The deeper I get into this hobby. The greater my appreciation for you. Thanks!🍻

There are plenty of channels on KZfaq to see what a quadcopter can do. This is the best place to find out how and why it is doing it !! Thanks JB

I've spent 3 years constantly experimenting & pondering these settings (and pids). Even though I know this stuff, I still have to stop & really think about it sometimes especially when trying to explain it to others. The way you articulated it all is just fantastic man (especially summing it up at 17:13). VERY appreciated.

Thanks for everything you do Josh. This vid helped a lot. I'm 6 months into Fpv and used my rates, Dribs rates and Stingys rates. Tried yours today, and with a little tweaking I feel I'm in the right spot now. Understanding is key. Love the way you explain things. 👍

Man, you can not imagine the funcking big impact on the race performance I got moving the rates as low as you tell!!! I have flown not for a very big time, but its unbelibable, than i did not realized that before this video. I have seen tons of your videos, but this one made my day. Not made my entre flight time. Thanks a lot!!!!!

This is amazing, just spent 15 mins on velocidrone fiddling with this and I've already beaten my previous fastest lap times by loads, thanks!

Whoa, you do a fantastic job explaining the rates. Just getting into freestyle FPV and I am addicted. Going to try your different rates see how I like them over your old rates. You add more to this hobby then anyone else on the internet. I highly respect all the work that goes into your videos. They are all extremely educational. Keep up the great work. I will be supporting you in the near future, because you deserve it!!!

I've tried to figure this out for like a month and now it all makes sense. Thank you so much.

Great video man. I am a racer and I have been spending a lot of time tuning my rates and seeing how they affect my times. What I also find is the more camera tilt I am running I need to evolve my rates with those changes as well. Keep up the great work.

Joshua, this is the single most helpful video I have ever seen on tuning. Thanks for making it!!!

Man, the first time you go back to one of your freestyle quads after slow rates... Madness.

Thanks, Joshua. I watch almost all of your videos. This was definitely one of the most enlightening for me. I learned recently when playing around with them that I prefer slightly slower rates for my freestyle. I think Le Drib is similar but I actually prefer slower more fluid movements and they are much easier to achieve with slower rates. I've flown mostly with rates over 1,000 deg/s and turning them down to around 500 - 700 made things feel much better to me. Now that you've taught me the theory behind each I feel very confident in dialing them in to my exact preference. Thank you very much for making this video. 👍

Excellent video! New pilot this year and fly 5-6 different quads that i picked up and have never messed with any rates, time I tune em! Didn’t think it was really that big of a deal

Hey I just wanted to say thank you for the videos!! I appreciate you taking the time to explain everything and have it make sense. I just bought my first drone from a friend who races/freestyles and tuning it down made it much more manageable. I felt like there was a huge disconnect from the simulator to the real drone and i found it in my friends tuning. I can not wait until i can fly it comfortably in those values.

Always great info josh. The more experienced I get and come back to your vids again for more tweaking. You always help out greatly. Thanks for all your work man

Thanks Joshua, glad you explained the way rates effect stick. Exactly what I was looking for, as a noob I was wanting to slow my input to output ratio. Now I know how. :)

Thanks for all the help you provide in these videos. Been waiting on parts to build and going through your library to prepare.

Josh, I taught for many, many years, and recognize good teaching, although I'm sure everyone watching your channel recognizes it. Great job!

Yet another informative piece of work from JB. You Sir are crucial to the growth of this Hobby.

I really appreciate the detail in your videos. I had trouble today and your vids got me going again. Thanks a bunch!

The deeper I get into this hobby. The greater my appreciation for you. Thanks!

Thanks for another super informative video. Never really tried combining s.rate + expo differently for racing and freestyle. Will give it a shot soon using your tips.

Hi Joshua. I have a tinyhawk s and I have been able to finally understand the rates and setups from your videos 👍Thanks for being awesome ✌

Omg... I cannot believe it. Why didn't I think of this before. I literally saved 15 seconds of my 3 lap track time by reducing the rate.. this is in Liftoff... But still. Thank you so much.

since i read your blog i have been trying to race with race rate. i have not been successfull until i watched this video. i was using s rate to get the degree/s i needed.. the problem was the middle is too sluggish and i had to more the stick further away from centre and then the rate jump. today i used rc rate to achieve the degree/s i wanted and used a bit of expo to slightly soften the middle while keeping the rest of the curve relatively linear. oh man it was great. thanks so much!

Excellent job on explaining these values. I am definitely more of what I would call a "precision flyer"/park flyer, flying through tight areas, like through the neighbor's gazebo, through tree branches, etc. I realized that as I approach the target (neighbor's porch door) and the space narrows, I have to make small, precise movements to accomplish this. The sticks are mostly at dead center at this point and a little too sensitive for me taste. Now I understand that I can change this through those settings in Betaflight. Thanks for the video, Joshua!

Thanks JB . Been flying for a year now and was feeling that my rates are holding me back.

Awesome explanation! Always learn something new when I watch your show! thank you!

Your analogy using f1 car and simi.... THANK YOU . Total sense.... now ill continue watching lol

I've been waiting for this video. Awesome. My son and I have just been learning to explore and adjust them in BF and your video came along at the right time. Merry Xmas to you and your family from CA.

After watching this video, I went to Liftoff and played with the rates. I increased my rates for freestyle flying and decreased my rates and tried racing. Holy cow! You're right, with the lower rates I shaved several seconds off my best lap times and with higher rates my freestyle flying felt more like how I want it to. Thanks for the education!

Thank you! I'm starting on FPV. I got the DJI FPV, but instead of destroying it, I got a Mobula 6, which I'm discovering is a lot of fun. I am loving the fact that we can fly it everywhere, including at home, but the rates were too high. I had no idea how to change that or even how to understand it. Thanks to you, I've learned something today 😀😉

Thank you for all the time you put into this!!! Helps soooooo much!!

Great descriptions, I've always wondered what the differences are between super rates and expo since you can create the same curve using different settings between these two. This clears that up a bit.

Thank you, great video. I used the settings from your BetaFlight ultimate guide tutorial to fly in simulation with my taranis, I ended up bumping the pitch and roll to 1080dps and the yaw to something between 7 or 800dps. Worked wonders! To top it off today I went out with my neighbour to fly his drones, it was my first time flying a drone whilst my own talon is waiting for last parts to complete it. He congratulated me on the amount of control I had over his drones and how I was flying, all I said was “Joshua Bardwell tutorials and simulator time” I was honestly surprised to how well the flights went, it was only line of sight but now I have the confidence to maiden the Talon, all thanks to your advice. Honestly these videos are so so valuable. I’d say 80 to 90% of what I know is because of your channel from software & hardware to soldering techniques.

Great video, watched it twice and I still have trouble wrapping my brain around it

Bardwell you in my search history???? I was literally just trying to do this today for the first time!! High five! Thanks for doing this video!!!

This is not too complicated but VERY hard to explain and you do a great job of explaining the hard to explain 👍

Thanks for all the time you put in to these videos. Your the best!

Well over due ,but a really good straight forward and short explanation video. I have been really trying hard to get an understanding of this and about a week ago I decided just to spend a entire day playing around with rates and tweeking my PIDS and as a result accidently discovered how much of a difference in flight performance this made between using 5" props RC rate low Super Rate high and 6"props RC Rate high Super Rate low ! I had been trying to tune and reduce vibration on my quad when flying 6" props and getting nowhere ,but after reversing the rates and slight tweek in the PIDS ,it made a huge difference ,no more vibration and smother rolls and pitches.Funny thing is just prior to your video Timmy RC made a similar video "I think from my request" and explained the subject really well and I agree with you ,to understand this you have to just play around with rates to see how they feel for you as its a personal thing ,everyone is going to be different .

great video! somehow all week, topics that I have been researching or looking deeper into, you've released a video covering. bags, smartport, cmos cams and now rates (which i've been toying with all week.) one thing I've been doing to try to get a better understanding of the feel of the changes was tweeking numbers in the liftoff simulator, which uses a copy of betaflight and is pretty accurate, at least enough to feel differences and figure out what I want to try out in real life.

Thank you josh for these videos! They are helping a noob like me out abunch!

Another excellent video JB. I've been looking for a decent video that explains Rates well for a while and tend to only come across PID tuning videos which assume everyone understands Rates. I actually started out setting my rates based on the Freestyle Dynamic preset in the Liftoff simulator as that's what I got used to in the simulator and it actually worked much better than I expected, but based on your video I have a lot more idea on where to go from there now, as I'm still not 100% happy with it and I also need to do PID tuning on my quad, but have held off doing so as most videos suggest using your normal rates to tune with and I don't really have a rate I'm 100% comfortable with yet.

Thank you Joshua, this will help me get better control and stop it being so twitchy. Only just got in to this hobby and flown maybe 9 packs

Super informative video, Barney style to us noobs, thanks Joshua, very easy to follow and understand.

Thanks meen , i was new in fpv and u have so much great videos !!!! Thaks a lot bardwell :D greetings from austria

Thank you very much, JB. Happy weekend 🙏👍😁❤️

Best explanation i have ever heard.Great video.

Great explanation Joshua. I previously did not know what superrates were.. so i've learned something today :)

Thank you for making it easy again as all ways keep up the good work.

BOOOOM!!! Thats so funny, i gust swaped motors and bought new ESC's SPEDIX ES 30A and was re-doing rates on my 6"this morning!!!

Been flying R/C aircraft for 15 years, and just recently got into Quads. I'm hooked!!!

Excellent explanation, Bardwell. Thanks!

Great video man! Really helped me out!

Thank you so much man. It totally helps a newbie like me.

Thank you. You are absolutely amazing.

helped me out a ton, very clear explenation, thanks!

I love these vids, although I admit they are boring, there is so much amazingly useful information

perfect explanation. Thanks it helps me a lot!!!!

Very well explained, thank you, I'm starting to like you more and more .

Thank you for the helpful info. I just started adjusting / testing rates on a 5” freestyle and a 7” photography quad. This is great!

Amazing video!!! Helped me so much

Interesting to see Joshua. That bit at 14:45. When people started getting accustomed to using super rate, the unwritten rule was "don't use expo". I never bought into that and I've always added extra expo. This simply because you can get a curve with rate and super rate, but there are specific curves you can't get without adding expo. The math only adds up to so much. I like a lot of expo, because I freestyle and race with the same rates. At one time I was running 1.4/.72/.45. I've been pushing my rates further and further down to improve my racing, yet still be able to freestyle. Now I'm at 1.25/.71/35... But as you can see, I always add some extra expo.

This vid is GOLDEN!

Thanks for all the help!

As expected, very informative. Thanks.

i really needed this !!

Hey Bardwell finally a good and understandable video about rates and how it affects the stick control I can suggest a bit of animation to explain ( because is hard to understand) will be fantastic

I subscribe to your channel because you explain things well. I use a lot of your knowledge in my hobby i have been flying since the multiwii i'm not the best at flying but I think i'm more into it for the science .Just wanted to say thanks, your well appreciated.

Nice video. Like your style. Thanks

It seems people adjust stuff on the right first before the actual individual pids, then like everything they adjusted is more so for "to the plastic" or near full stick movements. Then its like well are you adjusting your rates to how you prefer to fly, or are you adjusting then trying to manage flying at some rates your not accustomed to. I guess technically you could do either or if your a hands on person and can understand and dig down to realize what to tune or back off/add onto.

That preliminary info was great.

dear Johsua you are simply the best .... how to explain things (although unfortunately I do a bit of effort to follow you in English but I can do it slowly) and I really appreciate the effort you put into it. even if I am Italian I like to follow all your videos and try to understand as much as I can. I would like you to help me set up the PID ... RATE ... and all the rest of my raging f3 according to your ideas that are always accurate and admirable. I have a furutee fuuton 200 ... flyghtcontroller KAKUTE F3 aio .... betaflight 3.2.2 ... sure of your collaboration I thank you in advance and I send you my sincerest greetings .. thanks Roberto ...

What a great explanation

Excellent as always - thank you Love BF and never have any tuning issues - same quad same motors same props on Kiss just is a nightmare 😞 Chameleon - starting to think Kiss doesn’t like unibody

love the details..... Thank you!

Damn fine job on this info Joshua. Thank you. Jeff

This is so helpful, thanks!

Steele has high rates at full stick deflection but he uses Super Rate and RC Expo to change the Rate curve so that the center is more doughy. Look at Stingerswarms rates, his are exactly like Steeles but with a load of Expo added onto it.

Hi Josh, love your videos! I followed your build for my DJI FPV build on an iFlight DC5 HD frame. This was my first build and I’m new to FPV. I have little experience with tiny indoor drones. I feel that my sticks are very very sensitive so it’s been difficult to control the drone. Again I followed your build without making any changes. What’s your suggestions on rates for a full DJI setup (DJI transmitter, air unit and goggles)? Thank u 🙏

Thanks for the video! You rock!

Thanks man, Great info!

I have 2 profiles - 1 freestyle, 1 racing. Racing is ~450 deg/sec and freestyle is ~900, but they feel nearly identical in most of the stick travel. I basically tuned my freestyle rates so that the middle to ~75% stick deflection feels pretty much the same as my racing rates. This way it is pretty easy to switch from racing to freestyle as they feel nearly identical apart from the very ends. You can do this by setting a stick to a certain position in 'race' profile, looking at the degrees and then trying to match it in your freestyle profile by adjusting expo/super rate. Do this in multiple stick positions along the curve.

Thanks for help me out with my rates

I’m going to go “booom” (3 O’s) .. you’re a classic love your work mate we owe you

Excellent Video, Truly Excellent!!!

This is good stuff

Joshua, great video per usual. One point I'm not sure you got across quite clearly. RC-expo actually softens the quad movement around the center of the stick. In other words it gives you a wider band of stick movement to be more precise within. If that's what you meant then I just didn't pick it up that way when I listened.

Cheers Joshua learnt again, safe journey home from that hotel room.

thanks, great explanation

Hey @Joshua Bardwell , Big fan! I am having an issue with my taranis qx7 where the left roll is significantly slower than the right roll. I am having a tough time finding a fix for this in betaflight and whether it is my radio or the drone settings. Any help would be so greatly appreciated, I am new to the hobby and am loving it so far, you're stuff has been a huge help.

I know this is old, but you should do a video on throttle expo and midpoint as well. This is what has helped me the most since the very sensitive throttle is what I was fighing the most. My early simulator flights and then again when I moved to my physical quad were full of throttle over correction. Put your throttle position on your OSD with a flat curve, find out where your quad is neutrally bouyant for both your hover in place and where you fly level. Then set the midpoint somewhere in the middle of those number (worked well for me) and then add in some throttle expo. the more expo you put there, the more 'sticky' your throttle will get to that mid position. So you can more easily hold a level line. This was actually quite hard for me on my physical quad because it was so damn touchy on throttle it hovers stable at like 15% throttle. That is WAY too touchy for my stupid fingers, heh.

I've watched this like a hundred times. It's finally making sense. I lowered the rates, for me, it felt a whole lot more in sync with what my brain was trying to do. I upped the rate and it was like "oh my God". I'm not there 100%. More playing with settings and tons more stick time. I won't be the best FPV pilot ever. But, well, whatever... At the end of the day, I'll have had fun flying and that my friend is worth GOLD. Now get out there and rip balls!!!

Thanks Joshua, Thanks, thank, thanks alot.. Your explaining about rate in fpv and you take f1 steering as sample let me 100%understand what actually rate means in fpv stick controller.. I see many video about rate just to understand before i move my thorttle at first time.. All my fpv such a drone, transmitter, lipo, charger and everything has delivered... Now im just want to bind, set betaflight,flightmode,rate and all and start fly.. And what your opinion about my first quad?? Iflight turbobee120rs v4.. And im gonna use 2×2s 300mAh lipo and 1×3s 300mAh lipo for my first fly? Are that lipo ok? Im afraid high rating mAh will get my drone will go down everywhere..

hi joshua bardwell normally u leave the throttle curve alone? I am fly both fpv and simulator but in the "sim" flying in carpark is like impossible the throttle is so hard to control i try for a few hours and i tweak my throttle curve it make it easier to control. Can you share some point u feel that can improve throttle management at tunning? I also try out your firgure 8 pratice on real FPV my throttle is like so bad that it go up and down the turn. can share some tips here Beside keep praticing and other way to train or gauge the feel?

Very helpful. I've had a hard time tuning rates, keep bouncing up and down looking for the feel I want. I almost had what I wanted using radio rates, but transferring them to Betaflight has been harder than I expected. Betaflight doesn't translate from standard "radio" rates well and seems to require a different approach. I think now I understand the Betaflight tools better. I'm hoping once I learn how to use them properly, I'll find that Betaflight outperforms my radio setup, and it will be nice to be doing it as intended. Thanks!

IN the video you talk about freestyle and race rates. What would you lean more toward for indoor flying? Race rates will give control, but freestyle type of rate will give the quickness to avoid objects.

The idea of zero S.Rate and adding expo for racing!! I must try that 👍💪

Hi Joshua, I think tuning rates depends on whether you are a pincher flier on the sticks vs. a thumb flier. Less precision makes the rates seem more out of control and perhaps faster/ harder to control. I use slower rates because I am a thumb flier. What do you think? Thanks for the great instructions!

what kind of changes do you recommend in rc, super and expo rates in a stock betaflight configuration, for a 2-inch brushless quad, in order for it to behave more smoothly for indoor flying those cold days of winter..? is it possible to tune it in way so that it could fly like a whoop?