getting to them when I can! Stared into a blue Aquis dial last week at the AD, and that is an enjoyable experience to be sure!
@bamfordwatchdepartment3470
@bamfordwatchdepartment3470 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@F15ACC2001
@F15ACC2001 Жыл бұрын
I noticed as they were rolling the Kermit that the lugs are the same shape as the hands. Pretty cool design element.
@egonpax
@egonpax Жыл бұрын
I actually like the Kermit watch! I like the understated Kermit vibes. If they came out with another version with Kermit prominently on the dial, that'd be cool too.
@markj3791
@markj3791 Жыл бұрын
Great Wolf advert by Andrew 😂😂😂😂
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🤫
@flox8342
@flox8342 Жыл бұрын
I‘d totally rock the Kermit ❤ …just would love to see Oris print the origin Hölstein subtitle under the Oris branding on the dial. Would make the name/watches so much more significant!
@GU5S
@GU5S Жыл бұрын
Love this Oris Kermit. Hits the right kind of fun unlike the Rolex efforts which are frankly, bloody awful.
@oshoc01
@oshoc01 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a slightly darker central green color with the lime only as a peripheral rim or surrounding the hour marks would have looked more stunning. Anyway, if I were rich I would buy it, because the design is beautiful.
@RandyDwiPrasetyo
@RandyDwiPrasetyo Жыл бұрын
Love this trio. Keep up the great work!
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
This trio loves you!
@bamfordwatchdepartment3470
@bamfordwatchdepartment3470 Жыл бұрын
🤘
@inView-images
@inView-images Жыл бұрын
Wore this last week and it really does make you smile, find Kermit a bit small in the date window. Wife loved it and looks like I may need to purchase it for her…… well done Oris.
@wisamal-hakim5531
@wisamal-hakim5531 Жыл бұрын
You guys look like you’re steaming but holding it together so well. I salute you
@watchdulum
@watchdulum Жыл бұрын
For me when i saw the press release photos and coverage i really love it, had a chance to pick one up yesterday but when tried on wrist i just felt its not for me. Visibility is an issue and that just was the pain point for me.
@ericpoupier8613
@ericpoupier8613 Жыл бұрын
Super cool episode, and lovely to see ORIS! I think they are a lovely brand and are doing some great stuff (beyond the coffee on the booth... :) ). Absolutely love the new format being a bit shorter while still having the energy. And frankly amazed at the quality of the content... This is getting to be the 'Discovery channel' of watches! I guess this has Marcus' DNA in it... Anyway, Bravo to all, keep it coming. Thanks to you my watch budget is exploding and my wife worries about the number of watch winders i own... :)
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome ! Thanks for being part of it
@lemmontree1
@lemmontree1 Жыл бұрын
Love the Kermit the way it is, awesome color, please no comic figures on the dial, once a month as a date is enough. Would have bought it even without the frog. The metallic color is just so good.
@keefw361
@keefw361 Жыл бұрын
I love how Ralf left one them hanging with a high 5 at the end 😅
@billmuir4897
@billmuir4897 Жыл бұрын
Lime Green Trainers George; you’re a Tart if the first order! Nearly steals Oris’s thunder 😂
@rhgrabowski3855
@rhgrabowski3855 Жыл бұрын
Can't help but smile when watching this video. Agree with George, you have to smile about life! 😄
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
😊
@canadianwatchmonkey3992
@canadianwatchmonkey3992 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤ I love you guyZ ❤❤❤ Super entraining to watch the 3 of you working together and sometimes not is just awesome!!! Yes ORIS ROCKS!! The best green dial ever made goes to the limited edition Oris Aquis Hangang 😊😊😊😊
@chrissullivan268
@chrissullivan268 Жыл бұрын
Ok guys I love Oris my fav is the 65 chrono bracelet. My wife fell for the Diamond date 41.5 and we are ordering. She is hooked. Love you guys conversation on watches/timepieces. All the best from Md.
@matthewmckenney7230
@matthewmckenney7230 Жыл бұрын
Love the Kermit. When can I buy the AET winder????????
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Not long we promise!
@BenNS1971
@BenNS1971 Жыл бұрын
The altimeter is killer. Beautiful
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
It’s a beast of a watch.
@vicrod5
@vicrod5 Жыл бұрын
Always look forward to your take on the watch industry, keep up the great work!
@tarasmathers7423
@tarasmathers7423 Жыл бұрын
Great job fellas. Andrew, brother....I hate to tell you, but the Kermit did look quite good on your wrist. Oris just does everything with class.... period. Best wishes to all of you
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
I know 😞
@QXZ9027MKII
@QXZ9027MKII Жыл бұрын
Top notch guys,,, what a blast. Those overhauls from which company they look slick.
@fabiansuarez523
@fabiansuarez523 Жыл бұрын
You all three make my sunday start with a laught, and agree with George, enjoy life
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Do things that make you smile 😃
@mrbud8524
@mrbud8524 Жыл бұрын
Great video 👏
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🙌
@masterwatch
@masterwatch Жыл бұрын
the Frog 🐸 is ok, it is fun!!
@MrZanzibar123
@MrZanzibar123 Жыл бұрын
Kermit(s) and the Grouch! 😂
@benjamincarlier
@benjamincarlier Жыл бұрын
It's like you are ready for "Parcour"!!!!
@jakealexander6046
@jakealexander6046 Жыл бұрын
I love the kermit!! Since I can wear it seriously but still be a bit quirky and stunning look. But I do understand that it is not as easy to pair with clothes. So it can be the fun watch from your watch collection :)
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Sure
@mickawizza3019
@mickawizza3019 Жыл бұрын
The world needs a Captain Boring T shirt ! 😅
@sebastien6483
@sebastien6483 Жыл бұрын
"actually that looks quite good on my wrist." 🤣🤣🤣
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
😢
@sebastien6483
@sebastien6483 Жыл бұрын
@@AboutEffingTime it did look good on Andrew's wrist! I really like all the versions of that watch. The reversal is what made me laugh.
@CharlesLao
@CharlesLao Жыл бұрын
Tried the Kermit and Pelagos 39 because i am looking for a titanium daily driver and while i love both the Kermit is just a bit too green for me 😅
@Aaarumman
@Aaarumman Жыл бұрын
Love the channel and totally sold on the Kermit!
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
The channel loves you too. 🤙🏻
@BTLwatchcollector
@BTLwatchcollector Жыл бұрын
Please keep these coming! I hope you have more brands loaded in! However much I do adore Oris and what they do, the highlight for me were the few seconds of the Bamford Aquaracer on screen. 😇
@georgebamford
@georgebamford Жыл бұрын
same I loved that as well also got on my wrist today it makes me smile
@tattoofthesun
@tattoofthesun 8 ай бұрын
Oris Kermit is the Weezer Green album color
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime 8 ай бұрын
ACCURATE - great album too
@davidwarburton8890
@davidwarburton8890 Жыл бұрын
Might want those shoes more than the watch!
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
The shoes were pretty damn cool!
@MeestroDavid
@MeestroDavid Жыл бұрын
Love it in concept, but the white markers on neon green are illegible, and, like all of the PPX line, the flat midcentury dial is at odds with the (gorgeous) modern, sculptural, and angular case. My hope for W&W was that Oris would update the PPX with applied indices (as they did with the big-crown) and higher-grade titanium that doesn’t scratch as easily. Maybe next year? And if they do a Gonzo edition I’m 100% on board.
@alokintesla
@alokintesla Жыл бұрын
Sizzling hot show, you fellas popping with fun, charm, insight and intellect. Where’s the gin? Compliments to the film crew🤙
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Marcus / Lars / Grant 🔥
@jwags24
@jwags24 Жыл бұрын
I agree with Kermit on the dial.
@spencercook3220
@spencercook3220 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Not long enough! Kermit looks great. I would totally wear it. I usually agree with Andrew, but I think he has it wrong this time. It must be tough to shoot videos in this type of setting, but it's great to watch.
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🐸 💕
@raymond-thecrumpledlecturer
@raymond-thecrumpledlecturer Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with Andrew about the dials. They do look gorgeous. The Kermit is a nice idea, and the bracelet is lovely, but the green is too 1990s psychedelia. One thing: is that a Watchmen blood flecked Smiley badge? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. The channel's new motto perhaps? The answer: we do... for our sins.😂
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Yep it was lightly inspired
@raymond-thecrumpledlecturer
@raymond-thecrumpledlecturer Жыл бұрын
@@AboutEffingTime These shorter videos are working well, and I'm guessing they're to allow Marcus and the technical team to survive the aftermath of Watches and Wonders.
@electrolinks
@electrolinks Жыл бұрын
Oris is the brand for me.
@seattlegrrlie
@seattlegrrlie Жыл бұрын
Kermit looks surprisingly good on the wrist
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🤦🏼‍♂️ (says Andrew)
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
@@AboutEffingTime not everyone has to be as boring as you.
@oko4886
@oko4886 10 ай бұрын
beautifull_green_on_the_kermit.:)
@withRUfUS
@withRUfUS Жыл бұрын
Kermy ! Love the color of this. You can’t teach class.
@VWatchie
@VWatchie 8 ай бұрын
The only time you need a long power reserve is when you’re not wearing the watch, and if you’re not wearing it what’s the point of having it?
@JB-loves-watches
@JB-loves-watches Жыл бұрын
I want that Kermit shirt ❤
@mikesomerset6338
@mikesomerset6338 Жыл бұрын
Any watch that needs sunglasses to properly see it is no-go for myself.
@josips4281
@josips4281 Жыл бұрын
I would make Kermit pop on the dial at 12 like Andrew next to that Wolf winder 😄
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
😂 a minute repeater that whispers the strikes
@josips4281
@josips4281 Жыл бұрын
@@AboutEffingTime 🤣🤣🤣 George better get to work, we're on to something here
@silverlakeas
@silverlakeas Жыл бұрын
Love the style of the watch but do not like the neon green BUT I think the watch is fun & love the idea of the Kermit coming up once a month. Great fan of Oris & their ethos……
@DarrenBates
@DarrenBates Жыл бұрын
The three best gents in watch coverage. I'd actually watch them debate the weather forecast.
@georgebamford
@georgebamford Жыл бұрын
its always hot thank you sir much for your comment
@Swiss_Army_Knife1780
@Swiss_Army_Knife1780 Жыл бұрын
The Oris Pro Pilot Kermit is a great ⌚ for pediatricians. The case on that altimeter ⌚ is ethereal.
@zachkramer1770
@zachkramer1770 Жыл бұрын
Where do we buy the wolf winder?
@manwithclass09
@manwithclass09 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@manwithclass09
@manwithclass09 Жыл бұрын
Might just be enough for one of Adrian's fancy coffees!!!
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🤯
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Mowerman 🙌🏻🙌🏻 ☕️
@mauiholidayinformation4656
@mauiholidayinformation4656 Жыл бұрын
I actually like the Kermit a lot ... without the frog in the date window. I hope they offer a frog-less version of the Kermit, it would still be a light-hearted and fun watch.
@cedshred1676
@cedshred1676 Жыл бұрын
The Kermit isn’t for me, but I think it’s well designed and awesome.
@yojimbo21
@yojimbo21 Жыл бұрын
The Banter boys are at it again…
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Talkin smack
@yojimbo21
@yojimbo21 Жыл бұрын
@@AboutEffingTime Used to have group of friend I’d carpool up to university together. The drive quickly became known as the “Shark Pool.” Loved each other but we were vicious. This brings me back…
@tonyv.9447
@tonyv.9447 Жыл бұрын
Where can I find the watch winder?
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Coming very soon
@AldoFelt
@AldoFelt Жыл бұрын
I don’t like this watch but I can admit the amount of promo this watch is getting is helping the brand. 🐸 😆
@BHi-nw2tb
@BHi-nw2tb Жыл бұрын
Love oris, own 3 (an aquis, a bc3 sportsman and a tt1 racing which my wife wears mostly) I like most oris’s but the Kermit doesn’t do it for me, saw one in the flesh last weekend, the dial is way too bright for me. Also on paper the propilot x should be an ideal watch for me, killer looks (blue and grey version), good size, beautiful bracelet but on my wrist it looks just way too small. Almost feminine. A bit bigger and it would be my dream watch…. But not in almost fluorescent colours.
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Wears very small as no lugs to speak of - lug to lug tiny
@sevakdishoian2806
@sevakdishoian2806 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the phenomenal content, please be patient with one another and don't split up like other great youtube channels, LOL.
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Mummy and daddy are fighting again 😢
@keeferdog5617
@keeferdog5617 Жыл бұрын
ONE MORE REASON TO LOVE ORIS…THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR HEADS UP THEIR ASS - LIKE A LOT OF OTHER WATCH MANUFACTURERS…JUST CHECK OUT THE ROOM. “IT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW”
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Yep
@brenttaunton3867
@brenttaunton3867 Жыл бұрын
It’s a tennis ball
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🎾 🎯
@BrittPearceWatches
@BrittPearceWatches Жыл бұрын
I love how much you guys rub off on eachorher! Now Andrew is captain boring 😜 and Adrian is calling lime green sexy. 😂✨✨
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
😵‍💫😵‍💫
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
It’s when I start talking like Andrew that I get concerned.
@BenNS1971
@BenNS1971 Жыл бұрын
The watch is great. Kermit on the date wheel is fabulous but the green dial kills me… in a very bad way.
@k.iskandar
@k.iskandar 3 ай бұрын
Andrew kept interrupting when George or Adrian is speaking. Why??
@drbrowny90
@drbrowny90 Жыл бұрын
That green dial is incredible. Looks fantastic. The Kermit connection needs to be removed and it needs to be a normal date wheel version asap.
@alejandroloyolaurquiza1967
@alejandroloyolaurquiza1967 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree with Andrew on the Kermit!! I appreciate the intention from Oris of being fun/playful, but sorry, it is just horrible! Similar approach with the new Rolex day-date "emojis puzzle"...
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
👯‍♀️
@andrewd7586
@andrewd7586 Жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for the Miss Piggy! 🐽💄🤭🤣👍🏼
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🙈
@andrewd7586
@andrewd7586 Жыл бұрын
@@AboutEffingTime Especially to see George’s runners! 😱😆
@montha123
@montha123 Жыл бұрын
Seen one yesterday, nice watch but that colour green is a bit too much for my liking
@Redducati1199
@Redducati1199 10 ай бұрын
Love my (None kermit) Green Aquis, some many people comment on the looks and the green really pops when the sun catches it. Real quality brand without a silly price tag. PS, I'm not a fan of the Kermit watch, its a bit childish!
@bbrebozo6417
@bbrebozo6417 Жыл бұрын
You guys forgot to bring your proton packs.
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
Kermit busters
@BarkandJack
@BarkandJack Жыл бұрын
That was Andrew’s fault. When we said bring the guns, he went to the gym! 🤦🏼‍♂️
@syktgrei
@syktgrei Жыл бұрын
I also disliked the Kermit - until I saw it at an AD yesterday! Probably not a watch I would ever buy, though.
@turradi1126
@turradi1126 Жыл бұрын
Nobody wearing a Rolex is ever allowed to call anybody "old and boring", unless they're looking into a mirror, hahahaha
@wildernessofzinn17
@wildernessofzinn17 Жыл бұрын
I love the Kermit. I just wish I could afford one, but being a Dogface Nobody, $4600 is way out of my league for disposable income on a watch.
@dominicmersmann9975
@dominicmersmann9975 Жыл бұрын
New Atelier in 2023?
@tankt13
@tankt13 Жыл бұрын
Oris is my favorite brand but yeah, I can’t get on with that Kermit thing…🐸
@Cam-yu8wy
@Cam-yu8wy Жыл бұрын
Love Oris....but Kermit (or any other puppet, cartoon or whatever..) on a watch dial not meant for my kids....just nah... 😄 Propilot on the other hand...too big for my tiny wrist, and I don't effing care - I want it 😁
@bbrebozo6417
@bbrebozo6417 Жыл бұрын
Odd coincidence that Oris would have an emoji as one of its dates in a gimmicky watch, just like Rolex.
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
🧐 collective consciousness
@ralpingpong
@ralpingpong Жыл бұрын
Kermit is not really an emoji. Oris did it better though. What a shitstorm Rolex got right after w&w and now nobody talks about it anymore 😆
@Snakebloke
@Snakebloke Жыл бұрын
Hated the Kermit...honestly, its awful. I'd rather have a puzzle DayDate...which is really saying something.
@mikekallen5113
@mikekallen5113 Жыл бұрын
Hate hate that watch
@bosullivan5462
@bosullivan5462 Жыл бұрын
The Kermit is hidious... If i am going to spend money on a watch I want it to be classy. They is like a watch that you get free with Big mac in the local burger shop
@jaymt1982
@jaymt1982 Жыл бұрын
The dial is too bright. I bet in sunlight it's not very readable.
@manwithclass09
@manwithclass09 Жыл бұрын
Good work once again Gents - I am hooked on your channel and vids..... And I am a 100% Sigma male so it is most unusual for me to "gush"..... But you guys do make me smile similar to how watches can make you all smile. Especially my younger brother George!!! Keep up the good work mates - I just bought another watch I really did not need over the weekend but man oh man - I REALLY wanted it! And - it does make me smile! Safe travels men! Your loyal from the States!
@kkrsnn5632
@kkrsnn5632 Жыл бұрын
Thst Oris is the only true Kermit. Not that other one 😂
@robitobi9740
@robitobi9740 Жыл бұрын
Understand iPhone and other products from Apple is Chinese but Apple developed only . Adrian has some allergy for watches which aren’t made by Rolex or Tudor.
@dannyg6592
@dannyg6592 Жыл бұрын
I like colorful dials (my favorite watch in my collection is my green dial op36) but that Kermit dial is the most hideous shade of green I've ever seen on any watch. It falls somewhere between pond scum and vomit. Very hard pass.
@diydad7704
@diydad7704 Жыл бұрын
I had to instantly stop the video and search for these Kermit trainers. No longer available in my size. 😥
@AboutEffingTime
@AboutEffingTime Жыл бұрын
😢
@BumblebumBear
@BumblebumBear Жыл бұрын
Love it.....wish I had £3700 to waste
@peterzin8979
@peterzin8979 Жыл бұрын
I love the color!
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