Best Vintage Game Console for Classic Arcade Games?

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The 8-Bit Guy

The 8-Bit Guy

7 жыл бұрын

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I'm often asked which game console or home computer to buy. In this episode, I'll compare many of the consoles to find out which one is best for playing early arcade classics.

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@FairyCRat
@FairyCRat 7 жыл бұрын
As a 2000s kid, I'd probably never have gotten into retro game hardware if your channel didn't exist! Thanks for all those vids and tips!
@FallicIdol
@FallicIdol 6 жыл бұрын
Fairy C Rat I was a young kid when I had an Atari. While many arcade games of that time still hold up, I don’t think you will find many home console games of that time doing so. With a few exceptions, I honk nostalgia is required to enjoy them. The NES is really the first console to have games still enjoyable today.
@Guitarplayer7253
@Guitarplayer7253 6 жыл бұрын
sssssssssAME i love retro games
@exidy-yt
@exidy-yt 4 жыл бұрын
@@FallicIdol Mostly true, but give H.E.R.O. and Pitfall 2 another playthrough or two under Stella (or your Atari 2600 emulator of choice) Both hold up well, especially H.E.R.O. This is a game that could totally stand to get a modern (if Indie) remake and do well. On the IntelliVision, The Dreadnought Factor is a better Uridium then Uridium. Having to both shoot AND bomb the various weapon systems and ventilation shafts all while dealing with point-defense guns, heavy cannons AND guided mines before the dreadnought got close enough to blow up the Earth made for one stressful experience, especially the homing mines. With a proper controller, it's an absolute blast even today if you can deal with single colour graphics for all the sprites.
@FallicIdol
@FallicIdol 4 жыл бұрын
@@exidy-yt Those are good, and I enjoy a lot of other classics (River Raid, Air Sea Battle, ect.) but I can't imagine getting a kid today to sit down and give them a chance. An NES may be pushing it. I think the 16-bit era is truly where a lot of the more timeless games started to emerge.
@exidy-yt
@exidy-yt 4 жыл бұрын
@@FallicIdol Yeah for a kid I agree 100%. The most basic flash games online are better then most of the Atari/Intellivision catalog. My daughters got right into Missile Command and Pitfall 2 when they were little, but that's about it for anything older then my SNES.
@ZILtoid1991
@ZILtoid1991 7 жыл бұрын
No love for the Sega Master System?
@The8BitGuy
@The8BitGuy 7 жыл бұрын
The master system really came out too late for this sort of thing.
@5had0w5talk3r
@5had0w5talk3r 7 жыл бұрын
It only came out 1 year after the NES did in North America and Europe, and it was compatible with the SG-1000 games, and that came out the same year as the FamiCom in Japan.
@GoldenKingStudio
@GoldenKingStudio 7 жыл бұрын
What about the SG-1000, then?
@Ultimady
@Ultimady 7 жыл бұрын
Well I did a quick run through of the list of games used for comparison here and to be honest it only looks like about 6 of them are even on the system (And that's being very generous giving it pacmania for pacman etc)
@dixie_rekd9601
@dixie_rekd9601 7 жыл бұрын
from what ive heard the master system wasnt nearly as popular in the USA as it was in the rest of the world
@LazerLord10
@LazerLord10 7 жыл бұрын
Lol, I have a JAMMA arcade board that I tossed into an old arcade machine I have, and now I have 60 classic arcade games. It's great fun!
@DrWho2008t101
@DrWho2008t101 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@markchambers3833
@markchambers3833 3 жыл бұрын
You're my hero.
@delusionnnnn
@delusionnnnn 6 жыл бұрын
Another criteria would be how easy to find and how much the cartridges go for. Although I was a C64 user back in the day (actually giving up an Atari 400 to become one), the Atari 8-bit machines probably have it beat in that criteria, too - C64 game carts tend to not show up very often in second-hand shops because most people tended to either have disc drives in the US or tape drives in the UK. I see the 8-bit carts for Atari more often. They have a nice brown "serious" typography to them, too, for the most part. Stylish and they have a retro-future vibe now.
@JoeUrbanYYC
@JoeUrbanYYC 4 жыл бұрын
Very good point. I owned a C64 in the 80s and I think we had exactly 1 cartridge game, everything else was on floppy disk.
@JaredConnell
@JaredConnell 3 жыл бұрын
But at least you can download audio files of roms and be able to experience the nostalgia of loading times on real hardware lol
@DrWho2008t101
@DrWho2008t101 3 жыл бұрын
atari st was my favorite cuz of gantlet.
@BoshMind
@BoshMind 5 жыл бұрын
Plot twist The screenshot for popeye was the nes version!
@supermariofan772003
@supermariofan772003 5 жыл бұрын
Nah, I don't think that's the NES version. The colors are different. But wouldn't that be a twist if it actually was!
@MrMagnaFarce
@MrMagnaFarce 7 жыл бұрын
Atari 800XL with a nice Genesis arcade stick has always been my favourite way to play arcade ports at home.
@Pfisiar22
@Pfisiar22 3 жыл бұрын
The NES definitely did have Popeye. I remember owning it and it appears in every NES emulator list.
@cemepee
@cemepee 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I have it. It was a black label NES game.
@jasfrt6384
@jasfrt6384 2 жыл бұрын
The colecovision also has Popeye
@sergeykiselev4266
@sergeykiselev4266 2 жыл бұрын
The NES also has DigDug
@zackschilling4376
@zackschilling4376 2 жыл бұрын
@@sergeykiselev4266 NES did not. Famicom did, NES only had Dig Dug 2 which isnt very good.
@QuantumScratcher
@QuantumScratcher 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, Mario was created because Nintendo couldn't get the rights to use Popeye.
@infinitecanadian
@infinitecanadian 7 жыл бұрын
The Atari 8-bit line had some incredible arcade conversions.
@richardadams4928
@richardadams4928 Жыл бұрын
If you're including the NES, you should also consider the Sega Master System. Of course, the SMS will be missing most of your top 40 games (a solid list, BTW), but makes up for a lot of that deficiency by having some great later 'classic' arcade titles like Altered Beast, Shinobi, Rastan, Outrun, Hang-On, Afterburner, Thunderblade, and Golden Axe. I'd also make a case for Colecovision having some REALLY outstanding less iconic arcade conversions that were terrific games and very well-done home versions, such as Ladybug, Frenzy, Venture, Looping, Pepper II, Carnival, Buck Rogers, Up and Down, Roc n Rope, and quite a few others.
@LaskyLabs
@LaskyLabs 5 жыл бұрын
5:59 the nes had ms.pacman! Both a normal grey cartridge that was faithful to the arcade, and a tengen one, that had loads of cool extra features.
@ThomaniacsRetrogamingZone
@ThomaniacsRetrogamingZone 6 жыл бұрын
Havent't thought the Atari 8 bit arcade game library stands above the C64. Nice comparison video!
@user-tb5ns7hc5i
@user-tb5ns7hc5i 3 жыл бұрын
He’s evaluating classic games, not all games. C64 has a much larger overall library avail but for quality classic arcade games, nothing touches Atari 8bit on a console or computer for original releases back in the day.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-tb5ns7hc5i Not just that, but classic titles that are available on cartridge, specifically, which were never as popular on the C64. The ones that exist aren't necessarily hard to find, but are not as numerous and readily found as on the Atari 8-bit platform. That's too bad, actually, because in my opinion the C64's hardware features are more geared toward this type of game, and generally the games are a bit better on the C64 as a result. By the way, it's strange that the 5200 is so lacking in this respect, because it has the same hardware as the 400, differing only in where the hardware registers are addressed. The exact same game code can be ported very easily just by changing a few constants and some of the joystick code.
@werpu12
@werpu12 Жыл бұрын
Btw funny thing he had games on the list which did not even originate in the arcades but on either consoles or 8 bit computers. Pitfall 2 for instance originated on the 2600 and later was ported by Sega to the arcades. Same goes for Montezumas Revenge (did this game even come out in the arcades?)
@meetoo594
@meetoo594 Жыл бұрын
@@werpu12 Choplifter as well. It came out on home machines before Sega ported it to the Arcade. The pc engine/turbografix 16 had quite a few of the games on the list, not sure why he didnt include that machine as well.
@werpu12
@werpu12 Жыл бұрын
@@meetoo594 Very likely for the same reason he omitted the spectrum, probably simply no device available.
@MrSEA-ok2ll
@MrSEA-ok2ll 6 жыл бұрын
Still love my 8 bit Atari computers...sweet nostalgia.
@mikkkeh
@mikkkeh 5 жыл бұрын
Especially Atari 130XE
@lordevyl8317
@lordevyl8317 5 жыл бұрын
Too bad the Atari 400 had a shit keyboard MEMBRANE KEYBOARDS SUCK ASS
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 5 жыл бұрын
@@lordevyl8317 Yeah, though if you're primarily using it as a game console that doesn't matter much. The keyboard was definitely the reason to upgrade to something else if you were into programming.
@lordevyl8317
@lordevyl8317 4 жыл бұрын
Matt McIrvin Yeah, but if you're into a lot of RPGs and stuf like text adventuresf, they often require keyboard usage, it gets to be a pain in ht ass as well
@datacipher
@datacipher 4 жыл бұрын
I still have my original 5200!
@AcrOfSpades
@AcrOfSpades 7 жыл бұрын
What a quality vid. I can tell you put a lot of hard work into it Dave.
@nawresvibritannia4874
@nawresvibritannia4874 7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the amount of work went into making this video, picking the games and researching all 40 of them must've been very time consuming! It was an entertaining video tho, keep up the good work!
@crystalwater505
@crystalwater505 2 жыл бұрын
There is some misinformation in this video. Popeye and Dig-Dug are indeed on NES.
@RMCRetro
@RMCRetro 6 жыл бұрын
Great and thorough video as always, thanks 8bit guy!
@MarkMcDaniel
@MarkMcDaniel 4 жыл бұрын
What I loved about the Atari XE system was that it came with Missile Command built into the game system. I just had to hold down the power button to load that instead of any inserted cartridge.
@AE-bm4no
@AE-bm4no Жыл бұрын
yea but it only shoots one type of missile, and the original missile command arcade cab used a trackball . And it also had 3 types of missiles, so 3 separate buttons for each missile.
@MarkMcDaniel
@MarkMcDaniel Жыл бұрын
@@AE-bm4no -- Home ports were never as good as the arcades back then. Because, they wanted us to drop quarters in the machines over time.
@dodgeramsport01
@dodgeramsport01 Жыл бұрын
@@MarkMcDaniel thats just a dumb answer as the console companys didnt own the arcades!
@MarkMcDaniel
@MarkMcDaniel Жыл бұрын
@Dodge Ram 01 -- True, but oftentimes the publishers of arcade games published the home console versions. And, they made more money off of selling the consoles than they did the cartridges.
@dodgeramsport01
@dodgeramsport01 Жыл бұрын
@@MarkMcDaniel you are correct, but to say that they want us to keep dropping quarters is not on the manufacturer! Although the person who owns the machine was making a killing lol
@patriotbarrow
@patriotbarrow 7 жыл бұрын
So the best video game consoles of the time were personal computers. Same as today.
@dixie_rekd9601
@dixie_rekd9601 7 жыл бұрын
lol yeah pc masterrace has always been a thing but noone needed to mention it, because the console plebs (lol jking) always knew their system was inferior.
@MixerVM
@MixerVM 7 жыл бұрын
Same as today? Show me a PC version of a game that clearly surpasses its console counterparts.
@Neyas33
@Neyas33 7 жыл бұрын
Are you daft ? By 1984 and the NES hit her full potential the PC was severly lagging behind. Doom ,Civ I and others marked a step up but the next one was accelerated graphics, and that was early 2000 with Quake, mainly. And early 2000 the PS2 was right around the corner. Most of the launch or early PS2 titles blown PC games of the time out of the water. Half life 1 was a great game by game design but it's engine had not much special. The only time PC was really superior was by the mid 7th gen era, and stayed that way for different reasons, which you surely grew up with since you obviously know absolutely fuck all about games.
@dixie_rekd9601
@dixie_rekd9601 7 жыл бұрын
the witcher 3. skyrim , fallout 3, nv and 4, kerbal space program, every first person shooter ever, minecraft, terraria, GTA5, watchdogs 2, just cause 3, dark souls 1 2 and 3 , doom, tomb raider (all of them), deus ex (all of them), farcry (all of them), the sims (all of them)..... hmmmmm have I forgotten any..... yes , i have ...... thousands of other games.
@SpeedySPCFan
@SpeedySPCFan 7 жыл бұрын
All of those games except KSP and some FPS games have home console ports. PCMR has never seriously been a thing and never will be because the only benefit we had was better graphics in most titles and to be frank, most of those "better graphics" are just fluff that are used for shallow anti-console arguments.
@FinalBaton
@FinalBaton 7 жыл бұрын
The "from late '70s to '84 arcade games" parameter is very interesting! It's a fun basis upon which to compare systems, IMO.
@TNX255
@TNX255 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, can't wait for the next review with these machines.
@ertuncdelikaya8237
@ertuncdelikaya8237 4 жыл бұрын
I wish you had included Sega Master System in the list.
@DrWho2008t101
@DrWho2008t101 3 жыл бұрын
classic i own that.
@ertuncdelikaya8237
@ertuncdelikaya8237 3 жыл бұрын
@Komaru Naegi Nope, it's 8-bit. Don't confuse it with the Sega Megadrive/Genesis.
@jensdroessler3575
@jensdroessler3575 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Master System is 8bit and the direct competitor of the NES, just technically a little better (especially the japanese version with additional FM sound). But as the guy said, he only included machines that were popular in North America which the Master System never was. Mega Drive/Genesis, that‘s another story...
@Sinn0100
@Sinn0100 3 жыл бұрын
@@jensdroessler3575 No...the 8-bit Guy made said list solely based on old arcade games of the early 1980's and which console had the most games from that genre (single screen, high score driven). The Atari 5200 and 7800 were neither popular nor well received. Further, I find his list severely flawed as well as his take on the arcades of the times. The Nes should have won out as the single screen arcade games it had were actually arcade perfect. None of the other machines came close. Galaga for instance on the Nes is almost indistinguishable to the arcade cab side-by-side. As far as his arcade games not being popular...only the games he selected. We gamers of the mid 1980's and early 1990's were hungry for more. The first beat em' ups like Double Dragon were just hitting the arcades and they were white hot. This led into what is called the second golden age of the arcades where one-on-one fighters ruled everything. I was there for it...this was a rare miss for the 8-bit Guy.
@mrp4242
@mrp4242 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sinn0100, the single screen arcade ports the NES had were all arcade perfect? I’m Gonna disagree with you there. Take Donkey Kong, for instance. Nintendo made DK, and yet that port is not ‘arcade perfect’. It doesn’t even have the second stage. It is better than the Atari 7800 version? I think so. Arcade perfect? No. Burgertime and Rampage are other great examples of games I wouldn’t call ‘actually arcade perfect’...you can’t even be one of the characters in Rampage (and yet you can be any of the three on the 7800). I don’t think it’s wrong to say the NES had better ports for these. I do think it’s wrong to call them all ‘actually arcade perfect’. I know. I was there. I was the ‘poor’ kid that owned a 7800, but my older brother had the NES.
@jerrick7771
@jerrick7771 5 жыл бұрын
Yes! My first console was the 2600, but I had an Atari XEGS that I loved! I still have a couple cartridges. I regret not having the system anymore. Crystal Castles was my favorite. Flight Simulator was a close second. I loved Bug Hunt and all the back catalog of 800XL games. I still have the floppy disks!
@codo430
@codo430 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I was born in 2005, but I still absolutely love retro games! (I have an atari flashback 7, portable, GBA SP & an SNES classic, as well as a large variety of plug&play systems.) I wanted to look at some actual vintage systems, & I stumbled upon this video, so, thanks!
@lucashoffmannn
@lucashoffmannn 7 жыл бұрын
amazing amount of information in such a short time. Great video!
@musketeerash
@musketeerash 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a newcomer to your channel, so this comment is very late, but I was pretty psyched to see the TI-99 at the end of this video. I actually happened across one of those in perfect working order in a Goodwill a couple years ago. I haven't done much of anything with it other than play Chess and Parsec, but it's a very cool machine. I've considered looking into what I would need to emulate a tape drive with mp3s, as that would vastly expand my potential game library.
@TheTarrMan
@TheTarrMan 7 жыл бұрын
My first computer was a VIC20. . . .. . I got it in 1999. 😢
@chartle1
@chartle1 7 жыл бұрын
Got mine probably around '83. Still may have it somewhere in the attic.
@chartle1
@chartle1 7 жыл бұрын
Also have timex Sinclair ZX 80 I bought for $29 on clearence.
@JohnDoe-qx3zs
@JohnDoe-qx3zs 7 жыл бұрын
+Cliff Hartle Wauv, the original ZX 80 with its many chips, not the ZX 81 that combined it down to like 4 chips?
@chartle1
@chartle1 7 жыл бұрын
John Doe​ I just looked it up 81. It was going to be the core of my robot project. I had an IO module and a toy tank motor ready to go. I could do the same thing with probably a tiny arduino Nano or pro mini with more storage.
@atranfanatic
@atranfanatic 6 жыл бұрын
My first computer was a Commodore 64. Got it in '83. Still have it to this day with many disks full of games. And yes it still works.
@gigglysamentz2021
@gigglysamentz2021 5 жыл бұрын
I had a CD for PC with loads of arcade games when I was super young! I loved Mappy and Xevious ^^
@videogamerduck2736
@videogamerduck2736 6 жыл бұрын
This video helped me decide my new game console. Keep up the good work
@jtsdeals
@jtsdeals 6 жыл бұрын
The 800xl was my first real computer (after a timex Sinclair 1000 and a 2600). Fun video to watch for the nostalgia.
@vwestlife
@vwestlife 7 жыл бұрын
Did you include clones in the games rankings? For example, the Intellivision and TI-99/4A both had their own clones of Space Invaders, rather than an officially licensed version of the real thing.
@mheermance
@mheermance 6 жыл бұрын
It's worth buying a TI 99/4a for TI Invaders and Parsec alone. They're also much cheaper than other vintage systems.
@thegamecorner2275
@thegamecorner2275 6 жыл бұрын
+VWestlife Same with the Commodore VIC-20. It had Avenger.
@bitset3741
@bitset3741 6 жыл бұрын
Some clones were not that good so I understand not including them in general. I have Avenger for the C64 though and it is really good. I'd like to see a video on best arcade style clones.
@GTSN38
@GTSN38 6 жыл бұрын
I love Astrosmash for Intellivision ! ! It's kinda like space invaders, but way better in my opinion and it's faster paced
@ronb6182
@ronb6182 6 жыл бұрын
Martin Heermance I always liked parsec. I never had TI invaders. I never was good at space invaders. I would like a copy that I could change the fire power speed. Maybe a cheat code. Ms pacman had a chip to make the pacman go faster. Why not in space invaders.
@Artorthegreat
@Artorthegreat 4 жыл бұрын
I love my Atari 800 and 7800, this is all the more reason why I display them proudly
@Lokalaskurar
@Lokalaskurar 7 жыл бұрын
Very good comparison, keep up the good work!
@marzshox1037
@marzshox1037 7 жыл бұрын
Keep content coming, 8-Bit Guy. Will be donating, shortly!
@DavidSnay
@DavidSnay 5 жыл бұрын
I remember the day TI announced they were dropping their computer, their stock went up $25. That tells you public opinion.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 2 жыл бұрын
The patient's prognosis greatly improved when they stopped the bleeding.
@feldon27
@feldon27 7 жыл бұрын
Choplifter, Defender II, Dig Dug, Galaxian, Lode Runner, Ms Pac-Man, Popeye, and Space Invaders were released for the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985 or 1986. Arkanoid -is the official version of- (edit: very similar to) Breakout and exists for the NES. So if you are looking for a retro system with 20 games from your list, NES is not a bad choice.
@LotoTheHero
@LotoTheHero 7 жыл бұрын
I knew it had Popeye for sure, and I suspected it had some of the others. Couldn't remember for sure though, so I didn't comment on them.
@MattB619
@MattB619 7 жыл бұрын
Did you mean Arkanoid is the *unofficial* version of Breakout? Because Breakout is the official version of Breakout. Breakout was the first brick-breaking game, programmed by Steve Jobs & Steve Wozniak when Steve Jobs was working for Nolan Bushnell on the night shift at Atari Inc. There was one man on the night shift and it was Steve Jobs. Wozniak finished the game for Jobs and he wasn't even working for Atari. Arkanoid came years later, and while you break bricks, they are in many different shapes and you get all kinds of power-ups. Breakout is more primitive and in many ways harder.
@feldon27
@feldon27 7 жыл бұрын
You are correct. Arkanoid came later and adds powerups which I think makes it more interesting. So strictly speaking, NES stands at 19 games.
@mayonaka7
@mayonaka7 7 жыл бұрын
If I remember right, some of these titles likeDig Dug and Space Invaders were only released in Japan on the Famicom. Popeye and Loder Runner definitely had US releases, though!
@ChasD
@ChasD 6 жыл бұрын
Arkanoid is to Breakout what Super Space Invaders '91 is to Space Invaders and Galaga '88 is to Galaga. They took basic elements of the original classics, but the actual gameplay is considerably different/ expanded.
@thebrianster6752
@thebrianster6752 7 жыл бұрын
I am really looking forward to the next episode of this series
@matthewdezii
@matthewdezii 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I've been looking at diving into retro games!
@TechHowden
@TechHowden 3 жыл бұрын
Even though I’m only 13 years old I like almost all the game consoles You showed
@CricetoFunni
@CricetoFunni 3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@SmithyyGCN
@SmithyyGCN 3 жыл бұрын
I like that. It gives me hope that the younger generations can appreciate older hardware. Good on you.
@glocken04166
@glocken04166 3 жыл бұрын
I also like nearly all the consoles shown in this video, but I'm 17.
@childishbeat
@childishbeat 7 жыл бұрын
You forgot about the Sega Master System, didn't you?
@emuboy85
@emuboy85 7 жыл бұрын
no sega love :(
@stonent
@stonent 7 жыл бұрын
The SMS wouldn't have likely had many of these titles.
@andrewreed1329
@andrewreed1329 4 жыл бұрын
Too late end of 8 bit, 16 bit in arcades
@leawhite4145
@leawhite4145 7 жыл бұрын
I just discovered this channel and I find this kind of stuff sooo interesting!
@jessehardesty2895
@jessehardesty2895 7 жыл бұрын
Might have been mentioned in other comments, but the 5200 also had the VCS adapter to allow it to play 2600 games. Granted only the 2 port units work without modification to the main console, but if you're going to mention the CVs expansion module 1 and mention of how the disk drive for the C-64 helps these systems out on the software selection, then it really is only fair to mention the 5200 and it's VCS adapter. Also quite a few 8-bit Atari computer cart based games have been converted to function on the 5200 and carts of those games can be made and purchased easily.
@jaekoff5050
@jaekoff5050 6 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more 8-bit Atari computers
@RCAvhstape
@RCAvhstape 7 жыл бұрын
Atari FTMFW! When I was a little kid me and my friends lusted after an Atari 800 computer. I never saw one in person until much later. I think that fact that it's more than just a gaming machine and you can actually program it makes it a more fun machine for the hobbyist. I learned how to program on a Timex/Sinclair 1000 and wrote some pretty simple action games using Sinclair BASIC. I still have that machine and it still worked last time I plugged it in.
@scarosone14
@scarosone14 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I collect for the 7800and colecovision. Two of my favorites.
@HCRAYERT.
@HCRAYERT. 6 жыл бұрын
Dude, you are one of my favorite KZfaqrs right now
@ScottLahteine
@ScottLahteine 7 жыл бұрын
The Atari 400 (with B-key keyboard upgrade) was the first and my favorite computer to develop for. The "display list" idea works brilliantly to make interesting displays of mixed text and graphics, and I like how the concept was duplicated on the Amiga, along with vertical blank interrupts and all that old-school trickery we had to do. AtariBASIC could get you pretty far, but it was very slow, so it was worth it to learn 6502 assembly just to get decent performance. I never managed to publish any of the games or utilities I wrote for the Atari, but later I did publish some Amiga titles. It was a crazy period for developers. Recently I started to work on improving the state-of-the-art for developing Atari Computer software on the macOS platform (or anywhere that Sublime or Atom editors run). I've posted a pretty smart error-catching AtariBASIC language syntax for the Sublime editor at github.com/thinkyhead/6502-Tools (also for Atom soon). Also included is a 6502 Assembler Sublime syntax designed to work better with Atari 6502 source code, both 2600 and 8-bit computer. (Still needs macro-assembler support.) I've also started working on a new macOS version of the "Atari800" emulator that will be usable as part of a development workflow (and not have broken sound). "Altirra" could also be a good starting-point, but it's written for Windows, so I'm just aiming to get a new build of "Atari800MacX" (old UI) for now, gradually update its interfaces, and will apply fixes needed to pass the Altirra acid tests in the future. My hope is to make it easier for homebrew enthusiasts to develop for one of the coolest platforms of the 8-bit era, and to see how far the old platform can be pushed, especially when integrated into today's networked environment of limitless storage. #RetroGaming #ClassicComputing #AtariAge
@Atari2600_Dude
@Atari2600_Dude 7 жыл бұрын
The XEGS is an underrated system, great video :)
@IrishCarney
@IrishCarney 4 жыл бұрын
It's just a bit under the NES in graphic quality though. Perfectly fine on its own terms, but do a head to head comparison of the two systems for any game they both had, and I think the XEGS only wins with Joust.
@marklechman2225
@marklechman2225 5 жыл бұрын
I made the Atari 800 my primary console for classic arcade gaming about 5 years ago because of its huge library and great specs. The fact that the platform ran for so long (1979 - 1992) is likely why there are so many games for it. My favorite thing to play is Missile Command with the 2600 track-ball. If you want to try it, plug in a trackball, switch the controller’s toggle to T, and then type Ctrl-T on the keyboard. It’s a friggin’ blast, so much better than the 2600 version.
@LukegaX
@LukegaX 7 жыл бұрын
tnx for this awesome review :D
@TalonTheRetroGamer
@TalonTheRetroGamer 7 жыл бұрын
Good video, but I noticed a little error. Popeye was in fact developed for the NES; I even have a cartridge of it.
@dabh0568
@dabh0568 7 жыл бұрын
yea
@dabh0568
@dabh0568 7 жыл бұрын
he is not the best wiht nes and snes
@MaximRecoil
@MaximRecoil 4 жыл бұрын
These are _not_ arcade games: H.E.R.O. Jumpman Lode Runner Miner 2049er Montezuma's Revenge Pitfall Pitfall II Pitstop River Raid There were arcade ports of Lode Runner and Pitfall II, but they were both originally home computer/console games.
@toonman361
@toonman361 7 жыл бұрын
I am always astounded at your ability to do screen captures on these old machines... and your slick editing. You are one talented guy! Also, I owned a Radio Shack Color Computer which used cartridges, although it probably was proprietary. Thanks for making this.
@Biscuit-Triscuit
@Biscuit-Triscuit 7 жыл бұрын
Congrats, my new favorite KZfaq channel
@woodstockthebird379
@woodstockthebird379 7 жыл бұрын
Welp, since two of these consoles have voice synthesizers on them, I thought I'd make this reference.... BEEEEEE SEVENTEEEEEEN BAWWWMER!
@exidy-yt
@exidy-yt 4 жыл бұрын
WHOOPS!! THAYT WHUZ NAWT A TARRRRGET!!!! Speaking of IntelliVoice, Gotta say Space Spartans with IntelliVoice was an absolutely excellent Star Raiders ripoff and superior to the Atari 2600 version of Star Raiders, without needing the extra controller pad that 2600 Star Raiders did, making it a $90 game. You were better off with Starmaster. Nothing will touch the Atari 400/800 version of Star Raiders however. First game to get that Star Wars 'streaming stars' hyperspace effect right, along with everything else that made it awesome.
@LivingWithTheGuzmans
@LivingWithTheGuzmans 6 жыл бұрын
Good video and info thanks
@Tretheperson
@Tretheperson 3 жыл бұрын
you are spam!
@Roboat06
@Roboat06 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tretheperson No kidding, why do they comment on a bunch of retro gaming and technology-related videos? They just don't seem like the type that would be interested. Funny to think that they would probably get more views if they were a channel that uploaded that sorta stuff, rather than whatever those monstrosities of videos on their channel are.
@TheRealColBosch
@TheRealColBosch 7 жыл бұрын
Well, you've inspired me to pick up an old C64. Because I really needed another hobby involving obsolete electronic equipment. Thanks. :D
@cowboysface2468
@cowboysface2468 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this channel! subscribed
@RickyVinnie
@RickyVinnie 7 жыл бұрын
This is in my opinion your best video so far, awesome
@Pr.Shadocko
@Pr.Shadocko 7 жыл бұрын
And what about the master system? It is also an 8 bit old video game console isn't it? SEGA wasn't popular in north America?
@MrOpenGL
@MrOpenGL 7 жыл бұрын
The Dreamcast was very popular. There was even an emulator called Bleemcast that could make the Dreamcast run Playstation games with improved graphics.
@neilland8209
@neilland8209 7 жыл бұрын
I thought only SEGA made games for it, hence the lack of arcade titles.
@jasonblalock4429
@jasonblalock4429 7 жыл бұрын
The Mark III / Master System was really only popular in South America and some parts of Europe. It was considered a failure in both Japan and the USA.
@Ultimady
@Ultimady 7 жыл бұрын
Even if he'd counted it for this list, it would've been dead last. Something like 5-6 of the games he chose were even on the thing.
@Rokios
@Rokios 7 жыл бұрын
Jason Blalock No, it was extremely popular in Europe and Australasia. Was a lot Cheaper than the NES and 8-bit PCs were dying at this point due to the 16-bit so it had its niche.
@c208captain
@c208captain 7 жыл бұрын
Dude! Thanks for mentioning the Sinclair Spectrum. My brother and I spent hours mashing those super soft buttons when we were wee little tykes. I hope you can get one some day
@modernoptix94
@modernoptix94 7 жыл бұрын
all your videos are so good
@CSanykdotCom
@CSanykdotCom 6 жыл бұрын
"I won't be including any 16-bit systems..." Actually, the Intellivision's CPU was a 16-bit General Instrument CP1610. It was not of the "16-bit era" that we think of today (Genesis, SNES, TurboGrafx-16) but it was 16-bit.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 2 жыл бұрын
Neither the Intellivision nor the TI-99/4A had the power expected of 16-bit computers/consoles, so the fact that they were indeed 16-bit was a technicality, not a meaningful description.
@CSanykdotCom
@CSanykdotCom 2 жыл бұрын
@@rbrtck it is literally accurate that Intellivision had a 16-bit cpu. It was a 16-bit system from 1979, so obviously not of the same capabilities as 16-bit systems from the 1990s. But to say Intellivision was 16-bit is indeed meaningful, as well as technically accurate.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 2 жыл бұрын
@@CSanykdotCom Even typical 16-bit systems of the *1980s* , such as the Amiga, Atari ST, or IBM PC, were significantly more powerful than both the Intellivision and TI-99/4A. For that matter, there were also 8-bit systems that were more powerful. What did being 16-bit *mean* to the public? It meant that a system was more powerful in many respects than 8-bit systems, but this wasn't true of the two systems we're discussing, even in comparison with their contemporaries. It is a literal fact that they are 16-bit systems, but it does not mean they are more powerful than 8-bit systems, such as the C64 (1982), Atari 8-bit (1979), or NES (1983 in Japan). Therefore the Intellivision and TI-99/4A are not 16-bit in a meaningful, informative way for the public. The perception that it creates in people's minds does not match the reality. Being 16-bit does not make these particular systems more powerful, even in 1979 and 1981 (their years of introduction). I'm not trying to pick on them, or anything like that. I just keep hearing lately that they're 16-bit systems, which superficially seems impressive, but they were pretty much on-par with 8-bit systems of their time, and not quite as powerful as some. So aside from being interesting trivia, what does this fact actually *mean* , as in what does it imply about them in comparison to contemporary systems that were not 16-bit? It means nothing--absolutely nothing, no offense intended.
@CSanykdotCom
@CSanykdotCom 2 жыл бұрын
@@rbrtck meaningful to the public isn't relevant. It's meaningful that the intv was a 16-bit system. It's meaningful to people who understand what it means. In 1979, I don't recall Mattel marketing the system as a 16-bit system, because at the time the public wouldn't have understood what that meant. Arguably the public really didn't understand what it meant even when Sega was hyping the Genesis. Bus width is merely one spec out of many that can indicate the relative capability of a system, but there's a lot more to it than that, most of which is not something you can communicate to kids in a 30 second TV commercial. But if you put INTV and Atari 2600 side by side and compare the two, you can readily see Intellivision has superior capabilities, and part of that is due to the fact that the cpu is 16-bit. More of it is to do with INTV having more memory, and better video and audio hardware. But the cpu does have something to do with it. (And yet, for all INTV's superiority, Atari had markershare, library, and cost advantages, which prevented Mattel from overtaking Atari as industry leader.) It's not just interesting trivia. In 1979, a hardware engineer will understand that the Intellivision has a capability to do more than the Atari VCS it was designed to compete against, providing potential to create a more complex, deeper game, with better graphics. That's clearly a meaningful, not trivial difference, and one the public could comprehend, even if they wouldn't understand system architecture in a meaningful way, they most certainly could see it on screen.
@poi220
@poi220 7 жыл бұрын
But there was Popeye for NES. Actually it was black box game!
@joicemedia
@joicemedia 7 жыл бұрын
What a great job you are doing. Keep on the good way!
@LetsPlayZombieGames
@LetsPlayZombieGames 7 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Glad the TI-99 4/A got a mention.
@slapout7
@slapout7 7 жыл бұрын
Montezuma's revenge on the 8-bit Atari computers was awesome
@lordevyl8317
@lordevyl8317 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but he's strictly talking about ARCADE ports. Montezuma's revenge was never an arcade game
@derekchristenson5711
@derekchristenson5711 3 жыл бұрын
To this day, decades later, the tongue-in-cheek name of that game cracks me up! lol
@HappySnoutHour
@HappySnoutHour 7 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute! Many of those games on your list were never released in the arcade like H.E.R.O., Jumpman, Miner 2049er, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitfall, Pitstop and River Raid. Some of the games were eventually ported to the arcade but first appeared on Home Computers & consoles like Choplifter & Pitfall II (Which were made by Sega) and Load Runner (which was made by Irem) so I don't understand why they are on your list.
@brycemcvaney6457
@brycemcvaney6457 7 жыл бұрын
They're still "arcade games", even if they aren't actually arcade games. It's a genre, kind of.
@HappySnoutHour
@HappySnoutHour 7 жыл бұрын
You're wrong. I grew up with arcade games when we only called them as such when they were ported on to a console. Hell even on Wikipedia's list of video games gernes there is so such thing as an "arcade" game.
@brycemcvaney6457
@brycemcvaney6457 7 жыл бұрын
See, that's why I said "kind of". It's not an official genre like RPGs, adventure games, etc. Look at this: www.quora.com/What-is-the-arcade-video-game-genre
@NesrocksGamingVideos
@NesrocksGamingVideos 7 жыл бұрын
Pitfall 2 and Montezuma's Revenge are nothing like arcade games...
@HappySnoutHour
@HappySnoutHour 7 жыл бұрын
Bryce I remember the '80s & '90s like the back of my hand and I don't remember anyone referring to games like Pitfall & River Raid as an arcade game. As mentioned before all the people I knew only called something an "arcade" game if it was ported to a console. I remember all the oddball terminology that people made up back then (e.g. like how some people I knew then used to call cartridges "cassettes") and never heard anyone referring to them as an arcade game.
@BERNARJE
@BERNARJE 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know why but this is really entertaining. great job
@MadeByJoey
@MadeByJoey 7 жыл бұрын
This was fun, thank you!
@mheermance
@mheermance 6 жыл бұрын
The Atari 8-bit line was awesome. It came out years before the C64, but compared favorably.
@scottbreon9448
@scottbreon9448 5 жыл бұрын
Except the Atari 400 had a really horrible keyboard. The 800 keyboard was a thing of beauty, but the 400 keyboard was a shitty membrane keyboard, and membrane keyboards are god awful. They are second only to chicklet keys as the worst type of keyboard you could use
@atariandre5014
@atariandre5014 4 жыл бұрын
Scott Breon the 400 was intended to be released WITHOUT a keyboard....the only reason why it got one was that the marketing guys LOVED Star Raiders and it required a keyboard to be played....so don’t complain too hard 😁
@kevmorris3000
@kevmorris3000 4 жыл бұрын
Owning the Atari 800 back in the day, I knew the answer right away. I loved playing the computer games that were every bit as good as the arcade versions.
@rbrtck
@rbrtck 2 жыл бұрын
Owning both, I would actually say that the C64 was a little bit better for classic arcade games, but there were fewer such games on cartridges specifically, and much fewer of each cartridge made. In fact, it wasn't unusual for a typical C64 owner back in the day to own no game cartridges at all. Obviously the Atari 8-bit deserves the overall win here, although it's strange that the 5200 is missing so many titles, given that it has the same hardware as the Atari computers.
@Y0Y0Evan
@Y0Y0Evan 6 жыл бұрын
First video I watched from you. Ahhh, the good old days...
@FireFlux73
@FireFlux73 7 жыл бұрын
Great video... just love the 400...
@RetroAdventure
@RetroAdventure 7 жыл бұрын
Colecovision All The Way! I am surprised that the system does not have as many of those 40 titles. I do however, have an Atari XE system...I am going to have to dust it off now...
@RetroAdventure
@RetroAdventure 7 жыл бұрын
Still worth a play if you can find one! One of my favorite games was RootBeer tapper..
@ojeco
@ojeco 7 жыл бұрын
I know it's blasphemy for purists, but for those who are really unfamiliar with this era, a Nintendo NES Mini might be a good place to start. I pre-ordered it and I was so lucky that I received it before Christmas. I know that it is emulation and not the same thing is the actual NES, but I love it's library of games (even though it's not possible to add new ones), the HDMI support and ease of convenience. My only problem with it is the short controller cable. I know that's hard to buy one at this moment, but hopefully it won't be too long till Nintendo can manufacture and ship more.
@The8BitGuy
@The8BitGuy 7 жыл бұрын
I don't have a problem with that at all. I plan to get one myself as soon as I can find one in stock somewhere.
@jasonblalock4429
@jasonblalock4429 7 жыл бұрын
The NES Mini actually already has a software hack, no physical modding required. Just a willingness to plug it into a computer and run software of questionable origin that will undoubtedly break the warranty.
@Rodville
@Rodville 7 жыл бұрын
There are extention cables for the controllers and even a wireless option available that This DOes Not Compute did a review on.
@BADC0FFEE
@BADC0FFEE 7 жыл бұрын
+ojeco you are talking about mid '80s, while the video is focusing on 70s arcade games
@ojeco
@ojeco 7 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware, thanks. I will look it up, but so far, I haven't been able to try even all the built-in games, yet.
@Lorfarius
@Lorfarius 7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that!
@etziocr
@etziocr 3 жыл бұрын
Really great video.
@musclesmouse
@musclesmouse 6 жыл бұрын
wow, I had the 600xl as my 1st system. I didnt know how lucky I was.
@jeremycline9542
@jeremycline9542 6 жыл бұрын
The more footage I see, the more I think I'd be interested in a 7800, bad sound aside.
@user-tb5ns7hc5i
@user-tb5ns7hc5i 3 жыл бұрын
7800 had tremendous capability that was never exploited by the programmers at the time due to the crazy market at the time. It had too few games released for it and the ones that were, were rushed and low quality given the power of that system. :(
@johnm7611
@johnm7611 7 жыл бұрын
2 days left at work! cant wait to see this years content!
@mswcap
@mswcap Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I don't have any vintage game console (sadly) but I do have a Raspberry Pi system with RetroPie on it, allowing me to emulate about 50 vintage game consoles, arcade included. So that enables me to relive the past with only a small computer and a (wireless) joystick.
@wojciechtechtips1602
@wojciechtechtips1602 7 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video about the g4 cube please?
@tomassmith374
@tomassmith374 7 жыл бұрын
Great Idea.
@plaidzior
@plaidzior 7 жыл бұрын
but he was the ibookguy and also a while ago he did a video on a g5 tower so it's not only 8 bit
@AcrOfSpades
@AcrOfSpades 7 жыл бұрын
wojtek lasik YES
@leiphf
@leiphf 7 жыл бұрын
always wanted to get to know that thing
@MrOpenGL
@MrOpenGL 7 жыл бұрын
Druaga1 did a video on the G4 cube.
@wizardgaming669
@wizardgaming669 6 жыл бұрын
Vectrex wasn't on this list but, I would like to mention it was ahead of its time. Amazing system.
@lordevyl8317
@lordevyl8317 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but as much as I love the Vectrex (I actually have a working one) there weren't many official arcade classics on it, but a lot of CLONES. He was specifically referring to official ports.
@tomypower4898
@tomypower4898 5 жыл бұрын
Wizard Gaming Yes many games
@scottbreon9448
@scottbreon9448 5 жыл бұрын
Tomy Power But little to no OFFICIAL arcade conversions which this video was actually about
@steji123
@steji123 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@einokeskitalo3217
@einokeskitalo3217 6 жыл бұрын
Lovely video, and good criteria, particularly the modern-day ease of use viewpoint is a good one to consider.
@AlexParr
@AlexParr 4 жыл бұрын
4:27 Actually, the 5200 did have a 2600 adapter available. Look it up sometime.
@colecovisionlives3139
@colecovisionlives3139 4 жыл бұрын
So does the Intellivision 2. However, I wouldn't give either credit because they are near impossible to obtain. I once searched for them for a year on eBay and none were listed.
@AlexParr
@AlexParr 2 жыл бұрын
@@colecovisionlives3139 Huh, never actually knew the Intellivision 2 had it's own version of the adapter. I'll have to look it up later.
@philmccracken6134
@philmccracken6134 7 жыл бұрын
I loved my Atari 1040ST, still miss it to this day.
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 5 жыл бұрын
I switched from Atari 8-bits to STs (a 520 then a 1040) when I was in college, and while in hindsight the Amiga might have been a better choice, I had a lot of fun with the ST. I taught myself C on it. Didn't get a huge number of games for it, though. One of my favorites was an obscure piece of shareware called Bolo (unrelated to the tank game of the same name); it was by Meinolf Schneider, later known for Oxyd, and it basically took the Breakout/Arkanoid formula and twisted it into more of a puzzle game. Brilliant and odd.
@paulstuttard1032
@paulstuttard1032 10 ай бұрын
I would love to see an additional criteria around faithfullness to the original arcade version. Great channel by the way, just discovered it and watching everything.
@dqwno4900
@dqwno4900 8 ай бұрын
5:24 Excellent catch!!
@HazeAnderson
@HazeAnderson 6 жыл бұрын
The TI-994a was my 1st computer. :) These days I just use my Ouya for classic game emulation. Was indeed surprised about the Atari 400/800.
@scottbreon9448
@scottbreon9448 5 жыл бұрын
The Ouya sucks, although it's great for emulation. Not as great as a pi or a mame cab though
@AnimalFacts
@AnimalFacts 7 жыл бұрын
I love that I can do all these and more on my Raspberry Pi. I have to admit, I spend a decent amount of time playing the inferior systems.
@HappyBeezerStudios
@HappyBeezerStudios 6 жыл бұрын
But then, it's still emulation and not the actual hardware. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes, but there is something special with setting up the stuff did it back then. Same way I enjoy the original version of Tetris for the Gameboy the most. It it is just the original.
@subzero8679
@subzero8679 6 жыл бұрын
Emulation is garbage
@navigabor6158
@navigabor6158 6 жыл бұрын
Why?
@MaceBlackmonSexyNerdRecords
@MaceBlackmonSexyNerdRecords 6 жыл бұрын
Cool videos! Love them! Oh by the way can you one day do some videos on the Starpath Supercharger & the Vectecx. Thanks!!
@The_Haze
@The_Haze 6 жыл бұрын
Love this vid. I sorta new the Atari 8-bit computer would be the winner from the start. Having one myself, I noticed that it has most of my arcade favorites on it... Good versions too!
@N7DRONES
@N7DRONES 7 жыл бұрын
of course the best way to play old 80s arcade games, pixel perfect is to get an arcade machine, with one of those cards that has about 400 of the 80s games on it... with no comprimises at all and the real arcade sticks and buttons...
@antibishonen
@antibishonen 7 жыл бұрын
6:55 Hey 8-bit Guy, slight mistake here as Popeye was released on Colecovision under the Parker Bros. label.
@Chocolatchips
@Chocolatchips 6 жыл бұрын
4:00 Jumpman, Load Runner and Pitstop are all available for the 2600 and the 7800. Qix is the only one missing and there's a dev community release of it.
@TheVigilantes15
@TheVigilantes15 7 жыл бұрын
you take me to the past. You just got a new suscriber.
@doodemog
@doodemog 7 жыл бұрын
Dandy for the 800 was great 4 player game
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 5 жыл бұрын
The inspiration for Gauntlet!
@Asterra2
@Asterra2 7 жыл бұрын
In fairness, several of the listed games (Choplifter, Jumpman, H.E.R.O., Lode Runner, Miner 2049er, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitstop, River Raid) were either never arcade games, or were ports of the computer/console originals that were then often essentially unknown in arcades and thus not "arcade classics" by the strictest definition. Also, it may be a little unfair to ding a platform for having a good arcade port that just happens to be purposefully misnamed. For example, the Vic-20 may not have a "Space Invaders" but if you go hunting for "Vic Avenger" on KZfaq, you will be pleasantly surprised.
@djhindsight
@djhindsight 7 жыл бұрын
Asterra2 exactly.
@Nestalgba92023
@Nestalgba92023 2 ай бұрын
Since his list has included arcade games in 1984, so why not Paper boy and Kung-fu Master?
@pierresavoie
@pierresavoie 2 жыл бұрын
The Intellivision console had a few arcade games that was especially made for Mattel: Lock'n'Chase, Burgertime, Bump'n'Jump, Mission X.
@atarileaf
@atarileaf 6 жыл бұрын
This is an interesting video for me as it falls directly in my wheelhouse. My primary passion is home ports of arcade games from the late 70's and early 80's. As a result I've always gravitated to systems playing those titles. As such I've purged much of my collection and focused strictly on the Atari 2600/7800/XEGS and the NES which combined have a great library of classic arcade ports. I enjoy, for example, playing the different versions of Donkey Kong on all these systems despite the limitations of some. As others have mentioned, several titles you mentioned do appear on the NES like Popeye and others came out on the famicom which can be played on the NES via a famicom-to-NES adapter which is smaller than a cart and not bulky like some of the other add ons you showed.
@atarileaf
@atarileaf 6 жыл бұрын
Also it's worth mentioning that many of the 2600 games, despite having inferior graphics, many times have the more enjoyable ports. Some examples are Millipede, Bump n Jump and Solar Fox
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