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Bethel Evangelist Explains The Gospel - Remnant Interview With Tom Crandall
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Күн бұрынBethel Evangelist Explains The Gospel - Remnant Interview With Tom Crandall
I am often told that Bethel Church in Redding California does not preach the TRUE Gospel. But is that true? If you watch Remnant you will know that we are not Bethel fan boys. We have been rightfully critical of the "physics of heaven", the teachings they sell of Bob Jones traveling to heaven, and the frequent retractions. Yet I have not seen anything out of Bethel that would suggest they preach a "different gospel". That is a hefty claim we are unwilling to endorse.
Well ,while we were at the send conference we bumped into this guy eating a philly cheesesteak sandwich. Turns out, he is the evangelist on staff at Bethel Redding. With literally no prep-time Tom swallows the rest of his philly cheesesteak and heads down to Kansas City Chiefs locker room to film a podcast with two guys he has never met and never heard of. The following footage is from sed interview.
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@connermcginnis 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! His presentation of the gospel was one of the best I’ve ever heard!
@agapecenterministries9980 2 жыл бұрын
I want everyone watching this video to notice what Josh and Michael are doing here regarding being peaceful and loving. I have had these kind of conversations with folks who I consider brothers and even sisters but I lovingly disagree with. I can tell that some of the things he is saying are hard for them to chew on but keep they keep silent to be peaceful. Acknowledging what he is saying to show respect. Some folks you talk to about things like this you know that you cannot debate them, but pray for them. Well done brothers.
@justin.m.drummond 2 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation of the Gospel! I was honestly expecting less. I hope this message is preached all throughout Bethel's ministry. I am still concerned with other parts of Bethel and would disagree with some points after his presentation of the Gospel, but thank you for these interviews which are clarifying a lot! Also thank you for the healthy conversation through doctrinal differences.
@jethrokingsley8903 Жыл бұрын
Thoroughly blessed by this conversation. I've got my girlfriend listening to you guys and it is enriching our relationship. I've been wrestling with identity teaching for a while and so to hear that it is spoken about and affirmed in orthodox circles is so comforting. Ephesians 4:23, our new self is 'created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness'. Praise God. Thanks guys for your discussions, they build my faith.
@Liminalplace1 2 жыл бұрын
Mixed thoughts on this. I'd agree with him on sanctification and victory over sin....any modern theologian worth reading doesn't interpreted Romans 7 as Pauls experience. (Ask Craig Keener and Ben Werthigtom Iii) But I think his explanation of the gospel is the common free Grace view..where the gospel is the atonement and faith is accepting what Jesus did for us. That kind of preaching doesn't lead automatically into discipleship, just an assurance of sins forgiven. My reading of Luther and Calvin and some modern Theologians I think it's an inadequate gospel.. Rather we trust personally on Jesus because he died and rose again. It's not just trusting what he did was enough, but trusting him. Lordship salvation attempted to provide that but focused upon repentence and surrender too much and took the focus away from the person of Jesus. We need remember Jesus is alive and we can trust him personally as we trust other people.. This is the emphasis of the late Dallas Willard and somewhat like Scot McKnight it's just lacking in most churches.
@dandugo2020 9 ай бұрын
Just because it is modern doesn't mean it is the best answer. I say that as a generalization and maybe just food for thought.
@Liminalplace1 9 ай бұрын
@@dandugo2020 in that case the best evidence demonstrates what modern scholars are saying.. follow the evidence
@IamGrimalkin 2 жыл бұрын
As to whether he missed something, yet he did miss something: The resurrection. The resurrection is vital to the gospel, more important than many of the other things he mentioned. To be clear, obviously I'm not saying anyone on the show does not believe in the resurrection. But if they are neglecting that in their evangelism, that's going to make them much less effective.
@duncescotus2342 2 жыл бұрын
Well maybe, but the idea of the Son of Man being "lifted up" is a play on words, and the bronze snake on a stick was a type of him "who knew no sin" but "became sin for us."
@IamGrimalkin 2 жыл бұрын
@@duncescotus2342 I think you might have replied to the wrong person.
@duncescotus2342 2 жыл бұрын
@@IamGrimalkin No, I just screwed up. I was thinking of the crucifixion with regard to being "lifted up," which I think is it's true intention (at least in the verse in question) but as a phrase it sounds like it could be applied to the resurrection, and the ascension too for that matter. There's a lot of Jesus being "lifted up" in the new covenant. It also means the Gospel--when we lift him up by proclaiming Him. Thanks for listening to my ramblings.
@hisinfinitemercyministries9476 2 жыл бұрын
Another point to ponder, the serpent was from Genesis onwards a symbol of sin and was cursed by God. Jesus was lifted up on the cross, became sin for the world and was cursed, just as it was depicted in the symbolic representation of salvation in the wilderness. Amazing.
@BEABEREAN10 2 жыл бұрын
36:00 James is talking about the inner battle of our own thoughts and desires pulling us away. Paul is talking to the Ephesians about the attack from the enemy shooting the firey darts into your mind that you would never think of on your own....that would be the random crazy thoughts that run through everyone's head and makes you think "where did that come from?" Sometimes our problems are because of our own stupid desires, sometimes it's a spiritual attack, and if we don't take those thoughts captive, whether from inside or outside, it becomes ba stronghold in our life. Good stuff today Guys!
@wigglesworth3717 2 жыл бұрын
At 49 years old I had heard an array of Gospel explanations. Then I encountered the cross while lamenting over my own sin in light of the Book of Isaiah and was born again (palpably!) and I found out about the reality of the Holy Spirit finally after living in a delusional cult since birth, Christian Science.
@kerrihelsley3604 2 жыл бұрын
Hallelujah
@markrobertsministries 2 жыл бұрын
Amen.1st Corinthians 15 vs1-4 brother
@duncescotus2342 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting testimony, brother Doug. Do you see any parallels with faith teachers who stress healing and the kind of denial of the reality of evil/sickness that is part of Christian Science?
@duncescotus2342 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best explanations of the Gospel I've heard. Bethel gets the Good News. The bad news they don't get. Beware the 3 leavens which will steal your reward: 1. that of the Pharisees, formalism, legalism, conservativism, pride in righteousness, showmanship, domination of the laity, propaganda vs honesty, hiding vs transparency of conduct, hypocrisy, etc. 2. that of the Sadducees, excess of worldliness, faithlessness, liberalism, limitation of the supernatural, focusing on here and now rewards rather than eternal 3. that of Herod (and by extension the Herodians), rightful but corrupt leadership, liscenciousness, cooperation with worldly power "A little leaven infects the lump." Coach Johnson needs to teach this little kingdom principle. A good defense is a the best offense. No, I got that wrong. Whatever.
@Stilgar74 2 жыл бұрын
ironically one of Bill Johnson's best messages is on the 3 leavens :)
@duncescotus2342 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stilgar74 Naturally. I can preach for days on all my faults! But here's the thing. They don't really preach. They do the Reformed substitute which is "teach." And that's why they're Pharisees. Hearers and not doers. But since you replied, I'll let you in on a bit of revelation. Well, you can look it up. What is the "required" feast that has a leavened offering?
@justinhelin2752 2 жыл бұрын
We are positionally sinless - it’s because of His justification - that HE sees us that way. We still, obviously, have a sinful nature (flesh) and should see ourselves as striving toward holiness through His Spirit.
@Kintizen 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, otherwise we would need glorified bodies. It's the position of "it is, but not yet"
@IAmisMaster 2 жыл бұрын
Only Christians who do what is righteous by the power and grace of the Holy Spirit are positionally righteous (Romans 8:4). “Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.” - 1 John 3:7-8 (ESV)
@lindsaygraham9115 2 жыл бұрын
I agree!!
@PepeLeFunk 2 жыл бұрын
By means of the imputation of Christ’s Righteousness.
@IAmisMaster 2 жыл бұрын
@@PepeLeFunk Nowhere does the Bible say anyone is imputed the acts of Jesus Christ as if that person performed them. The Bible says we meet God's righteous requirement by walking in the Spirit (Romans 8:4) and doing what is righteous (1 John 3:7).
@annaboshier6680 2 жыл бұрын
What an awesome chat. Thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth
@ludwigvercuiel2211 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the latest content! Not too fond of the audio quality, not sure if you guys can tweak it in post
@Doublebassblake 2 жыл бұрын
Can you guys sit and look at each other directly and make sure the mics are right in front of you? Every time you turn to look at each other while you’re talking your voice cuts in and out and makes it difficult to hear the conversation. Great episode and conversation!
@stuarthys9879 2 жыл бұрын
His explanation of the gospel was rather confusing. I would expect an evangelist to be able to give a clear presentation of that. However, the discussion on sanctification was great. “Like iron sharpens iron”. Nice interview.
@jessebartunek3195 2 жыл бұрын
That was possibly the most confusing and round about answer I have ever heard, but at least it was pretty accurate. I really had a hard time following him.
@thegreatleviathon 2 жыл бұрын
This was great! Loved the friendly back and forth. Perhaps this may open the door for a full podcast with Him down the road. I could tell Rowntree was itching for some further "digesting" ;) Thank you for pursuing unity with other brothers (even if you may think differently on certain topics).
@justinhelin2752 2 жыл бұрын
1 John 1:8-10: KJV If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
@PoesieUndGlaube 2 жыл бұрын
Read on Chapter 2 Vers1: KJV My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. It states IF you sin, not WHEN you sin. If you expect yourself to sin you already missed the mark. He made you righteous brother, believe it don't doubt. For whatsoever is not of faith is sin Roman's 14:23.
@seanvann1747 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute sanctification is absolutely available for the here and now. 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24 [23]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. [24]Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. Do you not believe all things are possible with God? Do you think your flesh "old nature" is a "super power" that is greater than the Power that lives within the true beleiver? Romans 8:11-13 [11]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [12]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Too many "pastors" and "teachers" have no grid for this clear biblical truth WHY? Because they are allowing thier "experience" or lack thereof to dictate thier theology rather than the Holy Word of God. Be blessed all 🙌
@duncescotus2342 2 жыл бұрын
Good witness, brother Sean. "How much more shall he cleanse our consciences from dead works to serve the living God?" My two cents: the Holiness movement, which came out of the Methodist movement, stressed this "perfection" of the saints, but they knew they were missing something. Eventually, in several different places, the idea of Spirit baptism became to be believed, and this morphs into the Pentecostal movement. This history is interesting, and by no means entirely pure of motive or deed, while being genuine in supernatural occurrences. Holiness eventually drops out of Pentecostalism and we get a spin off into Charismatic neo-Pentecostalism. People got tired seeking the big signs and personal sanctification, and settled for tongues, emotionalism along with lots of praise in the old camp-meeting tradition, and lots of teaching of the Bible in the old Reformed tradition. This becomes new Evangelical orthodoxy, and here's where we get our mega-churches of today.
@marisademore468 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but can I humbly point out that this young man is mistaken when he said Cornelius did not hear the message of salvation. Acts 10:34-48 outlines what Peter said and in verse 43 he plainly says that whoever believes in Jesus will receive remission of sins. Cornelius knew exactly what God required in order to get right with God. There doesn't have to be a sinner's prayer spoken out loud, of course not, but God reads the heart and won't give His Holy Spirit to anyone unless He sees they've turned from sin to Jesus. Also, God said He confirms His Word with signs following so we can expect miracles to follow the preaching of the message of salvation. If not, how do we know which God/god did the healing? Jesus said it's better to enter heaven with one eye than have two eyes and go to hell. Hence, God is more interested in our eternal soul being saved than in our physical health. Hence we Christians do a great disservice to the name of Jesus if we attempt to go around healing people without explaining the urgent need for them to be reconciled with God. xx
@kalebbrandenburg 9 ай бұрын
His testimony was awesome.
@SlingandStoneVideos 2 жыл бұрын
The auto gate on your guests mics seems to be a little too high, try around 28.4 bd
@ilanagreen5371 2 жыл бұрын
This was so wholesome, thank you guys.
@Inharmonics 2 жыл бұрын
A really great conversation. I found the section on scarification (including the differences of emphasis and opinion) particularly helpful and illuminating. Thank you everyone involved!
@peterrossi3349 2 жыл бұрын
I found bethel in 2016 when my church changed the way had been doing church. My family lives in western Pennsylvania
@kennethstephens3953 2 жыл бұрын
Does God come to us on our terms? Do we come to God on His terms?
@Godsglory777 2 жыл бұрын
Well done men! You all defended your position well and still kept the brotherhood. 👏👍
@alphaome 2 жыл бұрын
One cannot even begin to understand what is the gospel without understanding the OT. The good news is The Messiah has come. Forgiveness, healing, being saved, etc is the result of the messiah who is The Good News. Took me a very, very very long time to understand that
@dandugo2020 9 ай бұрын
One cannot even begin to understand the old testament without having a proper Christological view of the old testament.
@tripletgirl2484 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know the name of the documentary about Bethel that was mentioned at the end of this video.
@swatsheriff 2 жыл бұрын
Send Proof is the name of it. I haven’t seen it yet, but I want to check it out.
@swatsheriff 2 жыл бұрын
Send Proof is the name of it. I haven’t seen it yet, but I want to check it out.
@IamGrimalkin 2 жыл бұрын
Although It's worth noting; Send Proof is not about Bethel. It's by Elijah Stephens, who goes to Bethel; and it does include the occasional Bethel interview, but it's mostly not about Bethel itself.
@robertkendall1037 2 жыл бұрын
Bottom line is this, if Bethel is preaching a false gospel, they will hear the words depart from me, I would not want to ever be anywhere near that position come the end of times. And if they are harming/leading any others astray, then there are millstones waiting for them. I don't go to Bethel but know what they teach and espouse. That is between them and God. I would never recommend anyone to go there but thats the case with many churches these days. Like my former pastor always said, It will all come out in the wash
@MorrisonJames 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know the guy in this video, but if he is part of the same Bethel as Bill Johnson? Then they preach the antichrist- black and white.
@Alex.Kalashnik 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you think they are preaching a false gospel?
@DocLarsen44 2 жыл бұрын
What he (Tom) said sounded like the "Gospel" to me. (I must say that there were some weird blank spots in the sound as he was speaking, but I cannot say that these blank sports had any effect on his statement as to what the meaning of the "Gospel" was.)
@TheTheologizingSubject 2 жыл бұрын
I like this guy. Appreciate the conversation.
@scottcamp9266 2 жыл бұрын
Great job❤️🙏🔥☝🏿
@Godsglory777 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with his definition of the gospel. I never thought I would say that about a bethel pastor.
@seanvann1747 2 жыл бұрын
@Josh Jillins I beleive Hebrews makes it clear why we don't continue to preach the "salvific" portion of the gospel over and over to the same group of people. Hebrews 6:1-2 [1]Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, [2]Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. We should be going on on to teaching and preaching the "strong meat" of the Word that we find in Hebrews 5:14 [14]But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Be blessed 🙌
@lindsaygraham9115 2 жыл бұрын
He’s been spot on with everything he’s said!!
@seanvann1747 2 жыл бұрын
@Josh Jillins Hebrews is to the beleiving Jews. Hebrews 3:1 [1]Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Be blessed 🙌
@seanvann1747 2 жыл бұрын
@Josh Jillins The author never is addressing non believers in Hebrews. It's always about believers. It's all a warning to continue in the faith Hebrews 6:4-6 [4]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 10:39 [39]But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Be blessed 🙌
@seanvann1747 2 жыл бұрын
@Josh Jillins Thanks for the advice 🙏 If you had 1 verse from Hebrews where the author makes it clear that he is addressing non believing Jews that be appreciated 👍 Here is a good breakdown of Hebrews 6:4-6 It might help clarify who the Author is addressing. Hebrews 6:4-6 New King James Version For it is impossible for those who were once ENLIGHTENED, and have TASTED the heavenly gift, and have become PARTAKERS of the Holy Spirit, and have TASTED the good word of God and the powers of the age to come if they FALL AWAY, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. ENLIGHTENED Cognate: 5461 phōtízō (from 5457 /phṓs, "light") - properly, enlighten; (figuratively) GOD SHARING HIS LIFE, EXPOSING AND OVERCOMING DARKNESS - like the ignorance (prejudice) caused by sin. See 5457 (phōs). TASTED Strong's Exhaustive Concordance eat, taste. A primary verb; to taste; by implication, to eat; figuratively, to experience (good or ill) -- eat, taste. 2. to taste, i. e. perceive the flavor of, partake of, enjoy: PARTAKERS 1096 gínomai - properly, to emerge, become, transitioning from one point (realm, condition) to another. 1096 (gínomai) fundamentally means "become" (becoming, became) so it is not an exact equivalent to the ordinary equative verb "to be" (is, was, will be) as with 1510 /eimí (1511 /eínai, 2258 /ēn). 1096 (ginomai) means "to become, and signifies a CHANGE OF CONDITION of condition, STATE or PLACE" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 109). FALL AWAY HELPS Word-studies 3895 parapíptō (from 3844 /pará, "from close-beside" and 4098 /píptō, "to fall") - properly, fall away, after being close-beside; to defect (abandon). 3895 /parapíptō ("fallen from a close position") REFERS TO A CLOSE-FOLLOWER OF CHRIST WHO BECOMES A DEFECTOR. IT SUGGESTS THAT THIS PERSON (at least at one time) WAS A BELIEVER (note the para). 3895 (parapíptō) is only used in Heb 6:6. 3895. parapiptó Strong's Exhaustive Concordance FALL AWAY From para and pipto; to fall aside, i.e. (figuratively) to apostatize -- fall away. Pray this is a blessing 🙌
@marisademore468 2 жыл бұрын
Mmm, yes, the quote in Matt 8:17 which quotes Isaiah and says Jesus carried our diseases was fulfilled PRIOR to His crucification so I don't understand how we can say physical healing is in the atonement when Matthew interpreted Isaiah a different way. Also if physical healing was in the atonement, surely we'd all be healed from every physical ailment the Instant we got saved, just the same as we were forgiven of all our sins, wouldn't we? Interesting, something I need to study more.
@JoshuaHughesWisconsin 2 жыл бұрын
Where Josh and Michael are speaking of the flesh//sin nature, I think that if the case can be made that if there is truly any nature of sinfulness for a Christian, than it is a dead nature, because the command of scripture is for that nature (old man) to be considered dead. Not to consider that it has any power, place, or influence in the Christian‘s life. To create such a place in the future, does not follow the scriptural example that we are given. The only thing that comes close in the NT… “for IF we sin have an advocate…” -1 John 2:1
@mattmsharp44 2 жыл бұрын
God is doing a transforming work in the heart of the believer and we are being conformed to the image of our Savior. Righteousness is imputed/credited through faith in Jesus Christ. It is not our righteousness. Christ lived the perfect life, therefore we are credited His righteousness. There is a transformation going on in our lives, but beloved to believe you live a moment of your life that somehow we don’t sin, we don’t understand sin. To say so we minimize sin, and we reckon God to be much less Holier than He is. I understand what this dude is saying because it is typical Pentecostal theology. It sounds good on the surface until it plays out in peoples boasting, and in a persons striving to live up to the standard of everyone else’s boasting… I believe Paul taught against it, in Galatians 3, but who am I?
@eprohoda 2 жыл бұрын
fellow!bonjournice to meet you~ how excellent !see u around-
@princekermit0 2 жыл бұрын
14:08 raises a good question. Healing on the street without giving the gospel message. I think it might be instructive to turn to the scriptures, and read what Peter did............ Acts 3:3-10 Modern English Version v3 Now Peter and John went up together to the temple at the ninth hour, the hour of prayer. v2 A man lame from birth was being carried, whom people placed daily at the gate of the temple called Beautiful to ask alms from those who entered the temple. v3 Seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple, he asked for alms. v4 Peter, gazing at him with John, said, “Look at us.” v5 So he paid attention to them, expecting to receive something from them. v6 Then Peter said, “I have no silver and gold, but I give you what I have. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.” v7 He took him by the right hand and raised him up. Immediately his feet and ankles were strengthened. v8 Jumping up, he stood and walked and entered the temple with them, walking and jumping and praising God. v9 All the people saw him walking and praising God. v10 They knew that it was he who sat for alms at the Beautiful Gate of the temple. And they were filled with wonder and amazement at what happened to him. Peter didn't share the Full Gospel Message in it's entirety with the beggar at the Temple gate, but did perform (through the power of the Holy Spirit) a miracle for someone.
@alexandermatthews7009 2 жыл бұрын
Please interview Andrew Wommack that would be so interesting!
@jamesfoureight9879 2 жыл бұрын
I never heard of this guy from Bethel, I really like him!
@joningram4187 2 жыл бұрын
Tom is tha bomb!!
@dandugo2020 9 ай бұрын
Ooooh, the problem with the sinner saved by grace mindeset is that you are sinning by faith instead of walking by the Spirit in faith.
@Godsglory777 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with his articulation of the curse/generational curses...never thought I would say that about a bethel pastor. It's good to know the Bible and have it in your heart instead of listening blindly by emotion. So far everything he has said up until his articulation of the curse, has been spot on according to the scriptures.
@lindsaygraham9115 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with him too!
@camgalloway691 2 жыл бұрын
Any chance the microphone going in and out will be fixed? It happens on a lot of videos
@Philagape 2 жыл бұрын
When discussing the flesh of a Christian, and the already-and-not-yet, go to 1 Corinthians 15, and see what's corruptible and when it becomes incorruptible. Go to Philippians 3:20-21, which says we're waiting for the transformation of our bodies, which will happen when Jesus returns. Go to 2 Corinthians 4:16, which says our outer man in wasting away while the inner man is being renewed.
@nanaylinda281 2 жыл бұрын
Watching host
@jcgsovereign 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus was born without sin 1 John 3:5 Jesus never sinned. 1 Peter 2:22 Jesus did not have an earthly father, yet had an earthly mother. Fully God Fully man. Conclusion, who does sin pass through? Jesus is the only way. Acts 4:12. JCGSovereign (all one word, no spaces)
@timothyross8985 2 жыл бұрын
Tom Crandall is friends with my friend Todd Dalton . This is cool you guys interviewed him. A nondenominational Pentecostal church in my city of Marion some of my family started is in the network that Bethel started. They our now apart of the Third Wave movement basically now funny is the church I am speaking of was started in the 50's is called Bethel. Martyn Lloyd Jones held Romans 7 was not Paul's state as a believer either. Note John Macarthur technically holds the Wesleyan view or the one nature view that Scoffield Bible teaches or use to in Romans. Note not saying I am all for everything in Bethel's circles. I live in the land of the Wesleyan movement in Marion, Indiana.
@timkennonjr.2079 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t help but let that word of faith theology come out. No doubt they know what to say when criticized.
@sacredscattered3901 2 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favorite interviews!
@jrodsmgz Жыл бұрын
Never seen a mic
@user-zv7ky2fk6b 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Awesome. The gospel of good news.
@gsixty1851 2 жыл бұрын
Michael’s mic isn’t working. His voice is being picked up on your mic Josh.
@trevordoeseverything219 2 жыл бұрын
Longest most complicated presentation of the gospel award goes to this guy…. For some one who evangelized to youth and random ppl on the street, you would think he would have a simple answer to the gospel that encapsulates the points…. You know like a real street evangelist like ray comfort……………. Sus
@margohetrick7199 2 жыл бұрын
A same kind of faith as ours by the righteous our God and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:1
@calebwipf9995 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who's ever actually watched a bethel service knows they preach the gospel very well, every Sunday. Great interview though.
@markshaneh 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard bill preach the gospel , he’s always trying to use mind bending wannabe spiritual concepts that for the most part don’t make clear sense.
@Godsglory777 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview, best one yet. Thanks brothers.
@Sanibel24 2 жыл бұрын
Oh dear. Experiences? Seeing what God does and who He is, in the Bible, is where our salvation should come from. Not anchored by experience and feelings. I’ve listened to bethel sermons so many times to see if my thoughts are wrong. I don’t hear the Gospel preached. Maybe I’ve missed the couple sermons a year where they throw it in. Not judging salvation but judging a church that really emphasizes experience and prophecy to sell tuition to go to their supernatural school.
@paulc7190 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with experience but we don't chase after it or idolise it. Its a byproduct of the gospel message
@krissymckee 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent conversation! Thank you for this.
@marisademore468 2 жыл бұрын
Where does the Bible teach that Christians can still be bound by generational curses? If that's what you mean I'll have to disagree. It says in Ephesians that Jesus became a curse for us when He hung on the cross. Since we die with Christ and are raised to life in Him at the new birth, we too are free from the curse of the law just the same as Jesus rose from death free from it and secured victory and salvation for all who believe.
@hadeswhereisyourvictory 2 жыл бұрын
You said out loud... "Sinless perfection is not heresy?" ... Wesley fell into this damnable heresy, and later on repented of it. How is it that you can be on this show as a "teacher " and say such things?
@earthwonders777 Жыл бұрын
The twisting of the truth of the gospel is very subtle in this conversation and presentation of the gospel... Identity gospel, under-emphasizing repentance of sin, misrepresenting now-and-not-yet theology, and still holding to "God wants to heal evryone". The Bethel gospel is truly a shallow gospel, not wanting to offend. Not all that this pastor said are totally false, but inaccuracies abound, and a lot of what should be emphasized remains missing from his explanation and presentation of the gospel.
@marisademore468 2 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. Why are you talking about our battle with the sin nature in the New Jerusalem? We'll have our new bodies then which won't have a sin nature, we'll be like Jesus when we see Him face to face so we won't be capable of sinning in the New Jerusalem. No need for an armour then, all evil will be gone. Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying 🤔
@jnh201182 2 жыл бұрын
No offense, BUT- is this really who Bethel has on the front lines as a theological representative of their ministry? The man acted surprised at the most base level any-Christian-ought-to-know fact that we are led astray by our own evil desires passage, which Michael brought out. He seems like he has some okay talking points for his view but you can tell he needs to brush up and adjust his theology in some areas in a big way.
@Simeonsdream Жыл бұрын
Roundtree, I love you bro but your exegesis of Rom 7 is off. Romans 8:9. See commentary of NICNT Moo who articulated this well. Misunderstanding Rom 7 has led to massive defeat in the church.
@stevengilliam3084 2 жыл бұрын
Love it! Great interview
@todaymedia7339 2 жыл бұрын
The microphone is so frustrating.
@tripletgirl2484 2 жыл бұрын
Good conversation guys!
@TheGermdog 2 жыл бұрын
Bethel leaders are brothers and sisters in Christ. They know the gospel. That’s not the problem. The problem seems to be who they let teach and the false teachings they add. I plead with them to hold fast ecclesiastically and theologically to scripture.
@AccessKelly 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Pastor Tom. Well done! I knew you and Leslie at Victory long ago. Fusion 7:17 :)
@saludanite 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it interesting that Jesus had this EXTENDED CONVERSATION with Nicodemus? Then Paul goes and writes this COMPREHENSIVE teaching to the church at Rome THAT HE HAS NEVER MET! And along comes the Reformers, and they want to boil each one of them down into what THEY THINK are their important parts. I have to ask; WHO do you people think you are? The very FIRST COMMAND that Jesus gave is in Mt. 4. You should READ IT!
@vanessaloy1049 Жыл бұрын
Can he explain how Bill Johnson’s teaching on divine healing line up with his wife Beni dying of cancer?
@Intersessor1 2 жыл бұрын
Would have been great to bring someone on the other side of the table to bring his side of the reformed non word of faith Gospel .
@anthonym.7653 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. While I don't agree with every single Bethel teaches, I always felt they preach the gospel.
@Robust2013 3 ай бұрын
This guy has a more biblical position than the hosts 🙃 The calvinist view of man has tainted their view of the new man in Christ
@markrobertsministries 2 жыл бұрын
The man is correct. Amazing
@promaster1351 2 жыл бұрын
this is the biblical gospel......................There is no need to guess what the “Gospel” is because the Bible plainly tells us . . . 1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.” There you have it, the GOSPEL is three things: (1) Jesus DIED on the cross for our sins. (2) Jesus was BURIED. (3) Jesus bodily RESURRECTED from the dead three days later. and when you accept the above by faith alone you are saved eternally
@leepresley353 2 жыл бұрын
Seems to be a sound guy with sound doctrine ... why on earth is he involved with that hot mess of a church???!!!!
@godsstruggler8783 2 жыл бұрын
It is as if "You do the Gospel stuff and we'll do the other stuff" - what concerns me is not that this man goes out into the world and preaches the Gospel, but that he will likely funnel converts into a fellowship that does not practice discernment in the slightest. Concerning their leader (Bill Johnson) advocating for Todd Bentley in his commissioning at Lakeland. I saw the fruit of that dirty anointing destroy my former fellowship. That man operated in the demonic and was also a brazen liar, yet Bill cannot possibly have bothered to test the spirits. The Holy Spirit permitted me to see darkness followed by judgement but I was not believed when delivering the warning to the leadership (not even my words were tested). The reason for this was because if Bill said that somebody is an anointed man of God then that was all the confirmation they needed. So if the leader lacks discernment, what will become of the congregation? If I was preaching the Gospel in Redding, I would prepare before going out by visiting numerous fellowships in the area so that any new convert could have an opportunity to be discipled. I would not recommend any fellowship that does not value discernment (therefore ALL the gifts of the Spirit) and would not recommend any fellowship that is cessationist. Not a place to blow up and not a place to dry up. I guess that it is getting increasingly harder to find such a place in these days.
@jessebartunek3195 2 жыл бұрын
He definitely has a little bit of word-faith stuff going on there.
@auntieanna 2 жыл бұрын
Death and life are in the power of the tongue.
@jessebartunek3195 2 жыл бұрын
@@auntieanna and...that doesn't mean that suddenly "The Secret" isn't idolatrous New Age heresy. Declarations are dangerous and avoiding speaking the truth even if it is bad news is even worse.
@jessebartunek3195 2 жыл бұрын
@@auntieanna Proverbs 18:21. Read it all. It is about gossip.
@auntieanna 2 жыл бұрын
It's not about gossip only - the proverbs are jumping all over the place. We all speak from the abundance of our heart ♡.
@jessebartunek3195 2 жыл бұрын
@@auntieanna it is true that there is something more to it than just gossip. But please be careful about taking thing out of context. Most of Proverbs 18 is concerning how we speak to each other and watching what is said, but one must take verse 21 out of context to make it sound like word-faith doctrine.
@MichaelThompson-qe2wg Жыл бұрын
He's not an evangelist wake up
@todaymedia7339 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Todd White - encounters for everyone!
@putontheseglasses8809 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Seer and God has shown me a lot about Bethel being a cult. I've been to churches affiliated with Bethel and my spiritual brother who's a prophet aslo had visited Bethel can confirm Bethel is a open door to the occult. The spirit in Bethel is the same spirit in the Vineyard church and the emergent Church. It's a mix of Catholicism and Pentecostalism. God showed me in a dream that them mixing is like the mixing of hot & cold making it lukewarm. I call it the lukewarm church. I don't see prophets speaking out against Bethel but I will.
@k9leadstheway531 2 жыл бұрын
Right lol!
@violetstrike1764 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for speaking up about Bethel.. I agree, and many of my friends agree.. it’s a cult! People are blinded thou
@ivythuo4526 2 жыл бұрын
@Josh Jillins 😂😂😂😂
@MorrisonJames 2 жыл бұрын
The Remnant Radio - WOW! Bethel, Christine Cain, Todd White and all the others. You guys are great. You both should be paid mega bucks as shepherds for the worldwide wolf movement. If you preach the cross is the Gospel - you are preaching the false gospel. The cross is the first coming / good news. Part of the Gospel. The Gospel is Christ came and HIS KINGDOM IS COMING.
@princekermit0 2 жыл бұрын
The Holy Cross was the Coronation, of the King of Kings. Even the sign said "King of the Jews" (but the reality is ALL AUTHORITY has been handed to the Lamb)
@MichaelThompson-qe2wg Жыл бұрын
Not gods evangelist
@RestoringReality 2 жыл бұрын
How is it possible for anyone who worships Paul in Jesus' name in vain to "explain" the gospel? You'll never be able to follow Paul and Jesus to the same place because they are clearly going in different directions. Talk about deceived!
@bye92 9 ай бұрын
Be careful of bethel church!
@IAmisMaster 2 жыл бұрын
The Reformed "gospel" is a false gospel invented in the 1500s. The Bible teaches Christ saves sinners from their sin through baptismal regeneration, and the Holy Spirit living inside them gives them grace to actually obey and be righteous just as Christ is righteous (Romans 8:4). Only those who persevere in good works by walking in the Holy Spirit and thereby defeating sin will be saved.
@EricGreniervideo 2 жыл бұрын
Wow nothing like promoting heresy.
@Kintizen 2 жыл бұрын
Baptist equates to Circumcision of the heart. Baptism is an act/evidence of Faith. Faith in God/Jesus, is how we get circumcised by the spirit.
@IAmisMaster 2 жыл бұрын
@Josh Jillins Yeah, we’re not saved by works of Mosaic law, but rather through our faithfulness to Christ and His law by God’s grace to stay faithful. Oh, you didn’t know Ephesians 2:8-9 was talking about works of Mosaic law? It literally tells you in verse 11 that’s what Paul is talking about in context. Next time read any early church writer on the topic and you may actually read the Bible in context and not repeat Luther and Calvin’s Scripture twisting.
@IAmisMaster 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kintizen The Bible says water baptism saves (1 Peter 3:21) and is when one normally is forgiven of sins and receives the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38). Next time try backing up your opinion with Scripture.
@IAmisMaster 2 жыл бұрын
@@EricGreniervideo Right, which is why I’m here to destroy the heretical work of the devil known as Reformed theology.
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