So many good @joschabachbits dropped in this interview. This is the best intro level interview to Joscha’s ideas since his first interview with Fridman. Great for sharing with friends/family 👍

​@@thomasmitchell2514oh! That sounds good!

Many such cases.

He has it’s called “Principles of Synthetic Intelligence” but be warned it is not for the non-technically inclined. You’d be better off having a computer science background to really understand what it’s about

​​@@DEBO5 also psychology background lol, or at least a dictionary with you

@@nickm.4274 yea I was stopping every 5 seconds to google the meaning of a word when I first picked it up lol

you ~can because "thinking" is learnable.. the brain is actually like a muscle and trainable (neuroplasticity) the reason that "deep thinking" seems such a rare (& done by "gifted" individuals, "geniuses" only.. "don't even try..." ) which is especially evident all over pop-culture etc.. is because most brains are fed with utter trash 24/7.. ..where thought processes and their habits are conditioned/cultivated on top of bio-psycho-social contradictions (sold as "normalcy") and is therefore continuously busy trying to cope/suppress to maintain basic functionality.

This really makes me feel great- so I will listen to that emotion and do more of that! Thank you for taking the time to say something so nice.

It’s all I could say!

Can you expand on the love is a ‘broken word’ part

@@raresmircea Hi

You tube is attempting to stop me from reaching you This is unwise

Love is a duality

It is a powerful “feeling” that surpasses understanding

I will take that feedback about the sound. I was so excited to publish it, I should have put more time into that. Thank you for the compliment- interviewing Joscha is an honor- I look forward to it for months!

The problem with it is that you get desensitized to comfort, and slowly but surely over months the perceived exerted effort of other tasks/duties starts to creep up very subtly. Wouldnt be suprised if it fries your dopamine receptors or at least highten inhibitory synapse signal molecules after prolonged use

THC makes boredom bearable and induces sloth. Be careful about using it a lot.

Weed turned me into a lazy unmotivated videogamer in my 30s. Thankfully I quit by 38, im 52 now & my friends that are still heavy potheads have the dullest lives (overweight, homebodies, few hobbies) Maybe they are content (?) but they have lost their motivation to do things & are simply dull; They lost their spark

@@siddg1463 Yes. It makes boredom bearable and induces sloth.

Nothing regular exercise and meditation cannot do better. Objectively you are just gradually dissolving into the abstract, but not that coherent. So basically you just kill parts of you that you are unable to integrate naturally.

…lex fridman? Bro is a dumbass and a foreign agent

Almost 🙊🙉🙈👀ツ ==> Hopefully ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Beautifully said

you can't he is the only one! 😬

That really means a lot to me. Thank you!

Thanks that makes me feel good! Can I ask what makes them different?

@@VanceCrowePodcast Not CCW6869, but I'm listening to this for the 3rd time and reading the commentary. My humble take is that 1. you give him the space to talk about the things he wants to talk about, meaning you're not dominating the discussion with narrow questions or interpretations or interruptions, and 2. and he feels comfortable opening up. This wouldn't work for everyone, but Joscha is perfectly capable of providing structure to his own discourse or thought train, so it really works here.

@@VanceCrowePodcast I like that he explain what he think about the religious structure, about our minds, drugs effects, autism, etc. Otherwise I think it's the calm and open atmosphere, just enought questions, but mostly time to let him expand on his perspectives that are unique.

@@alexforget I really value this feedback, thank you.

or he should at least edit the closed captioning so I can at least read the discourse

woah... that is interesting!

what did you like about it?

The outer mind chooses all your own actions. It’s been training your whole life for the role.

If you engineer a script for stability through the empire, the journey from purity to motherhood must have instruction and warning.

Marijuana thc to distract wildlife from the predators during a wildfire and become fertilizer.

Josha doesn't think much of him - he said so - Lex Fridman podcast I think

I hear this- it’s my mistake I apologize

How so?

Is there really such a thing as artifice?

What is called AI, is programmed Consciousness, in technical, digital, ways. A book is also programmed Consciousness, Frozen Memory, could be more or less intelligent. Even artificial, still got some relevance, there is often better or more correct words. That a 'canal' become a artificial river, and so on, is infected by the smart illiteracy, (AI) it just sound so smart. Superstition and Illiteracy is Low-intelligent. Our Eyes is organic, cameras-eyes is ceramic, mineral..

Well said 🙏

And Jesus the Essene led the way from Empires toward personal individual authenticity - and be damned! 😊

Take a break from weed and you'll probably notice that the reason you're cringing at your sober self is because your sober self was actually experiencing minor withdrawal effects and being cranky.

I enjoy both of them, but I wonder if JBP would create enough space for Joscha to lay out his thoughts...

In the case of the Bible it's a symbol. Are you willing to sacrifice even your child to truth and love? If yes, then you don't have to. Many mother cannot and thus they destroy their child by over protecting them, by shielding them from the harsh truths.

At the most interesting and salient moments to boot!

except he said it's cheeky and manipulative to pretend Mary was a virgin, which means you can never be a True Christian™(nor a True Muslim)

Christianity 4.0

@@DelandaBaudLacaniando you have a philosophy that underlies your life? I don’t mean this in an accusatory way.. just genuinely curious

@@etfacetimehome I don't have any specific philosophy, I just think everyone should have the leisure/idle time to be able to be educate themselves and be as thought-provoking as Joscha. German Idealism is interesting

@@DelandaBaudLacanian i agree.. Joscha sets the bar pretty high though haha

Maybe you listened and learned from the conversation preacher.

Then how come our lives became much better after the enlightenment…😅Result speaks louder.

@potatorekt7046 Ignorance is bliss, until it isn't.

@@seth956 You are just making claims which means nothing.

@potatorekt7046 Your claim that my claim doesn't mean anything, doesn't mean anything.

Curious, what does “mechanistic, reductionist” mean to you? And is it good/bad or true/false?

@@SB324Reductionistic is a derogatory term referring to the attitude of reducing aspects of reality to other aspects, usually abstractions. Reductionism is very useful and the modern world is built on it, but applied religiously leads to idiocy. I have encountered people telling me that animal suffering isn’t a real problem because suffering is just a meta attitude opposing pain which is _just_ negative reinforcement. Such people really exists and this one in particular, with which I talked about pain, followed Joscha Bach and probably that’s where he got some of his bewildering convictions from. I remained composed but whenever i remember the conversation i honestly wish he’s gonna somehow attract a whole lotta pain from the people around him, because he clearly wouldn’t mind the burns, cluster headaches, trigeminal neuralgia & complex regional pain syndrome, while those people around him would be relieved. But more importantly, he would stop distributing dangerous falsehoods around with perfect confidence. I’m actually not as far as it may seem from Bach’s worldview-i don’t believe in the existence of a self, i believe everything i experience is an internally constructed representation, the universe is causally closed, I’m not interested in "free-will" but if forced to give an answer to this (usually ill-defined) question I’d say we don’t have such a thing, etc, etc-but in the same time we’re worlds apart, because I believe Reality cannot be perfectly defined, measured & resolved through pure rationality (I’m on the same page with David Chapman’s "Meaningness" here). And I also think that even tho The Good & The Truth are in some ways like Yin & Yang, the whole thing (☯️) only has value because of The Good. This implies that The Truth only ever has any value when it’s put in the service of The Good. This means that even tho I agree with Bach that me, my wife & our kids are only appearances, biologically & culturally evolved representations running on quantum fields and maintained through numerous feedback loops between ourselves & our larger cultural milieu… I’d still think that if I’d ever see this "truth" instead of just seeing my wife & kids, I’d be literally insane. So whoever takes reductionism & rationality absolutely seriously is bound to idiocy. And this isn’t just a philosophical take, I also really have doubt in the reductionistic attitude. I mainly doubt that reductionism will ever be able to explain the "binding problem" away. But there are also smart people saying that you cannot even give reductionistic accounts to organisms (I’m agnostic here).

@@SB324 It is the idea in philosophy that everything is reducible to material and efficient causes, to matter and energy as understood in the 18th and 19th centuries. With the advent of field and quantum theory I think it is outdated.

@@morphixnmthanks. I’m partial to an information centric view, personally.

@@SB324 I would like to hear more about that: from you!

hes married and has a daughter

What do you think it was meant to mean?

why? u dont think ancient civilizations were smart enough to arrive at these theories? i think joscha says that Buddhism would say similar things about the mind. and is it not possible that the accepted interpretation of the text would change? haven't we seen massive changes within religions before? sure, the current standard interpretation makes sense to place as the start of the bible, but this does too, as he says, and you can make criticisms of the standard interpretation, for example of the water thing (which i cant recall precisely) that he mentioned.

He says right away that he is not a religious scholar, so don’t take his word for it, but if “as above, so below” and “as within, so without” why not “as before, so now?” In other words, he is mapping the meaning of the story of genesis onto our modern day understanding of technology and computation in such a way as to demonstrate the validity of the deep truth of the Bible. Joscha would not say that the writers of genesis were talking about circuit boards and transistors. What he would say is that both he and the writers of the Bible are talking about something else mutually. Bach is using his language, and the writers of the Bible are using theirs.

You should also keep in mind archaeologists and anthropologists are working with theories about our ancient history. Most people believe humans were much less intelligent even 3000 years ago, but this certainly isn't the case. Biology proves that next to nothing has changed in us since then. Given that, it isn't a reach to say Natufians may have been much more philosophical and introspective than we give them credit for. For example, scientists just discovered woodworking dating back nearly 500k years, before Homo sapiens even existed. This bitch slaps nearly every theory for our ancient humans and their capabilities.

@LoVeLoVe-bi2rq I think you're totally right, and I suspect Joscha thinks you're right too. I mean we can't know what the ancients were thinking, or even if they were all in agreement themselves, since its really a shared story created over time amongst a collective. But thinking about it in the way that Joscha has framed it seems to be useful, in that it opens the doors to new ways of understanding the mind an self. That's my take anyway.