Yeah I do have to agree with you but john also plays a part as well

It is speculated and heavily rumored that Jamie will kill Rip to destroy Beth's world and get his revenge. He doesn't care anymore after killing his father, and the only thing that will bring him any sort of resolve or peace to him.

Beth has spent years poisoning Jamie's mind with her spite and venom when in reality all he ever did was try to clean up the messes her abject lack of self-control created. Always frames herself as the victim and Jamie as the villain. And John is the guiltiest of them all, favoring Beth and overlooking her mistakes while constantly dumping on the person he shaped into the family's garbage disposal. TBH I feel sorry for Rip. He's in love with a viperous monster who ultimately deserves whatever comeuppance she gets. John lives in a prison of his own making.

He is the perfect machiavellic combination between lawyer and politician, add to it the family he came from: a biological father who murdered his mother and he forgave him for it even loved him, and a second family whom he betrayed no matter what you think. He has been a monster from the beginning, and that history Beth said about he been who sterilized her...oh come on!!. That guy has always been a monster.

​@@beatrizhugo2006 he's a monster because she has zero self control and refuses to take accountability for her actions? He took her to the hospital where she had to agree to the procedure in order for it to have even taken place, obviously she agree of her own free will NOT Jamie, she's the perfect example of a monster who plays victim but in reality she's anything but

Beth should run for governor or any office, I don't think she'd have anybody bold enough to run against her. WOW 😳 that would be the bomb!!! Can't wait for the season to start!!!!♥️♥️🐄🐎🐎🐎🥰🥰

@@lorainelambert8548 she's a horrible candidate

They think they can just play in his face like that

And they wonder why they can’t keep Jamie in their pockets… Beth and John are downright stupid.

Yep

She has done more though

Jamie and Beth have similar goals, Beth would never sell out while John lives, Jamie would break the ranch up at the drop of a hat.

Rip is his favorite

Jamie is a weak punk! He can't stand up to anything or anyone.

he plays a great bad guy

He's been acting for over two decades. He's been in a lot of shows and movies.

Incredibly mediocre. It's amazing how average of an actor he is.

Thanks Wes. You're a horrible actor!

Just cause people say they behind a story don't mean they are bunch of cover up lies!😠

@@bessieward2011 what?

@@thomassample6292 Just what it says

@@bessieward2011 that made no sense

@@billbuffalo6755 All on different levels of true Sense....But anyway every word true!

Jamie walked away from the Dutton family for a man who got his mother addicted and then murdered her. Jamie took Beth’s ability to carry on the family. Jamie made himself an outcast then turned his back. That’s significant, regardless if he “does everything he can” for the family. To understand John you have to think like a cowboy godfather. You don’t go against family.

@@Mainecoonlady. Jaime hasn't gone against family, because he never tried to hurt Kayce, nor John, NOR Beth! He managed to prevent Yellowstone from getting sold. But John, who always demands from him loyalty without ever giving back to him love, and Beth, who keeps abusing him, ended up leading him to think that THEY betrayed him. Because that's John's problem! He demands people to be loyal to him and to view things as he does, but then doesn't stop one second to make them understand that he's doing what her really thinks is the best from them. He wants the best, for Jaime, but never tried to make him understand that without berating him. He forced him to go to law school, then forced him to be the family's lawyer, then forbid him to desire something else. He never allowed Jaime to ever feel free from his family. If you care about your family, you have to care about all its members, but John poses the question in the sense that if you are part of a family, you have to be loyal to it, period, not because instead if you want to be a family you have to love and support each other because otherwise you are not a family.

It’s the way the writers write the story

Because John knows what truly matters in this world "your family, your land and most of all your word" and if no one can trust you because you don't keep your word then there is no point in having the other 2 in your life

@@Mainecoonlady. exactly. Jamie isn’t fit to be doing what’s he’s doing. They can literally find/hire a new lawyer someone better than Jamie. Jamie has gotten on my last nerves for the past several seasons. Him and Beth, but at least Beth does what she does for the family. All the stuff Jamie pulled, especially being the main reason she can’t have children, he needs to go. He may have the Dutton name, but he’s not truly a Dutton by blood. If Jamie doesn’t get his shit together in S5, I hope Beth tells Rip the truth about what Jamie did, so he can tear his ass apart. 

Beth refuses to take any responsibility for the fact that she demanded that Jamie organise an abortion for her, without anyone else knowing about it. That limited his options to the res. Beth wanted the abortion. She could not have obtained it without either being sterilised, or her family being shamed if she went to any other clinic. Jamie agreed with the sterilisation, because in his mind there was no other option. I think it's about time Beth started taking responsibility for her own choices. Narcissists never take responsibility for their own actions.

Jamie is ultimately a coward and Beth is little more than a doxie with an unwarranted chip on her shoulder.

@@katykircher7413 Bingo. Beth refuses to take responsibility for *anything* she does. She is the absolute worst and so far the show has kept a significant amount of plot armor around her selfish toxicity. She's a picture of someone whose true talent in life is creating messes with their lack of self control and expecting someone else to clean them up, then scorning them anyway. Ultimately the abortion debacle was John's fault (if he ha been more emotionally available to his children Beth would have come to him) and Beth's (she wasn't raped-heck, she all but forced herself on Rip initially), and deep down I think he knows that. But easier to just blame everything on the adopted child who was only ever tasked with trying to clean up your messes.

@@katykircher7413 bro she didnt know about them having to sterilize her he did and didnt tell her are you joking right now? thats heartless and terrible to take away someones chance and ability to have children. "in his mind there was no other option" that doesnt make it right at all. horribe logic, "its ok i murdered this person in my mind it was the only option" and the show clearly showed she was only ruthless and mean to him AFTER that day and rightfully so. He betrayed the family with the interview then murdered an innocent woman to cover it up. hes horrible. his impatiance and wanting more and more at the cost of those around him made him a bad person. he NEVER did the shit for the family FOR the family, only to advance his standing in the family and help himself. the fact you cant see it is wild to me. beth thought she WAS getting the abortion without being sterilized. i think your missing that key bit of information here and if you know thats what happen your heartless.

jaimie didnt do those things to help the family, he did those things to help his own standing in the family and his own position. he did those things for approval not love.

Jamie went along with the sterilization because Beth wouldn’t tell him who the father was, out of spite.

I’m glad you were able to catch that 😂

I would have but as this show goes on i feel sorry for jamie. Obviously he was the red headed stepchild and never really had his own identity.Beth is an evil manipulative b*tch and john made them sll like this.

@@pab1381 it's wasn't hard to see

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Seems in show the only one who truly sympathizes with him is Kayce, for that very reason. The S3 episode where Jamie loses it after John comes at him (for a 20 year old situation that ultimately was his own fault) and Kayce just holds his brother was telling. Beth has tried to convince Jamie that the entire family hates him and that's a lie. She hates him-probably hated him before the abortion if her attitude towards him in the flashbacks was any indication-and projects that hatred onto everyone around her.

You will feel better if you confess and turn yourself in.

Maybe because all of those award shows are complete bullshit that have next to nothing to do with what they claim to exist for?

To twist the knife in deeper no doubt.

It doesn’t make sense for Lynelle’s character to behave that way… I think it’s just done to give Jamie another kick in the face.

Facts

Is that show good?

@@davidgutierrez7203 Yes,I thought it was very good and personally well worth watching.

My thoughts exactly

I think they might be bringing Summer back.

I never felt sorry for Jamie after what he did to Beth……until he was forced to shoot his own dad. He’s a broken man now and will never be the same. I have to pity him at least a little bit now.

@@hansenfiet2539 Beth did it to herself way back then, and Jamie took her to a place where she would not be recognized to protect her and Rip. If Jamie hadn’t done that, Rip very well could have rode the long black train.

I feel sorry for him as well..beth is cruel in her treatment of him. She put him into an impossible situation cause of her mistake..

@@hansenfiet2539 you mean what beth asked him to do?

It amazes me how many people view Jamie as a piece of shit. He literally gets gaslit into doing everything that John wants him to do and then gets spat on when he tries to do anything for himself. Whenever he gave that reporter all the dirt on John my whole family was like see?! He is a traitor, as if it wasnt warrented.

Jamie has been the kicking bag for the family for the longest time and yet he was the one who put up with John for the longest time .

Was Beth not responsible for any of her own choices?

Beth's hatred for him isn't even fair. She was in a situation of her own making, was nasty with Jamie even while asking for his help getting her out of it, and wants to blame him for the result. No she didn't ask for a hysterectomy. Well she didn't *not* ask for one either. What she asked for was for him to make the "problem" go away without anyone knowing and that's what he did. Beth is a zero-accountability narcissist and I think the contempt Jamie gets from the rest of the family is largely fueled by her poisoning them all against him. And something tells me that didn't start *after* the abortion. She was a self-centered little snot beforehand.

He did nothing to her she made a choice she can't stand and blames her troubles on him cause that's what women do.

@@kish2187- she asked for help and went along with sterilization without telling her out of spite because she wouldn’t name the father.

Abortion took place in an indian reservation hospital where this indeed was common practice…

@@mmmieke3853 I'll take you at your word but this seems incredibly out of step with basic medical ethics. I'll have to do some more research on it.

@@ericdale4641here you go: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women

I understand why beth didn't go to john because she was scared he would had seriously hurt rip as for her mother she was already dead at this point

Rip wasent the poster boy that he is now; if John found out he knocked up his daughter at such a young age he would be screwed.

I think (but I'm not sure) that Beth's mother was already dead when she got pregnant. In 1 episode Years later Rip told John that the reason that people don't talk to him about problems is because they are afraid that they'll let him down. That also was the reason that Beth went to Jamie. Jamie was home and the others weren't.

@@madmom87 Jamie ultimately saved Rip's life back then. John in his anger and grief over the recent loss of his wife very likely would have killed Rip, who had yet to prove the worth he has by the point where the show begins. What aggravates me is how cowed and cucked Beth has him to the point where he doesn't even stand up to her or point any of that out. Cowering on his knees? Letting her threaten him with a gun? In a Government building? The guy can have nerves of steel in the face of any other opponent, but she opens her mouth and he folds like a paper airplane. That's a lifetime of emotional manipulation for you.

@@KelsonArwhi partly due to poor writing.

Hooray democraburbles!

It's fake.

It’s because the mom was abusing Jaime

Self absorbed? He has done more for the ranch then any of the other "children" and yet he gets abused by everyone all the time

Jamie is a victim of the abuse he gets from John and Beth, he has continually cleaned up after them and helped them family yet it’s never good enough for John.

He did get that son. His name is Rip.

Release the damn photo if you want Jaime should just say it's photoshopped.

Yeah he's been my favorite candidate since the start

Mary Sue BS? Misogynist!

Most of Hollyweird did.

And? Good for him!

no problem, just keep it real. he's playing an anti-obama character!! its just weird@@Colin-Fenix

Yes she was responsible for having Jamie take her to get the abortion but not for the sterilization. Jamie was worried about the Dutton name which was commendable but not to

@@madmom87 seems like he was trying to fix her mistakes but he gets blamed for it

the future of his sister and the wrath he has and will continue to face. Beth is getting to the point where she desperately wants to tell Rip but doesn't want to lose him due to what happened all those years ago. Plus she knows what Rip will do to Jamie.

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