Beyond Charvaka: An Indian Atheist's Perspective

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Жыл бұрын

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I explore atheism in India beyond the Charvaka philosophy in this deep-dive video. We delve into how our milieu - our social and intellectual environment - influences our identities, and why, despite being an atheist from India, I don't label myself a Charvaka. We'll take a look at how the advancements in our understanding of the universe and society shape the modern Indian atheist.
Referencing a previous discussion on 'Why I am not a Hindu Atheist', this video extends the dialogue, emphasising the fluid nature of identity molded by our experiences, learnings, and perspectives. Discover how contemporary science, philosophy, and ethics contribute to the identity of an Indian atheist in the 21st century.
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@vrshchoudhary7
@vrshchoudhary7 11 ай бұрын
It's not entirely fair to say that Charvaka's atheism had it easier than we do today. Remember, they were questioning the existence of God at a time when science wasn't as advanced as it is now and there wasn't much evidence to challenge the belief in a deity. Even Astravakr had a tough time, earning his father's scorn just for rejecting the Vedas. People who dared to question God back then probably had to overcome bigger hurdles than we do today. Back then, religion was deeply intertwined with every aspect of life, unlike today. To publicly express doubts about God in such an environment would have demanded remarkable intellectual bravery and insight. It's like saying we're smarter than Plato just because we can use a computer - it doesn't quite add up, right?
@atuldoiphode7237
@atuldoiphode7237 4 ай бұрын
I totally agree with you.
@atuldoiphode7237
@atuldoiphode7237 4 ай бұрын
I think today, it is much easier to explain everything as we are having science, now there is no extreme reaction for rejecting a god, as the atheist community is much larger now. But just imagine, at that time whole world was under influence of religion and it was very difficult to think against stream.
@manthan90
@manthan90 3 ай бұрын
Yeah Even I was thinking same also that society was much more violent as compared to today so the freedom of expression is much more difficult in those times were much harder to show and as far as societies goes even in that era there were kingdomes and the socities whose impact do used to show their effect on us.
@lautheimpaler4686
@lautheimpaler4686 2 ай бұрын
@@atuldoiphode7237 I don't think extreme reaction from the general public was a thing back then either.
@shivkumar0810
@shivkumar0810 Ай бұрын
Ashtavakra may have rejected vedas or i dont know. But he belived in consciousness and supreme consciousness. He said the same thing which later were said in gita. Edit: read ashtavakra gita, its really good. 300 verses only
@LukoseJoseph007
@LukoseJoseph007 Жыл бұрын
Excellent thought. I agree with your perspective. Also, the word Charvaka has been deceptively integrated into Hinduism, and proper atheists are better off without redundant and misrepresented titles.
@bhuvaneshs.k638
@bhuvaneshs.k638 10 ай бұрын
Not true though
@LukoseJoseph007
@LukoseJoseph007 10 ай бұрын
@@MK-lc7nf Atheist that comes from India is called Indian Atheist, similar to how you would call an atheist from America an American Atheist. It's not a title, it's an adjective. Charvaka philosophy is only known because of the evidences from historical sources that were not themselves Charvakas. We are still not clear on their philosophy and their peculiar vision of the world. So, instead of creating ambiguity, it is sufficient to use a descriptor that aptly tells someone who you are using the modern lingo. If you cannot clearly do that, and still call yourself Charvaka, you are wearing a sheep skin to hide who you are within. Once you get out of the sh*tholery called religion, you tell people you got out of that sh*thole by using words like ex-muslim, ex-christian, ex-hindu, etc. When you do that, you don't need to see if you previously believed in a single god, multiple gods, human-like god, cosmic god, air-particle god, or things like that. You are simply saying you don't subscribe to the line of thought when you say you are ex-hindu and want to stay away from the twisted tentacles of religions saying "we accept atheism, so you are a Hindu atheist".
@Wise-9
@Wise-9 3 ай бұрын
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@ankaralion
@ankaralion 10 күн бұрын
​@@shivkumar0810so, communists who are atheist also hindoo? 😂
@Gaurav_Bharali
@Gaurav_Bharali 4 ай бұрын
When I started becoming an atheist, I felt lost, helpless.. The reason is that all my life I was believing that there a superpower behind me that is protecting me, helping me.. But now it's only me, and that is really heartbreaking for me. Now there is no one to save me, except me. It would take some time for me to process and heal this.
@childhoodindoctrination9661
@childhoodindoctrination9661 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤ You are doing a great job vimoh.
@Anonymous-wj3ut
@Anonymous-wj3ut Жыл бұрын
He thinks out of box that's why I like his videos Few has guts to spit truth.👏
@carvakalokayata
@carvakalokayata Жыл бұрын
I agree with Vimoh also For a Hindu Bhakth kinda odd when He/She Claims and Talks about Charvaka with Literally Nothing but Just a Few Facebook Post and KZfaq videos on KZfaq Channels when they themselves would be Following all the Death Rituals etc 😅. Also Keep in mind Materialist Movements aur Ideas have Arisen Worldwide in Different Ways and Forms so Even more Naive of Bhakts to Think Atheism Started only in India as though. I highly recommend People to Explore Greek writers, Epicurus, Roman Writer Lucretius, Japanese Yamagata Banto etc etc so Will the Bhakts call them Hindus ? Materialist Atheist toh wo bhi the. In Modern Times Read Books by Lawrence Krauss, Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, Charles Darwin, Armin Navabi etc etc that would be the Best in Modern Times. Let Charvaka school be For Academic Research and Exploration.
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
No one says Indians invented atheism 😂.. we say compared to other nations of Abrahamic and other faiths, Indians considered them as person's with different ideas and we did debates for long ages. But still atheism is a 'belief' both western and Eastern philosophy (only considering the 'burden of proof' is 'more' on assertor than negator).
@ShivendraVerma
@ShivendraVerma 11 ай бұрын
​@@Pantheist2602we were first to thought about it yes india is the land which explored idea of God not existing and materialism way before anyone it is true
@goddalehundibharathraj4374
@goddalehundibharathraj4374 11 ай бұрын
​@@Pantheist2602indians had materialism much before they developed spirituality.
@shivkumar0810
@shivkumar0810 Ай бұрын
Dude. Charvaka as specifically charvaka by brihaspati is hindu athiest. I dont fukin care about other
@kalyanimookherji8834
@kalyanimookherji8834 Жыл бұрын
Clearly n succinctly presented points. In my journey from religious to spiritual and now atheist, i find a last stumbling block - physical pain, suffering. When i experience these in the context of illness, whether mine or loved ones, i fall back upon religion. Pl make a video addressing this, which i think is common to many.
@animeshb1238
@animeshb1238 Жыл бұрын
I don't think you should worry about falling back to religion from usual atheist self when faced with suffering. It is natural, just shows you are human after all. Whenever faced with extreme difficulties our mind tries to grasp whatever little straw of help possible to cope with that situation. That help can either be tangible like money or emotional like hope which leads to your mind praying to whichever gods you grew up knowing. So that's nothing to think much about. Just let your emotions flow a little in such situations. Also we should not be so rigid in our beliefs that we become slave to them whether being religious or athiest.
@yevodee4024
@yevodee4024 Жыл бұрын
@Kalyani Mookherji "Clearly n succinctly presented points. In my journey from religious [...] make a video addressing this, which i think is common to many." ======================================== I am a former practising Hindu; about 10 years ago I opened my eyes and smelled the coffee, and it led me to stop believing in unsubstantiated claims. I have been an atheist since that time. May I ask *_WHICH_* religion or 'belief-system' or 'god' you find yourself falling back on ?
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
I think you can go on spiritual path without believing in God or a religion. Read 'Waking up' by Sam Harris
@cb9461
@cb9461 Жыл бұрын
I share the same predicament.
@unknown9288
@unknown9288 11 ай бұрын
Very well explained 👍🏼👌🏼👏🏼❤️😊
@humanityfirst1417
@humanityfirst1417 Жыл бұрын
Awesome Explanation 🤓👍
@anukalgudi6216
@anukalgudi6216 Ай бұрын
You say you cant remove atheism from contemporary politics. But then say that secularism is the idea of removing religion or religiois ideology from politics. Can you explain these two?
@supreetsahu1964
@supreetsahu1964 Жыл бұрын
I think until sometime in 20th century, location was more impactful in one's thoughts than their time of living. But as communication became better and globalisation happened, time suddenly became more important. In the future, time will remain more important than location I think
@SriSashi
@SriSashi 10 ай бұрын
"Time is more accurate connector than space is ever going to be" 7:30 - A bit reductive as it seems to indicate that time and space are the only competing variables here. People, culture, age and even profession are important variables. Time has played an important role only in the last 2 decades. For my father & mother, space (and therefore the people around them, their language, culture and belief) were a much stronger influencer than time. And their influence on my life is the most significant component, unless I make a conscious attempt to break away. Unless you are an extreme rationalist who can never switch off your rational mind (even when enjoying music that stimulates emotions, however irrational), I think space still plays a big role. Emotionally, a charvaka from past might find more in common with a Hindu born in today's rural India, who is trying to breaking free from the superstitions/customs imposed on him/her by the immediate community. I believe, the logical foundations for both modern and ancient atheists are same. Only the amount of empirical evidence has increased substantially over centuries. My guess is that, if a charvaka from 600BC was brought to our times, his thrill would be comparable to the thrill a theoretical physicist would have when the predictions based on his theory are proven true by an experimental physicist. My guess is that there is something else deeper in you that makes you shun the charvaka identity.
@pappurajpagare1153
@pappurajpagare1153 Ай бұрын
Do you term Hardcore Atheist?
@PaleBlueDot0
@PaleBlueDot0 Жыл бұрын
Vimoh please make a video on Dhruv rathee new video on abhramic religion... he seems to promote the idea of god through it.
@shivkumar0810
@shivkumar0810 Ай бұрын
I see what you doing there. 😂.
@SACHINAESH
@SACHINAESH 10 ай бұрын
Beautiful thoughts
@tnverma_india
@tnverma_india 11 ай бұрын
But then by your logic even today’s religions are different than the original. Cuz the surrounding conditions of society have changed drastically. Changes happening in the arena of science and technology will not affect basic tenets of carvaka. The point of difference maybe that he didn’t even believe in inference as a source of knowledge but science does. On the basis of these epistemological differences you can claim the divergence but not solely on scientific advancement.
@sudipadhikari9752
@sudipadhikari9752 2 күн бұрын
But Charvaka was the pioneer of Atheism in not only India but may be for whole world.
@unknown9288
@unknown9288 11 ай бұрын
Sir, Can you kindly share the link of the video where you have share why and how you became religious to spritiual to Atheist. I will be very thankfull to you.
@vimoh
@vimoh 11 ай бұрын
See the live tab on thos channel
@unknown9288
@unknown9288 10 ай бұрын
@@vimoh Thanks
@icysaracen3054
@icysaracen3054 9 ай бұрын
It sounds very similar to Ancient Greek materialistic philosophy started by Democritus. That was 300 years after Charvaka. I wish Alexander the Great could have merged the schools.
@goddalehundibharathraj4374
@goddalehundibharathraj4374 11 ай бұрын
I prefer the term materialist/materialism ..
@souvikghosh5768
@souvikghosh5768 10 ай бұрын
I've the same Agatha Christie 50 book 😅 From your bookshelf
@AbhiMBalakrishnan
@AbhiMBalakrishnan 9 ай бұрын
I loved your take on time. It is amazing that a foreigner living at the same time as me would have more common things than my ancestor a thousand years ago. I always felt I did not belong in a specific ideology - like Charvaka, Theism, or Atheism. Now, when I look at these origins of ideologies from the lens of time, I see why. Ideas evolve. PS - This video seriously lacks a thing - Hans Zimmer's Inception/Interstellar soundtrack. Add that, and you have a masterpiece. (Personal opinion).
@vaibhavaher4244
@vaibhavaher4244 Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@kvs819
@kvs819 Жыл бұрын
I disagree on commonality of people of india and americans...yes we do follow more western things like gregorian calendar, english language, suit and tie etc. These are forced through western dominance and colonisation. But manh of the americans are very relegious and not how its shown in hollywood. They embrace their culture, food, ideologies, family structure etc. And they are very differeent from 21st century folks from asian or african countries.
@RR_theproahole
@RR_theproahole Жыл бұрын
Non religiosity is rising in the USA, you can see trends.
@kvs819
@kvs819 Жыл бұрын
@@RR_theproahole agree , covid exacerbated it. But it's still like 30% who dont go to church ...And about 10% who believe in atheism.
@Rolando_Cueva
@Rolando_Cueva Жыл бұрын
It's not forced anymore, y'all have accepted it. Even after independence. Why would you do this?
@rahulreddy6541
@rahulreddy6541 11 ай бұрын
​@@Rolando_Cuevaaccepted how? As if it was debated and rebuild from scratch. Our constitution is more of cut copy paste rather than build from scratch.
@tide7107
@tide7107 3 ай бұрын
The question was about commonality, you're just beating around the bush
@manthan90
@manthan90 3 ай бұрын
I don't think that it was easier for them as they lived in a society/era which was much more violent as well a feudal/agricultural society, also the religion played a huge role in day to day life and to reject the concept of god at that era will be much more difficult as law wnd order won't be as fair as it is today though even today it sucks but still it is better than the times of Charvaka.
@finestbat451
@finestbat451 Жыл бұрын
The quality of your videos and your subscriber count dont match up. I'm really shocked by how low it is.
@yevodee4024
@yevodee4024 Жыл бұрын
@FinestBat "The quality of your videos and your subscriber count dont match up. I'm really shocked by how low it is." ================================================= UNFORTUNATELY, the overwhelming majority of Indians are very religious... even though many will call themselves 'dharmists', which is a conveniently fuzzy terrm.
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
Nothing much .... he doesn't talk anything many people could philosophically agree with.
@THE_NEO_DAWN
@THE_NEO_DAWN 9 ай бұрын
Not only Charvaak but Samkhya Mimanasa and Naya (not NAV NAYA) darasan they too are atheist darsana
@GloomyGlue
@GloomyGlue Ай бұрын
Simply disbelief in god is not modern Atheism. Mimansa, samkhya and naya used to agree with the idea of aatman I don't think any of the Atheist would agree with this idea. God can have several definations and somehow the idea of aatman makes another description of god. Simply rejecting an omnipotent and omniscient god is not atheism at all. Even Charvaks would not be called as modern Atheism because they are more about materialism.
@thomsonthomas517
@thomsonthomas517 Жыл бұрын
Do we need to make things complicated.. Atheist means not a theist. End of story. If you do not have a theistic imagination to satisfy then you are an atheist. Funny enough every theist is an atheist towards other imaginations. Maybe charvaka represented not a theist philosophy sometime back, today they got a new name and tomorrow the name would be different. The properties and shades of theism also have changed with time. Same thoughts could be applicable there as well.
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
You imagine things shouldn't get complicated.. but always it does.
@abhishekraj8055
@abhishekraj8055 9 ай бұрын
Do you sleep on that bed?
@sourabhmookherjee4218
@sourabhmookherjee4218 Жыл бұрын
We know almost nothing about the Carvakas. One cannot even know whether they were truly atheist.
@bhuvaneshs.k638
@bhuvaneshs.k638 11 ай бұрын
They were materialists and nastiks This we know
@shivkumar0810
@shivkumar0810 Ай бұрын
You should read them
@sourabhmookherjee4218
@sourabhmookherjee4218 Ай бұрын
@@shivkumar0810 where do we have texts written by the Caravakas?
@shivkumar0810
@shivkumar0810 Ай бұрын
@@sourabhmookherjee4218 jain text, hindu text brihaspti somethin
@arhturlegend007
@arhturlegend007 9 ай бұрын
👌👌👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@Vedika.ticku567
@Vedika.ticku567 Жыл бұрын
Bro Why India is not developed like china although we are democracy and china is dictatorship. Do you think India is next China? Will india grow rapidly in next 10 to 20 years. When will India's GDP per capita Rise? I want to see India as a developed country before I die, I am 17 year old am lucky I hope I will live till 22nd century and live as a citizen of modern developed India
@vimoh
@vimoh Жыл бұрын
My definition of a developed country is one where everyone has free healthcare and education. It's got nothing to do with GDP.
@soldier.proud-234
@soldier.proud-234 Жыл бұрын
For that We as an Indians has to do a lot of hardwork instead of getting pleasures from the stats these foreign power shows... This century will be of Indians blah blah... Yes We will be Second in GDP but with the people living a miserable life? Think about it... What Foreigners talk about is Growth... We need a development... Yes Those who want to follow religion, let them do... There may be criticizers but I just wanna say that Let Religious people believe in their philosophy and a different from those, Atheists should be respected! We are one nation... Atheism looks good...
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
​@@vimohthen no country is developed in this world. Vimoh and his definitions Smh
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
​@@soldier.proud-234atheism only 'looks good'..
@rutvikrs
@rutvikrs 10 ай бұрын
​@@Pantheist2602Sri Lanka rejected my PR and quoted India's HDI per capita metrics as the reason. 😢
@sahebmolla659
@sahebmolla659 8 ай бұрын
I m an agnostic. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
@user-gv3qt6sy7y
@user-gv3qt6sy7y 6 ай бұрын
Basically u r confused theist😅😂
@himanshuadhinayak
@himanshuadhinayak 4 ай бұрын
​​​@@user-gv3qt6sy7yNo babes, For him to be a theist it's required to believe in the God. A confused theist would be one who believes in God but isn't quite sure which god he believes in. In fact all the theists are confused atheists because they don't really know about the God and their beliefs keep changing over time, for example muslims don't believe God created the earth flat anymore. Christians don't believe God created the world in six days anymore.Hindus don't believe earth rests on snakehead or elephants. So basically all the religious theists are confused people who actually are atheists. LoL.
@ARYANJEE-uu3qe
@ARYANJEE-uu3qe 3 ай бұрын
Agnostics just sound dumb i am sorry
@shivkumar0810
@shivkumar0810 Ай бұрын
Rational being accepts whats is evident. I would call athiest blind for not taking a theory. Atleast agnost have no belief. But athiest have, that there is no god. ​@@user-gv3qt6sy7y
@pseudonym9215
@pseudonym9215 Жыл бұрын
So Charvaka 2.0
@bhuvaneshs.k638
@bhuvaneshs.k638 11 ай бұрын
After watching this i believe im more Charvaka than ever before as i believe indian philosophies r malleable & mutable. And i definitely dont wanna relate myself with new age militant atheist (which i used to be part of before)
@vickeykooper2674
@vickeykooper2674 Жыл бұрын
Man that's too much....just justification....
@MamtaHarpali
@MamtaHarpali 6 күн бұрын
हिंदी मध्ये पण बोला आम्हालाही समजून घ्यायचे आहे .
@AyushKumar-fo5yu
@AyushKumar-fo5yu Жыл бұрын
A perfect ambedkarite description
@hiruzenmonofuke7344
@hiruzenmonofuke7344 7 ай бұрын
Nah, go read his works.
@suraj8092
@suraj8092 3 ай бұрын
Buddha's path is the only path
@AyushKumar-fo5yu
@AyushKumar-fo5yu 3 ай бұрын
@@suraj8092 N[ot the buddha appropiated by ambedkar
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
Funny you call yourself an 'Indian' and say it's inappropriate to call you carvaka. The lack of commonality in lifestyle doesn't affect a person much on a cultural/philosophical basis. Just say you're a postmodernist who feels everything is great only in West.
@vimoh
@vimoh Жыл бұрын
You don't knowwhat postmodernism means.
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
​​​@@vimoh .. you're saying about two distinct usages in my comment. But postmodernist and western are literally different and I do know it. But taking in Indian perspective why considering ancient Indian developments as unimportant, when it really shows we had a diplomatic way of considering things. Western developments will always be western, no matter if it's Christian or atheistic. You do speak of taking atheism as a political drive, so why not respect the fact that Indians had a history of pragmatism and rationality?
@SuprmeLordAssociation
@SuprmeLordAssociation 2 күн бұрын
Exactly 😂
@unknown9288
@unknown9288 10 ай бұрын
Vimoh, your voice and accent both Hindi and English. 👌🏼👍🏼🫶❤️😊.
@suryakant1112
@suryakant1112 4 ай бұрын
I prefer to call myself लोकायत... Instead of चार्वाक
@mihirpingle5067
@mihirpingle5067 10 ай бұрын
I think this militant atheism is similar to all Abrahamic religions. Charvaka philosophy sounds more attractive to me because it doesn’t try to propagate and assert its thoughts on others. Similar to western religions the western atheism also does prosthlytisation.
@studywithme-dh8iu
@studywithme-dh8iu 9 күн бұрын
Ok I understand you are a rightist person
@mihirpingle5067
@mihirpingle5067 9 күн бұрын
@@studywithme-dh8iu what is the correlation here? And why does it even matter. This statement doesn’t add anything to the conversation. Are you that guy who wants to make everything political?
@aishwarykalosia7129
@aishwarykalosia7129 Жыл бұрын
Hindu nationalist advised to me read charvaka....they thinks this is some sort of Hindu atheist thing 😅
@sushantshekhar001
@sushantshekhar001 Жыл бұрын
Did you ask them (and I hope you got a good answer) on where to read about Charvakas?
@basantprasadsgarden8365
@basantprasadsgarden8365 Жыл бұрын
Ignorance and Arrogance are the ornaments of Hindu Nationalists
@RR_theproahole
@RR_theproahole Жыл бұрын
You can't read anything BY the Charvakas. All you get about them is some rivals finding holes in their philosophy and a high degree of misrepresentation may be there.
@basantprasadsgarden8365
@basantprasadsgarden8365 Жыл бұрын
@@RR_theproahole because, all the works by Charvaks have been Destroyed by the Ancestors of Bhagwa Goon. What's left, is just Puranic Propaganda against them .
@bhuvaneshs.k638
@bhuvaneshs.k638 11 ай бұрын
​@@sushantshekhar001u can check kushal mehra Charvaka podcast He has done whole documentation indepth on various topics related to this
@rohaansahu2924
@rohaansahu2924 Жыл бұрын
Why an 'Indian Athiest' and not a '21st century Athiest' then?
@vimoh
@vimoh Жыл бұрын
India does that. It is a 21st century phenomenon. It encapsulates the conditions I am working under.
@swagatochatterjee7104
@swagatochatterjee7104 11 ай бұрын
​@@vimoh here is an issue with your argument. I am literally a proud atheist. However, discounting Charvak is like discounting Ram Mohan Roy. Sure the sociopolitical conditions were not the same, but it is the tradition of thought that binds us. We couldn't build communities and follow these traditions without interruptions because we were persecuted. So why not accept that we are continuing the tradition? You couldn't refer to any example in this video where you could point to instances of Charvak tradition that we Indian Atheists have a problem with. Rather I can literally see similarities, where the pressure of persecution is still upon us, be it from a monarch or from the masses of a democratic republic. Hence, when some NRI Uncle tries to force us to say we are Charvak and we are religious, we should be open to point out to the fact that Vendanta tradition hated the Charvaks and hence they were prosecuted for their infidelity over giving up on the identity. Your argument kind of sounded like "I'm not a feminist, but I support equality amongst genders".
@vimoh
@vimoh 11 ай бұрын
If charvaks didn't exist, atheists could still exist. That's all.
@dad-ms8mz
@dad-ms8mz Күн бұрын
Ur life tells me not be one.
@metalman4393
@metalman4393 2 ай бұрын
Would it be fair to call you a Neo-Charvaka?
@Pantheist2602
@Pantheist2602 Жыл бұрын
Lol you saying we're much advanced than carvakas were yet you guys use the same old philosophical arguments against the existence of God 😂
@vimoh
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